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![Count TaSessine Count TaSessine](/images/people/img13.png)
Count TaSessine
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Posted - 2006.04.23 12:11:00 -
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Regarding the disagreements regarding the ISSPO outpost locations.
The location planning and subsequent 2 months of hauling was based on information we received through talks with most, if not all, political factions in Providence, incl. CVA in the beginning of March.
A picture speak louder than a thousand posts.
The text in the box dated 11.03 is the totality of the message Aralis gave us regarding CVA's planned future expansion and thus what we had to work with for our planning purposes.
The flow in the picture illustrates how Aralis information was interpreted. If you would have read it in another way, so be it, but that's how we understood it.
Timeline
On April 13, after two months of hard work, all materials for the outposts were finally assembled in 3KB.
On April (xx), CVA ask us to remove a Starbase in L2xx system (which is inside the area we understand Aralis has claimed). This Starbase is totally unrelated to the outpost project. As per policy we recognize that an ISS corp have mistakenly deployed in that system and they take it down.
On April 18, Aralis claim ISS have invaded CVA space by building a number of Starbases in 3KB and refusing to move them. At this time we believe (perhaps mistakenly) that the CVA leadership is aware that they contain all the materials needed for the outposts.
On April 19, in a convo, Aralis let us know that CVA now claims the entire constellation 3KB is in.
On April xx, CVA declare war on ISS and let us know why through a post on the public forums.
On April 19, in a convo and a message in the forums, we tell Aralis that we can no longer move the Starbases. Our pilots have spent hundreds of hours moving the stuff and we're not going to ask them to move it all to a new location.
On April 20, an MC representative and Aralis have a convo in which Aralis voice concerns that ISS will stifle CVA's industrial ambitions in the region.
When we went and asked CVA about where they would like to see a public outpost in Providence, we assumed they knew what it entailed to build outposts since they built one themselves already. Hard work, planning. It's not something you go about doing on impulse.
As for the ISS Charter, there have been no breaches, nor will there be. This is ISS trying our very best to respect the wishes of all factions in Providence.
We ask CVA to consider this:
ISS is not an impenetrable 'wall' against your future plans. ISS is not a barrier, we only 'claim' the systems the outposts are in, and even so I am sure we can agree to CVA building POS in the outpost systems, should they so desire. All systems are fair game.
As an example, in Pure Blind, the FREGE alliance have build a great Starbase network around ISS Borealis, fully benefitting from the nearby public station. We have no problems with that. You can lay claim to systems and constellations beyond the ISS stations if you like.
The stations are actually there for the locals, and that does not mean ISS.
All we ask is that you put down your arms, and let this move forward the way it should. Together, CVA and ISS are a formidable anit-pirate force in Providence. Not working together is folly.
I'm not going to say who is to blame for the misunderstanding about your original claim. All I'm saying is that after April 13, when all materials were assembled in the outpost system, it was too late for a change of heart because the dice had already been thrown.
Please respect that. Let's come to terms now.
Chairman, ISS
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![Muadeeb Ousil Muadeeb Ousil](/images/people/img12.png)
Muadeeb Ousil
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Posted - 2006.04.23 12:19:00 -
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Nice info Tess'
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Sidyous
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Posted - 2006.04.23 12:25:00 -
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I would personally like to open up talks with you I have to wonder though where the second outpost is planned as obviously we know where the first one is going to be. This is a volatile situation at the moment and i suggest we get a conversation or channel going with some of ISS management and also CVA management. Contact me today and i'll see if we can come up with some agreement. Obviously something went wrong and one of the main problems seem to have been that particular system and constellation. -----------------------------------------------
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![ParMizaN ParMizaN](/images/people/img14.png)
ParMizaN
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Posted - 2006.04.23 12:35:00 -
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Seems very reasonable. Hopefully ISS and CVA can once again be friends and resume the defence of the innocent citizens of Providence and the surrounding area.
Phenomena of ironies, cast the litany aside How intelligible, blessed be the forgetful |
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Aralis
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Posted - 2006.04.23 12:43:00 -
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When I put my original post on here it was because you had failed to respond to my in game communications (yes I know you had exterior reasons). The same is not the case here you have made no attempt to contact me and this is publicity.
