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Dalikah wrote:
Just to reply to your latest post Rise:

The 40s reload timer:
Do you really feel like a 40s period of not being able to effectively defend yourself against tackle is not a deal-breaker, when ....... bla bla bla ......... and then look at RLML again and ask yourself if they really are/were too strong, or the other medium sized missile systems too weak.

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#KNOW ;LEDGE

I will express my opinion on RLMLs in 40 seconds.

The poll is really not needed, the players have already expressed their dislike clearly and oh so loudly.

What is needed is a suggestion for rlml and rhml that CCP rise can see, is even more fun, and even more effective, without breaking the balance with other weapons.

I suggest that one option is that it becomes a dual function weapon, that can either operate as a standard light missile launcher with a normal reload time or as a rapid missile launcher front loading the damage, basically giving the players a choice in how to engage. Oh and reduce the fitting requirements, there's so little value in the function it really shouldn't nerf other ship capabilities. But read below first before deciding.

The real problem that we are skirting around, is that missiles are in desperate need of some love at the moment, and the old RLML was a great solution to this for cruisers.
I don't think anything he comes up with that doesn't match the power of the old ones is going to please anyone.

So Suggestion for CCP rise is to look beyond all the rage and frustration in these threads and on this one system, stop and look, at what would make this a good anti frigate weapon, forget the "fun" and gimmicks and make it just Good.

You might find that you have reached a solution, and then apply it to the other missiles.

No.
........ a dual function weapon .......

Let me explain to you the concept of a trade-off or a draw back. It basically assume a situation in which a gain on one side comes with a loss on the other. In case of RLML you trade burst dps for sustained dps.

In the past missiles have had much too few drawbacks and a way too wide engagement envelope. Some of it due to the hulls using missiles some due to the missile(launcher)s themselves.

As the old saying goes: "you can have it all, just not at the same time"

Other weapon systems trade dps for range and tracking or alpha dps for sustained dps.

As I said before. instead of demanding the RLML do what you want it to do, pick the weaponsystem that does what you want to do and live with the drawbacks. If you feel that RLML need some fine-tuning like a slightly larger clip-size, that is one thing. But asking it to do everything at once such as sustained and burst dps at virtually all ranges with selectable damage type and immunity to ewar is just not very -lets say- beneficial to a rock, paper, scissor environment when rock beats both paper and scissor. You are making missiles not only op but all other launchers obsolete.

because 200-300 mill cerb struggling to kill 2 inties with frig-killing weapon system is borderline. lol wtf.

*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.
need moar power
anyone can see rlml is trash
plz fix

because 200-300 mill cerb struggling to kill 2 inties with frig-killing weapon system is borderline. lol wtf.

The other translation for the above is (as usual) someone with entitlement issues.

Please OP, just be honest. Tell the class how your "main" could kill whole frig gangs without any risk before the chamge. And how that is proper as you spent x+1 isk more than they did. (Since you have gone back to the isk balance argument). Just what do you feel is the correct isk to immunity ratio? Should a navy drake be able to trump your hac? It has cruiser sized weapons and costs more? That seems to be the sum of your points.

It's an empty argument at best.

My raven does better than you. You are doing something very wrong.

RLML are actually very very good in their niche environment.
They do a huge amount of front loaded damage that applies well to small targets.
If anything i am seeing more RLML setups now that frigs are cool again than i ever did before (nullsec).
I pretty much assume that caracals are RLML now and i am seeing oh so many caracals.

My raven does better than you. You are doing something very wrong.

SURELY THIS THREAD HAS MORE TO OFFER THAN A BUNCH OF SCARED FRIG BLOBBERS LIKE FROGGY STORM WHO ARE AFRAID THEY MIGHT ACTUALLY HAVE A HARD COUNTER. FRIG BLOBBERS SO SCARED THERE MIGHT BE A TOOL TO HARD COUNTER THEM. FRIG BLOBS HAVE A COUNTER. AS THEY SHOULD. RLML IS IT. #BRING IT BACK. WITHOUT THEM ALL MOST PEOPLE WILL DO IS BLOB PEOPLE WITH FRIGATES WITH NO FEAR.

