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Gazon
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Posted - 2006.04.23 22:28:00 -
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Edited by: Gazon on 23/04/2006 22:28:07
Tonight a 1st Praetorian Guard squadron comprised of three frigates, two cruisers and a battlecruiser entered the solar system of Rens in the Heimatar Region of the Minmatar Republic with the objective of acquiring new livestock for unskilled labour tasks at 1PG bases and on 1PG vessels. To the surprise of the Praetorians a sizeable amount of so called äFreed Slavesô were available on the open market and thus quickly purchased to be repatriated to their rightful place: As servants to the faithful.
Only a single member of the Ushra'Khan alliance, who are allegedly fervent enemies of slave trade, was spotted in the Rens solar system, 430km off the Odatrik gate, standing by and watching. Beforehand, distribution of the new slaves had taken longer than expected, so it is even more surprising that the task force did not meet any resistance when ferrying the livestock back to base.
Has the vigilance of the Ushra'Khan dwindled? Or are the 1st Praetorian Guard and their allies, who regularly patrol the borderzone between the Amarr Empire and the Minmatar Republic, finally getting closer to their goal of pacifying the area? Enemy density and average ship size indicate that it might indeed be so. If true, the law abiding citizens of the borderzone and of the whole Empire may sigh in careful optimistic relief.
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Vera Nosfyu
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Posted - 2006.04.24 03:16:00 -
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Last I heard Ushra'Khan was mostly working in the Providence region. Perhaps you should try doing it again over there?
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Halunoto Vankaalen
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Posted - 2006.04.24 03:23:00 -
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Why bother, if they can buy all the slaves they want in Rens?
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Archbishop
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Posted - 2006.04.24 03:33:00 -
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Congratulations on your successful harvest. I myself prefer the slaves from Pator but I have found some real bargins in Rens including the "buy three get one child free" special at the Brutor station.
It also pleases me to know these slaves who were "freed" have been rescued from a life of godlessness and returned to the fold of servitude to God and Amarr. They are truly fortunate!
Hail Amarr!
Archbishop
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Tar Kovsky
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Posted - 2006.04.24 03:39:00 -
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 Originally by: Gazon
Has the vigilance of the Ushra'Khan dwindled? Or are the 1st Praetorian Guard and their allies, who regularly patrol the borderzone between the Amarr Empire and the Minmatar Republic, finally getting closer to their goal of pacifying the area?
What happens in the Republic is the business of the Republic. I think you'll find that the Ushra'Khan has largely moved on and out, working with the Thukkers in the Derelik region to carry the fight to the slavers in Amarr, Ammatar and Providence. We grieve, of course, for our brothers and sisters you have enslaved -- just as we grieve for the billions more who they are joining. And we curse the accomodationist policies of the Republic that allowed this raid to happen and that hinder progress on researching the insorum cure.
There is only one word that describes both your despicable act and your subsequent gloating about it: evil.
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Halunoto Vankaalen
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Posted - 2006.04.24 04:06:00 -
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Originally by: Tar Kovsky
that hinder progress on researching the insorum cure.
Perhaps they are observing the fact that handling stolen goods is a crime. The research is not Hnolku's, it is intellectual property of Zainou Biotech.
Who knows, maybe there is hope for the Republic. Perhaps they will finally leave emotion and irrationality behind when they step up to the table.
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Edward Sarum
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Posted - 2006.04.24 04:14:00 -
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Originally by: Tar Kovsky
What happens in the Republic is the business of the Republic. I think you'll find that the Ushra'Khan has largely moved on and out, working with the Thukkers in the Derelik region to carry the fight to the slavers in Amarr, Ammatar and Providence.
So you are saying that the UK no longer represent the people of the Minmatar as a whole only those in the Derelik region? Interesting...
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And we curse the accomodationist policies of the Republic that allowed this raid to happen and that hinder progress on researching the insorum cure.
Do you also curse your own pilots that sat and watched this take place. One was in system the entire time and even sat 300+ KM out to watch us as we worked. Others where within 2 or 3 jumps and made no effort to stop us. Seems you curse the inactivity of others but excuse your own. Your attempt to twist blame on others seems to no longer be limited to the chosen of Amarr but now your own people. You have exposed yourselves for what you are, opportunists that speak of helping your people but do not have the stomach or conviction to act on those words.