The timing of this post is in fact set to coincide with ISS attempt to put up an outpost in 3kb. To present the situation as "done - live with it".
Very clever map. Dishonest though. The right hand green constellation you say you thought we claimed is in fact in Catch and I was always clear to you that our interest was only in Providence. If you follow that the correct interpretation is the only possible one. The post you quote from me is not the only communication from me but a summary after our conversation.
The part about the placement of the POS and materials is straightforward lies. We have done sweeps of those systems several times since our initial conversation and they were not there. They were in fact still being assembled with additional fortifications when my first post was placed on these forums.
This is not an attempt at negotiation but to present us with a done deal. How unfortunate that your attempt to put up the outpost failed. If you do succeed we shall regard it as our outpost awaiting us to take possession. The matter will NOT be over. If you want peace you will not build in our space.
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![Serenity Steele Serenity Steele](/images/people/img9.png)
Serenity Steele
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Posted - 2006.04.23 12:59:00 -
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Originally by: Aralis The post you quote from me is not the only communication from me but a summary after our conversation.
That quote is a copy/paste from your Evemail 2006.03.10 08:35 to myself and the only time you communicated a claim beyond your sov. systems prior to our convo on 04.19.
I look forward to discussing this matter further with a wider group of CVA management.
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![Muadeeb Ousil Muadeeb Ousil](/images/people/img13.png)
Muadeeb Ousil
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Posted - 2006.04.23 13:01:00 -
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Aralis - Project Providence, exactly where did you expect the ISS Station to go?
You can't tell me as CEO of an Alliance you had no knowledge of the project, why wait until now?
Why didnt you simply say 2 months ago when the shares were released - Sry you aint building in our area.
Your personal hatred is judging your viewpoint over something that effects more than yourself.
Be proffesional and think about all the members within the Catch/Providence region.
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![Josiah Bleak Josiah Bleak](/images/people/img16.png)
Josiah Bleak
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Posted - 2006.04.23 13:31:00 -
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As a straightforward capitalist, I would *suggest* that this situation is resolved by the ISS making a donation in good faith towards the building of a temple towards the late Emperor - 5 billion isk sounds about what it would cost to build - in return for this piety the Amarr Empire might be persuaded to lease the system, under its newly expanded protectorate, to the ISS on a 100 year contract.
Everyone ends up friends, they get to work together to a peaceful pirate free Providence and I get to worship in a place with a cushion for a change. ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Josiah Bleak.
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![Rodj Blake Rodj Blake](/images/people/img16.png)
Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2006.04.23 13:41:00 -
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Originally by: Muadeeb Ousil
Why didnt you simply say 2 months ago when the shares were released - Sry you aint building in our area.
I think you'll find that the CVA did inform the ISS of their claim on the area where they are now preparing to build an outpost.
Dolce et decorum est pro imperator mori |
![Serenity Steele Serenity Steele](/images/people/img16.png)
Serenity Steele
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Posted - 2006.04.23 13:52:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Muadeeb Ousil
Why didnt you simply say 2 months ago when the shares were released - Sry you aint building in our area.
I think you'll find that the CVA did inform the ISS of their claim on the area where they are now preparing to build an outpost.
Then you need to reset your thinking. The timeline is accurate. Aralis informed of CVA's claim on the area in dispute AFTER the ISS prepared to build an oupost.
A total of 13 systems and heading "North" was not what Aralis originally communicated.
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![Parallax Error Parallax Error](/images/people/img12.png)
Parallax Error
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Posted - 2006.04.23 13:52:00 -
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Just to support what Aralis has put.
The map Count TaSessine has put up, whilst fancy is not accurate.
It shows CVA laying claim to systems in Catch. This has never been part of the CVA claim and it has always been clear that we are not interested in claiming any part of Catch.
I challenge anyone to check the area in the EVE map, its the NNLX-K constellation and is most certainly not an area of providence. Nice propaganda though, shame thats all it is.
Oh, and one more thing... and you have my sincerest thanks for putting this down in picture format.
"03.10 CVA Expansion (Evemail) Aralis: We now claim an additional 12 systems leading out from AY-24I to the boundries of Huzzah space filling in the very small gap and then out east to F-YH5B and 3KB-10"
Please note: .... out east to F-YH5B and 3KB-10
Now, we've already had more than enough posts proving the definition of the word "to". You have also been very well aware that the area the CVA is interested in lies purely within the region of Providence.
