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Froggy Storm
The Praxis Initiative Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2014.03.06 23:57:00 -
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Brutor Trash wrote:SURELY THIS THREAD HAS MORE TO OFFER THAN A BUNCH OF SCARED FRIG BLOBBERS LIKE FROGGY STORM WHO ARE AFRAID THEY MIGHT ACTUALLY HAVE A HARD COUNTER. FRIG BLOBBERS SO SCARED THERE MIGHT BE A TOOL TO HARD COUNTER THEM. FRIG BLOBS HAVE A COUNTER. AS THEY SHOULD. RLML IS IT. #BRING IT BACK. WITHOUT THEM ALL MOST PEOPLE WILL DO IS BLOB PEOPLE WITH FRIGATES WITH NO FEAR.
FRIG PILOTS DON'T LIKE THE FACT THERE IS A COUNTER TO THEIR SHIP CLASS. THAT DOESNT MATTER. BALANCE CALLS FOR IT. EVE NEEDS A HERO. RLML WILL SAVE IT. #2014
So can you kill the frig or not? You just said you could kill 1 or 2 of them earlier then said you cant kill any. Your caps lock has you confused I think. Surely you cant have it both ways. I will ask again, "Just how many frigs SHOULD your solo cerb be able to kill?" Are you honestly suggesting that isk should be at a 1:1 ratio purely based on one wep system? So by your thought is that a single cerb should be able to (as you put it) derp into that frig gang and kill 200-300 of them? Really now?
If two of them is insufficient to your sense of "correctness" I should think you can back this up with other cases in eve where big ship X can kill similar number of smaller ships Y based on your argument of it's cost. Oh wait you're a tracking titan fellow aren't you. That explains it. |

Brutor Trash
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.03.07 00:00:00 -
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https://zkillboard.com/detail/36448413/
You are not qualified to talk about PVP. |

Froggy Storm
The Praxis Initiative Gentlemen's Agreement
197
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Posted - 2014.03.07 00:01:00 -
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Brutor Trash wrote:https://zkillboard.com/detail/36448413/
You are not qualified to talk about PVP.
As someone with no KB history at all your argument is invalid. Please try again |

Brutor Trash
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.03.07 00:05:00 -
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MY ARGUMENT IS VALID. YOU WANT TO THINK IT ISN'T BECAUSE YOU ARE JUST ANOTHER FRIG BLOBBER WHO IS NATURALLY AGAINST RLML BECAUSE IT IS A COUNTER AND THE TRUTH IS HARD TO SWALLOW LIKE A FULL RACK OF RLMLS PEW PEW. |

Froggy Storm
The Praxis Initiative Gentlemen's Agreement
197
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Posted - 2014.03.07 00:13:00 -
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Brutor Trash wrote:MY ARGUMENT IS VALID. YOU WANT TO THINK IT ISN'T BECAUSE YOU ARE JUST ANOTHER FRIG BLOBBER WHO IS NATURALLY AGAINST RLML BECAUSE IT IS A COUNTER AND THE TRUTH IS HARD TO SWALLOW LIKE A FULL RACK OF RLMLS PEW PEW.
So then stake your claim and say that the caracal your link shows should have been able to (as a T1 cruiser) kill all of those assault frigs. Oh wait by that cost logic it shouldnt have as the Harpy costs more.
But we cant have any question of your real motives here can we.
However, you said I am not able to speak about pvp and linked a KM where a CAP was clearing out a warzone. So I ask where is your qualification, besides hidden behing this forum alt? Are you afraid to show that you are also just "blobbing" or where your falcon alt shows up? Some other "elite" pvp you are chosing to hide so we don't call you out on it and make you look more foolish perhaps?
If you want to take shots at people fine, just be aware that doing so behind a sock puppet makes you look like the one who is afraid to have your ideas stand on their own merit. Or lack there of.
And since were on the subject, I for one think that a possible middle ground solution might be to allow a "normal" reload time if you do not have a combat timer on you. That way you can get back to selectable damage, but once you are commited then you are stuck with what you have. |

