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Grissem	Posted - 2006.04.20 15:37:00 - [1] Thought I'd take a quick look in the alliances page after seeing all the posts about alliances folding and others forming. The scroll bar went so frickin small i could barely grab it with my mouse - must thank someone in my I.T department for giving me a wheel mouse (not a fake one......Brrmm tst) Grissem holds for applause and laughter......silence.....tumbleweed floats accross Anyways reason I'm posting this, just to be put in the picture, is there any particular reason as to why so many have sprouted up recently???? - am guessing it's to do with POS and the claiming of 0.0 territory and sovereignty etc or am I way off the mark here?? ------ This is for all you new people: I only have one rule. Everyone fights. No one quits. You don't do your job, I'll shoot you myself.*
Sarmea Moon	Posted - 2006.04.20 15:39:00 - [2] I'm putting my alt corp, in an alt alliance for one reason, and one alone. Any idiot that wants to wardec me, is going to be paying an awful lot of iskies.... --------- "English doesn't borrow from other languages. English follows other languages down dark alleys, knocks them over, and goes through thier pockets for loose grammar. "
Vegas	Posted - 2006.04.20 15:47:00 - [3] Originally by: Grissem Thought I'd take a quick look in the alliances page after seeing all the posts about alliances folding and others forming. The scroll bar went so frickin small i could barely grab it with my mouse - must thank someone in my I.T department for giving me a wheel mouse (not a fake one......Brrmm tst) *Grissem holds for applause and laughter......silence.....tumbleweed floats accross Anyways reason I'm posting this, just to be put in the picture, is there any particular reason as to why so many have sprouted up recently???? - am guessing it's to do with POS and the claiming of 0.0 territory and sovereignty etc or am I way off the mark here?? Ssssh more alliances there are, more that are willing to pay for our services Im guessing its more to do with the bob factor. Big alliances are more trouble than there worth and things take so long to get done. As we have seen with bob the smaller tighter units are far more successful and work a whole lot smoother. Perhaps others are actually beginning to realize ----------------------------------------------- Rage of Angels Killboard
Spartan239	Posted - 2006.04.20 15:59:00 - [4] Originally by: Sarmea Moon I'm putting my alt corp, in an alt alliance for one reason, and one alone. Any idiot that wants to wardec me, is going to be paying an awful lot of iskies.... 50mil isnt that much I post on the forums for MaxSuicide that makes me cool? Originally by: Dark Shikari Dragonball Z> all other anime
ALPHA12125	Posted - 2006.04.20 16:04:00 - [5] Originally by: Spartan239 Originally by: Sarmea Moon I'm putting my alt corp, in an alt alliance for one reason, and one alone. Any idiot that wants to wardec me, is going to be paying an awful lot of iskies.... 50mil isnt that much /geekmode on well considering the corp vs. corp is 10 mill the "save" would be 40 million. so if we divide that through the 1 billion alliance cost so after 25 wardecs it would have paid off :) so i would call it a rather longterm investment not that my calculations made any sense /geekmode off
Sarmea Moon	Posted - 2006.04.20 16:08:00 - [6] Originally by: Spartan239 Originally by: Sarmea Moon I'm putting my alt corp, in an alt alliance for one reason, and one alone. Any idiot that wants to wardec me, is going to be paying an awful lot of iskies.... 50mil isnt that much Most people who wardec very small corps are bullies. They look around, see a 3 month old char in a one to three man corp, and voila. 2 million is very little. Two cycles of a strip miner in 0.0 space. Empire hugging bullies can still do that in two hours mining of a single person, or a decent level 4 mission. However, they wouldn't be very likely to want to wardec an alliance, @ 50 million a dec. I'm betting alot of these alliances are 3 to 10 man, for exactly this reason. A great way to **** off the bullies : they wardec a one man corp, that corp forms a small alliance with another 1 or 2 1 man corps, and viola, 50 mill war bill, and the alt alliance dock. I then go play with my main, and they pay 50 million to camp a station for a week:) --------- "English doesn't borrow from other languages. English follows other languages down dark alleys, knocks them over, and goes through thier pockets for loose grammar. "
Sarmea Moon	Posted - 2006.04.20 16:12:00 - [7] As to the cost of making an alliance, how much is it worth to several tiny corps to prevent all that bullying? --------- "English doesn't borrow from other languages. English follows other languages down dark alleys, knocks them over, and goes through thier pockets for loose grammar. "