So to summarise.
1) You mistinterperated the CVA agreement by not accepting the dictionary definition of the word "to", 3KB-10 is mention specifically in the claim as one of the systems that the claim went out to.
2) You misinterperated prior knowledge on CVA operations, which I am well aware you were informed on, which states that the only region in this area we lay claim to parts of is Providence. yet you come out here now and try and pass off the wording of our claim to include a constellation in Catch.
3) Knowing full well that 3KB-10 was specifically mentioned in the claim and we were not happy about it, you go and continue with your outposts plans anyway. In the exact same system.
Conclusions:
Firstly, nice picture. Shame its all innacurate bullsh*t.
And secondly, ISS neutrality and their charter is all very well and good, until it bends under the weight of 50 billion isk.
PS:
How long do you think you can hire the MC for and still make a profit on this?
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![Serenity Steele Serenity Steele](/images/people/img8.png)
Serenity Steele
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Posted - 2006.04.23 13:57:00 -
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Originally by: Parallax Error
... Please note: .... out east to F-YH5B and 3KB-10
Now, we've already had more than enough posts proving the definition of the word "to". You have also been very well aware that the area the CVA is interested in lies purely within the region of Providence. ...
For future reference: 6 + 6 = 12 = The number of systems ISS originally understood 6 + 7 = 13 = The number of systems CVA apparently claim. 6 + 6 + 1 + 1 = 14 = The number of systems if you include ISS's understanding and your comment on 'to' means blah blah.
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![Rodj Blake Rodj Blake](/images/people/img16.png)
Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2006.04.23 14:00:00 -
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Edited by: Rodj Blake on 23/04/2006 14:00:52
Originally by: Serenity Steele
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Muadeeb Ousil
Why didnt you simply say 2 months ago when the shares were released - Sry you aint building in our area.
I think you'll find that the CVA did inform the ISS of their claim on the area where they are now preparing to build an outpost.
Then you need to reset your thinking. The timeline is accurate. Aralis informed of CVA's claim on the area in dispute AFTER the ISS prepared to build an oupost.
The timeline as stated in this thread does not include that fact that the CVA informed you of their plans in February.
Dolce et decorum est pro imperator mori |
![Serenity Steele Serenity Steele](/images/people/img7.png)
Serenity Steele
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Posted - 2006.04.23 14:06:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
The timeline as stated in this thread does not include that fact that the CVA informed you of their plans in February.
They didn't, the convo was 2006.03.09 - That is why we took the trouble to research the timeline and clarify the facts.
If anyone has a convo prior to that date on this matter between CVA and ISS that states a claim, I'd like to see it.
In either case, the issue is now for CVA and ISS to find a solution.
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![Gypsy Djinn Gypsy Djinn](/images/people/img11.png)
Gypsy Djinn
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Posted - 2006.04.23 14:09:00 -
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Originally by: Aralis When I put my original post on here it was because you had failed to respond to my in game communications (yes I know you had exterior reasons). The same is not the case here you have made no attempt to contact me and this is publicity.
The timing of this post is in fact set to coincide with ISS attempt to put up an outpost in 3kb. To present the situation as "done - live with it".
Very clever map. Dishonest though. The right hand green constellation you say you thought we claimed is in fact in Catch and I was always clear to you that our interest was only in Providence. If you follow that the correct interpretation is the only possible one. The post you quote from me is not the only communication from me but a summary after our conversation.
The part about the placement of the POS and materials is straightforward lies. We have done sweeps of those systems several times since our initial conversation and they were not there. They were in fact still being assembled with additional fortifications when my first post was placed on these forums.
This is not an attempt at negotiation but to present us with a done deal. How unfortunate that your attempt to put up the outpost failed. If you do succeed we shall regard it as our outpost awaiting us to take possession. The matter will NOT be over. If you want peace you will not build in our space.
I have every confidence that CVA shall stand strong and resolute on this matter, as faith and loyalty is a hard path to follow, and even harder to remain on. Never let coin, no matter the denomination or amount, stray you from your path.