FRIG PILOTS DON'T LIKE THE FACT THERE IS A COUNTER TO THEIR SHIP CLASS. THAT DOESNT MATTER. BALANCE CALLS FOR IT. EVE NEEDS A HERO. RLML WILL SAVE IT. #2014

https://zkillboard.com/detail/36448413/

You are not qualified to talk about PVP.

MY ARGUMENT IS VALID. YOU WANT TO THINK IT ISN'T BECAUSE YOU ARE JUST ANOTHER FRIG BLOBBER WHO IS NATURALLY AGAINST RLML BECAUSE IT IS A COUNTER AND THE TRUTH IS HARD TO SWALLOW LIKE A FULL RACK OF RLMLS PEW PEW.

So then stake your claim and say that the caracal your link shows should have been able to (as a T1 cruiser) kill all of those assault frigs. Oh wait by that cost logic it shouldnt have as the Harpy costs more.

YEAH BECAUSE 1 CARACAL SHOULD KILL NEARLY 45 HARPIES. COUGH.

LOL HOW 2 READ

Please enlighten us. How many Frigs of any type should a RLML Cerb be able to kill. This should be interesting.

LOL BECAUSE EVE IS THAT SIMPLE. YOUR 2 KILLS AND 26 LOSSES CANNOT HANDLE THAT ESSAY.
THERE WILL BE NO DERAILING OF THIS THREAD.

#RLML BRINGING BACK SOLO 2014
#BRINGING BACK RISE
#REMEMBER THE BSB, REMEMBER YOUR ROOTS, REMEMBER THE ALAMO

because 200-300 mill cerb struggling to kill 2 inties with frig-killing weapon system is borderline. lol wtf.

LOL BECAUSE EVE IS THAT SIMPLE. YOUR 2 KILLS AND 26 LOSSES CANNOT HANDLE THAT ESSAY.
THERE WILL BE NO DERAILING OF THIS THREAD.

#RLML BRINGING BACK SOLO 2014
#BRINGING BACK RISE
#REMEMBER THE BSB, REMEMBER YOUR ROOTS, REMEMBER THE ALAMO

I suggest that one option is that it becomes a dual function weapon, that can either operate as a standard light missile launcher with a normal reload time or as a rapid missile launcher front loading the damage, basically giving the players a choice in how to engage.

I think the poll results will be pretty much useless because this thread gets interest mostly of people who do feel the same as you (although I'm doubting if thats possible), and the people who vote on your poll is a select group of that selection who thinks that voting will change anything.

Most sane - minded folks will know the poll won't change anything, and therefor don't make the 2 clicks it takes to vote.

Also, the caps ain't helping.

REGARDLESS, IT WILL BECOME ANOTHER PIECE OF DATA FOR CCP TO ANALYZE. AND FOR THE RECORD, IT HAS A LITTLE BIT MORE SUBSTANCE THAN WHAT PEOPLE USUALLY DO: NOTHING. OTHER THAN THAT WE HAVE HUNDREDS OF PAGES OF RLML PROTESTS. I THINK THIS THREAD GOT MOVED TO CAREBEAR SECTION OR SOMETHING. ALL IM GETTING IS WHINERS.

AS LONG AS THE NUMBERS OF THE POLL KEEP RISING, POPULATION INACCURACY KEEPS DECREASING.
EDIT: HEH, THAT IS THE THEORY ANYWAY.

Set out last week with 4 RLML Cerbs, Rapier and Arazu in a gang with a tag along interceptor who is there to allow us to warp across grid. We ended up fighting against a gang of 15 or so varying in size from frigate to cruiser. The result was a massacre.

By the time the 4 Cerbs were empty about half that fleet were a twisted pile of metal, warp across grid to not get tackled while reloading, warp back into the celestial again. The really amazing part was that the survivors stuck around for round 2.... Round 2 ended up just being free-fire because frigates don't last anywhere near long enough to call out primaries.

As a lone ship I would not use RLMLs but on a small gang scale that dps and application at the range achieved by Cerbs is nothing short of impressive, you just need a plan for what to do when your clip is running low. RLMLs are simply a weapon you need planning to use effectively rather than just being the go-to weapon for all missile platforms that can fit them.

