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Edward Sarum
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Posted - 2006.05.06 21:53:00 -
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 Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon
You started this, and you are escalating it. Maybe it makes you sleep your nights better, if you make us the monsters, but the fact remains, had you not engaged in hostilities towards the Republic and then towards us, Gradient would not be involved in this.
Now we see the classic Minmatar style of twisting things so they are blameless in their crimes. Our "hostilities involved a legal transaction, our escalation came as a response to illegal attacks on transports. However this in their eyes makes us wrong. We commit no crimes and seek to stop theiers and we are branded the criminals.
Dog the universe is not blind, your poor attempts at lies and spinning the truth are transparent and all see you for what you are, midless brutes and petty thugs.
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Edward Sarum
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Posted - 2006.05.06 21:54:00 -
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Edited by: Edward Sarum on 06/05/2006 21:54:16
edited for double post
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Telemicus Thrace
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Posted - 2006.05.06 23:54:00 -
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Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon
I would like to express my heart-felt thanks to all the parties who have openly or behind-the-scenes expressed their support to us in this time of crisis. It makes me proud to be part of this nation and these various networks of tribesmen and allies. I would like to especially comment on the unwavering loyalty and support by which our new alliance has stood by us, despite us bringing trouble of this kind with us. This kind of expression of unity truly shows that there is no evil so great that good cannot come out of it.
Thank you, brothers and sisters.
It is always a joy when the tribes come together. Sadly the circumstances do not allow our normal feasting.
As promised I have started the ball rolling with the creation of the Liberty Network. It is open to all Matari and anyone else that wants to see our brothers and sisters not only free but also gainfully employed and protected from the kind of foul deception that the Amarr have managed to come up with here. It goes without saying that any of the Ushra'Khan, Stormriders or Namtz'aar k'in administrative staff that are prepared to help administer these communications channels have but to ask and will be given access.
Regardless of that Thrace Inc have the means laid out, we now just call on the freedom loving people of the galaxy to sign up to the mailing list, join the comm frequency and work together to free our people. Apart from getting slaves to those pilots with access to treatment for them we also aim to provide freed slaves with access to reputable pod pilots that have genuine employment opportunities for them. We will also use the mailing list to compile data on who is trading our brothers on the open market so we can tell them about the Liberty Network.
Sign up to the Liberty Network today. Build a stronger Republic for tomorrow.
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Gaven Lok'ri
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Posted - 2006.05.07 02:38:00 -
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Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 07/05/2006 02:38:26
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Build a stronger Republic for tomorrow.
The only thing an organisation working with terrorist tactics will accomplish is a stronger stench of pointless death across the universe.
Nothing more. I would not suggest working with U'K or SRS if you wish to 'build a stronger republic'.
Nobiscum Deus!
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Telemicus Thrace
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Posted - 2006.05.07 03:03:00 -
[125]
Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri
Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 07/05/2006 02:49:18
Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 07/05/2006 02:38:26
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Build a stronger Republic for tomorrow.
The only thing an organisation working with terrorist tactics will accomplish is a stronger stench of pointless death across the universe.
Indeed. Please refer to my previous and unrefuted points that the only ones using and supporting terror tactics is the Amarr Empire. Attacking armed slaver convoys is not an act of terror because they are not civilian targets, if anything it could be considered an act of war. Attacking civilian settlements from orbit with chemical weapons or sending in ground troops to kidnap and enslave non-combatants is by definition terrorism. Your constant mis-use of the word astounds me considering how intelligent you seem to think you are.
In light of the fact that the Amarr Empire is a self confessed supporter of terrorism & terror tactics along with your Empires well documented history of spreading pointless death across the universe I wholely support the principle of your statement.
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Gaven Lok'ri
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Posted - 2006.05.07 03:16:00 -
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Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 07/05/2006 03:16:48
Attacking slave convoys in AMARRIAN SPACE is an act of piracy and terror against Amarrian CIVILIAN targets. The purpose is to scare Amarrian civilian traders into complying to your demands. That is terrorism.
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Main Entry: ter+ror+ism
Pronunciation: 'ter-&r-"i-z&m
Function: noun
1 : the unlawful use or threat of violence esp. against the state or the public as a politically motivated means of attack or coercion
Traders are NOT soldiers and our governments are NOT at war.