While all of your enemies have not yet shown their faces, the Amarrians also have allies that they do not yet realize. Stand your ground and your faith and loyalty shall be paid off in more then coin.
V I R I I HeadQuarters http://virii.homeip.net
V I R I I - We Are Here For Your Daughters
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![Corrine Ashtale Corrine Ashtale](/images/people/img15.png)
Corrine Ashtale
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Posted - 2006.04.23 14:16:00 -
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FYI: I am an old EVE player that is just returning to the game.
I've been following this argument since CVA's first post about the ISS "invasion," and I have to say this whole thing is pretty weak. First off, CVA don't even claim the systems in question... they PLAN to claim them. I mean come on, you've either got the manpower to claim space as yours or you don't. It's pretty clear that CVA (and in particular Aralis) has operated aggressively in this whole matter. It doesn't seem as if he's interested in resolving this peacefully. It's almost as if he wants a war.
It looks to me like Aralis has been ****ed about ISS's new outposts for some time, and waited until the 12th hour to do something about it, instead of coming to the negotiating table in good faith. He's making a big stink now in the hopes that those outposts won't get built. This misunderstanding (if that's what it is... I'm not convinced it's not just BS on Aralis' part) about which systems were "claimed" (and I use that word in the loosest sense) provided the perfect opportunity for him to agress ISS.
I'm human and so I could be wrong in my interpretation of the events. But just so you know, this is the impression that these events give to a third party.
I realize that peace is in the best interest of all involved, but on a personal note, if CVA have in fact acted in bad faith... I have zero sympathy for them. If my interpretation of the events is correct, I hope MC and ISSN wipe the floor with you.
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![Maya Rkell Maya Rkell](/images/people/img9.png)
Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.04.23 14:20:00 -
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Faith and loyalty to a mistake in not setting up an agreement they could live with. A war they indend to wage on industrialists and any who are associated with them working to build the economy of the Providence region.
That CC and now CDC are declaring your cause just should give the CVA pause more than anyhting ISS have said. Consider who they are, CVA, and consider the naked face of ambition. Turn away from this course before you are paid in fire and flame.
"The Human eye is a marvelous device, with a very little effort it can overlook all but the most glaring injustice" - Quellchrist Falconer |
![Count TaSessine Count TaSessine](/images/people/img15.png)
Count TaSessine
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Posted - 2006.04.23 14:26:00 -
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Explanation to Paralax: Although we try to keep up with alliance politics, we did not know that CVA would only claim systems in Providence, and not Catch.
Chairman, ISS
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![Parallax Error Parallax Error](/images/people/img11.png)
Parallax Error
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Posted - 2006.04.23 14:31:00 -
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Originally by: Count TaSessine Explanation to Paralax: Although we try to keep up with alliance politics, we did not know that CVA would only claim systems in Providence, and not Catch.
Of course you didn't ![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
The fact that only ever Providence has been mentioned to you isn't a big clue? Or at least a great big warning sign to even ask before the POS went up? No of course it isn't because your now on a great big damage limitation exercise aren't you.
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![Redwolf Redwolf](/images/people/img12.png)
Redwolf
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Posted - 2006.04.23 14:32:00 -
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Originally by: Serenity Steele I look forward to discussing this matter further with a wider group of CVA management.
There is no 'wider group' for you to deal with.
Aralis is your sole point of contact on this matter.
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![Parallax Error Parallax Error](/images/people/img4.png)
Parallax Error
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Posted - 2006.04.23 14:34:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell Faith and loyalty to a mistake in not setting up an agreement they could live with. A war they indend to wage on industrialists and any who are associated with them working to build the economy of the Providence region.
That CC and now CDC are declaring your cause just should give the CVA pause more than anyhting ISS have said. Consider who they are, CVA, and consider the naked face of ambition. Turn away from this course before you are paid in fire and flame.
I do consider who they are, consider that The Priory, who are members of the CDC have a long history of clashing with us in Providence.
We have a long history of reasonably bitter conflict, and yet people who have this history with us and people who are aligned with our historical enemies in Providence are coming out in support of our principled stance.
It does say a lot to me, an awful lot.