Brutor Trash
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.03.07 00:20:00 -
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So then stake your claim and say that the caracal your link shows should have been able to (as a T1 cruiser) kill all of those assault frigs. Oh wait by that cost logic it shouldnt have as the Harpy costs more.
YEAH BECAUSE 1 CARACAL SHOULD KILL NEARLY 45 HARPIES. COUGH. |

Froggy Storm
The Praxis Initiative Gentlemen's Agreement
197
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Posted - 2014.03.07 00:24:00 -
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Brutor Trash wrote:So then stake your claim and say that the caracal your link shows should have been able to (as a T1 cruiser) kill all of those assault frigs. Oh wait by that cost logic it shouldnt have as the Harpy costs more.
YEAH BECAUSE 1 CARACAL SHOULD KILL NEARLY 45 HARPIES. COUGH.
That seems to be the summation of your argument.
That a cerb with RLML should be able to kill more than some unknown number of frigs based just on the launchers. You've thus far avoided stating how many would be a correct number. (As it would prove my point I think.) |

Brutor Trash
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.03.07 00:33:00 -
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LOL HOW 2 READ |

Jester Cap
A better day
16
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Posted - 2014.03.07 00:36:00 -
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Brutor Trash wrote:LOL HOW 2 READ
Please enlighten us. How many Frigs of any type should a RLML Cerb be able to kill. This should be interesting.
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Brutor Trash
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.03.07 00:39:00 -
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Jester Cap wrote:Brutor Trash wrote:LOL HOW 2 READ Please enlighten us. How many Frigs of any type should a RLML Cerb be able to kill. This should be interesting.
LOL BECAUSE EVE IS THAT SIMPLE. YOUR 2 KILLS AND 26 LOSSES CANNOT HANDLE THAT ESSAY. THERE WILL BE NO DERAILING OF THIS THREAD.
#RLML BRINGING BACK SOLO 2014 #BRINGING BACK RISE #REMEMBER THE BSB, REMEMBER YOUR ROOTS, REMEMBER THE ALAMO |

Jester Cap
A better day
16
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Posted - 2014.03.07 00:46:00 -
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Brutor Trash wrote:Jester Cap wrote:Brutor Trash wrote:LOL HOW 2 READ Please enlighten us. How many Frigs of any type should a RLML Cerb be able to kill. This should be interesting. LOL BECAUSE EVE IS THAT SIMPLE. YOUR 2 KILLS AND 26 LOSSES CANNOT HANDLE THAT ESSAY. THERE WILL BE NO DERAILING OF THIS THREAD. #RLML BRINGING BACK SOLO 2014 #BRINGING BACK RISE #REMEMBER THE BSB, REMEMBER YOUR ROOTS, REMEMBER THE ALAMO
I tell you what. Hit me up in game for a duell on this toon and i will show you all about what i can handle and what not.
You can bring your PvP toon alright. 
You argument is moot. ISK balance is a non-factor. RLML caracal and cerb is fine. You are not right just becasue you scream the loudest.
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Brutor Trash
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.03.07 00:55:00 -
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BECAUSE THIS THREAD IS ABOUT ISK BALANCE. (LEL)
THIS THREAD WILL NOT BE DERAILED. |

Jester Cap
A better day
16
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Posted - 2014.03.07 02:06:00 -
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Brutor Trash wrote:because 200-300 mill cerb struggling to kill 2 inties with frig-killing weapon system is borderline. lol wtf.
You made it about ISK balance. Selective amnesia? |

Brutor Trash
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.03.07 02:27:00 -
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THE OPINIONS OF PLEBIANS WHO DO NOT PVP, MINDLESSLY BLOB, WHO ARE BAD AT THIS GAME, WHO CANNOT FOCUS ON TOPIC, AND DONT KNOW WTF THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT WILL BE DISREGARDED.
ALLOW ME TO REMIND PEOPLE WHO CANT READ, THIS THREAD IS ABOUT A POLL. POST YOUR TEARS THERE NOT HERE. |

Brutor Trash
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.03.07 03:19:00 -
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POLL IS AT 80 PEOPLE VOTED. LETS GET IT TO 100 GUYS. |

