Trying to defend AFK Mining

Tell us, how many mining ships do you run simultaneously?

Are you afraid of your personal interests being in jeopardy here?

Tell us, how many mining ships do you run simultaneously?

Are you afraid of your personal interests being in jeopardy here?

1 and it's not even mining, because incursions make more isk than about 6 accounts would if i were mining.

i haven't defended afk mining once, i've just pointed out how laughably terrible your arguments are. you're trying to claim there are large swarms of afk miners, that simply doesn't make sense. if there are large swarms of them, things don't last long enough to be afk, if they are afk then they're clearly not mining so it's not an issue.

Come out to the High-sec Icebelts and see for yourself.

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The more I read from you, the more apparent it is that you actually have no idea what you are talking about.

Then you clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

Come out to the High-sec Icebelts and see for yourself.

How I described it, is exactly how it happens.
A large group of people involved in an activity which requires about 30s actions for every 30mins worth of AFKing.

They are large swarms. They are afk. The fields last hours to deplete in most cases, because though Ice Bets got reduced, they are still enormous.

The more I read from you, the more apparent it is that you actually have no idea what you are talking about.

I zoomed in and realized it was a wad of no less than 60 Mackinaws, all undocked simultaneously. All the same Corp. All toons founded the same day. They turned in lockstep and warped off in a wad together to the ice belt, and had it cleared out in about 20 minutes, leaving nothing for anyone else. My communiques in Local to them were not answered.

Disgusting.

Then its 30s per 15mins of afk on a pimp Mackinaw.
And 30s is generous, its more like 5s to offload to a vessel and retarget if necessary.
(But ofc you just let the 30s slide since it is in your interest)

And yes, we can spend all night here revealing your vested interest, though its obvious already.

As to what Krixtal pointed out, that is a problem stemming from the same root.

And yes, it takes hours for even a substantial fleet to finish off an ice field.
The 20min example from Krixtal is an incident that I personally havent observed.

False. The reason for proliferation of multiboxing miners is because it is so easy to do and requires very little activity from even one player. The risks are so small as to be negligeable. The characters also have very narrow and relatively quick skill requirements. The profits are excellent and each character can PLEX itself easily over the course of a month.

Its you who are lying when you try to present the problem with mining as anything else than the following:
Its too easy to do, while doing actually very little at all (ie:afking), the risks are negligeable, the profits are very good for 5s of activity every 15mins, and the characters quick to train and can fund their own plex.

It is exactly the ease of running a multibox mining fleet due to LOW INTERACTIVITY REQUIREMENTS (ie: 5s activity per 15mins required per account, rest can be afk) which makes it plausible. The profits are more than enough to plex the accounts and the effort required is tiny compared to any other simultaneous multibox activity.

except afk ratting requires both less interaction, and produces more profit.
so again; why aren't they undocking 60 ships at once?

So again, where in high-sec does afk ratting produce more profit than ice mining?

so now you're changing your argument and saying it's only because it's high sec not because it's low interaction?

So now your changing your argument that afk-multiboxx ratting is more profitable than ice-mining in high sec?

no, i'm not changing my argument. afk ratting is more profitable than high sec ice mining, i stated that from the outset.

Are you saying that high sec afk multibox ratting is more profitable than high sec afk multibox ice mining?

are you going to keep spewing random questions and hope we forget that you've been systematically wrong on every point?

Just answer the question.

In your view, is high sec afk multibox ratting more profitable than high sec afk multibox ice mining?

how about you read my posts for my views? i'm not going to repeat myself.

Just answer the question.

In your view, is high sec afk multibox ratting more profitable than high sec afk multibox ice mining?

in which language would you like me to repeat myself? it seems you didn't understand the english version of the sentence.

no, i'm not changing my argument. afk ratting is more profitable than high sec ice mining, i stated that from the outset

You havent answered the question.

You said this:



That is NOT what I have asked you.

I asked you this SPECIFICALLY.
In your view, is high sec afk multibox ratting more profitable than high sec afk multibox ice mining?

The difference is highlighted in bold. It would seem perhaps you simply misread or overlooked that distinction, for which I will give you the benefit of the doubt and restate the question once more.