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Masta Killa	Posted - 2006.04.21 19:56:00 - [31] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: OrangeAfroMan Simply having the BMs in your cargo shouldnt cause lag for anybody except people scanning your cargo. Apparently that isn't true though, for some reason. People have been caught and banned for filling tons of cans with bookmarks to cause lag in a system, I believe. Is putting 25 bubbles on a gate an exploit? It serves the same purpose as the BM's so I dno.. --------------------------------------
Nafri	Posted - 2006.04.22 00:24:00 - [32] Originally by: Masta Killa Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: OrangeAfroMan Simply having the BMs in your cargo shouldnt cause lag for anybody except people scanning your cargo. Apparently that isn't true though, for some reason. People have been caught and banned for filling tons of cans with bookmarks to cause lag in a system, I believe. Is putting 25 bubbles on a gate an exploit? It serves the same purpose as the BM's so I dno.. the bubbels are meant to stop people, BMs just cause lag Jawas are lousy carebears :(
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2006.04.22 01:50:00 - [33] Originally by: Cpt Placeholder Edited by: Cpt Placeholder on 21/04/2006 15:03:42 its obviously an exploit but who knows you might get away using it... i wouldnt risk it tho, especially not after posting about it edit-> because youre abusing the slow loading of computers That's like saying it's an exploit to fight in blobs because your omgwtflynchmob numbers will lag the hell out of others. Originally by: Dark Shikari Istvaan Shogaatsu's ego, when combined with a veldspar asteroid, would create 500 titans. Too bad he's never mined. RAWR!11 Sig Hijack!11 - Imaran
Andargor theWise	Posted - 2006.04.22 02:32:00 - [34] If you take 1K trit, and split it into 1000 units of 1 trit, does that cause lag, or just a long list in the scan result? If a lot of people take to this, it might still give the gankers pause, since they have to decide quickly whether a lot of BMs/other items mask something of value, or a 500K ISK module that is "precious" to the owner... Andargor
Nukeitall	Posted - 2006.04.22 03:29:00 - [35] SPOILER: Use a freighter. They don't drop dink, and cant get suicided unless someone really tries.
dailyhazard	Posted - 2006.04.22 08:21:00 - [36] Originally by: jimmys savior most suicide gankers can't be arsed to attack an elite indy, or a freighter. it requires too many people. you can suicide gank a elite indy with 1 person its been done
Twilight Moon	Posted - 2006.04.22 08:37:00 - [37] I'd have thought suicide gankers are exploiting, as the majority of them are using ALTS on a trail account, to bypass getting sec ****ed on their main account.
Eviljohn	Posted - 2006.04.22 09:43:00 - [38] Edited by: Eviljohn on 22/04/2006 09:43:23 I dont think a scanner can tell if a bpc is used, original or has runs left so next time ppl build a faction bs or something leave a afk hauler at the gate with the used bpc in it, he ganks it and gets nothing apart from a blown up bs
stingy CEO	Posted - 2006.04.22 10:28:00 - [39] two words ; plastic wrap. Originally by: santa says Best returns on investment publicly available in eve, read all about it here
Rina Shanu	Posted - 2006.04.22 10:41:00 - [40] 1. use the BMs to shorten your travel and be safe. If you insta in empire from gate to gate or anywhere else for the matter they will never get you. 2. BMs cause more lag thyan other items, yes. they were not intented as a game feature from the start. it says so somewhere on there forums. 3. you can use other items to get the same result: lots of crap,,,,, 4. If I would see someone with lots of BMs, Skill books in the cargo and would be a suicide ganker, I'd do it. (insure pays quite well for T1) Take into consideration that we have t2 transport ships, you can use those, etc. there are means of flying safer from gankage in empire. * TRats - We ransom!!! *
