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Clavius XIV
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Posted - 2006.04.23 16:58:00 -
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Originally by: Kamuyamato Iwarebiko Freighters are only able to unload materials without the support of a station.
My understanding is freighters can't scoop OR jettison, otherwise you could just use freighters to reful POSes.
As someone who hauled for an outpost, yes its a lot of hauling, but considering how small the CVA is compared to ISS it is definatly not someting that is impossible. Inconvient yes. More inconvinent than having a permanent enemy next door, having the constant risk of the outpost being captured in the future a virtual cirtanity, and alienating all the small corps/potential customers in Southern Providence? Highly unlikely
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2006.04.23 17:08:00 -
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Edited by: Rodj Blake on 23/04/2006 17:11:31
If the structures in the disputed system are so hard to transport out, couldn't the ISS just offer to sell them to the CVA?
But more to the point, am I correct in thinking that ISS continued to move materiel into the system after they were told that there was a problem?
It's almost as though the ISS doesn't want to find a peaceful solution here.
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Corrine Ashtale
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Posted - 2006.04.23 17:21:00 -
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If anyone in ISS has a carrier, that could alleviate part of the problem of hauling the materials out of 3KB, should the ISS decide to go that route.
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Ange1
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Posted - 2006.04.23 17:26:00 -
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War I say, its profitable
The Establishment is at your service...
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NurAbSal
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Posted - 2006.04.23 17:40:00 -
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I am sure CVA would love to help you move those materials from disputed system... Or even buy those from you - you failed to put outpost there today - maybe you should consider this a sign from The Almighty Creator?...
CVA is killing ISS members - i am doing it also - but its just wrong - CVA wrath punish only poor ISS members who have no idea and are not responsible for what happened in 3kb... Lets end this war - CVA wont withdraw from 3kb for sure and wont give up claiming it... so maybe we should choose another options?... I am not director, cant decide, but i look around and i see what is going on... This war is hurting both sides of conflict...
I am dedicated miner... I mine everyday - with my Tachyons... |
Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.04.23 17:43:00 -
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Why would the ISS sell materials they've spent months hauling in place?
"The Human eye is a marvelous device, with a very little effort it can overlook all but the most glaring injustice" - Quellchrist Falconer |
Gaven Lok'ri
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Posted - 2006.04.23 17:45:00 -
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It is good to see that ISS wants to come to the table. However I see no terms here that concede anything whatsoever to the CVA. Of course, what they do in private conversations is what matters here, so PIE will be watching and praying that the ISS do the right thing.
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Vandemar Croup
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Posted - 2006.04.23 17:46:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell Why would the ISS sell materials they've spent months hauling in place?
For it could be profitable. That is the Caldari way.
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2006.04.23 17:53:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell Why would the ISS sell materials they've spent months hauling in place?
So you've never hauled good to a station to sell them?
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.04.23 17:54:00 -
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Except ISS have commited to building 2 stations in Providence. This would mean that they needed to spend another 2 months hauling materials down for another. 2 months hauling puts the price of the materials up, WAY up and sets back the ISS sehedule significantly.
"The Human eye is a marvelous device, with a very little effort it can overlook all but the most glaring injustice" - Quellchrist Falconer |
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NurAbSal
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Posted - 2006.04.23 17:58:00 -
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ISS schedule? Yes... ISS are working to pay investors... And i dont think ISS will be able to earn a lot on the station in 3kb having enemy few jumps from it... Something like that isnt good for trade, you know?...
I am dedicated miner... I mine everyday - with my Tachyons... |
Manfred Doomhammer
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Posted - 2006.04.23 18:02:00 -
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actually, as i have previously stated, the closest system out of cva claimed space is 2 jumps away, wich would be dp-jd4
and there are other means on how this amount can be moved... especially with capital ships at hand, and a ceasefire in effect....
IF peace is wanted and that course of action would be considered, i guess relocating some mere 5.7 million cubicmetres of cargo is really not a problem... ----
Manfred Doomhammer CEO ShadowTec Inc.
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2006.04.23 18:14:00 -
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Airing your dirty laundry in public isn't going to help you.