The fact that they are in armed convoys doesnt change the fact that it is an illegal act of murder and piracy for the purposes of sowing terror that is being accomplished by U'K/SRS and now Gradient pilots.
They are terrorists.
Nobiscum Deus!
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Rocius
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Posted - 2006.05.07 03:38:00 -
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As are you Gavin.
You, and all others that are supporting your slavery system are also terrorists.
I hardly think its a concept that is so hard for you to understand.
Then again, you are so brainwashed by that same dogma crap that comes from your entire society.... maybe you cant see it.
Hey, your emperor is dead.... at least thats a good start to the process of weeding out the upper levels of your society. A few more like that.... and you will be at least starting on the right path.
Rocius
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Telemicus Thrace
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Posted - 2006.05.07 04:31:00 -
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Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri
Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 07/05/2006 03:16:48
Attacking slave convoys in AMARRIAN SPACE is an act of piracy and terror against Amarrian CIVILIAN targets. The purpose is to scare Amarrian civilian traders into complying to your demands. That is terrorism.
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Main Entry: ter+ror+ism
Pronunciation: 'ter-&r-"i-z&m
Function: noun
1 : the unlawful use or threat of violence esp. against the state or the public as a politically motivated means of attack or coercion
Traders are NOT soldiers and our governments are NOT at war.
The fact that they are in armed convoys doesnt change the fact that it is an illegal act of murder and piracy for the purposes of sowing terror that is being accomplished by U'K/SRS and now Gradient pilots.
They are terrorists.
What a lot of rot. Traders are people taking medical supplies of food to those that need it. Armed men, on armed ships attacking innocent civilians then holding them against their will to face slavery and torture in the name of spreading your religious and political rubbish are not traders. They are hostage takers, pirates, raiders, murderers and terrorists. If anyone kills such men while freeing the hostages they hold the last thing they can be called is a terrorist.
If you want to see an end to your terrorist lackeys getting killed stop kidnapping Matari citizens. It's quite simple. Set the Matari you still have free, leave our space, cease attacking our colonies and your people can torment each other in the name of a false god until the Fedo develop a spoken language for all we care.
As long as you continue to use terrorist or any other tactics to attempt to force ideological and politcal change on us we will resist.
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Gaven Lok'ri
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Posted - 2006.05.07 19:09:00 -
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Slavery is not illegal.
It rather is the most legal action taken by men, it makes life better for the slaves. The enemy of the people held in slavery is NOT those enslaving them, but rather those who would come and murder slaves for the sake of 'freeing' them.
Second, as we are not at war with the Republic, I would suggest that attacking traders in Amarrian space is quite illegal.
Tell me, what would your responce be if PIE started shooting republic traders?
Nobiscum Deus!
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
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Posted - 2006.05.07 19:14:00 -
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An armed convoy carrying slaves is hardly civilian, Amarr.
That said, the question itself is hard to answer. We would be angry, of course - possibly beyond reason, like you seem to be currently. The real question is, would those attacks be done in reponse to some provocation we could affect? Could there be negotiations still?
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Elsebeth Rhiannon, Gradient, asst XO
"I am a weapon in the hand of fate"
Peace in a pod
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Ogmund
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Posted - 2006.05.07 21:17:00 -
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Legality? <Ogmund shrugs> Haven't you lawyers ever owned a dog? When it pees on the carpet you smack its nose ... not hard enough to injure, just hard enough to make the point that bad behavior has consequences.
1PG came to Rens and commited an act that they knew would anger every Matari. That was their purpose. They wanted a violent reaction. They got a violent reaction. The reaction was quick, of limited scope, and accompanied by an explanation. 1PG now knows that bad behavior has consequences and they should have left it at that.
You ask what we would do if PIE attacked convoys in the Republic. I can tell you what I myself would do. First I would ask "Why would PIE do such an uncharacteristic thing? What prompted this odd behavior?" After hearing PIE's answer I would proceed with an open mind.