Jilly Serkov	Posted - 2006.04.22 11:26:00 - [41] Originally by: Eviljohn Edited by: Eviljohn on 22/04/2006 09:43:23 I dont think a scanner can tell if a bpc is used, original or has runs left so next time ppl build a faction bs or something leave a afk hauler at the gate with the used bpc in it, he ganks it and gets nothing apart from a blown up bs I thought "used" BPC that reached a ship count of 0 disappeared now. If the BPC has a ship count of 1 or higher its worth having
Eviljohn	Posted - 2006.04.22 11:46:00 - [42] i think the cargo scanner just tells u there a bp in the ship and what it makes not if it has runs or an original unless its been changed
Turkantho	Posted - 2006.04.22 15:34:00 - [43] Edited by: Turkantho on 22/04/2006 15:34:40 Originally by: stingy CEO two words ; plastic wrap. you cant scan through those ? eg make a courier mission for your own corp and do it yourself ? ________ Asgar[D]¦ welcomes the dawn
Lord Waxduck	Posted - 2006.04.22 16:03:00 - [44] That sound ebil to me cos if it takes as long to open as a can with bookmarks in it he might not even get a scan done before you dock .. lol ☻IN♦GAME♦SINCE♦2004♦
Andargor theWise	Posted - 2006.04.22 16:56:00 - [45] While in the past this might have been the case, plastic warp, secure containers, etc., do not seem to hide your cargo any more. Andargor
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2006.04.22 17:23:00 - [46] Originally by: Mrsticks Or just a thought getting blasted by concord VOIDS the warranty on your ship (not the clone) Bamn insta fix for the whole darn thing. Ships dont have a warranty
Gonada	Posted - 2006.04.23 06:55:00 - [47] lol and instantly the whiners come out to cry exploit, when in-highsec- ganking is not? suck it up babys -I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.-
Mrsticks	Posted - 2006.04.23 07:44:00 - [48] Originally by: Deja Thoris Originally by: Mrsticks Or just a thought getting blasted by concord VOIDS the warranty on your ship (not the clone) Bamn insta fix for the whole darn thing. Ships dont have a warranty Im sorry Insurance
Kay Thxbye	Posted - 2006.04.23 10:01:00 - [49] Edited by: Kay Thxbye on 23/04/2006 10:03:32 Originally by: Dark Shikari Putting tons of bookmarks in your cargo hold is an exploit period because it causes massive lag for everyone in the system. You can use other items though to do the same thing. Or you can get off your arse and use a tanked indy I'd call it a border line exploit. But I don't believe that you lag out everyone in the system, because there is no reason, why that should happen. As long as the bookmarks aren't accessed, there is no server load. When someone does a scan, then the bms are accessed in the database of course, but there should be no big difference to opening my cargo for the first time myself. ( Later accesses are cached, to it's faster. ) I think it's a rumor that cans of bookmarks cause lag, just because they are there, although it's a common whine. As long as nobody opens the can, these bms are just data base entries that are not accessed and so they don't cause any server load at all and when someone opens it, it's not much different to someone opening his full hangar on a station. The delay annoying for the one, who opens it, but if only one guy does it, it shouldn't affect the other players at all.
ArtemisEntreri	Posted - 2006.04.23 12:04:00 - [50] Originally by: Gonada lol and instantly the whiners come out to cry exploit, when in-highsec- ganking is not? suck it up babys it's no exploit, it's a legitimate strategy
Marlenus	Posted - 2006.04.24 02:21:00 - [51] Originally by: Stellarr Use cargo containers :) no one is going to blow your ship if all they see is a huge secure container named "junk" Whoops -- you just made me realize I have a small secure container named "Precious Metals" where I keep loose bits of megacyte and such that I get from processing loot. I guess I better rename that bad boy before stuffing it in the hold of my Badger, eh?
