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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1009

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Posted - 2014.03.16 21:35:00 -
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Please refrain from posting (links to) chatlogs or (EvE)mail. ISD Ezwal Commander Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2617
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Posted - 2014.03.16 22:30:00 -
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Clio Fenatti wrote:anyone else here thinks Goblin might actually be a genius for possibly creating one of the biggest scams in EVE? Doubtful. I think he genuinely believe that the things he says are revolutionary and that goons will be detroyed by his terribad propaganda. It's what happens when you take someone that's not very bright but incredibly impressionable, have him gather some knowledge basic mechanics, expose him to some of the worst smacktalk in the game. He has a lot of rage, but no ability to actually formulate a reasonable strategy. Add onto that the impatience that leads him to believe that he can be winning on day 1, and the absolute refusal for him to believe anything he is saying or doing can be wrong, and you wind up with the result we see.
Tarojan wrote:Nope, unfortunately hes serious. He is however creating content and for that he should be applauded. Never a dull moment for his loyal blog followers! Oh and grats Lucas Kell. He unblocked you? *rushes out to get more popcorn* He didn't actually block me, he just moderates out half my comments, usually to try to push the chat into looking like he retorted and I left. Any time he hasn't got a way to say "oh no but *reams of unconnected facts and gibberish*" he moderates out the comments. So I just stopped posting. That's why I like these threads, since they allow people to have a back and forth with the flow only being controlled by a 3rd party.
I'll still post on his blog from time to time but there's no point arguing with people that stubborn. I'll just let him run with it until he burns out. In the meantime I'll continue to play the game as I always have and been seemingly unaffected while he announces how incredibly destroyed we all are. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |

Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations CODE.
4330
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Posted - 2014.03.17 00:05:00 -
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Yeah I think he blocks everyone's comments. But I know he reads them. 
He also has me blocked in game. I'll still ask if he's afk in local before ganking him. See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did. |

Clio Fenatti
Tekniks
8
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Posted - 2014.03.17 01:31:00 -
[124] - Quote
Tarojan wrote:Clio Fenatti wrote:anyone else here thinks Goblin might actually be a genius for possibly creating one of the biggest scams in EVE? Nope, unfortunately hes serious. He is however creating content and for that he should be applauded. Never a dull moment for his loyal blog followers! Oh and grats Lucas Kell. He unblocked you? *rushes out to get more popcorn*
Lucas Kell wrote:Clio Fenatti wrote:anyone else here thinks Goblin might actually be a genius for possibly creating one of the biggest scams in EVE? Doubtful. I think he genuinely believe that the things he says are revolutionary and that goons will be detroyed by his terribad propaganda. It's what happens when you take someone that's not very bright but incredibly impressionable, have him gather some knowledge basic mechanics, expose him to some of the worst smacktalk in the game. He has a lot of rage, but no ability to actually formulate a reasonable strategy. Add onto that the impatience that leads him to believe that he can be winning on day 1, and the absolute refusal for him to believe anything he is saying or doing can be wrong, and you wind up with the result we see.
Or that is all part of the scam and he has been very convincing about it.
*shrugs*
tinfoil off |

Kyperion
General Washington's Irregulars
96
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Posted - 2014.03.17 12:15:00 -
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Kyperion wrote:Professor Clio wrote:For 100B a month, hell for 40B a month I'll get RvB to shoot all the goon pocos. Then why don't you ask him if he'll pay you that much to do it....? That's what any sane and nonintimidated mercenary would do. Be like "Hey buddy your 40B is going to waste attacking us, give us 60B and we'll attack these guys over here" ...or is a vengeful Mittani too scary for you?
.....And the question remains.... Are you mercenaries or pets? |

Professor Clio
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
381
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Posted - 2014.03.17 13:04:00 -
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Kyperion wrote:Kyperion wrote:Professor Clio wrote:For 100B a month, hell for 40B a month I'll get RvB to shoot all the goon pocos. Then why don't you ask him if he'll pay you that much to do it....? That's what any sane and nonintimidated mercenary would do. Be like "Hey buddy your 40B is going to waste attacking us, give us 60B and we'll attack these guys over here" ...or is a vengeful Mittani too scary for you? .....And the question remains.... Are you mercenaries or pets? 
Neither, actually. Apparently you people don't recognize a joke when you see one so I'll spell it out for you: I was making fun of Gevlon for spending almost 100 billion total for zero actual result.
I'll make a bold prediction, before the month is up Gevlon will stop funding marmite, cancel his noir contract but still claim victory. |

