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Ching Ling
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Posted - 2006.04.21 15:15:00 -
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This is a question that is quite difficult to Google about, so I am asking your collective wisdom.
I am a fan of nice 3D graphics and space games. I joined EvE 2 weeks ago and was hooked like addicted to *****.
So I want to know are there other games with cool space graphics? I saw X3 and I think it has mode detail but I fall in love with the ambience and atmosphere of EvE. The level of immersion that EvE creates is unbelievable.
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Myiesha
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Posted - 2006.04.21 16:51:00 -
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No. There are no other space games that come even close to EVE. The only thing even close was Earth and Beyound which has long since been closed down.
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Crado Lune
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Posted - 2006.04.21 17:00:00 -
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The only game I've seen that comes anywhere near close is Homeworld. I actually signed on my first time and asked myself if it was Homeworld.
But it's still not even close when you jack the graphics way up ^^
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.04.21 17:02:00 -
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X3 is good but not really worth the 50 bucks IMO.
Homeworld is the best 3D RTS ever made in history. Period. Hell, the best RTS ever.
Freelancer is damn good fun too.
Try Elite also--google it, there are free java applets with the game emulated. Its 3D and has tens of thousands of star systems and hundreds of enemies.
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Korcahn
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Posted - 2006.04.21 17:04:00 -
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Freelancer is a pretty good game.
But freelancer isn't nearly as complex as eve, and is really a single player game.
same basic gameplay however, fly around in space, do missions for npcs, shoot pirates, trade routes.
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Myiesha
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Posted - 2006.04.21 17:04:00 -
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If you want to look at the 3D RTS then Nexus is supposed to be good, but havent tried it myself.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.04.21 17:05:00 -
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 Originally by: Myiesha
If you want to look at the 3D RTS then Nexus is supposed to be good, but havent tried it myself.
Nexus isn't an RTS--its a tactical space combat sim.
Its a linear RPG with a tactical combat system, basically. But its still quite awesome.
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Mighty Dread
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Posted - 2006.04.21 17:22:00 -
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Anyone seen Sword Of Stars?
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Cpl Puni5hment
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Posted - 2006.04.21 17:36:00 -
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'Dark Space' is now in 'Open' Beta - but learning the UI that sucks... just like EvE did way back in the day when I first started.
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Corison Azura
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Posted - 2006.04.21 17:38:00 -
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Originally by: Cpl Puni5hment
'Dark Space' is now in 'Open' Beta - but learning the UI that sucks... just like EvE did way back in the day when I first started.
Bah the old UI was 10 times better then the new junk. You could actualy move your scanner around and get a piper over missiles to easily see their range and smart bomb them. :)
The games gotten better but the UI has tanked.
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Jobie Thickburger
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Posted - 2006.04.21 17:40:00 -
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There arn't any games that truly compare to Eve.
Freelancer would have to be the closest New game to it. I liked the 1player mission in it, but not really fun just existing
There is one game, if your looking for content over graphics... If your older you might actually remember it as well....
Wing Commander Privateer. Its an older game, came out around the early 90's. BUT there is a current fan-based project, using the Vega strike engine, to make it playable in XP. Google "Privateer Gemini Gold" and it will bring up the "historical Version" remake of the game. Its free to download and a good game to play when your not able to get on eve. The game has been fully redone, and can be played in whole, but they are still redoing a lot of the graphics in the stations, missionboards, characters, etc. Check it out, espically if you played it all those years ago....
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.04.21 17:41:00 -
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Originally by: Corison Azura
Originally by: Cpl Puni5hment
'Dark Space' is now in 'Open' Beta - but learning the UI that sucks... just like EvE did way back in the day when I first started.
Bah the old UI was 10 times better then the new junk. You could actualy move your scanner around and get a piper over missiles to easily see their range and smart bomb them. :)
The games gotten better but the UI has tanked.
Are you serious?
The old "threats" system was completely useless compared to the incredibly useful overview, and the blue scanner was junk--everyone I know just turned it off.
The old UI didn't have the ability to remove passive modules from your modules list, and it didn't have asset search. And there was no "show only overview settings" button on the scanner--thank god for that.
And now we even have market in space! 