Mariko San	Posted - 2006.04.20 16:12:00 - [8] Originally by: Spartan239 Originally by: Sarmea Moon I'm putting my alt corp, in an alt alliance for one reason, and one alone. Any idiot that wants to wardec me, is going to be paying an awful lot of iskies.... 50mil isnt that much It needs to be increased substantially IMO. It gets very wearing if part of a large alliance to have all these little "pvp corps" war deccing you every 5 mins in the hopes of getting a few hauler ganks in Jita. Oh the luxury of being able to AFK travel through safe space empire :(
Beringe	Posted - 2006.04.20 16:45:00 - [9] Alliances don't seem to go away, either. People tend to leave a 1-man alt corp in a dead alliance in order to keep the name alive. I guess it is sort of understandable. At the very least, it is memorabilia. I think CCP should offer some sort of ingame (or just on this website) tombstones for corporations and alliances that reached a certain size/prestige in stead. That would be totally cool. ------------------------------------------- "Never underestimate the power of language." --Daitan Beringe, honorary director in charge of bottles--
Mr Fubar	Posted - 2006.04.20 16:52:00 - [10] another reason Alliances are created is for the standings slots, corp = 300 max i think ? Alliance many more than 300, plus as a corp you cannot set standings to an Alliance, you have to set it to each individual corp in that Alliance. or i am completely wrong
Archilies	Posted - 2006.04.20 16:53:00 - [11] tis coz people would rather have smaller alliances, rather than join and be part of an alliance with 2k players me thinx Recruitment Thread
Raid	Posted - 2006.04.20 16:57:00 - [12] If you could grab Sov of a system without being in an alliance you would see a lot less alliances. Originally by: Bared Bel'Medar Its a rare dialect called "dou'chay'ba'gh"... frequently used by members of this forum community. I was under the assumption you spoke it
Sarmea Moon	Posted - 2006.04.20 17:18:00 - [13] /thread derail Raid, I love your sig, it *****s me up One teeny tiny thing though, douche is pronounced doosh, not dooshay. Sort of like cashe is pronounced cash, not cashay, but that's another gripe I have in my unit... /thread back on track --------- "English doesn't borrow from other languages. English follows other languages down dark alleys, knocks them over, and goes through thier pockets for loose grammar. "
Soren	Posted - 2006.04.20 18:03:00 - [14] Alliances should cost 10 bill, and not be a dime a dozen. ________________________________________________ Inappropriate signature. --Jorauk pfft.. all pictures were off the CCP website =\ --Soren
hired goon	Posted - 2006.04.20 18:21:00 - [15] After alliances fall below a certain number of members, it should be given maybe 48 hours before it evaporates. -omg-
Zysco	Posted - 2006.04.20 18:23:00 - [16] Originally by: Soren Alliances should cost 10 bill, and not be a dime a dozen. qft New Petition Inc Vid
Jennifae	Posted - 2006.04.20 18:42:00 - [17] Originally by: Sarmea Moon I'm putting my alt corp, in an alt alliance for one reason, and one alone. Any idiot that wants to wardec me, is going to be paying an awful lot of iskies.... SPLOIT. pathetic carebear
Jennifae	Posted - 2006.04.20 18:44:00 - [18] Originally by: Mariko San Originally by: Spartan239 Originally by: Sarmea Moon I'm putting my alt corp, in an alt alliance for one reason, and one alone. Any idiot that wants to wardec me, is going to be paying an awful lot of iskies.... 50mil isnt that much It needs to be increased substantially IMO. It gets very wearing if part of a large alliance to have all these little "pvp corps" war deccing you every 5 mins in the hopes of getting a few hauler ganks in Jita. Oh the luxury of being able to AFK travel through safe space empire :( protect your assets if you dont want to get ganked. Player solutions to player problems. Don't continually try to get devs to do your work for you!
Sarmea Moon	Posted - 2006.04.20 19:16:00 - [19] Originally by: Jennifae Originally by: Sarmea Moon I'm putting my alt corp, in an alt alliance for one reason, and one alone. Any idiot that wants to wardec me, is going to be paying an awful lot of iskies.... SPLOIT. pathetic carebear Pathetic alt --------- "English doesn't borrow from other languages. English follows other languages down dark alleys, knocks them over, and goes through thier pockets for loose grammar. "
Finix Jaeger	Posted - 2006.04.20 21:36:00 - [20] Originally by: hired goon After alliances fall below a certain number of members, it should be given maybe 48 hours before it evaporates. Agreed. ------------------------- Rover Vitesse > Finix, i am not going to go all the way tonight
Roue	Posted - 2006.04.20 22:38:00 - [21] Originally by: Zysco Originally by: Soren Alliances should cost 10 bill, and not be a dime a dozen. qft Ummm there was a time when 1bil was alot.. and there will be a time when 10bil isn't. Not for a collection of people that could be 1000's. another suggestion? Minimum membership corp or player is a good idea.
