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Lord LazyGhost The Bastards The Bastards. 309	Posted - 2014.03.04 10:19:00 - [1] - Quote Hi guys not a whine thread. do you guys think that 12 months between remaps is a little to long. ? I would think 6 months would be more realistic. what do you think?
Entilarza State War Academy Caldari State 0	Posted - 2014.03.04 10:31:00 - [2] - Quote how's this not whine? Get yourself Eve-Mon and HTFU
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 19797	Posted - 2014.03.04 10:31:00 - [3] - Quote I think infinite months would be more realistic. And no, there's no particular reason to reduce it to 6 months either. Remaps are there to fix errors and to specialise. Doing it to often means you're not specialising or you're doing an awful lot wrongGÇª in which case, in good EVE tradition, you have to live with it. 12 months is pretty spot on. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1.
Kimmi Chan Tastes Like Purple 1719	Posted - 2014.03.04 10:33:00 - [4] - Quote Lord LazyGhost wrote: Hi guys not a whine thread. do you guys think that 12 months between remaps is a little to long. ? I would think 6 months would be more realistic. what do you think? lol, no. "Grr Kimmi-á Nerf Chans!" ~Jenn aSide www.eve-radio.com -áJoin Eve Radio channel in game!
Samillian Angry Mustellid 450	Posted - 2014.03.04 10:36:00 - [5] - Quote Remaps are fine as is. I honestly haven't had a skill plan that is less than a minimum of 18 months long. In the five years I've been playing I've only remapped twice, once six months into the game and once at the beginning of this year. NBSI shall be the whole of the Law
Lord LazyGhost The Bastards The Bastards. 310	Posted - 2014.03.04 10:42:00 - [6] - Quote Entilarza wrote: how's this not whine? Get yourself Eve-Mon and HTFU well because iam not crying O no I made a mistake i need a remap boo hoo. it was my just a question to the community. for your info i still have 2 bonus remaps and a normal one. but thanx for the constructive comment.
Salvos Rhoska Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 130	Posted - 2014.03.04 10:45:00 - [7] - Quote Lord LazyGhost wrote: Hi guys not a whine thread. do you guys think that 12 months between remaps is a little to long. ? I would think 6 months would be more realistic. what do you think? Explain the bold/highlighted part, please. Especially regarding it being "realistic".
Lord LazyGhost The Bastards The Bastards. 310	Posted - 2014.03.04 10:56:00 - [8] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Lord LazyGhost wrote: Hi guys not a whine thread. do you guys think that 12 months between remaps is a little to long. ? I would think 6 months would be more realistic. what do you think? Explain the bold/highlighted part, please. Especially regarding it being "realistic". my opinion.... i think in my own opinion that 6 months would be a better time span. lot of things change in 6 months ships, mods new things added to game sites maybe new skills. ect so being able to change a little quicker to adjust to a changing game could be good. Like i said that is my opinion.
Victor Andall Complexes and Abaddons 219	Posted - 2014.03.04 10:56:00 - [9] - Quote You should only use Remaps once you start making skill plans for several long (10+ days per) skills that all share the same attributes. Skill plans that take roughly a year. I just undocked for the first time and someone challenged me to a duel. Wat do? Andall Combat Tournaments - on hiatus. Contact for more information.
Lord LazyGhost The Bastards The Bastards. 310	Posted - 2014.03.04 11:04:00 - [10] - Quote Victor Andall wrote: You should only use Remaps once you start making skill plans for several long (10+ days per) skills that all share the same attributes. Skill plans that take roughly a year. I agree but what happens 6 months down the line when you go ooo X has been changed or o that looks good the new Y ships seem kewl i may train for them. which makes my end goal not really what i would like to do anymore. You stuck training that skill set for 6 more months because of something you chose 6 months ago when viewing the game in how it used to be before the Hyperthetical changes that happened. Yes you can change your skills que when ever you like it i and just train at a much lower speed then you would at a correct remap.

Frank Millar 473	Posted - 2014.03.04 11:04:00 - [11] - Quote It's my opinion you should biomass.