Kyperion
General Washington's Irregulars
96
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Posted - 2014.03.17 13:13:00 -
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Professor Clio wrote:Kyperion wrote:Kyperion wrote:Professor Clio wrote:For 100B a month, hell for 40B a month I'll get RvB to shoot all the goon pocos. Then why don't you ask him if he'll pay you that much to do it....? That's what any sane and nonintimidated mercenary would do. Be like "Hey buddy your 40B is going to waste attacking us, give us 60B and we'll attack these guys over here" ...or is a vengeful Mittani too scary for you? .....And the question remains.... Are you mercenaries or pets?  Neither, actually. Apparently you people don't recognize a joke when you see one so I'll spell it out for you: I was making fun of Gevlon for spending almost 100 billion total for zero actual result. I'll make a bold prediction, before the month is up Gevlon will stop funding marmite, cancel his noir contract but still claim victory.
So why don't you take that almost 100 billion for yourselves and 'create' some content?
Or are you happy thralls to Mittani? |

Professor Clio
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
381
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Posted - 2014.03.17 14:12:00 -
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Kyperion wrote:
So why don't you take that almost 100 billion for yourselves and 'create' some content?
Or are you happy thralls to Mittani?
I've actually never talked or met the mittani though I wouldnt mind having a chat with the man, he seems like a smart dude. I am however, very happy with the situation. I got to kill lots of lemmings (and even, surprisingly, some noir.) and I avoid having to fight a costly war with Goons over POCOs (note that they avoid having to fight one against me too, neither of us wants that). We're sharing the pie because we're the only 2 entities strong enough to fight each other for it. It would be completely irrational for either us or the goons to want to fight each other for a ressource that only brings in about 10B isk a month. We'd lose more than that in the first week of fighting each other.
Let me be clear, I, and all of RvB, including every line member I've talked to, and I talk to a lot of them, are perfectly, 100% happy with our arrangement. What the rest of you think is of no consequence, I have a responsibility to my members and no one else. |

Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations CODE.
4341
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Posted - 2014.03.17 15:32:00 -
[129] - Quote
You may have chatted with him in game and just not known.  See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did. |

Del DelVechio
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
209
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Posted - 2014.03.17 16:43:00 -
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Kyperion wrote:Professor Clio wrote:Kyperion wrote:Kyperion wrote:Professor Clio wrote:For 100B a month, hell for 40B a month I'll get RvB to shoot all the goon pocos. Then why don't you ask him if he'll pay you that much to do it....? That's what any sane and nonintimidated mercenary would do. Be like "Hey buddy your 40B is going to waste attacking us, give us 60B and we'll attack these guys over here" ...or is a vengeful Mittani too scary for you? .....And the question remains.... Are you mercenaries or pets?  Neither, actually. Apparently you people don't recognize a joke when you see one so I'll spell it out for you: I was making fun of Gevlon for spending almost 100 billion total for zero actual result. I'll make a bold prediction, before the month is up Gevlon will stop funding marmite, cancel his noir contract but still claim victory. So why don't you take that almost 100 billion for yourselves and 'create' some content? Or are you happy thralls to Mittani?
RvB creates content everyday. Just check the killboards. 36k kills YTD. How much have you created lately? Besides regurgitating some Grr Goons tripe you read here...
Del
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Edmark I
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
67
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Posted - 2014.03.17 16:47:00 -
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Professor Clio wrote:I was making fun of Gevlon for spending almost 100 billion total for zero actual result
But but but the killboards. Hundreds of billions in damage done to the evil goonies! Wardecs and damage on a monthly basis that has been going on since oh... about 2008 or so and will continue to the servers go dark.
Surely GG is having an impact |