Serenity Steele	Posted - 2006.04.20 23:35:00 - [22] Originally by: Grissem Anyways reason I'm posting this, just to be put in the picture, is there any particular reason as to why so many have sprouted up recently???? - am guessing it's to do with POS and the claiming of 0.0 territory and sovereignty etc or am I way off the mark here?? Looking at all the corp-sized alliances, probably a number of factors: - Increased barrier to war decs - Sovereignty fuel savings on POS - Corps 'merging' but unwilling to give up their respective autonomy - Corps dividing assets across more hangars and more corp wallets - Corps dividing into multiple divisions - Old alliances never die, they just get run by an alt - Corps wanting to get on the rankings list so people see your name - Forming an alliance just cause it's a cool thing to do Notice most of these are using game mechanics to achieve a deficiency in corp ability: - Claiming Sov - Insufficient Hangars - Only one corp wallet - Corps not expiring under a certain size And ofc. - Alliances not expiring under a certain size (either members or corps) Corp member size limitation isn't a factor, as you need empire control V to create an alliance, which allows 1250 members in one corp.
Macdeth	Posted - 2006.04.21 00:05:00 - [23] Originally by: Serenity Steele Corp member size limitation isn't a factor, as you need empire control V to create an alliance, which allows 1250 members in one corp. I think this thread would like a word with you... I also think the current limit is 1300, but same gist. (105)+(505)+(200*5) = 50 + 250 + 1000 = 1300
Snake Jankins	Posted - 2006.04.21 00:40:00 - [24] Edited by: Snake Jankins on 21/04/2006 00:41:03 Somehow I don't see the problem. Makes no difference to me in 0.0. If I spot an unknow alliance in our space, then it's the same procedure as with an unknown independent corp. It doesn't affect my gameplay. I know the tickers of the alliances that are of importance to me, the rest is pointless. ___________ 'Only ships can be assembled, this is a Frigate.'
Blacklight	Posted - 2006.04.21 01:32:00 - [25] There can be only one. Eve Blacklight Style
Lorth	Posted - 2006.04.21 01:47:00 - [26] Originally by: Blacklight There can be only one. I'm dissapointed that there never was only 'one' There was always some random sword wielding dude showing up, when they thought the last guy, was really for sure the last guy, this time, maybe.
Blacklight	Posted - 2006.04.21 01:48:00 - [27] Originally by: Lorth Originally by: Blacklight There can be only one. I'm dissapointed that there never was only 'one' There was always some random sword wielding dude showing up, when they thought the last guy, was really for sure the last guy, this time, maybe. Stalker. Eve Blacklight Style
Lorth	Posted - 2006.04.21 01:50:00 - [28] Edited by: Lorth on 21/04/2006 01:52:23 Me? Never. I'm hijacking this thread and taking it straight to cuba. EDIT: And come on, anyone who watched Highlander knows what I'm talking about. Do you know they're filming anouther movie though?
HammaSlamma	Posted - 2006.04.21 02:22:00 - [29] Fox ofc. DO A BARREL ROLL!
Nickel Deuce	Posted - 2006.04.21 03:08:00 - [30] VentureCorp has formed a few alliances for single corps (at a substantial surcharge of course). A lot of the time (especially for 0.0 corps) it is very hard to keep all standings straight unless you have the number of slots an alliance has. It also allows you to set standings to an alliance, instead of relying on the usually-behind alliance page to get the member corps. If CCP made it possible to set standings corp -> alliance, not so many slots would be needed, and you wouldn't see some of these alliances being formed. - - - - - - - - Encoded with ROT26 ù circumvention will be prosecuted!
Shyalud	Posted - 2006.04.21 03:41:00 - [31] Originally by: Mr Fubar another reason Alliances are created is for the standings slots, corp = 300 max i think ? Alliance many more than 300, plus as a corp you cannot set standings to an Alliance, you have to set it to each individual corp in that Alliance. or i am completely wrong look up goonfleet and goonwaffe....300? CHSN High Council
Shy Archa	Posted - 2006.04.21 03:41:00 - [32] Edited by: Shy Archa on 21/04/2006 03:41:43 dlt pls
Drilla	Posted - 2006.04.21 08:23:00 - [33] Originally by: Shyalud Originally by: Mr Fubar another reason Alliances are created is for the standings slots, corp = 300 max i think ? Alliance many more than 300, plus as a corp you cannot set standings to an Alliance, you have to set it to each individual corp in that Alliance. or i am completely wrong look up goonfleet and goonwaffe....300? Read before you post - he's talking about standings, not members. Seek not to bar my way, for I shall win through - no matter the cost!
Rexthor Hammerfists	Posted - 2006.04.21 09:05:00 - [34] it hink there should b a monthly rent of like 100m, so those 1man allaiinces would disappear. - Purple Conquered The World, We the Universe.
Seleene	Posted - 2006.04.21 09:13:00 - [35] Originally by: Soren Alliances should cost 10 bill, and not be a dime a dozen. YES. When I created MC, there were barely ten-fifteen "alliances" in existance. - Who is the MC? Watch!