Em arr Roids Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 17	Posted - 2014.03.04 11:05:00 - [12] - Quote Eveyone is this thread is "letsmakeeveeasierphobic" 12 months is too long. Your stuck specced for a whole year for a certain set of skills and when your done with said skill type it means you have train other types at a slower speed because your not specced and cannot switch attribute specifications. It's fckin stupid imo. 12 month is indeed too long.
Lord LazyGhost The Bastards The Bastards. 310	Posted - 2014.03.04 11:10:00 - [13] - Quote Em arr Roids wrote: Eveyone is this thread is "letsmakeeveeasierphobic" 12 months is too long. Your stuck specced for a whole year for a certain set of skills and when your done with said skill type it means you have train other types at a slower speed because your not specced and cannot switch attribute specifications. It's fckin stupid imo. 12 month is indeed too long. Thank you I think your right about the "letsmakeeveeasierphoic" like that term btw :). also i think most people just like to troll these days. shame really that its come to this. i bet half the trolls on the forums dont even have active accounts anymore!
Hasikan Miallok Republic University Minmatar Republic 383	Posted - 2014.03.04 11:14:00 - [14] - Quote I was due for a 12 month remap last month and when I did a evemon attribute check it suggested the exact same perception int focussed remap i did a year ago. I still have the bonus remaps for my original character and have not used those up either. Must say, people on this forum seem rather SP obsessed. Eve the game of micromanaging skill queues :D People should just play the game and be a bit less obsessed with training.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 19798	Posted - 2014.03.04 11:14:00 - [15] - Quote Lord LazyGhost wrote: I agree but what happens 6 months down the line when you go ooo X has been changed or o that looks good the new Y ships seem kewl i may train for them. What happens is that you'll know 6 months in advance that it'll happen and can thus choose not to make the switch. What also happens is that the new stuff will be just like the old stuff with the same attribute combos, so chances are that you won't have to adjust at all. Quote: You stuck training that skill set for 6 more months because of something you chose 6 months ago when viewing the game in how it used to be before the Hyperthetical changes that happened. No, you're not stuck. You're never stuck. You just train slightly slower. If it's just a module or a ship that has been changed or added, it's such a short diversion that you're hardly going to notice the difference. Em arr Roids wrote: Your stuck specced for a whole year for a certain set of skills GÇªwhich doesn't preclude you from training something else that might come up or that you might have forgotten. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1.
Qweasdy Justified Chaos 86	Posted - 2014.03.04 11:15:00 - [16] - Quote Lord LazyGhost wrote: Em arr Roids wrote: Eveyone is this thread is "letsmakeeveeasierphobic" 12 months is too long. Your stuck specced for a whole year for a certain set of skills and when your done with said skill type it means you have train other types at a slower speed because your not specced and cannot switch attribute specifications. It's fckin stupid imo. 12 month is indeed too long. Thank you I think your right about the "letsmakeeveeasierphoic" like that term btw :). also i think most people just like to troll these days. shame really that its come to this. i bet half the trolls on the forums dont even have active accounts anymore! Curious how when someone agrees with you they're fine but everyone else is a troll... it's almost as if your opinion is the only valid one... This is a terrible thread. As such, it's locked. - CCP Falcon
Hasikan Miallok Republic University Minmatar Republic 383	Posted - 2014.03.04 11:17:00 - [17] - Quote Tippia wrote: Lord LazyGhost wrote: I agree but what happens 6 months down the line when you go ooo X has been changed or o that looks good the new Y ships seem kewl i may train for them. What happens is that you'll know 6 months in advance that it'll happen and can thus choose not to make the switch. What also happens is that the new stuff will be just like the old stuff with the same attribute combos, so chances are that you won't have to adjust at all. Quote: You stuck training that skill set for 6 more months because of something you chose 6 months ago when viewing the game in how it used to be before the Hyperthetical changes that happened. No, you're not stuck. You're never stuck. You just train slightly slower. If it's just a module or a ship that has been changed or added, it's such a short diversion that you're hardly going to notice the difference. Em arr Roids wrote: Your stuck specced for a whole year for a certain set of skills GÇªwhich doesn't preclude you from training something else that might come up or that you might have forgotten. yep unless for some insane reason you decide to convert your PvP character into an indy/trader the skills you need bonused do not really change much. Plus in the end a remap saves maybe 10 days over a year ... seriously ... who cares if takes a week longer to get into that carrier after two years training ?.