ElCholo
Trans-Solar Works Terrible Space Warriors
94
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Posted - 2014.03.07 04:28:00 -
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Brutor Trash wrote:Jester Cap wrote:Brutor Trash wrote:LOL HOW 2 READ Please enlighten us. How many Frigs of any type should a RLML Cerb be able to kill. This should be interesting. LOL BECAUSE EVE IS THAT SIMPLE. YOUR 2 KILLS AND 26 LOSSES CANNOT HANDLE THAT ESSAY. THERE WILL BE NO DERAILING OF THIS THREAD. #RLML BRINGING BACK SOLO 2014 #BRINGING BACK RISE #REMEMBER THE BSB, REMEMBER YOUR ROOTS, REMEMBER THE ALAMO
Please learn how to PvP without using unbalanced modules. Every thing in the game has its pros and cons. Including your precious RLML. It is fine the way it is. It has a long load time just like the ASB for a reason. Show me any other weapon of that caliber that can hit frigate sized ships and project the same amount of damage at the same range. It's not out there. For a reason. |

Brutor Trash
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.03.07 04:35:00 -
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LOL SHOW ME A POLL.
OVER 90 VOTES. ALMOST TO 100 GOAL. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK CITIZENS OF NEW EDEN YOU GUYS ROCK. |

ElCholo
Trans-Solar Works Terrible Space Warriors
94
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Posted - 2014.03.07 04:49:00 -
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No need to vote. The votes might get one or two bored REAL PVPers and the rest will be forum warriors and trolls. CCP has the in-game data to show them what does and doesn't work. Those who know have tried to reason with you, the rest are actually out PVPing and not crying on the forums because their newest OP toy was fixed. However, don't let me stop your tears with common sense and logic. Cry on mighty warrior, cry on. \o |

Brutor Trash
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.03.07 05:17:00 -
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LOL I THINK I SEE TEARS COLLECTING IN YOUR MONOCLE.
ANYWAYS, 100 VOTES GOAL ATTAINED AND EXCEEDED HERE ARE THE RESULTS:
IN A SAMPLE SIZE OF 101 EVE PLAYERS:
51% OF VOTERS (52 votes) BELIEVE RLML SHOULD BE REVERTED TO PRE-NERF STATS. 22% OF VOTERS (22 votes) BELIEVE RLML IS UNDERPOWERED AND NEEDED BUFFS. 3% OF VOTERS (3 votes) BELIEVE RLML IS OVERPOWERED AND NEEDED FURTHER NERFS. 14% OF VOTERS (14 VOTES) BELIEVE RLML IS FINE AS IS. 10% OF VOTERS (10 VOTES) DONT CARE.
HERE ARE THE RESULTS YOU CAN CHECK THEM OUT YOURSELF AS VOTING CONTINUES BY THE LINK POSTED IN THE FIRST POST.
LETS TRY TO GO FOR A SAMPlE SIZE OF 150. THE HIGHER WE GO THE MORE TRUE POPULATION IS REPRESENTED.
KEEP THE VOTES COMING GUYS. LETS BREAK 150.
EDIT: OVER 700 VIEWS BUT ONLY LITTLE OVER 100 VOTES. WE CAN DO BETTER GUYS. |

Jaro Essa
Dahkur Forge
10
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Posted - 2014.03.07 07:42:00 -
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epicurus ataraxia wrote:I suggest that one option is that it becomes a dual function weapon, that can either operate as a standard light missile launcher with a normal reload time or as a rapid missile launcher front loading the damage, basically giving the players a choice in how to engage. Sure, if we can also have blasters that morph into railguns when I feel like shooting at things that are far away. Or Hobgoblins that change into Warriors when I'm engaging a fast-moving target. |

Jonas Staal
Interstellar Booty Hunters
58
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Posted - 2014.03.07 07:51:00 -
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I think the poll results will be pretty much useless because this thread gets interest mostly of people who do feel the same as you (although I'm doubting if thats possible), and the people who vote on your poll is a select group of that selection who thinks that voting will change anything.
Most sane - minded folks will know the poll won't change anything, and therefor don't make the 2 clicks it takes to vote.
Also, the caps ain't helping. |