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There is only one word that describes both your despicable act and your subsequent gloating about it: evil.
This was not a gloat but rather a statement of fact. There is however one word to describe that actions your alliance takes to back up it's words, pathetic...
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Eddie Gordo
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Posted - 2006.04.24 08:11:00 -
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As everyone knows the Ushra'khan is not aligned directly with the republic. Infact we are not even living in republic space any longer. Of course if we hear of such a raid we will rush to our brotherÆs aid. But we cannot however be everywhere at once and we are not a police force. We are an army.
You should be more concerned with the long term threat to your beloved empire than gloating over a single successful mission. Rest assured when your Empire topples those slaves will be free once more.
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Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2006.04.24 08:12:00 -
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Swim in your own filth slaver scum. We cannot be everywhere at once and nor do we ever claim to be. Whilst you obviously take sick pleasure in such acts as this, we are not the defenders of the entire Minmatar space.
However, I will note your lack of attendance at the raids we take to free our people from your space. Have the faithful lost their path and nothing more than slave traders now?
Pathetic.
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Gazon
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Posted - 2006.04.24 09:02:00 -
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You might want to take note of the last paragraph of my statement. The resistance, if you want to call it like that, our patrol squadrons meet on a daily basis is negligible. Your presence in the Amarr Empire is negligible. When was the last time that a cry for help resounded through Amarr space about a raid force trespassing on Amarrian space? It must have been months now. The supply run for our need of unskilled labour force is only an example, an opportunity if you so will, to point out that the fear once striken into the hearts of law-abiding Amarr citizens by Ushra'Khan raiders is reverberating fainter every day. The Empire these days is safer than it has been for along time.
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Eddie Gordo
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Posted - 2006.04.24 09:59:00 -
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Yawn. I say yawn because if I were to actually yawn you wouldnÆt get it. This is nothing but a thinly veiled propaganda stunt.
We donÆt need to explain ourselves to the likes of you. This isnÆt some b-holo reel where the bad guy reveals his cunning plan moments before the good guy breaks free and pops him one.
However to my brethren out then I will say this. If we are to have a permanent affect on the Empire we cannot also police the republic. Remain vigilant at all times and alert youÆre nearest fleet agent or representative if you spot any of these vile slavers in your midst.
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Tharrn
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Posted - 2006.04.24 10:20:00 -
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Currently you have an effect on two systems in the imperial province of Ammatar while your forces are bound in Providence protecting your assets from pirate scum and CVA attacks - as Gazon pointed out: the days of the U'K having an effect on the Empire seem to be - at least temporarily - over though. Amarr is secure, the Republic open for incursions.
It is understandable that you cannot be everywhere. Currently you are nowhere but near your assets outside of both Empires though.
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Eddie Gordo
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Posted - 2006.04.24 10:49:00 -
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Originally by: Tharrn
at least temporarily
Exactly.
At least one of you understands. I suggest you take this flame bait elsewhere and prepare you men. Some of them seem to have trouble standing up and dribbling without help.
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Khaldur
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Posted - 2006.04.24 10:59:00 -
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I am quite content with our purchase at the Rens slave market. Good labour output and remakable durability.
I can highly recommend that market. Might be worth to visit it more often.
With terrorist activity becoming insignificant in that area I can see a prosperous future for Rens as a slave trading hub.
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Soltha SIl
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Posted - 2006.04.24 11:04:00 -
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If you cannot see what the ushraÆkhan is doing right in front of your eyes then you really are beyond help. The star gates have been re-routed and the central Empire is now further away from republic space where they used to live. Your mortal enemy is creating a foothold for itself in your back yard and you crow on about a piddling cargo run. God help you all.
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Tharrn
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Posted - 2006.04.24 11:16:00 -
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Every pathing month without U'K in Empire space is a good month for the Empire. As the pirate situation down in Providence seems to be rather unpleasant and unresolved I am confident that the Empire spacelanes will be secure for Amarrian convoys for the future. That 'foothold' seems to be more of a 'foot shackle' really.
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Illian Deinar
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Posted - 2006.04.24 12:08:00 -
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Congratulations indeed...
U'K must know what their choices means. The republic is open area for incursions and a slave market hub...
Well done...
Praetorians as usual...