Lord LazyGhost The Bastards The Bastards. 310	Posted - 2014.03.04 11:19:00 - [18] - Quote Qweasdy wrote: Lord LazyGhost wrote: Em arr Roids wrote: Eveyone is this thread is "letsmakeeveeasierphobic" 12 months is too long. Your stuck specced for a whole year for a certain set of skills and when your done with said skill type it means you have train other types at a slower speed because your not specced and cannot switch attribute specifications. It's fckin stupid imo. 12 month is indeed too long. Thank you I think your right about the "letsmakeeveeasierphoic" like that term btw :). also i think most people just like to troll these days. shame really that its come to this. i bet half the trolls on the forums dont even have active accounts anymore! Curious how when someone agrees with you they're fine but everyone else is a troll... it's almost as if your opinion is the only valid one... thats not true. I deem a troll post as something that is not constructive at all things like biomass your self. year great advice. was also a general view of the forums today from what it used to be like.. or you know posting a message just to try and get a negative reaction from someone. make them purge so to speak.
Miomeifeng Alduin Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2014.03.04 11:22:00 - [19] - Quote Em arr Roids wrote: Eveyone is this thread is "letsmakeeveeasierphobic" 12 months is too long. Your stuck specced for a whole year for a certain set of skills and when your done with said skill type it means you have train other types at a slower speed because your not specced and cannot switch attribute specifications. It's fckin stupid imo. 12 month is indeed too long. so, what i get from this is: i want to train several skills faster, and then remap and train other skills faster, and then remap and do that again, and all of that without the downside of having other skills train slower. so you just want a constant skilltraining "boost".
Qweasdy Justified Chaos 86	Posted - 2014.03.04 11:24:00 - [20] - Quote Lord LazyGhost wrote: thats not true. I deem a troll post as something that is not constructive at all things like biomass your self. year great advice. was also a general view of the forums today from what it used to be like.. or you know posting a message just to try and get a negative reaction from someone. make them purge so to speak. There have been plenty of reasonable posts that disagree with you, yes there have been troll posts but that's par for the course when you post a suggestion in GD instead of F&I without even putting a good case behind it. This is a terrible thread. As such, it's locked. - CCP Falcon

Em arr Roids Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 17	Posted - 2014.03.04 11:37:00 - [21] - Quote Miomeifeng Alduin wrote: Em arr Roids wrote: Eveyone is this thread is "letsmakeeveeasierphobic" 12 months is too long. Your stuck specced for a whole year for a certain set of skills and when your done with said skill type it means you have train other types at a slower speed because your not specced and cannot switch attribute specifications. It's fckin stupid imo. 12 month is indeed too long. so, what i get from this is: i want to train several skills faster, and then remap and train other skills faster, and then remap and do that again, and all of that without the downside of having other skills train slower. so you just want a constant skilltraining "boost". Why not ?
Em arr Roids Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 17	Posted - 2014.03.04 11:43:00 - [22] - Quote Qweasdy wrote: Lord LazyGhost wrote: thats not true. I deem a troll post as something that is not constructive at all things like biomass your self. year great advice. was also a general view of the forums today from what it used to be like.. or you know posting a message just to try and get a negative reaction from someone. make them purge so to speak. There have been plenty of reasonable posts that disagree with you, yes there have been troll posts but that's par for the course when you post a suggestion in GD instead of F&I without even putting a good case behind it. and vice versa, nobody is presenting a good case as to why it is a bad idea. Saying "No, who care's if it take a few days longer to train a skill" is not a good reason not to consider the idea. The people who benefit the most are the new players and low end sp players. Why is that so bad ?