When a man pokes a stick into a hornet's nest he should not be surprised or angered when hornets come out stinging. It does little good to call the hornets terrorists. The real question you should be asking is this: do you want 1PG crossing into the Republic with a stick in its hand?
1PG would do a much better job of defending the Empire by staying on their side of the border.
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Tharrn
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Posted - 2006.05.08 00:06:00 -
[132]
Originally by: Ogmund
They got a violent reaction. The reaction was quick, of limited scope, and accompanied by an explanation. 1PG now knows that bad behavior has consequences and they should have left it at that.
You have about 20 hours to trundle back into the Republic. Concord has confirmed the validity of our third war. Please tell your terrorist friends that line about consequences when they wake up in the cloning vats.
Originally by: Ogmund
1PG would do a much better job of defending the Empire by staying on their side of the border.
You will see us on the other side of the border a lot more often soon enough. Again a consequence of your foolish actions. Be proud - for you will be the cause of all losses inflicted.
Now recruiting!
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Rocius
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Posted - 2006.05.08 00:11:00 -
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Edited by: Rocius on 08/05/2006 00:13:21
These appear to be moot points at this time my brethren.
It now seems, that the true nature and agressive stance of the Praetorians comes to light.
They have now declared war upon Namtz'aar K'in.
It is now time, that they suffer in full, personaly for their actions.
As my brother Ogmund put it, time to teach these dogs a lesson.
I can tell you this, it will be no mere "tap on the nose", this is gonna be a full fledged, "beat that dog's ass"
That is all.
Rocius
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Scourge Drakonis
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Posted - 2006.05.08 01:27:00 -
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The Ammatar Fleet Reserve has been given orders to assist any PIE or 1PG ships discovered under attack within the Ammatar Mandate. You terrorist scum will not be victorious against the Army of God!
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Telemicus Thrace
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Posted - 2006.05.08 01:39:00 -
[135]
Originally by: Rocius
Edited by: Rocius on 08/05/2006 00:13:21
These appear to be moot points at this time my brethren.
It now seems, that the true nature and agressive stance of the Praetorians comes to light.
They have now declared war upon Namtz'aar K'in.
It is now time, that they suffer in full, personaly for their actions.
As my brother Ogmund put it, time to teach these dogs a lesson.
I can tell you this, it will be no mere "tap on the nose", this is gonna be a full fledged, "beat that dog's ass"
That is all.
So the Amarr are no longer content to just terrorise our civilians, now they go to war. It seems violence is the only thing these fanatics understand or even desire.
I wish the Namtz'aar K'in good fortune in repelling this foreign aggressor and their terrorist cohorts.
Rocius, we have served together in the past so you know where my talents lay and you know how to reach me.
Long live the Republic.
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Vera Nosfyu
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Posted - 2006.05.08 02:20:00 -
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Originally by: Scourge Drakonis
The Ammatar Fleet Reserve has been given orders to assist any PIE or 1PG ships discovered under attack within the Ammatar Mandate. You terrorist scum will not be victorious against the Army of God!
I am sure they are terrified. PIE/1st PG might have a whole one additional ship flying with them.
Please, stop with your bluffs, you're not fooling anyone.
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Stede Bonnet
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Posted - 2006.05.08 02:59:00 -
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Originally by: Vera Nosfyu
Originally by: Scourge Drakonis
The Ammatar Fleet Reserve has been given orders to assist any PIE or 1PG ships discovered under attack within the Ammatar Mandate. You terrorist scum will not be victorious against the Army of God!
I am sure they are terrified. PIE/1st PG might have a whole one additional ship flying with them.
Please, stop with your bluffs, you're not fooling anyone.
I am terrified.
Shakin in me boots, I am ma'am.
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Tharrn
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Posted - 2006.05.08 08:36:00 -
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Some day one ship will turn the battle and you'll stop laughing. Only a fool will underestimate an enemy. You seem to be good at it, which is not surprising.
Now recruiting!
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Smagd
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Posted - 2006.05.08 08:49:00 -
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For the record,
- albeit the topic of this dispute does indeed provoke strong emotions, and on both sides -
I still hope I'll be able to tell of this war as an honorable one to my ancestors.
It should be good seeing the golden fleet fly, even if only through the targeting sights.