Illian Deinar
Manu Dei Religious Order
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Edward Sarum
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Posted - 2006.04.24 12:15:00 -
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Edited by: Edward Sarum on 24/04/2006 12:15:31
Originally by: Eddie Gordo
Of course if we hear of such a raid we will rush to our brotherÆs aid. But we cannot however be everywhere at once and we are not a police force.
I read this phrase and about rolled out of my commound chair. Let me again state the facts for those that feel the UK are heroes.
Your pilots did hear of such a raid, one pilot was in system while it happened and even took a long range seat to watch. You had at least 6 pilots in the immideiate area that I was able to confirm, all within 3 jumps maximum.
So while this transaction took place your pilots where in position to try and stop it or at least hinder it. Rather they felt a bowl of pop corn and a seat away from the action to watch was more worth the time.
You know I need to go back and read my logs. I do not recall who the Minmatar was that sold us the slaves but I wonder if it was not infact the UK doing it on the side to finance their little efforts in Providence. After all they made no attemtp to stop us and did not really raise much of a fuss.
It would seem UK is not the defender of the Minmatar it claims, but rather only the defender of UK assets. To the millions of Minmatar that have been duped by the claims and propoganda of UK, you may know know the truth.
Minmatar you have no champion to fight the Amarr, they skulk and hide. Come back to God, trough dedication and hardwork you could earn your place in God's grace for future generations.
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Eddie Gordo
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Posted - 2006.04.24 12:38:00 -
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Originally by: Edward Sarum
Edited by: Edward Sarum on 24/04/2006 12:17:42
Edited by: Edward Sarum on 24/04/2006 12:15:31
Originally by: Eddie Gordo
Of course if we hear of such a raid we will rush to our brotherÆs aid. But we cannot however be everywhere at once and we are not a police force.
I read this phrase and about rolled out of my commound chair. Let me again state the facts for those that feel the UK are heroes.
Your pilots did hear of such a raid, one pilot was in system while it happened and even took a long range seat to watch. You had at least 6 pilots in the surrounding area that I was able to confirm, all within 3 jumps maximum.
So while this transaction took place your pilots where in position to try and stop it or at least hinder it. Rather they felt a bowl of pop corn and a seat away from the action to watch was more worth the time.
You know I need to go back and read my logs. I do not recall who the Minmatar was that sold us the slaves but I wonder if it was not infact the UK doing it on the side to finance their little efforts in Providence. After all they made no attemtp to stop us and did not really raise much of a fuss.
It would seem UK is not the defender of the Minmatar it claims, but rather only the defender of UK assets. To the millions of Minmatar that have been duped by the claims and propoganda of UK, you now know the truth.
Minmatar you have no champion to fight the Amarr, they skulk and hide. Come back to God, trough dedication and hardwork you could earn your place in God's grace for future generations.
Tell that to House Torash.
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Kuma Angelus
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Posted - 2006.04.24 12:48:00 -
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Good job brothers, I regret I was not present. Perhaps God shielded our operation from the infidels so that we could claim what is ours by right of Divine Law.
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Beinrich
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Posted - 2006.04.24 13:03:00 -
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So you are saying that the UK no longer represent the people of the Minmatar as a whole
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It would seem UK is not the defender of the Minmatar it claims
We never were, never did.
I assume the concept of diversity is hard for you to understand.
Justz recently I stumbled over a rather disturbing misuse of the word "honor".
I guess youre haveing a hard time with minmatar concepts.
Much to learn, way to go.
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Graelyn
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Posted - 2006.04.24 13:09:00 -
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*slaps forehead and mutters profanities*
Gee, way to go! 
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Kuma Angelus
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Posted - 2006.04.24 13:18:00 -
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Infidels are not deserving of Honor, Honor is amoung equals.
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Kular
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Posted - 2006.04.24 15:24:00 -
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Excellent work on evacuating those slaves from Rens. I am curious as how on earth did you find slaves on the market there? I tried for months to sell mine by any means available, but the Republics security officials said I was not allowed to sell.. "people" in their space.
Eventually I had to mount my own rescue mission to bring home my 8000+ slaves.
You should have told me you we're heading there, I could have simply asked you to pick up some extra cargo
www.AegisMilitia.com
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Witch Doctor
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Posted - 2006.04.24 23:55:00 -
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My, how times have changed.