Joseph Soprano
Aliastra Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2014.03.17 18:30:00 -
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Edmark I wrote:Professor Clio wrote:I was making fun of Gevlon for spending almost 100 billion total for zero actual result But but but the killboards. Hundreds of billions in damage done to the evil goonies! Wardecs and damage on a monthly basis that has been going on since oh... about 2008 or so and will continue to the servers go dark. Surely GG is having an impact Heres a funny story about highsec/mercs/wardecs and pvp. I visited Jita for the first time in a long time a few days ago to cash out some Caldari Navy LP that I got from this wonderful little thing called ESS. So I podded myself to the bottom station where we have an office, updated my clone and warped to 4-4. I got insta-gibbed by some guy in a Loki. I looked at my killmail and recognized the name. YangShampo or something. He was a member of Darwins Lemmings but the noteworthy thing was: I had been insta-blapped by the exact same guy in a triple sebo 720mm Loki 2 years ago when I first started playing this terrible game. 2 years later. The same guy is still sitting on the jita undock in a triple sebo Insta-locking Loki popping pods. The point is: the names on corps and alliances change- but the people stay the same. This time they get to do it on Le Goblins dime  but they would be there regardless.. I Ibised up and warped back to 4-4, let the bottom feeders feed on my rookie ship mail and then cashed out my LP undocked and they helpfully podded me to my next deployment area in Curse!
As you seem to have a bit of cash handy and the Lemmings provided you with a helpful service may I direct you to the Lemmings donation board...
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Edmark I
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
70
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Posted - 2014.03.17 19:07:00 -
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Joseph Soprano wrote:As you seem to have a bit of cash handy and the Lemmings provided you with a helpful service may I direct you to the Lemmings donation board...
Not gonna lie.. it feels pretty good getting paid to pvp. Alas, these wardecs are really putting the hurt on the average line member and I only have 9b liquid, therefore I cannot make a contribution to the lemmings today.
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Marseillefrog
Viziam Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2014.03.17 19:11:00 -
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Edmark I wrote:Professor Clio wrote:I was making fun of Gevlon for spending almost 100 billion total for zero actual result But but but the killboards. Hundreds of billions in damage done to the evil goonies! Wardecs and damage on a monthly basis that has been going on since oh... about 2008 or so and will continue to until the servers go dark. Surely GG is having an impact Heres a funny story about highsec/mercs/wardecs and pvp. I visited Jita for the first time in a long time a few days ago to cash out some Caldari Navy LP that I got from this wonderful little thing called ESS. So I podded myself to the bottom station where we have an office, updated my clone and warped to 4-4. I got insta-gibbed by some guy in a Loki. I looked at my killmail and recognized the name. YangShampo or something. He was a member of Darwins Lemmings but the noteworthy thing was: I had been insta-blapped by the exact same guy in a triple sebo 720mm Loki 2 years ago when I first started playing this terrible game. 2 years later. The same guy is still sitting on the Jita undock in a triple sebo Insta-locking Loki popping pods. The point is: the names on corps and alliances change- but the people stay the same. This time they get to do it on Le Goblins dime  but they would be there regardless.. I Ibised up and warped back to 4-4, let the bottom feeders feed on my rookie ship mail and then cashed out my LP undocked and they helpfully podded me to my next deployment area in Curse!
What a great story |

Edmark I
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
70
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Posted - 2014.03.17 19:22:00 -
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Marseillefrog wrote:What a great story.
That's just crazy that it was the same guy!
Heres the original mail from the character I started the game with, I have since purchased and gone through a few different chars before settling on this 70m sp one as my mainfleet combat main.
And heres the one from a couple days ago
2 years of elite highsec pvp
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Joseph Soprano
Aliastra Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2014.03.17 22:01:00 -
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Edmark I wrote:Joseph Soprano wrote:As you seem to have a bit of cash handy and the Lemmings provided you with a helpful service may I direct you to the Lemmings donation board... Not gonna lie.. it feels pretty good getting paid to pvp. Alas, these wardecs are really putting the hurt on the average line member  and I only have 9b liquid, therefore I cannot make a contribution to the lemmings today.
9billion you say. Well if you ever want to sell a couple your RvB slaves I might be interest?
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Panhandle Industries
296
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Posted - 2014.03.17 23:30:00 -
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Big Lynx wrote:Scam failed? Poor gobi goblin LoL
Its actually his most throught out article yet. People like to see where their money is going. Gelvon is still missing the other point though.
Quote:"The idea behind the donation drive and the whole direction of the project was that Goonswarm is unanimously hated in highsec, for valid reasons like tribalism (space-racism) and harvesting tears instead of teaching newbies, and for unfair reasons like shooting pixel spaceships in a pixel spaceship shooting game. People fill the forums with Goon hate."
I still haven't seen this. This may have been true five years ago, but its hardly true now. As the largest alliance in the game, its hard to maintain the "bad guy" persona because you are so visible. Most newer players ask "who are the goons?" and are told that they're the largest alliance in the game, not that the goons are a bunch of scammers and trolls. I think you really need to examine what groups are actually "harvesting tears" in high sec Gelvon. Sure there are goons involved, but there are a lot of other alliances too.
EDIT: I meant that I haven't seen a public backlash against the goons recently, not that I haven't seen goons take part in those activities. New player resources: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page - General information http://www.evealtruist.com/p/know-your-enemy.html - Learn to PvP http://belligerentundesirables.com/ - Safaris, Awoxes, Ganking and Griefing-á |

