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Dave Attel Lovers Of Unclean Women 0	Posted - 2014.03.02 23:45:00 - [1] - Quote Specially being in caldari fw. I can now consistently make make over 5b a week in fw, mind you this is with casual gaming 1-2 hours a day. If you are after isk then fw is the best choice. It is not secret, fw is the best isk faucet at the moment
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 489	Posted - 2014.03.02 23:47:00 - [2] - Quote IB4L, lack of content. If you want to poke fingers at Gallente, there's already a thread for that in W&T. eve-bazaar - I'm not associated with them, but support it as a worthwhile service
MatrixSkye Mk2 Republic University Minmatar Republic 760	Posted - 2014.03.02 23:48:00 - [3] - Quote Posting in a stealth-but-not-so-stealth-nerf-FW thread.
Thead Enco Killing is Business Get Off My Lawn 96	Posted - 2014.03.02 23:50:00 - [4] - Quote Dave Attel wrote: Specially being in caldari fw. I can now consistently make make over 5b a week in fw. If you are after isk then fw is the best choice. It is not secret, fw is the best isk faucet at the moment Wasn't that the point? "Any man who must say 'I am the king' is no true king." Tywin Lannister-á
Zack Korth The Scope Gallente Federation 290	Posted - 2014.03.03 00:49:00 - [5] - Quote gallente FW is terrible right now, most people would have more fun sticking the mouse up their ass
Anonymous Player Alt Shift Q 3	Posted - 2014.03.03 01:11:00 - [6] - Quote Zack Korth wrote: gallente FW is terrible right now, most people would have more fun sticking the mouse up their ass I'm guessing you have tried both? Which did you enjoy more?
Qweasdy Justified Chaos 82	Posted - 2014.03.03 01:31:00 - [7] - Quote Dave Attel wrote: Specially being in caldari fw. I can now consistently make make over 5b a week in fw, mind you this is with casual gaming 1-2 hours a day. If you are after isk then fw is the best choice. It is not secret, fw is the best isk faucet at the moment I don't think isk faucet means what you think it does. This is a terrible thread. As such, it's locked. - CCP Falcon
Katran Luftschreck Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps 2342	Posted - 2014.03.03 01:33:00 - [8] - Quote I often get the impression that the people making money off Caldari FW today are the exact same people making money off Minmatar FW before... I wonder what next month's flavor will be? So basically you've got, like, maybe 5-10% of FW people actually playing FW and the remainder are LP leechers who just bot-plex for the already winning side for ISK. Which means that the actual FW players are just wasting their time, because the real FW game is being ruled by unstoppable hordes of fickle mercenaries that are only in it for the free ISK and who's loyalties are non-existent. None of which surprises anyone. The only question is: Did CCP honestly believe that this is not exactly what would end up happening? You cannot bait the EvE playerbase into doing anything that they don't want to, and what they obviously want is to make lots of ISK with zero risk. In hisec we call it, well, hisec. In nullsec we call it "blue donut" and in FW well call them plexers. I think the only people still taking any risks in this game are the losec pirates and the WH dwellers: The former because they actually enjoy doing something other than watching the number on their wallet move upwards, and the latter because the ISK is just too insanely high to pass up. Nullsec in a Nutshell: http://nedroid.com/comics/2006-08-24-2155-arrrdino.gif
masternerdguy State Protectorate Caldari State 1406	Posted - 2014.03.03 01:45:00 - [9] - Quote Katran Luftschreck wrote: I often get the impression that the people making money off Caldari FW today are the exact same people making money off Minmatar FW before... I wonder what next month's flavor will be? So basically you've got, like, maybe 5-10% of FW people actually playing FW and the remainder are LP leechers who just bot-plex for the already winning side for ISK. Which means that the actual FW players are just wasting their time, because the real FW game is being ruled by unstoppable hordes of fickle mercenaries that are only in it for the free ISK and who's loyalties are non-existent. None of which surprises anyone. The only question is: Did CCP honestly believe that this is not exactly what would end up happening? You cannot bait the EvE playerbase into doing anything that they don't want to, and what they obviously want is to make lots of ISK with zero risk. In hisec we call it, well, hisec. In nullsec we call it "blue donut" and in FW well call them plexers. I think the only people still taking any risks in this game are the losec pirates and the WH dwellers: The former because they actually enjoy doing something other than watching the number on their wallet move upwards, and the latter because the ISK is just too insanely high to pass up. What do you expect from a PVE mechanic that lets you complete sites in a triple warp stabbed frigate with an AB? Things are only impossible until they are not.