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 19799	Posted - 2014.03.04 11:44:00 - [23] - Quote Em arr Roids wrote: Why not ? Because it makes the concept of a boost pointless to begin with. The remaps are there specifically to make you train some stuff slower. If you can just get around that trivially or at will, you might as well remove the remaps entirely since they serve no purpose. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1.
Inquisitor Kitchner Galaxy Punks Executive Outcomes 1050	Posted - 2014.03.04 11:45:00 - [24] - Quote Don't newbies get a couple of free remaps? If they don't I think they should, they are the only ones I'm worried about as they are the only ones who have an excuse if they make a mistake and then have to live with it for 12 months. If you start out with say 2 bonus remaps and your standard one, you can essentially remap 3 times in less then 12 months. On the other hand, if you want to train something like leadership for combat ships there isn't even 12 months worth of skills that are worth training. After you've got FCV and all the boosting skills for combat ships that's about 8 months of skill training. I also think the amount of choice is pointless. Why can I spread the attributes individually when the optimal remap is nearly always just skewed in favour of one or two statistics? I'd actually be in favour of speeding up all skill training a little bit and cutting remaps all together and if people want to boost their stats they can buy the implants to do it. Maybe introduce some "officer" implants that give more then +5 too. "If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli
Lord LazyGhost The Bastards The Bastards. 310	Posted - 2014.03.04 11:45:00 - [25] - Quote Em arr Roids wrote: Miomeifeng Alduin wrote: Em arr Roids wrote: Eveyone is this thread is "letsmakeeveeasierphobic" 12 months is too long. Your stuck specced for a whole year for a certain set of skills and when your done with said skill type it means you have train other types at a slower speed because your not specced and cannot switch attribute specifications. It's fckin stupid imo. 12 month is indeed too long. so, what i get from this is: i want to train several skills faster, and then remap and train other skills faster, and then remap and do that again, and all of that without the downside of having other skills train slower. so you just want a constant skilltraining "boost". Why not ? if you make it to easy to change between them people do it all the time. there still needs to be some though and planning going into it. I would be for removing them the ability to adjust them all together and just having them fixed across the board. or even god forbid have them provided by bloodline to make picking a race and bloodline mean something again. Like in the passed it determined what skills you started with. these days it just makes no real difference at all. maybe the answer would be to have them all the same so you train any skill at the same pace. and the only way to increase the speed is with implants. or bring back the learning skills :) (puts on flame proof jacket)
Matarella Occupational Hazzard Gentlemen's Agreement 31	Posted - 2014.03.04 11:48:00 - [26] - Quote I can remember we had learning skills. you had to devote months to training to 5. And there was no remap, the atributes you took at the start of the game. was what you were stuck with. What I am trying to say. Be ***** grateful they added a system where you can switch every 12 months. Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:** Don't newbies get a couple of free remaps? New characters receive 2 free remaps when they start playing.
Jint Hikaru Truly Transdimensional The Nova Foundry 1125	Posted - 2014.03.04 11:51:00 - [27] - Quote I think 12 months is fine. Rushing to train for FOTM skills is bad, M'Kay. Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
Ralen Zateki Nexis. League of Infamy 81	Posted - 2014.03.04 12:19:00 - [28] - Quote Looks like a stealth "zomg it takes too long to skill up" thread. You get what, like 2 or 3 remaps the first year? That should be plenty to get a core established... after a year yer gonna be grinding hard for awhile anyway right? So, uh... nope.
Jommis Men's Curling 86	Posted - 2014.03.04 13:00:00 - [29] - Quote I want remap for plex..
Lord LazyGhost The Bastards The Bastards. 310	Posted - 2014.03.04 13:11:00 - [30] - Quote Ralen Zateki wrote: Looks like a stealth "zomg it takes too long to skill up" thread. You get what, like 2 or 3 remaps the first year? That should be plenty to get a core established... after a year yer gonna be grinding hard for awhile anyway right? So, uh... nope. nar not really with 90m sp on this char and a main char 150+ dont really need to skill up faster. Just something i was thinking about and thought would be a good discusion point.



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