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Corison Azura
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Posted - 2006.04.21 17:46:00 -
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Bah market from space? I didnt have any problems docking so mixed on that one. Probably a good change, but eh. :) Your right that usefull change.
I didnt use the blue ball either, but the ability to move/re-arrange my scanner was a huge benefit so I didn't waste a huge chunk of prime space.
Let me move the overview and I will be happier. Better yet, let me move the modules back to the center of the hud instead of having silly hotbars wasting space I dont need. Oh and please please give me back the ability to highlight/identify missiles even if I cant target them any more! :)
As I said, the game has improved a lot but at a fairly steep cost. I still hate the fonts. ;)
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Cpl Puni5hment
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Posted - 2006.04.21 17:46:00 -
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I was talk about learning EvE's UI... When I first started EvE was very complicated..well If I try Freelancer or Nexus I have to start all over again and re-learn the UI. I wasnt talking about EvE's UI sucked or anything.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.04.21 17:49:00 -
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Originally by: Cpl Puni5hment
I was talk about learning EvE's UI... When I first started EvE was very complicated..well If I try Freelancer or Nexus I have to start all over again and re-learn the UI. I wasnt talking about EvE's UI sucked or anything.
Freelancer hardly has a UI at all--there's like 4 farking buttons or something.
Nexus has a few more, but its nothing compared to EVE.
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Cpl Puni5hment
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Posted - 2006.04.21 17:53:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Freelancer hardly has a UI at all--there's like 4 farking buttons or something.
Nexus has a few more, but its nothing compared to EVE.
Im just looking to see something else until skills complete or Kali comes. I dont want to spend to much time learning another game cause EvE is my Primary.
So would you recommened Freelancer over Nexus? I want good graphics, good gameplay (single player) and easy to use UI/game overall.
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Simon Jax
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Posted - 2006.04.21 17:57:00 -
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Freelancer was an incredibly fun game. The mouse/keyboard control scheme was simply awesome. Don't get me wrong, I ain't hating on the joystick-control type games. I just really had fun with it.
As I recall, Freelancer was supposed to be a game much like EVE (conceptually, not functionally), but due to various things the scope of the game was cut down.
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Cpl Puni5hment
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Posted - 2006.04.21 18:00:00 -
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Edited by: Cpl Puni5hment on 21/04/2006 18:01:43
Nexus screenshots look amazing... What to buy/demo 1)Freelancer 2)Nexus ...I cant pick.
Same question: 2 Posts up
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Jobie Thickburger
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Posted - 2006.04.21 18:03:00 -
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Originally by: Simon Jax
Freelancer was an incredibly fun game. The mouse/keyboard control scheme was simply awesome. Don't get me wrong, I ain't hating on the joystick-control type games. I just really had fun with it.
As I recall, Freelancer was supposed to be a game much like EVE (conceptually, not functionally), but due to various things the scope of the game was cut down.
Freelancer was a merging of 2 ideas, Privateer 3 (in the mid/late 90's ) and Starlancer (2000ish), both coming from the guy who wrote the stories for Wing Commander 1-4(and prophecy I think).
I the intro, there was a good bit of talk about the war that takes place in Starlancer. The same sides etc etc. The Last quote from the Intro was (i think) "But we have not forgotten..." making you think that it was going to involve the origional game. You'll notice that nothing from the intro was seen in the later games. Microsoft must have cut it down a good bit, then tried to make money by putting it online to keep people playing it (think EVE but simplier w/ no plot and less player interaction)
TGIF TFE (Thank God Its Friday, Time for Eve!)
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.04.21 18:03:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 21/04/2006 18:03:07
Originally by: Cpl Puni5hment
Edited by: Cpl Puni5hment on 21/04/2006 18:01:43
Nexus screenshots look amazing... What to buy/demo 1)Freelancer 2)Nexus ...I cant pick.
Same question: 2 Posts up
Freelancer lasts longer. Once you beat Nexus, thats about it--you've won. Plus its older, and thus cheaper. It has LOADS of non-storyline content of all sorts, basically.
