CCP couldn't care less for mining. If less players mine, the ore price goes up and some new players will get into minig again for ISK.

Also they made some of the mining barges specially for been ganked by low cost frigates. It's content for this high-sec gankers. If you look at the kills of such a ganker you see they went to low sec, got killed a few times there and they got back in high-sec where they feel safe and CCP provided some targets for them.

Ive been mining at a large scale.

i agree it relaxing... if u got the time and dont work, or is home sick... or sitting at work doing shite...

Mining is only fun the 100 first times u do it, then suddenly it hits u in the face With a shovel and u realize wtf ure wasting ur time on.

Mining is about as fun as watching paint dry while listening to grass growing on the radio.

Ive been mining at a large scale, but one thing drags it Down to shite... it takes forever. I dont have 2-4 hrs to mine everyday. Itsa f... drag. Usually i mine out 1 belt With 6 toons within 2-2,5 hrs. (1 orca, 1 freighter, 4 hulks).

From what ive seen, fewer and fewer mines now, it takes just too long. And New miners tend to be ganked as fast, cuz retrivers and covetors are shite easy targets.... so New miners are highrisk for just quit mining due to ganking and a everlast borring repetative mining. Also many miningcorps have trouble With getting miners to meet up when corp mining is issued.

At some point EVE needs to change the mining, either get T3 miners and with T3 orcas to speed Things up, or just reduce minetime or/and increase ore amount.

Something needs to be done to make mining more interesting and fun, cuz it SUCKS :D

Or we could just hide mines in asteroid fields for the unexpected BOOM!! every now and then.

Did I mention the mines can damage your ship?

An addition of a capital miner would be intresting. Assuming the ship beeing limited to low and null sec it would perhaps also bring more industry out there. As for the mining mechanics of this ship there should be a possibility to go into some sort of siege mode, from where it can acctually tractor in entire asteroids. An active pilot could perhaps use mining lasers together with the asteroid scanner to locate richer veins in the asteroid and trimm the "dead rock". With a long enough siege timer and high enough profit potential this might encourage some fun mining fleets and pirate roams to attack those.

We have Syphon Units so why not Syphon Lasers for the minerals in the ships-¦ bays?

New equipment that mines twice as fast.

Except Concord considers it illegal, you get a suspect flag for activating it.

So:

- More fun in highsec

- More profit in low, null, wormhole space

they made some of the mining barges specially for been ganked by low cost frigates.

It's content for this high-sec gankers. If you look at the kills of such a ganker you see they went to low sec, got killed a few times there and they got back in high-sec where they feel safe and CCP provided some targets for them.

you've just devalued mining for everyone, just to gank miners in high sec.

not quite sure this is actually a solution to anything.

How did you come to that conclusion?


'Everyone' is too generic. So let's assume people mine for 3 reasons:

1) enjoyment

2) make ISK

3) need minerals to build stuff


Now let's try to imagine how the option of illegal mining equipment would impact these 3 groups of people (remember, it's an option, you can still use the current equipment just fine):

1) no impact

2) more ISK if you're willing to 'up your game', less ISK if you're not. in other words, you can make more money if you're willing to 'outplay' your competitors. I assume this would make mining 'more fun' for some players at least

3) the most complex impact to imagine imo. I'm thinking the most significant impact would be people in low/null/wh mining more often. so more pvp opportunities maybe? would also give a boost to local industry maybe? many players are asking for that. finally, highsec ISK-making may indeed be reduced in favor of low/null/wh, maybe some players would 'migrate' from 'crowded' to 'underpopulated' regions, could be a good thing overall for the game

supply and demand. you've just increased supply which drops the price. there's nothing mystical about it.

also, your idea hasn't solved a single issue.

You're oversimplifying, a common mistake people make when attempting to analyze complex systems.

For example, you can't teleport minerals at zero cost. So more minerals mined and consumed in null could cause less demand for minerals (and/or equipment) in Jita.

This COULD result in lower prices in highsec, but... less demand + less profit with the 'safe old mining equipment' could also result in less people mining in highsec so also LESS supply in highsec.

So less demand + less supply = who knows what would happen to highsec prices?


OP was suggesting mining become less time consuming and more interesting, I suggested faster but riskier mining equipment...

except your argument falls down at supply = demand. that simply isn't true.

It is, unless you're assuming EVE players stockpile minerals indefinetly.

Every single unit of mined Veldspar either becomes Trit and then an in-game asset, or gets stockpiled.

CCP would have the figures, but I'm assuming total mineral stock fluctuations are much lower than total mineral consumption.

So supply = demand + stock increase (or - stock decrease) but stock increase/decrease is much lower than demand (and evens out over time), so yeah supply = demand.

I may be wrong, though, do you have different figures?

if i start mining more, that doesn't make people want to buy more minerals.
if i start mining less, that doesn't make people want to buy less minerals.

supply does NOT equal demand.

Erm... yeah, supply/demand equilibrium doesn't apply to Dave Stark mining because he feels like it.

But it does apply to the EVE universe as a whole, unless there are enough people mining 'for the lulz' (and willing to give away the minerals for 0 ISK) to cover total demand.