So now that we are done talking, let actions speak.
Smagd
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Ricardo ilMagnifico
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Posted - 2006.05.08 11:04:00 -
[140]
Good to see Gradient and Thrace taking it to the CVA, damn slavers *spits*. I for one can't wait to fight side by side with you Tel and the rest of the Thrace crew. I know we can destroy these filthy oxygen thieves...
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
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Posted - 2006.05.08 11:25:00 -
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Check your facts, pilot:
As far as I am aware, Thrace is not entering the war, and neither is CVA involved as 1st Praetorian is not a member of that alliance.
Other than that, thanks for the sentiment.
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Peace in a pod - Liberty Network
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Aodha Khan
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Posted - 2006.05.08 11:29:00 -
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Edited by: Aodha Khan on 08/05/2006 11:30:47
I could not believe my eyes this morning when I saw the war declaration. I haven't been this excited since I had my war tattoos done.
Well, back to killing those Amarrian maggots again, I knew it had to happen sooner or later. My first pod kill shall have the pleasure of being the content of dinner served to my hounds. I can here them howling already in anticipation.
Seylaaa!
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Tharrn
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Posted - 2006.05.08 12:54:00 -
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See, we are back to threats of defiling corpses. Seems to be an obsession you have.
Now recruiting!
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Telemicus Thrace
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Posted - 2006.05.08 12:57:00 -
[144]
Originally by: Ricardo ilMagnifico
Good to see Gradient and Thrace taking it to the CVA, damn slavers *spits*. I for one can't wait to fight side by side with you Tel and the rest of the Thrace crew. I know we can destroy these filthy oxygen thieves...
Heya Ric, thanks for the assist the other night. It was good to run into Taters as well after all these years.
Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon
Check your facts, pilot:
As far as I am aware, Thrace is not entering the war, and neither is CVA involved as 1st Praetorian is not a member of that alliance.
Other than that, thanks for the sentiment.
Quite true, however where I live formal declerations of war are just a costly formality. I have no doubt if the slavers arrive on my doorstep there will be only the usual mindless violence directed first and formost at the women and children.
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
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Posted - 2006.05.08 13:04:00 -
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Quote:
Quite true, however where I live formal declerations of war are just a costly formality.
There's that.
Just I feel we need to keep the facts straight, or this will definitely escalate to an all-out conflict on both sides. And while there are pilots on both sides who swear in the name of that, I still prefer to try and work to limit the conflict as much as I honorably can.
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Ricardo ilMagnifico
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Posted - 2006.05.08 13:07:00 -
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Whoever's fighting the slavers ... go get 'em! Long live freedom!
Tel one day the Republic will come to it's senses and unite to destroy these disgusting parasites living on the corpses of our families and friends. Until this day we shall fight shoulder to shoulder...
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Aodha Khan
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Posted - 2006.05.08 13:11:00 -
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Originally by: Tharrn
See, we are back to threats of defiling corpses. Seems to be an obsession you have.
It is no threat, but a promise.
The treatment of corpses in this manner is specially reserved for the likes if your kind and has been done so by Paratwa from generation to generation. Obsession? Hardly.....it is part of our war culture and a ceremony which is done with great passion amongst some of the more hard-core warriors in our ranks. Much like your 'God' obsession, eh, maggot? 
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Tharrn
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Posted - 2006.05.08 13:24:00 -
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Considering that one of your many loyalties (if one can talk about loyalty at all) has been to the Blooders I should have expected that you eat the corpses yourself. Fine people you have there calling themselves 'Republic loyalists'. Any more mass-murderers drinking blood amidst your ranks?
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
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Posted - 2006.05.08 13:31:00 -
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NMTZ as a whole does not call itself Republic loyalists. We are none of us opposed to it, but some are suspicious of the current leadership enough to not claim to be loyal in the true sense of the word. We are, however, all loyal to the people, and do not wish the differences in political views to disrupt our (admittedly sometimes rocky and winding) path to unity.
Gradient itself, of course, remains as loyal as ever.
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Tharrn
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Posted - 2006.05.09 09:36:00 -
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As NMTZ has suddenly fallen silent an update will follow from our side shortly.
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