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Cpl Puni5hment
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Posted - 2006.04.21 18:06:00 -
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Edited by: Cpl Puni5hment on 21/04/2006 18:06:41
Looks like most agree that Freelancer is a better game over all. I'll have to try it out once I get some time off from playing EvE  Although Nexus does look pretty damn fun. Maybe ill just buy them both just to try for a few days 
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Cpl Puni5hment
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Posted - 2006.04.21 18:26:00 -
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Nevermind, Nexus looks better. I hate how freelancer you sit inside your ship to move.. I cant do that. Nexus ships models also look a lot better than Freelancers.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.04.21 18:28:00 -
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Originally by: Cpl Puni5hment
Nevermind, Nexus looks better. I hate how freelancer you sit inside your ship to move.. I cant do that. Nexus ships models also look a lot better than Freelancers.
Well obviously, as Nexus is about 3-4 years newer.
They're different games.
Freelancer is an RPG/space sim similar to Elite or X2. Nexus is a tactical multi-ship combat simulator, with a linear storyline and about 20-something missions.
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Cpl Puni5hment
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Posted - 2006.04.21 18:32:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Freelancer is an RPG/space sim similar to Elite or X2. Nexus is a tactical multi-ship combat simulator, with a linear storyline and about 20-something missions.
what?? you fly more than 1 ship at a time?? is Nexus hard to understand/control ships in space? Is it all 3rd person view? Can you learn the game in less than 2 hours?
This is why i always resort back to EvE... I already know everything...
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.04.21 18:40:00 -
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Originally by: Cpl Puni5hment
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Freelancer is an RPG/space sim similar to Elite or X2. Nexus is a tactical multi-ship combat simulator, with a linear storyline and about 20-something missions.
what?? you fly more than 1 ship at a time?? is Nexus hard to understand/control ships in space? Is it all 3rd person view? Can you learn the game in less than 2 hours?
This is why i always resort back to EvE... I already know everything...
Nexus is 3rd person and you can have 10+ ships in a fleet. Its not too hard to learn, but some of the missions can be incredibly aggravating if you don't know the trick behind them. Save often.
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Cpl Puni5hment
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Posted - 2006.04.21 18:46:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Nexus is 3rd person and you can have 10+ ships in a fleet. Its not too hard to learn, but some of the missions can be incredibly aggravating if you don't know the trick behind them. Save often.
Its so weird to here the words 'Save Game'...I havenÆt heard that in years. I'll try out Nexus and see whatÆs it all about, I am expecting to have a hard time getting things figured out.
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Valeo Galaem
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Posted - 2006.04.21 21:50:00 -
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Edited by: Valeo Galaem on 21/04/2006 21:51:58
Nexus can be pretty fun, and don't worry too much about learning the system. The first few missions are Tutorials and will slowly reveal features to you as you need them. You also gain command of ships slowly, so that's not a big deal either. I'm about half way through and only command about 4 ships regularly.
Another thing about Nexus - it can seem aggravatingly hard at times. I like to have manual control of the ships and often find myself fighting with the AI, or wondering why they aren't using the weapons/systems I want them to. Just remember that range and power availability are a major factor in when your crews will use which weapons.
Other than that I have to say that the dialog / voice acting is some of the worst I have EVER heard in a game. Though I get the impression that it was done on purpose. But the game play more than makes up for even that.
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Ominus Decre
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Posted - 2006.04.21 22:22:00 -
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Edited by: Ominus Decre on 21/04/2006 22:24:01
Hegemonia: Legions of Iron
(look at the screen shots!)
It's an RTS space opera. If you like EVE's graghics and immersion that I would recomend Hegemonia:LoI. The game is buggy and the only patch released did not fix some issues. It's about 3-4 years old and should be obtainable in a bargin bin.
You colonize planets, research technology, micro manage each planet while generating capital to construction defenses and warships. Planetary bombardment is pretty wicked when you have a fleet of Battleships hammering on your enemies largest planet.
Good game and it's a MUST if you like EVE or Homeworld. I actually liked it a LOT better then homeworld.
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Reldan Elli
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Posted - 2006.04.21 23:41:00 -
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Try Jumpgate, it's a 1st person sim kind of like Eve but it doesn't have the detail you get in EVE in the markets and such.
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Clevermonkey
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Posted - 2006.04.21 23:43:00 -
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What About JUMPGATE
www.jossh.com
The graphics are nice but what it has is a complete pilot based ZERO G Flight capability.