Sabriz Adoudel Mission BLITZ 2161	Posted - 2014.03.03 01:46:00 - [10] - Quote Zack Korth wrote: gallente FW is terrible right now, most people would have more fun sticking the mouse up their ass Mouse as in rodent, or as in desktop computer peripheral? Actually both sound better than FW to me. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=318489 - Proposal for a new type of tech 2 Destroyer If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com.
Felicity Love Caldari Provisions Caldari State 1559	Posted - 2014.03.03 01:57:00 - [11] - Quote Zack Korth wrote: gallente FW is terrible right now, most people would have more fun sticking the mouse up their ass Armageddon ! ARMAGEDDON ! ... and I was just saying the other day, "Damn, I miss Soundwave"....
Manny Moons Improvised Explosions 189	Posted - 2014.03.03 02:18:00 - [12] - Quote Felicity Love wrote: Armageddon ! ARMAGEDDON ! Please tell me that was NOT a wireless mouse...
Brylan Grey The Scope Gallente Federation 11	Posted - 2014.03.03 06:41:00 - [13] - Quote I don't do FW, but I think it's good. Makes the hi sec people risk low sec. So, they honestly deserve the rewards for being our chew toys.
Zack Korth The Scope Gallente Federation 292	Posted - 2014.03.03 09:42:00 - [14] - Quote Anonymous Player wrote: Zack Korth wrote: gallente FW is terrible right now, most people would have more fun sticking the mouse up their ass I'm guessing you have tried both? Which did you enjoy more? your mom, i enjoyed your mom more
Lord LazyGhost The Bastards The Bastards. 308	Posted - 2014.03.03 09:52:00 - [15] - Quote Brylan Grey wrote: I don't do FW, but I think it's good. Makes the hi sec people risk low sec. So, they honestly deserve the rewards for being our chew toys. risk low sec funniest thing i ever heard.. venture plus wabstabs plus cloak plus AB = insane amounts of profit
March rabbit Federal Defense Union 1300	Posted - 2014.03.03 10:17:00 - [16] - Quote Lord LazyGhost wrote: Brylan Grey wrote: I don't do FW, but I think it's good. Makes the hi sec people risk low sec. So, they honestly deserve the rewards for being our chew toys. risk low sec funniest thing i ever heard.. venture plus wabstabs plus cloak plus AB = insane amounts of profit well. truth be told thanks to FW i got lots of solo kills and lots of ISK lately. And i've seen people who makes LOTS of ISK killing farmers (for example: Endeva) You even don't need to visit low-sec to make money out of FW. Thanks to CalMil! The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Muestereate Minions LLC 181	Posted - 2014.03.03 10:37:00 - [17] - Quote Posting in a Caldari module price manipulation thread.
Aelisha Achura-Waschi Exchange Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group 334	Posted - 2014.03.03 10:45:00 - [18] - Quote Dave Attel wrote: Specially being in caldari fw. I can now consistently make make over 5b a week in fw, mind you this is with casual gaming 1-2 hours a day. If you are after ISK then fw is the best choice. It is not secret, FW is the best ISK faucet at the moment The only ISK faucet in FW is the mission ISK reward, which is comparable with other mission ISK rewards. I think you meant to say 'FW is the best way to generate ISK sinking fiat currency that may be exchanged for items of appreciable ISK worth (under prevailing market conditions)'. Faction warfare injects a negligible amount of ISK into the market, if any, after the costs of LP to item exchange have been taken into account. Your 5,000,000,000 ISK came from other people's wallets. CEO of the Achura-Waschi Exchange: An International trade corporation that adheres to State values Intaki born State Citizen and supporter of the Practicals Bloc.