LOL I THINK I SEE TEARS COLLECTING IN YOUR MONOCLE.

ANYWAYS, 100 VOTES GOAL ATTAINED AND EXCEEDED HERE ARE THE RESULTS:

IN A SAMPLE SIZE OF 101 EVE PLAYERS:

51% OF VOTERS (52 votes) BELIEVE RLML SHOULD BE REVERTED TO PRE-NERF STATS.
22% OF VOTERS (22 votes) BELIEVE RLML IS UNDERPOWERED AND NEEDED BUFFS.
3% OF VOTERS (3 votes) BELIEVE RLML IS OVERPOWERED AND NEEDED FURTHER NERFS.
14% OF VOTERS (14 VOTES) BELIEVE RLML IS FINE AS IS.
10% OF VOTERS (10 VOTES) DONT CARE.

HERE ARE THE RESULTS YOU CAN CHECK THEM OUT YOURSELF AS VOTING CONTINUES BY THE LINK POSTED IN THE FIRST POST.

LETS TRY TO GO FOR A SAMPlE SIZE OF 150. THE HIGHER WE GO THE MORE TRUE POPULATION IS REPRESENTED.

KEEP THE VOTES COMING GUYS. LETS BREAK 150.

EDIT: OVER 700 VIEWS BUT ONLY LITTLE OVER 100 VOTES. WE CAN DO BETTER GUYS.

I DONT REALLY SEE THE IRONY IN IT. ITS TRUE, NOTHING BUT A BUNCH OF PEOPLE WHINING IN THIS THREAD. I LIKE THE PART WHERE PEOPLE WITH 2 KILLS TRY TO TELL ME HOW A WEAPON SYSTEM WORKS AND ITS BALANCING. CONSIDERING, RLML WAS NEVER UNBALANCED TO BEGIN WITH. IT IS NOW THOUGH. SCROLLING UP IN THIS THREAD, ALL THESE PEOPLE TRYING TO TELL ME I WANT TO UNBALANCE THE WEAPON SYSTEM. IDIOTS. THEY ARE EITHER DOING THIS ON PURPOSE BECAUSE THEY FEAR THE RLML OR THE MORE INNOCENT REASON WHICH IS THEY ARE BELOW AVERAGE INTELLIGENCE. PEOPLE WITH BACKWARDS INTENTIONS, MAKING THEMSELVES LOOK LIKE THE GOOD GUYS AND FRAMING ME WHEN IN REALITY I AM THE ONE TRYING TO ACTUALLY BALANCE AND HELP CCP FIX THE GAME HERE.

If you would not hide behind your specifically for these posts created alt, i would show you how a weaponsystem works. But you are all talk. You hide behind your 2 week alt and scream like a little baby who is not getting enough candy.

All you have done so far is insult everyone who does not agree with you. RLML are balanced exatly the way they are. They are excellent in their role.

Good luck with nothing. But yeah i know, you are right and everyone else is wrong. Oh i forgot sorry. 70 of the 700 views feel the same as you. that is erm...well..... 10%. But you are right, most of the EVE community feels like you.

There is a word for that. Its called denial.

I couldn't care less either way. I do scanning and probing. However, it's curious that you have people with decent PvP history saying that it's good the way it is, but a bunch of forum alts and folks with **** or no PvP history saying it needs to change. This is very telling. Maybe if some actual decent players supported this then I could see your side of the argument. Not to mention, posting in all caps is a great way to tell people that you are a troll and not to be taken seriously. Do you think CCP is really going to listen to anything you say after they told you repeatedly not to use all caps or post attacks against people?

Am I the only that can't take anything Brutor Trash says seriously because of his caps lock?

Hate: 40s reload. Stopped using them entirely and dumped stock on all the launchers because of it.

Love: How one CCP guy says "front loading" in a video and SUDDENLY everyone uses the phrase like it's some awesome explanation for completely CASTRATING a weapon system. Love that. Love the gullible "pilots" who pick up on a term and start beating it like a dead horse. Love it.

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