I remember over a year ago when the Ushra'Khan was making a concerted push to free slaves from Amarrian convoys in Empire space. Many of the Amarrian corporations and some of the very same pilots here dismissed the effort as insignificant in the overall struggle. When the powers that professed to defend Amarrian interests were called to task, the response was a blithe dismissal that the forces of the Empire could not be everywhere at once.
Now we see 1PG adopting the very same tactics abandoned by the U'K and waved away by their own comrades and even pilots as some sort of throwback to an era when both sides still believed in their government (in the case of the U'K) or had one (in the case of the Amarrians).
It's time to live in the present, boys. Abandon your Operation Metagame and face the threat to your fictional Empire directly.
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Ogmund
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Posted - 2006.05.01 00:41:00 -
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Legatus Gazon,
I'm curious about this "sizeable" amount of freed slaves you carried back to captivity. Did you fill the cargo holds of your six ships? If you can't give an exact head count an approximation in cubic meters would suffice.
Ogmund
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Tharrn
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Posted - 2006.05.01 01:16:00 -
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More than we could carry in one run using our combat vessels will have to suffice as an answer. They had all grown fat - 6m3 per unit of lifestock.
The whole message wasn't so much about the number of slaves returned to the fold but about how easy it has become to do business as an Amarrian in the 'Republic'. As the Ushra'Khan has pointed out they are not a pro-'Republic' defense force but so far they have always been the closest to being one as noone else seems to care at all - right now the 'Republic' has to rely solely on it's Navy it seems.
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Telemicus Thrace
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Posted - 2006.05.01 04:05:00 -
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Originally by: Tharrn
..The whole message wasn't so much about the number of slaves returned to the fold but about how easy it has become to do business as an Amarrian in the 'Republic'. As the Ushra'Khan has pointed out they are not a pro-'Republic' defense force but so far they have always been the closest to being one as noone else seems to care at all - right now the 'Republic' has to rely solely on it's Navy it seems.
Perhaps you would not find it so easy if you actually engaged more Republic ships rather than sneaking around using SCC loopholes?
You may want to contact the Electus Matari. They are defenders of the Republic, or at least they were when I was still welcome in their ranks.
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Sara'jh D'horne
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Posted - 2006.05.01 04:46:00 -
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I dislike both the terrorists and the assorted slaver scum, but I do wonder...
How can one be caught "off guard" if they were never guarding in the first place?
Makes about as much sense as saying "CONCORD were caught off guard today, as a large Guristas fleet entered H-PA29 enroute from territories further to the north, their goal: the safe escort and delivery of over 100-million units of Caldari Navy Dogtags, as well as assorted drugs and other contraband."
Yes, CONCORD doesn't like the Guristas, but H-PA isn't their concern.
Similarly...
Yes, U'K doesn't like Assorted Slaver Scum, but Rens isn't their concern.
No?
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Edward Sarum
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Posted - 2006.05.01 12:03:00 -
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Originally by: Telemicus Thrace
Perhaps you would not find it so easy if you actually engaged more Republic ships rather than sneaking around using SCC loopholes?
You may want to contact the Electus Matari. They are defenders of the Republic, or at least they were when I was still welcome in their ranks.
Sneaking around? I am sorry but you are showing the limits of your races intelligence. We Amarr do not SNEAK anywhere. Our presence was well seen and our activity well known. What SCC Loophole would you be referring to? The one that recognizes legal trade and traffic?
As for contacting this organization you refer to, why should we do this? DO they offer better prices on slave purchases?
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Dak Hakin
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Posted - 2006.05.02 00:05:00 -
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Originally by: Edward Sarum
Originally by: Telemicus Thrace
Perhaps you would not find it so easy if you actually engaged more Republic ships rather than sneaking around using SCC loopholes?
You may want to contact the Electus Matari. They are defenders of the Republic, or at least they were when I was still welcome in their ranks.
Sneaking around? I am sorry but you are showing the limits of your races intelligence. We Amarr do not SNEAK anywhere. Our presence was well seen and our activity well known. What SCC Loophole would you be referring to? The one that recognizes legal trade and traffic?
As for contacting this organization you refer to, why should we do this? DO they offer better prices on slave purchases?
No, simply a quick trip home for you where you may enjoy the new pink skin of your clone.
But tell me, are your hearts already black in your clones, or only when you jump into them?