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![Parallax Error Parallax Error](/images/people/img16.png)
Parallax Error
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Posted - 2006.04.23 14:35:00 -
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Originally by: Serenity Steele
For future reference: 6 + 6 = 12 = The number of systems ISS originally understood 6 + 7 = 13 = The number of systems CVA apparently claim. 6 + 6 + 1 + 1 = 14 = The number of systems if you include ISS's understanding and your comment on 'to' means blah blah.
So no answer on the fact that 3KB-10 is undisuptedly part of the claim and that your trying to pass off a constellation in Catch as part of our claim?
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![Krackerjack Krackerjack](/images/people/img15.png)
Krackerjack
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Posted - 2006.04.23 14:41:00 -
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Originally by: Parallax Error
I do consider who they are, consider that The Priory, who are members of the CDC have a long history of clashing with us in Providence.
We have a long history of reasonably bitter conflict, and yet people who have this history with us and people who are aligned with our historical enemies in Providence are coming out in support of our principled stance.
It does say a lot to me, an awful lot.
CDC are just sh*t stirring, shame on you for taking the bait.
CVA are better than that - ISS are trying to engage you in dialouge here, and you just resort to the same old tired arguements.
Why don't you engage them in return and try to move this thing forward in a postive direction?
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![Serenity Steele Serenity Steele](/images/people/img13.png)
Serenity Steele
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Posted - 2006.04.23 14:48:00 -
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Originally by: Parallax Error
Originally by: Serenity Steele
For future reference: 6 + 6 = 12 = The number of systems ISS originally understood 6 + 7 = 13 = The number of systems CVA apparently claim. 6 + 6 + 1 + 1 = 14 = The number of systems if you include ISS's understanding and your comment on 'to' means blah blah.
So no answer on the fact that 3KB-10 is undisuptedly part of the claim and that your trying to pass off a constellation in Catch as part of our claim?
Yes of course, including 3KB-10 (and F-YH5B by your same logic) would have meant a total of 14 systems, and heading North of A4.
As the original claim was 12 systems and heading east, 3KB-10 is not part of the claim.
The fact that the systems are officially in the region catch is neither here nor there, ISS respected Aralis' claim as it was written.
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![Mr Soto Mr Soto](/images/people/img3.png)
Mr Soto
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Posted - 2006.04.23 15:11:00 -
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You guys should really get a room and solve this in private......![Shocked](/images/icon_eek.gif)
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![Archbishop Archbishop](/images/people/img2.png)
Archbishop
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Posted - 2006.04.23 15:43:00 -
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While I agree with Aralis 100% that the CVA would never attempt to claim Catch I do see how looking at a map this could be misunderstood. Clearly though it was a mistake and as the CVA has so clearly stated they claim Providence space (never Catch space) for the Empire in hopes one day Amarr will expand I can't see how this was overlooked.
I will ask though as a shareholder in ISS perhaps where are the regions CVA and Huzzah DO NOT claim? While not having been in Providence lately I'm aware of the other "leg" of the region and the fact it is unclaimed by anyone. Given the ISS mission of taming a lawless land would this have not been a better place for the Outpost?
Someone also mentioned that the ISS Providence project couldn't move to Catch? I'll ask "why not"? If taming a lawless land was truly a goal to be obtained why not go to a truly lawless land?
Still I am heartend by the willingness of Count TaSessine to come to the table. While clearly a mistake this does need to be rectified. It also clearly displays the problems with 3D maps as what appears "reasonable" to one is completely unreasonable to others.
So what can be done? I will ask Count TaSessine how long would it take to move the POS materials and outpost materials? How many hauler trips?
I will also ask would the ISS be willing to change their regulations regarding letting pirates and terrorist Minmatar (in particular UshraKhan) using the outpost as long as they are neutral? This is as you realize a major concern for loyal Amarrians dedicated to our Empire. We would not want to see an ISS outpost used as a terrorist staging base.
Either way while flawed the map is a start. Clearly though the CVA has never had plans on Catch so the 12 systems mentioned by Aralis clearly do include the one 3kb-10 is in (next Providence system after the first one). The only question now is what can be done to preserve the peace.
Archbishop
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.04.23 15:55:00 -
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Originally by: Archbishop I will also ask would the ISS be willing to change their regulations regarding letting pirates and terrorist Minmatar (in particular UshraKhan) using the outpost as long as they are neutral? This is as you realize a major concern for loyal Amarrians dedicated to our Empire. We would not want to see an ISS outpost used as a terrorist staging base.