Professor Clio
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
386
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Posted - 2014.03.18 02:35:00 -
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Leave it to Gevlon to spin having his own pet alliance tell him to take a hike into a victory :)
Props to marmite for taking that chump for that much ISK and getting a training alliance out of it. |

Kyperion
General Washington's Irregulars
102
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Posted - 2014.03.18 02:42:00 -
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Professor Clio wrote:Kyperion wrote:
So why don't you take that almost 100 billion for yourselves and 'create' some content?
Or are you happy thralls to Mittani?
I've actually never talked to or met the mittani though I wouldnt mind having a chat with the man, he seems like a smart dude. I am however, very happy with the situation. I got to kill lots of lemmings (and even, surprisingly, some noir.) and I avoid having to fight a costly war with Goons over POCOs (note that they avoid having to fight one against me too, neither of us wants that). We're sharing the pie because we're the only 2 entities strong enough to fight each other for it. It would be completely irrational for either us or the goons to want to fight each other for a ressource that only brings in about 10B isk a month. We'd lose more than that in the first week of fighting each other. Let me be clear, I, and all of RvB, including every line member I've talked to, and I talk to a lot of them, are perfectly, 100% happy with our arrangement. What the rest of you think is of no consequence, I have a responsibility to my members and no one else.
So you are scared of the goons then, and admit you do not have the capacity to win against them.
Therefore goon pet award goes to RvB |

Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations CODE.
4362
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Posted - 2014.03.18 02:44:00 -
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So, has anyone actually spoken with both Mittens and Gevlon at once in comms? I could totally see Gevlon as unique personality #3 for entertainment. Nobody makes this many mistakes in rapid succession. It feels scripted, though still enjoyable. See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did. |

dexington
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1119
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Posted - 2014.03.18 02:50:00 -
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Erotica 1 wrote:Nobody makes this many mistakes in rapid succession.
lots of people do, the grand scale of the mistakes is what makes him unique I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous. |

Professor Clio
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
386
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Posted - 2014.03.18 02:52:00 -
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Kyperion wrote:
So you are scared of the goons then, and admit you do not have the capacity to win against them.
Therefore goon pet award goes to RvB
Try and at least be original in your trolling. There's a difference between having a healthy respect for the capabilities of the most powerful group in eve and being their slave. I like the goons, and they like RvB. We have a mutually beneficial relationship. If you're too dumb to see that, it's your own failing.
If they ever came for me and mine I'd give them a hell of a fight, hell, I'm even arrogant enough to think I might beat them but I ain't about to go looking for that fight. Plus RvB and goons are both too smart to let that happen.
watching gevlon helplessly flail about like a frustrated 2 year old has been incredibly amusing. Now that he's been told off by his own employees (how many times has this happened now?) I feel even more sure I made the right choice |