Farjung	Posted - 2006.04.24 04:16:00 - [52] Originally by: Eviljohn i think the cargo scanner just tells u there a bp in the ship and what it makes not if it has runs or an original unless its been changed Now if your bpc has no runs left at the end of the manufacturing process, the factory eats it. A few 0 run faction ship bpcs that were lying around in my hangar disappeared overnight, with RMR I think. --- Reckless Wave of Mutilation
w0rmy	Posted - 2006.04.24 05:04:00 - [53] Edited by: w0rmy on 24/04/2006 05:09:06 Originally by: Nafri best is to divide your items into different stacks. 10000 Zydrine in 10 stacks of 1000 zydrine But you then increase their chance of getting loot. This way, theres no chance all zydrine will be popped, with one stack theres the chance they get nothing. EDIT: Oh and I cant see how it couldnt be an exploit. As you are doing it with full knowledge that you will induce lag. Of course people whine, its cause your sig sucks
Nafri	Posted - 2006.04.24 10:58:00 - [54] Originally by: w0rmy Edited by: w0rmy on 24/04/2006 05:09:06 Originally by: Nafri best is to divide your items into different stacks. 10000 Zydrine in 10 stacks of 1000 zydrine But you then increase their chance of getting loot. This way, theres no chance all zydrine will be popped, with one stack theres the chance they get nothing. EDIT: Oh and I cant see how it couldnt be an exploit. As you are doing it with full knowledge that you will induce lag. Stacks dont cause lag, except there are way more than 100 of them. The only thing thy cause is that you cant see the full cargohold at once, cause the cargo scanner always show only a few items in the cargo hold. BMs create way more lag than normal items (just open a ship with 100 BMs and compare it to a ship with 100 normal items) You can also transport lot of junk with you, also protects you from most gankers Jawas are lousy carebears :(
I337 n00b	Posted - 2006.04.24 11:59:00 - [55] Ganking in high security systems defies the entire point of the .5+ security systems, it is not fair to the weaker pilots and gives the game a bad reputation, as it would show you will not be able to travel safely anywhere, this one person i know got blown up and the other person (the sucide dude) never got blown up by concord... this isn't fair and should be banned or severly punished.
cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN	Posted - 2006.04.24 19:09:00 - [56] exploit if done with trial account. Because security was meant to be kept. Kestrel suicide thing was common back when u used to be able to use Cruise/torp launchers on them then nobody did it for a while. Then cant remember when about a year ago or somethin me my corp created a ton of minimuffinmen kestrel suicide squads but because we deleted the chars even though they where on paid accounts was considered exploit and CCP said to stop. I beleieve rule is u must keep the char like 1month if u ruin is sec before delteing if its on main account and if its on trial its auto considered exploit.
Jaos Nekri	Posted - 2006.04.25 18:37:00 - [57] The only real issue I have with highsec gankers, as a carebear hauler, is that there are very few legitimate ways to protect against them. If they can survive long enough to kill you before being ganked by concord, they can usually scan and pop an industrial long before it aligns to warp, so instas are pretty much worthless. The sec hits aren't high enough that a few hours popping rats won't fix it, and the risk involved is next to nothing for the gankers. As for the BM idea, as long as you aren't purposefully trying to lag them out, but instead relying on the time it takes for them to peruse a list of 2-300 items, you should be good to go. If you're concerned about using BM's being an exploit, use a mix of ammo and cheap minerals instead.
Lutien	Posted - 2006.04.26 08:54:00 - [58] best tactic is tank your indy, i fly a crane with a med shield extender and a photon scater and a m shield booster, with the speed of that ship they may consider themself luky if the get a look at your cargo. Or use bm yourshelf to get yourshelf through jita.
Blakkon Darkthorn	Posted - 2006.04.26 19:09:00 - [59] Seems simple enough, If your sec status drops to a certain point (say less than -2) your newb corp throws you out, or into a deccable newb misfit corp.
I337 n00b	Posted - 2006.05.03 13:05:00 - [60] EVERYONe START GANKING!!! apparently its legal.......go blow some ships up this game is getting ridiculous!!

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