Brutor Trash
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.03.07 08:28:00 -
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Jonas Staal wrote:I think the poll results will be pretty much useless because this thread gets interest mostly of people who do feel the same as you (although I'm doubting if thats possible), and the people who vote on your poll is a select group of that selection who thinks that voting will change anything.
Most sane - minded folks will know the poll won't change anything, and therefor don't make the 2 clicks it takes to vote.
Also, the caps ain't helping.
REGARDLESS, IT WILL BECOME ANOTHER PIECE OF DATA FOR CCP TO ANALYZE. AND FOR THE RECORD, IT HAS A LITTLE BIT MORE SUBSTANCE THAN WHAT PEOPLE USUALLY DO: NOTHING. OTHER THAN THAT WE HAVE HUNDREDS OF PAGES OF RLML PROTESTS. I THINK THIS THREAD GOT MOVED TO CAREBEAR SECTION OR SOMETHING. ALL IM GETTING IS WHINERS.
AS LONG AS THE NUMBERS OF THE POLL KEEP RISING, POPULATION INACCURACY KEEPS DECREASING. EDIT: HEH, THAT IS THE THEORY ANYWAY. |

Jonas Staal
Interstellar Booty Hunters
58
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Posted - 2014.03.07 09:13:00 -
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Brutor Trash wrote:Jonas Staal wrote:I think the poll results will be pretty much useless because this thread gets interest mostly of people who do feel the same as you (although I'm doubting if thats possible), and the people who vote on your poll is a select group of that selection who thinks that voting will change anything.
Most sane - minded folks will know the poll won't change anything, and therefor don't make the 2 clicks it takes to vote.
Also, the caps ain't helping. REGARDLESS, IT WILL BECOME ANOTHER PIECE OF DATA FOR CCP TO ANALYZE. AND FOR THE RECORD, IT HAS A LITTLE BIT MORE SUBSTANCE THAN WHAT PEOPLE USUALLY DO: NOTHING. OTHER THAN THAT WE HAVE HUNDREDS OF PAGES OF RLML PROTESTS. I THINK THIS THREAD GOT MOVED TO CAREBEAR SECTION OR SOMETHING. ALL IM GETTING IS WHINERS. AS LONG AS THE NUMBERS OF THE POLL KEEP RISING, POPULATION INACCURACY KEEPS DECREASING. EDIT: HEH, THAT IS THE THEORY ANYWAY.
I highlighted the irony.
Edit: I underlined it aswel because the highlight gets lost in your wall of caps. |

Brutor Trash
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.03.07 09:27:00 -
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I DONT REALLY SEE THE IRONY IN IT. ITS TRUE, NOTHING BUT A BUNCH OF PEOPLE WHINING IN THIS THREAD. I LIKE THE PART WHERE PEOPLE WITH 2 KILLS TRY TO TELL ME HOW A WEAPON SYSTEM WORKS AND ITS BALANCING. CONSIDERING, RLML WAS NEVER UNBALANCED TO BEGIN WITH. IT IS NOW THOUGH. SCROLLING UP IN THIS THREAD, ALL THESE PEOPLE TRYING TO TELL ME I WANT TO UNBALANCE THE WEAPON SYSTEM. IDIOTS. THEY ARE EITHER DOING THIS ON PURPOSE BECAUSE THEY FEAR THE RLML OR THE MORE INNOCENT REASON WHICH IS THEY ARE BELOW AVERAGE INTELLIGENCE. PEOPLE WITH BACKWARDS INTENTIONS, MAKING THEMSELVES LOOK LIKE THE GOOD GUYS AND FRAMING ME WHEN IN REALITY I AM THE ONE TRYING TO ACTUALLY BALANCE AND HELP CCP FIX THE GAME HERE. |

Jonas Staal
Interstellar Booty Hunters
58
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Posted - 2014.03.07 09:31:00 -
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Have you considered the option where you are wrong? |

Brutor Trash
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.03.07 09:32:00 -
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HAVE YOU? |