Kyperion
General Washington's Irregulars
102
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Posted - 2014.03.18 03:11:00 -
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Professor Clio wrote:Kyperion wrote:
So you are scared of the goons then, and admit you do not have the capacity to win against them.
Therefore goon pet award goes to RvB
Try and at least be original in your trolling. There's a difference between having a healthy respect for the capabilities of the most powerful group in eve and being their slave. I like the goons, and they like RvB. We have a mutually beneficial relationship. If you're too dumb to see that, it's your own failing. If they ever came for me and mine I'd give them a hell of a fight, hell, I'm even arrogant enough to think I might beat them but I ain't about to go looking for that fight. Plus RvB and goons are both too smart to let that happen. watching gevlon helplessly flail about like a frustrated 2 year old has been incredibly amusing. Now that he's been told off by his own employees (how many times has this happened now?) I feel even more sure I made the right choice
Well, as an independent party, and general despiser of goons, I figured I'd see if you would take the bait 
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2636
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Posted - 2014.03.18 08:08:00 -
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Professor Clio wrote:I'll make a bold prediction, before the month is up Gevlon will stop funding marmite, cancel his noir contract but still claim victory. It begins. He's terminated his official tie to Lemmings now, and will pay the for tasks rather than funding them directly.. They are just Marmite's alt corp now. Since Marmite's claim to fame is being the most ridiculed of all the merc corps that amuses me somewhat.
The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |

Tauranon
Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
845
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Posted - 2014.03.18 08:14:00 -
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Erotica 1 wrote:So, has anyone actually spoken with both Mittens and Gevlon at once in comms? I could totally see Gevlon as unique personality #3 for entertainment. Nobody makes this many mistakes in rapid succession. It feels scripted, though still enjoyable.
nah, Gevlon the entity was known and public prior to even joining EVE.
Ultimately he has a luxury few other people have (and one which is often not really afforded even to the Mittani), which is literally to try every possible strategy rather than showing any particular strategic selection process in avoiding sub optimal and very expensive strategies. (ie the most effective strategy is to reroute poco customers to pcoos that are unlikely to be taken by goons or rvb any time soon), but instead we see him simply choosing to rent another expensive gold plated hammer.
I'm sure he is enjoying EVE far more, because being able to trade up large amounts of resources and then _use_ them for something is very different to most games especially WoW.
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2637
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Posted - 2014.03.18 08:32:00 -
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Tauranon wrote:Erotica 1 wrote:So, has anyone actually spoken with both Mittens and Gevlon at once in comms? I could totally see Gevlon as unique personality #3 for entertainment. Nobody makes this many mistakes in rapid succession. It feels scripted, though still enjoyable. nah, Gevlon the entity was known and public prior to even joining EVE. Ultimately he has a luxury few other people have (and one which is often not really afforded even to the Mittani), which is literally to try every possible strategy rather than showing any particular strategic selection process in avoiding sub optimal and very expensive strategies. (ie the most effective strategy is to reroute poco customers to pcoos that are unlikely to be taken by goons or rvb any time soon), but instead we see him simply choosing to rent another expensive gold plated hammer. I'm sure he is enjoying EVE far more, because being able to trade up large amounts of resources and then _use_ them for something is very different to most games especially WoW. The thing is, he wants to be known as someone who made a profound difference. He doesn't even seem to care what that difference is, he just wants to have done it and be respected by the community. But he has no idea how to actually work up a strategy so he continues to try out every dumb idea that pops into his head. And even if he stumbled on a working one, he wants instant results. He wants to put in nearly no effort and immediately see his name in lights. It's just not realistic. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |

Garven Dreis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
140
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Posted - 2014.03.18 10:50:00 -
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I heard a rumour that Gevlon Goblin got scammed out of an alliance, any truth to that? Now's it's a ~high sec~ mercenary alliance with an anti-goon bias. Terrible Poster Runner-up 2014 |

Luwc
Easy Co. Fatal Ascension
73
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Posted - 2014.03.18 12:56:00 -
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I surrender and turn down my evil goon overlords.
PLS DONT SHOOT ME HIGH SEC PUB... EH PEOPLES |

Isabela Valentine
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
11
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Posted - 2014.03.18 13:24:00 -
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I wouldn't say that RvB are goon pets. Both Goons and RvB have their strengths and weaknesses and their alliance benefits them both.
P.S. Goons, are you bros planning to do a Burn Jita 3.0? |

March rabbit
Federal Defense Union
1362
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Posted - 2014.03.18 13:45:00 -
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Charles Case wrote:Wait, why is he crying? maybe he lost his bling ship? The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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