Caviar Liberta Moira. Villore Accords 464	Posted - 2014.03.03 16:08:00 - [19] - Quote Zack Korth wrote: gallente FW is terrible right now, most people would have more fun sticking the mouse up their ass We are still having fun making ships explode.
djentropy Ovaert Crazy Bird Inc. The Fire Nation Syndicate 157	Posted - 2014.03.03 16:45:00 - [20] - Quote Dave Attel wrote: Specially being in caldari fw. I can now consistently make make over 5b a week in fw, mind you this is with casual gaming 1-2 hours a day. If you are after isk then fw is the best choice. It is not secret, fw is the best isk faucet at the moment 1-2 hours a day in FW for 5 billion a week? Bull. Your math does not add up. Caldari militia has been at Tier 1 almost all of last week, but just for fun - let's assume tier 2 payouts. That's 30000 LP for capturing a LARGE plex, which you are doubtfully doing (as there is no acceleration gate and you will be stomped on without a decent fleet). So, 20 mins to capture a large PLEX in a perfect world - that's three plexes a hour for 90,000 LP. You do this for 2 hours a day, so let's call that 180,000 LP. (this does not even count time between plexes, and assumes you can find a virgin large plex in every single system you visit and are never chased out or having to share your LP with friendly forces - in reality if you could manage a single large PLEX a hour you would be doing pretty good) 180,000LP = at best, a return of about 250million after buidling factional ships from the LP store and selling them off. 250mil x 7 days a week = 1.75 billion. My point being, you are not making 5billion a week by casually doing FW 1-2 hours a day. Pics / Wallet API or it never happened.
AnotherUseless Alt Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 19	Posted - 2014.03.03 18:07:00 - [21] - Quote Dave Attel wrote: Specially being in caldari fw. I can now consistently make make over 5b a week in fw, mind you this is with casual gaming 1-2 hours a day. If you are after isk then fw is the best choice. It is not secret, fw is the best isk faucet at the moment IBFTR that he's claiming he makes 750 an hour... Just how many little epeens do we have in this game? "Self help is all in your head"
Sentamon Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 1483	Posted - 2014.03.03 18:11:00 - [22] - Quote I made 5 Bil reading this thread. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~
Pew Terror Green Associates 100	Posted - 2014.03.03 18:51:00 - [23] - Quote How can people brag about flying around doing boring missions, while other people are out pewing ships while in FW? It's like standing at your local pub proudly proclaiming you get 10 bucks an hour for getting kicked in the balls repeatedly by the local rugby club.
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 4380	Posted - 2014.03.03 18:56:00 - [24] - Quote MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote: Posting in a stealth-but-not-so-stealth-nerf-FW thread. It's a stealth version of a stealth thread. All this passive-aggressive "The View" show styled double speak innuendo crap is going to wreck civilization - or maybe is already has. Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Yang Aurilen Summary Executions Test Alliance Please Ignore 45	Posted - 2014.03.03 19:03:00 - [25] - Quote djentropy Ovaert wrote: Dave Attel wrote: Specially being in caldari fw. I can now consistently make make over 5b a week in fw, mind you this is with casual gaming 1-2 hours a day. If you are after isk then fw is the best choice. It is not secret, fw is the best isk faucet at the moment 1-2 hours a day in FW for 5 billion a week? Bull. Your math does not add up. Caldari militia has been at Tier 1 almost all of last week, but just for fun - let's assume tier 2 payouts. That's 30000 LP for capturing a LARGE plex, which you are doubtfully doing (as there is no acceleration gate and you will be stomped on without a decent fleet). So, 20 mins to capture a large PLEX in a perfect world - that's three plexes a hour for 90,000 LP. You do this for 2 hours a day, so let's call that 180,000 LP. (this does not even count time between plexes, and assumes you can find a virgin large plex in every single system you visit and are never chased out or having to share your LP with friendly forces - in reality if you could manage a single large PLEX a hour you would be doing pretty good) 180,000LP = at best, a return of about 250million after buidling factional ships from the LP store and selling them off. 250mil x 7 days a week = 1.75 billion. My point being, you are not making 5billion a week by casually doing FW 1-2 hours a day. Pics / Wallet API or it never happened. Well there are missions you can chain around. Lot's of L4 FW missions.