Mariko San	Posted - 2006.04.21 09:26:00 - [36] Originally by: Jennifae Originally by: Mariko San Originally by: Spartan239 Originally by: Sarmea Moon I'm putting my alt corp, in an alt alliance for one reason, and one alone. Any idiot that wants to wardec me, is going to be paying an awful lot of iskies.... 50mil isnt that much It needs to be increased substantially IMO. It gets very wearing if part of a large alliance to have all these little "pvp corps" war deccing you every 5 mins in the hopes of getting a few hauler ganks in Jita. Oh the luxury of being able to AFK travel through safe space empire :( protect your assets if you dont want to get ganked. Player solutions to player problems. Don't continually try to get devs to do your work for you! I am not online atm so cant see if your character is in a large alliance or not. I am assuming not.
Vishnej	Posted - 2006.04.21 12:00:00 - [37] "You have been refunded 500 mil in listing fees now that DED no longer has to keep tracking your status" Would fix most of the 1 man alliances. Contribute to the Eve Wiki
Jade Foxfire	Posted - 2006.04.21 12:40:00 - [38] Edited by: Jade Foxfire on 21/04/2006 12:44:25 Looks like some people want to see less alliances, but bigger ones. For me being in a big alliance has only one big advantage and that's pvp. You can form big pvp fleets, have fun in fleet battles and can't be outnumbered easily. Otherwise I'd prefer to play with less people with more responsibilities. Most of us are just exchangable in big alliances and have no influence on what's going on. Besides the fun times in fleets, there are also times, when I want to develop my own ideas, try new things out and see how it works. I think smaller groups are better for this. Currently I've almost no chance to do it. Yesterday I didn't log in for hours because of this and then after I logged in, I just ignored all chats and made everyone believe that I was afk and tried some stuff out that really interested me, for the first time since weeks. So no, I don't agree that bigger is always better. For people, who enjoy to use their brain in their spare time, it's sometimes frustrating to be just a pawn in the alliance game and follow similar orders again and again. I like these smaller groups in 0.0, who do their own thing and I'd like to see individual corps claiming a constellation. ( Good thing is that there is still 0.0 with npc stations for people, who like to enjoy 0.0 in smaller groups. )

Chribba	Posted - 2006.04.21 13:20:00 - [39] imo many of the newly created alliances are due to former alliance breakups, plus the fact that the common wealth of the eve pilots puts an alliance as the "next step" just like training for bs is. back in the days (2003) a bs was a rare sight, today it isn't. back in dec 2004 an alliance was a rare sight, today it isn't. today a dread is semi rare sight, in a year most likely not. I'd say it's the natrual development, you make a corp, but why stop with that when the next level is alliance, only the ISK and skill needed. You train for frigate, but most of you do not stop there, you move on to cruisers, bs, hacs, the natrual development. As for 1 man alliances, I don't really see no reason why I shouldn't be allowed to have mine even though I am alone in both. The only crime I commit with my alliances is in that case clogging up the alliance page. And my personal reason for starting them is and was because I could, to myself that is a proof of that even the little man can do and make things that was only said to be created for the grater mass. Same goes for my dread. EVE-Files \| EVE-Search \| Monitor this Thread

Miss Overlord	Posted - 2006.04.21 13:25:00 - [40] there are some ppl in game that just like to be famous or big so after they have played for a few years maybe hae a successful corp and they get bored next step (impact the game world by forming an alliance) then they make things more complex and generally have fun doing it.
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.04.21 13:25:00 - [41] Originally by: Chribba imo many of the newly created alliances are due to former alliance breakups, plus the fact that the common wealth of the eve pilots puts an alliance as the "next step" just like training for bs is. back in the days (2003) a bs was a rare sight, today it isn't. back in dec 2004 an alliance was a rare sight, today it isn't. today a dread is semi rare sight, in a year most likely not. I'd say it's the natrual development, you make a corp, but why stop with that when the next level is alliance, only the ISK and skill needed. You train for frigate, but most of you do not stop there, you move on to cruisers, bs, hacs, the natrual development. As for 1 man alliances, I don't really see no reason why I shouldn't be allowed to have mine even though I am alone in both. The only crime I commit with my alliances is in that case clogging up the alliance page. And my personal reason for starting them is and was because I could, to myself that is a proof of that even the little man can do and make things that was only said to be created for the grater mass. Same goes for my dread. So when will Titans be a common view? ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT! RAWR!11 Sig Hijack!11 - Imaran

Chribba	Posted - 2006.04.21 14:50:00 - [42] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire So when will Titans be a common view? When my lands in a 1.0 near you EVE-Files \| EVE-Search \| Monitor this Thread


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