Get out your Joysticks Kids. this one is a ****er.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.04.22 00:25:00 -
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Jumpgate is ancient... and to be honest completely outdated and crap by modern standards.
Hell, if Vendetta Online is still around, that was certainly better than jumpgate at least in terms of flight physics.
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Mazzarins Demise
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Posted - 2006.04.22 07:41:00 -
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Edited by: Mazzarins Demise on 22/04/2006 07:42:30
Choosing one game over another just because of graphics isn't exactly a smart way to do it.
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Ching Ling
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Posted - 2006.04.22 11:49:00 -
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Hi Mazzarins, I agree with you. I think Gameplay is the most important factor for a game's playability. Games like tetris and packman don't have good graphics but are popular.
I am asking this question because I specialise in 3D graphics.
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Ching Ling
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Posted - 2006.04.22 11:54:00 -
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Thanks for all your replies. I like the graphics of Nexus and some others... but I still EvE is the best overall. Wow all these other games make EvE look even more impressive! 
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Jetzin
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Posted - 2006.04.22 12:10:00 -
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You can try www.vendetta-online.com, offers mmorpg where u control your own ship. Big pro compared to this game is that your to do what you want after a week of playing (most ships and such will be availble for you exept for the most elite ones) The big neg about is almost noone plays, 50 people if your lucky .
If your looking for a cool team space combar shooter, I suggest to visit www.freeallegiance.org, still has an active community and gameplay is VERY VERY intensive almost as good as battlefield2, COD2 and the likes.
Dont have a link for this one, but there is also freespace 2 a very complex online space game which still has a community supporting it.
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Jango Crowl
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Posted - 2006.04.22 12:51:00 -
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Originally by: Ching Ling
This is a question that is quite difficult to Google about, so I am asking your collective wisdom.
I am a fan of nice 3D graphics and space games. I joined EvE 2 weeks ago and was hooked like addicted to *****.
So I want to know are there other games with cool space graphics? I saw X3 and I think it has mode detail but I fall in love with the ambience and atmosphere of EvE. The level of immersion that EvE creates is unbelievable.
Haegemonia is a space strategy game similar to Eves gfx except its 10 times more beautiful, best looking space game ever imo. But its not an mmorpg and once you played it for a couple of weeks it gets repetetive and boring.
Imagine an MMORPG with Haegemonias gfx and interface but otherwise like Eve. Now that would be the best MMORPG ever.
Also there are several Star Trek games that has beautiful gfx and alot more advanced combat system than Eve. But they too arent MMORPGS.
Star Trek Online is in the works but the rumour is that there will be no PvP so it will probably suck pretty bad.
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Drizit
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Posted - 2006.04.22 19:19:00 -
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I tried X3 but that stupid anti-piracy thing keeps crashing my PC. Wrote to support and they said it was an issue with some PC's so I took it back to the store with the reply email and got a refund.
I'd like to see something along the lines of an Elite MMO with vastly more systems, newtonian physics and the ability to jump from place to place like Elite, IE: no gates to get camped so you have to find and then ambush anyone incoming using the scanner rather than just camping the only place they can go to get out of the system.
While the graphics are still good, Eve's game mechanics are starting to bore me TBH. Travelling anywhere is so boring because it's the same thing over and over and nearly 80% of this game is spent moving from one place to another so the boredom factor is starting to hit home.
The travel in Elite was more involved, plot your course, jump as far as you can and then refuel or jump again depending on cargo space/fuel reserves and distance. You could even run out of fuel in Elite and call out for a refueling ship at a hefty cost.
The only drawback was distances to stations from jump in points but that could be resolved fairly easily to make it possible in an MMO by using hyperdrive for ultra high speeds rather than using Elite's time offset or warping. Other players would be able to see you and fly to intercept and have dogfights at hyperspeed which they can't do in Eve ATM while you are warping.
Pirates would actually have to work for a living, corps alliances would have patrols around the system to defend it instead of just camping gates. More tactical battles would happen because each ship has different speeds in hyperdrive so a fleet battle would require initial intercept of patrols to clear the way for bigger ships to come in. Eve would actually seem a lot bigger without the need to make it bigger or as boring for travel if you could also dogfight in hyperspeed as well as sub light.
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