You should all get out of the public eye and behind closed doors to sort this out.
Eve Blacklight Style
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Ka'lorn Font'a
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Posted - 2006.04.23 18:26:00 -
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Edited by: Ka''lorn Font''a on 23/04/2006 18:29:09
Originally by: NurAbSal I am sure CVA would love to help you move those materials from disputed system... Or even buy those from you - you failed to put outpost there today - maybe you should consider this a sign from The Almighty Creator?...
The problems today stemmed from undocumented changes in the Concord Guide to Laying Eggs, nothing more. (())
On a more humerous note (and OOC), a couple of my comrades did wonder how long it would take before the problems encountered were linked to 'signs'.
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Aralis
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Posted - 2006.04.23 18:29:00 -
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I have stated before that we would - of course - let ISS move their stuff out of our space in peace if they let us know it was their intent to do so. We are prepared to negotiate about assistance in leaving too.
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Krackerjack
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Posted - 2006.04.23 18:57:00 -
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Originally by: NurAbSal ISS schedule? Yes... ISS are working to pay investors... And i dont think ISS will be able to earn a lot on the station in 3kb having enemy few jumps from it... Something like that isnt good for trade, you know?...
Well seeing as the CVA are anti-ISS regardless, I don't think it will make much difference.
KDF-GY turns out a healthy profit, and thats based 5 jumps from CDC who are a far scarier and more capable PVP alliance than CVA.
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Krackerjack
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Posted - 2006.04.23 18:59:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
So you've never hauled goods to a station to sell them?
Well I'm sure if CVA had a spare 30bn they might consider it.
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Reash
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Posted - 2006.04.23 19:00:00 -
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CVA are not anti-ISS, CVA are anti-ISS in our space
Aralis may have stated that we do not want ISS in our space, which is quite true, we do not however have ANY problems with ISS deploying an outpost outside our space in providence in fact good luck to them with that.
If they build it in our space however they will have a lot of people shooting them.
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Krackerjack
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Posted - 2006.04.23 19:06:00 -
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It seems, and correct me if I am wrong, that the claim you have made on that constellation is not recognised as valid under the ISS charter.
Which makes things... interesting. Well, I wish you guys luck in resolving the issue. Together you could be a powerful and stablising force in Providence. Please, don't fight each other, its ultimately self-destructive.
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Reash
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Posted - 2006.04.23 19:13:00 -
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Originally by: Krackerjack It seems, and correct me if I am wrong, that the claim you have made on that constellation is not recognised as valid under the ISS charter.
Which makes things... interesting. Well, I wish you guys luck in resolving the issue. Together you could be a powerful and stablising force in Providence. Please, don't fight each other, its ultimately self-destructive.
As ISS policy stands an ISS force in our area of providence would only help to destabilise the area as the ISS could be used as a staging point.
3KB is not in the centre of CVA space its true which is why are eyes are not constantly on it, with an ISS outpost there pirates would make better use of the outpost than traders and other law abiding citizens, CVA and the local traders do not want this.
Something that hasnt really been the focus so far are the other corporations in the area that do not want the ISS outpost within CVA space, this is apparent by the fact that 2 of them have declared war on ISS, several others have made ISS KOS within 0.0 and even more have pledged to offer intel on ISS locations for those who are activly shooting them, it might be far from all the corporations in the area however having your potential customers shooting you is never a good thing.
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FowlPlayChiken
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Posted - 2006.04.23 19:25:00 -
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rabble rabble? FNORD!
Just podded this sig, now where is my toy? - Wrangler |
Tharrn
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Posted - 2006.04.23 19:58:00 -
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As you tried to place the Outpost first and *then* came here asking for talks it looks an awfull lot like you are just trying to buy time for a second try to state 'Sorry, too late due to a misunderstanding. Can we be friends still?'. Doesn't sound like a plan that will work.
Now recruiting!
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Minerma
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Posted - 2006.04.23 20:05:00 -
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rabble rabble rabble.....