Valleria Darkmoon
Convicts and Savages Shadow Cartel
205
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Posted - 2014.03.07 09:50:00 -
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Set out last week with 4 RLML Cerbs, Rapier and Arazu in a gang with a tag along interceptor who is there to allow us to warp across grid. We ended up fighting against a gang of 15 or so varying in size from frigate to cruiser. The result was a massacre.
By the time the 4 Cerbs were empty about half that fleet were a twisted pile of metal, warp across grid to not get tackled while reloading, warp back into the celestial again. The really amazing part was that the survivors stuck around for round 2.... Round 2 ended up just being free-fire because frigates don't last anywhere near long enough to call out primaries.
As a lone ship I would not use RLMLs but on a small gang scale that dps and application at the range achieved by Cerbs is nothing short of impressive, you just need a plan for what to do when your clip is running low. RLMLs are simply a weapon you need planning to use effectively rather than just being the go-to weapon for all missile platforms that can fit them. |

Brutor Trash
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.03.07 09:56:00 -
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Valleria Darkmoon wrote:Set out last week with 4 RLML Cerbs, Rapier and Arazu in a gang with a tag along interceptor who is there to allow us to warp across grid. We ended up fighting against a gang of 15 or so varying in size from frigate to cruiser. The result was a massacre.
By the time the 4 Cerbs were empty about half that fleet were a twisted pile of metal, warp across grid to not get tackled while reloading, warp back into the celestial again. The really amazing part was that the survivors stuck around for round 2.... Round 2 ended up just being free-fire because frigates don't last anywhere near long enough to call out primaries.
As a lone ship I would not use RLMLs but on a small gang scale that dps and application at the range achieved by Cerbs is nothing short of impressive, you just need a plan for what to do when your clip is running low. RLMLs are simply a weapon you need planning to use effectively rather than just being the go-to weapon for all missile platforms that can fit them.
I AM GLAD YOU HAVE SHARED YOUR STORY. YOU ARE IMO USING THE WEAPON SYSTEM IN THE WAY IT IS CURRENTLY INTENDED IN A GROUP. WHICH, CONTRARY TO MY NAYSAYERS OPINIONS RESULTS IN A BIGGER MASSACRE THAN PRE-NERF DUE TO THE RIDICULOUS DPS BUFF. IMO, THIS IS VERY GOOD. HOWEVER, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A RETURN TO SOLO FIGHTING AS WELL AND THE 35s RELOAD IS A BIT OF A TURN OFF. BUT TO EACH THEIR OWN, I WELCOME DIFFERING OPINIONS HENCE A POLL WITH SEVERAL OPTIONS. |

Aivo Dresden
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
282
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Posted - 2014.03.07 11:12:00 -
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RLML need a bit of tweaking. What bothers me just as much is that there's just no good alternative either. If you fit HAMs or HMs you will do the most horrible damage against small, fast ships. You fit RLML, you get 35 second reloads for just average damage. Rockets on the other hand are amazing. Cruiser sized weapon platforms, not so much.
Personally, I've trained up turrets instead. :P |

Silvetica Dian
Manson Family Advent of Fate
780
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Posted - 2014.03.07 12:31:00 -
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Brutor Trash wrote:LOL I THINK I SEE TEARS COLLECTING IN YOUR MONOCLE.
ANYWAYS, 100 VOTES GOAL ATTAINED AND EXCEEDED HERE ARE THE RESULTS:
IN A SAMPLE SIZE OF 101 EVE PLAYERS:
51% OF VOTERS (52 votes) BELIEVE RLML SHOULD BE REVERTED TO PRE-NERF STATS. 22% OF VOTERS (22 votes) BELIEVE RLML IS UNDERPOWERED AND NEEDED BUFFS. 3% OF VOTERS (3 votes) BELIEVE RLML IS OVERPOWERED AND NEEDED FURTHER NERFS. 14% OF VOTERS (14 VOTES) BELIEVE RLML IS FINE AS IS. 10% OF VOTERS (10 VOTES) DONT CARE.
HERE ARE THE RESULTS YOU CAN CHECK THEM OUT YOURSELF AS VOTING CONTINUES BY THE LINK POSTED IN THE FIRST POST.
LETS TRY TO GO FOR A SAMPlE SIZE OF 150. THE HIGHER WE GO THE MORE TRUE POPULATION IS REPRESENTED.
KEEP THE VOTES COMING GUYS. LETS BREAK 150.
EDIT: OVER 700 VIEWS BUT ONLY LITTLE OVER 100 VOTES. WE CAN DO BETTER GUYS.
Self selected participation in a poll is not a valid mechanism for ascertaining anything at all.
Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85 |
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