Winchester Steele 355	Posted - 2014.03.03 19:04:00 - [26] - Quote Katran Luftschreck wrote: I often get the impression that the people making money off Caldari FW today are the exact same people making money off Minmatar FW before... I wonder what next month's flavor will be? So basically you've got, like, maybe 5-10% of FW people actually playing FW and the remainder are LP leechers who just bot-plex for the already winning side for ISK. Which means that the actual FW players are just wasting their time, because the real FW game is being ruled by unstoppable hordes of fickle mercenaries that are only in it for the free ISK and who's loyalties are non-existent. None of which surprises anyone. The only question is: Did CCP honestly believe that this is not exactly what would end up happening? You cannot bait the EvE playerbase into doing anything that they don't want to, and what they obviously want is to make lots of ISK with zero risk. In hisec we call it, well, hisec. In nullsec we call it "blue donut" and in FW well call them plexers. I think the only people still taking any risks in this game are the losec pirates and the WH dwellers: The former because they actually enjoy doing something other than watching the number on their wallet move upwards, and the latter because the ISK is just too insanely high to pass up. I never thought I'd see the day, but I mostly agree with this post. ...
Doireen Kaundur 98	Posted - 2014.03.03 19:37:00 - [27] - Quote I went thought htis thread and learned about mice up asses, but still have no idea what FW is? Minimizing the cost of replacing implants.
Caviar Liberta Moira. Villore Accords 465	Posted - 2014.03.03 20:03:00 - [28] - Quote Qweasdy wrote: Dave Attel wrote: Specially being in caldari fw. I can now consistently make make over 5b a week in fw, mind you this is with casual gaming 1-2 hours a day. If you are after isk then fw is the best choice. It is not secret, fw is the best isk faucet at the moment I don't think isk faucet means what you think it does. That would be correct. Earning LP is an isk transfer from 1 player to another. Running missions or a complex doesn't actually inject isk directly.
Zack Korth The Scope Gallente Federation 292	Posted - 2014.03.03 20:08:00 - [29] - Quote Caviar Liberta wrote: Zack Korth wrote: gallente FW is terrible right now, most people would have more fun sticking the mouse up their ass We are still having fun making ships explode. oh thats cool, when i joined i spent a couple days saying "fleets?", there were 0, and no one was interested in joining one or doing anything at all, oh yeah it was great fun all right.
AnotherUseless Alt Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 19	Posted - 2014.03.03 20:45:00 - [30] - Quote Katran Luftschreck wrote: I often get the impression that the people making money off Caldari FW today are the exact same people making money off Minmatar FW before... I wonder what next month's flavor will be? So basically you've got, like, maybe 5-10% of FW people actually playing FW and the remainder are LP leechers who just bot-plex for the already winning side for ISK. Which means that the actual FW players are just wasting their time, because the real FW game is being ruled by unstoppable hordes of fickle mercenaries that are only in it for the free ISK and who's loyalties are non-existent. None of which surprises anyone. The only question is: Did CCP honestly believe that this is not exactly what would end up happening? You cannot bait the EvE playerbase into doing anything that they don't want to, and what they obviously want is to make lots of ISK with zero risk. In hisec we call it, well, hisec. In nullsec we call it "blue donut" and in FW well call them plexers. I think the only people still taking any risks in this game are the losec pirates and the WH dwellers: The former because they actually enjoy doing something other than watching the number on their wallet move upwards, and the latter because the ISK is just too insanely high to pass up. Anyone that want's to make isk plays both sides. You leech on both sides, get easy intel on hostile movements and you simply bank it until the right time to cash in. You continue accumulating isk and LP on both sides, that gives you the optimum cash in possibilities. Only the noobs and a hardened core of RPer's actually play faction warfare for the pew. "Self help is all in your head"