Just blast CVA outta skyes and get over with. ISS's projects beneffit this game far more than this CVA whatever alliance that keeps whining over a lousy system...
I say show some "rocks" ISS and crash these whiners, too many words been said over this allready
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Zooish
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Posted - 2006.04.23 20:18:00 -
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Quote: As you tried to place the Outpost first and *then* came here asking for talks it looks an awfull lot like you are just trying to buy time for a second try to state 'Sorry, too late due to a misunderstanding. Can we be friends still?'. Doesn't sound like a plan that will work.
Just like the Pathetic CVA statement ... I want the whole of Providence ....
The CVA declared war ... I say nuke them and take their Outpost. The only reason they are throwing their teddy bears out of the pram is that they wanted to keep their own personal "cash Cow" running ... and don't want anyone else around that could spoil it.
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Lek'karion
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Posted - 2006.04.23 20:22:00 -
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Originally by: Minerma rabble rabble rabble.....
Just blast CVA outta skyes and get over with. ISS's projects beneffit this game far more than this CVA whatever alliance that keeps whining over a lousy system...
I say show some "rocks" ISS and crash these whiners, too many words been said over this allready
Well personally I'm always happy to take shots at folks when I'm being paid to kill them. But there are plenty of more fitting targets already floating around in that system that would make the place more pleasant by being atomized rather than CVA and theirs. I would never call myself a follower of all the politcs, but even I believe that there is much more benefit being brought to this region than taken away, espically as a source of an open market where even CVA could bring their goods to sell and boost their own economy, not to mention the possiblity for sharing their own spiritual thoughts with all the traders that will visit the station. It could rightly become an economic and spiritual mecca if this opportunity was explored more fully.
But on the other hand, Merc's don't get paid much for peace breaking out. So either way, economic/spiritual mecca, or war-zone. Eh it works for me.
FEEDING FRENZY ____)\___)\___/(___/(____ ____)\_____\0/_____/(____ ____)\___)\___/(____/(___ |
Beringe
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Posted - 2006.04.23 20:24:00 -
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Edited by: Beringe on 23/04/2006 20:24:39
Originally by: Blacklight Airing your dirty laundry in public isn't going to help you.
You should all get out of the public eye and behind closed doors to sort this out.
Yes, that's exactly it.
Take this to private comms, and keep it between those with the power to make decisions. Keeping it in the open like this adds posturing and jingoism from people that are best kept *out* of diplomatic negotiations. ------------------------------------------- "Never underestimate the power of language."
--Daitan Beringe, honorary director in charge of bottles-- |
Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.04.23 20:26:00 -
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Originally by: Reash As ISS policy stands an ISS force in our area of providence would only help to destabilise the area as the ISS could be used as a staging point.
In other words, true free trade is a threat to your cosy little world. Gee!
"The Human eye is a marvelous device, with a very little effort it can overlook all but the most glaring injustice" - Quellchrist Falconer |
Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.04.23 20:27:00 -
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Originally by: Reash As ISS policy stands an ISS force in our area of providence would only help to destabilise the area as the ISS could be used as a staging point.
In other words, true free trade is a threat to your cosy little world. Gee!
NurAbSal, and neither is settling for a far worse location for the outpost.
"The Human eye is a marvelous device, with a very little effort it can overlook all but the most glaring injustice" - Quellchrist Falconer |
Reash
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Posted - 2006.04.23 20:28:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell
Originally by: Reash As ISS policy stands an ISS force in our area of providence would only help to destabilise the area as the ISS could be used as a staging point.
In other words, true free trade is a threat to your cosy little world. Gee!
NurAbSal, and neither is settling for a far worse location for the outpost.
No pirates been able to easily refit/ buy ships in our space is a threat to my cosy little world
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Krackerjack
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Posted - 2006.04.23 20:31:00 -
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Originally by: Reash
3KB is not in the centre of CVA space its true which is why are eyes are not constantly on it, with an ISS outpost there pirates would make better use of the outpost than traders and other law abiding citizens, CVA and the local traders do not want this.
But Reash, ISS deny docking rights to pirates and the ISSN are effective against casual piracy - so how could this be true?
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