Sigh.
The CVA and PIE have talked about ISS violating its charter. I don't believe it has, so far.
However, THIS idea is in clear breach of the ISS charter and it is quite unreasonable to bring it up. The entire term "pirate" is extremely vague, and seems to be based on a NBSI RoE. However, most closed-space alliances also operate a NBSI RoE. And then you have people like us, who are sometimes labled pirates but operate a strict NRDS policy (we don't even shoot pilots in non-pod pilot lead corps unless they hang arround our ships and ignore requests to move on).
Given you have your own outposts in the area, I'd suggest just shooting your enemies where you find them and accept the fact that you won't be able to dock at the ISS station.
"The Human eye is a marvelous device, with a very little effort it can overlook all but the most glaring injustice" - Quellchrist Falconer |
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Reash
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Posted - 2006.04.23 15:58:00 -
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According to your own intel we told you we claimed up to 3kb..i just can't see the confusion here. That aside the point is what could be done about it now?
Well you say that you cannot move the outpost materials?
I ask why not? sure its a lot of hauling, but ISS has a lot of haulers with a alarge group you could do this in a few hours as far as i know CVA would be willing to allow this to happen and call off our attacks.
I think the real question that ISS needs to ask here is that is a few hours worth of hauling worth having peace with the CVA and a lot of other corporations or would you prefer to build and outpost that will constantly have the CVA and other corporations attack ISS based operations around it.
While you currently have the MC under employ i cannot see this hauling been a problem.
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Clavius XIV
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Posted - 2006.04.23 16:04:00 -
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Originally by: Count TaSessine
All I'm saying is that after April 13, when all materials were assembled in the outpost system, it was too late for a change of heart because the dice had already been thrown.
Please respect that. Let's come to terms now.
I admit I am not an expert on outpost construction so correct me if I am wrong, but I was a hauler pilot for the construction of the CVA outpost. Until the outpost platform is actualy deployed, all the materials can be moved the same way they were moved in the first place. Yes it would be a large undertaking, and would take time, but it is most definatly possible.
I will leave it to the diplomats to sort out as I can't speak for them, but I would not be suprised at the possiblity of CVA and its allies providing some form of accomation to ease the movement out of its space of the materials.
This material could be moved to a site that is very comperable in terms of trafic links (same links to catch), still in Providence, a mere 2 jumps away, and most importantly, not in CVA space.
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![Kamuyamato Iwarebiko Kamuyamato Iwarebiko](/images/people/img9.png)
Kamuyamato Iwarebiko
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Posted - 2006.04.23 16:35:00 -
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Edited by: Kamuyamato Iwarebiko on 23/04/2006 16:36:44 It has been said one of problems with relocation is the sheer volume of materials that have been deployed. Freighters are only able to unload materials without the support of a station, so the materials would have to be relocated in normal haulers. A fairly realistic hauler capacity for 0.0 operations for estimation purposes would be 10k m3.
I have heard repeatedly that 4,500k (4.5 Million) m3 of materials must be transported to the Egg between Anchoring and Downtime. Perhaps someone has a more accurate number but I don't believe this is far from the mark.
There are reportedly 4 Large POS heavily laden with weaponry. From personal experience I would ballpark the volume of equipment plus a moderate amount of fuel at 300k m3. Giving us an additional 1,200k (1.2 Million) m3 of materials.
Given my best understanding of CVA's newest claims of space the nearest system outside of that expansion would be 8P9-BM, which is 3 Jumps away. Hauling would be POS -> Gate to 3D-CQU, across 3D-CQU, across F-YH5B, and F-YH5B gate to POS in 8P9-BM. A total of 4 warps.
That is 5,700k (5.7 Million) m3 to move 3 Jumps. This gives us 2,280 'hauler warps' over 510 total round trips. As opposed to the 6 or 7 Freighter loads which deployed it.
This is simply a back of the envelope estimate of what the hauling volume is like. There are of course other logistical concerns. I believe CVA have pledged to leave any attempt to relocate unmolested but I imagine CC/CDC, various other Alliances, or just general miscreants might be interested with all the attention this project has been given recently. |
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