Knights Armament TDSIN Application Sent 214	Posted - 2014.03.03 20:54:00 - [31] - Quote Katran Luftschreck wrote: I often get the impression that the people making money off Caldari FW today are the exact same people making money off Minmatar FW before... I wonder what next month's flavor will be? So basically you've got, like, maybe 5-10% of FW people actually playing FW and the remainder are LP leechers who just bot-plex for the already winning side for ISK. Which means that the actual FW players are just wasting their time, because the real FW game is being ruled by unstoppable hordes of fickle mercenaries that are only in it for the free ISK and who's loyalties are non-existent. None of which surprises anyone. The only question is: Did CCP honestly believe that this is not exactly what would end up happening? You cannot bait the EvE playerbase into doing anything that they don't want to, and what they obviously want is to make lots of ISK with zero risk. In hisec we call it, well, hisec. In nullsec we call it "blue donut" and in FW well call them plexers. I think the only people still taking any risks in this game are the losec pirates and the WH dwellers: The former because they actually enjoy doing something other than watching the number on their wallet move upwards, and the latter because the ISK is just too insanely high to pass up. edgy I have 3 accounts to purchase plex for, I am a student with very little money or job prospects, so paying for eve online is out of the question unless I ask grandma not to buy diabetic medication that month. Being able to make isk is important if I want to continue playing the game, so every month I need close to 2 billion isk to buy plex. I guess after I make the isk to pay for my accounts, I have time to lose tons of isk throwing ships at pirates like some kind of mongoloid ****** masochist. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZOdADD5RNs&feature=youtu.be http://evemouthbreathers.blogspot.com/ https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=29554516-05f9-4eca-a942-32e1701a6569&action=buddy
Doireen Kaundur 99	Posted - 2014.03.03 22:12:00 - [32] - Quote Doireen Kaundur wrote: I went thought this thread and learned about mice up asses, but still have no idea what FW is? anyone? Minimizing the cost of replacing implants.
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 4383	Posted - 2014.03.03 22:51:00 - [33] - Quote Doireen Kaundur wrote: Doireen Kaundur wrote: I went thought this thread and learned about mice up asses, but still have no idea what FW is? anyone? Well we have to decide which is worse (for the mouse anyway) before we proceed. Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Barbara Nichole Cryogenic Consultancy 522	Posted - 2014.03.03 23:09:00 - [34] - Quote Dave Attel wrote: Specially being in caldari fw. I can now consistently make make over 5b a week in fw, mind you this is with casual gaming 1-2 hours a day. If you are after isk then fw is the best choice. It is not secret, fw is the best isk faucet at the moment you are going to have to be more specific if you want me to believe you at all. -á-á- remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not-á "afk" cloaking-á- [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/consultsig.jpg[/IMG]
Plug in Baby Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber 148	Posted - 2014.03.03 23:21:00 - [35] - Quote Dave Attel wrote: fw is the best isk faucet at the moment FW is an ISK sink. Most LP is cashed out removing 1k ISK per LP from the economy, this is less than the ISK introduced from mission rewards + time bonuses. This is not a forum alt, this is a forum main.
djentropy Ovaert Crazy Bird Inc. 160	Posted - 2014.03.04 00:50:00 - [36] - Quote Yang Aurilen wrote: Well there are missions you can chain around. Lot's of L4 FW missions. Yup, but 5 bil a week @ 2 hours a day? No way. OP is full of it.
Miriya Zakalwe Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance 98	Posted - 2014.03.04 01:26:00 - [37] - Quote djentropy Ovaert wrote: Yang Aurilen wrote: Well there are missions you can chain around. Lot's of L4 FW missions. Yup, but 5 bil a week @ 2 hours a day? No way. OP is full of it. Actually - they are not far off. At tier 4 you pull in about 40-60k LP per L4 mission, and there's 10-15 mission agents available per run. Figure you can get one run in in 3 hrs (tight but doable - 30 mins to collect them in an Inty and 2.5 hrs to run them in a SB); that's about an average of 600M ISK equivalent per day. So, ~4B per week. People usually figure 200M ISK/hr running FW missions in my experience. And that's in a ~40M ISK fit SB. There's other variance there (the agents don't always have kill missions, etc) but there is no denying it is a money pinata. (disclaimer, I never actually ran them at that efficiency myself - I didn't have SB skills at the time so could only make about 50-100M/hr doing them in other ships - but I know lots of people that did)

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