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Tharrn
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Posted - 2006.05.02 00:27:00 -
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We just do whatever is in the best interest of the Empire. We don't expect you to acknowledge or even understand it - I have given up hope on the latter long ago.
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Kuma Angelus
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Posted - 2006.05.02 01:44:00 -
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Edited by: Kuma Angelus on 02/05/2006 01:44:40
Originally by: Dak Hakin
Originally by: Edward Sarum
Originally by: Telemicus Thrace
Perhaps you would not find it so easy if you actually engaged more Republic ships rather than sneaking around using SCC loopholes?
You may want to contact the Electus Matari. They are defenders of the Republic, or at least they were when I was still welcome in their ranks.
Sneaking around? I am sorry but you are showing the limits of your races intelligence. We Amarr do not SNEAK anywhere. Our presence was well seen and our activity well known. What SCC Loophole would you be referring to? The one that recognizes legal trade and traffic?
As for contacting this organization you refer to, why should we do this? DO they offer better prices on slave purchases?
No, simply a quick trip home for you where you may enjoy the new pink skin of your clone.
But tell me, are your hearts already black in your clones, or only when you jump into them?
You are not lost Dak Hakin, you too may return into the fold and accept the life God has chosen for you and your people. I walk the path of enlightenment, and Eternal Paradise, while you too could alter your path of ruin and walk this path it saddens me you continue to leap down the road of eternal damnation.
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Telemicus Thrace
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Posted - 2006.05.02 06:30:00 -
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Originally by: Edward Sarum
...I am sorry but you are showing the limits of your races intelligence...
Wow, that didn't take long. As ever the Amarr resort to hurling childish insults. I can't say I'm suprised really. After all you simply can't support your own Empire without resorting to slave labour from more robust and adaptable races. You are yet to even conclude who killed your Emperor, let alone got around to replacing him after almost a year.
I don't think this tired old dogma of yours is working, perhaps you should look at changing to a Republican form of government. It may have it's faults but at least we don't have to keep millions of people in chains to prevent it's complete collapse.
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Halunoto Vankaalen
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Posted - 2006.05.02 09:13:00 -
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Originally by: Telemicus Thrace
It may have it's faults but at least we don't have to keep millions of people in chains to prevent it's complete collapse.
No, people fleeing in droves like rats off a ship show the faults far better.
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Edward Sarum
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Posted - 2006.05.02 11:36:00 -
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Originally by: Telemicus Thrace
After all you simply can't support your own Empire without resorting to slave labour from more robust and adaptable races.
The SADDEST part is you actually believe this, you truly think we ensalve others for our own gain. Have salves is a holy honor and responsability. We are chosen to help bring these poor souls into a true understand of God. The lies that have been spread, the propoganda told have convinced so many that this is a selfish motivation and thus have caused millions to turn thier back ona chance of redemption.
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You are yet to even conclude who killed your Emperor, let alone got around to replacing him after almost a year.
The decision for the choice of the next Emperor is one of great importance. It is vital that those making this decision wait for clear guidance from God in roder to make the proper choice and thus keep the people of Amarr within God's divine plan. You do not rush God nor make demands but rather sit and wait upon His Holy will.
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I don't think this tired old dogma of yours is working, perhaps you should look at changing to a Republican form of government. It may have it's faults but at least we don't have to keep millions of people in chains to prevent it's complete collapse.
Yes your republic is a shining beacon to the galaxy, of how NOT to govern. Your own people are cast into waller, your goverment spends it's time on petty tribal issues and does nothing for it's people. In the chaos that has come from the creation of your so called republic you have created near invasion migration to your neighbors. Your own people are so desperate for a way to survive that THEY have become our biggest slave trading partners.
You said early we use the more robust and adaptable races, yours is the least robust and adpatbale of all the races, your failed attempt at self governing has proven this. We did not choose to enslave you but where directed to you by God. We come because you are the lowest and thus in the greatest need of the guidance of God.
Your race is the laughing stock of the galaxy, ebven your terrorists cannot get things right and act like petty theives. You need guidance, you need God's direction. Without this your people are lost. They will eventually be absorbed into the other races as they realize they cannot survive on their own and their idetny shall be lost. The few that do not run to others to care for them will exist as petty theives and thugs, not worth the effort to save.
With the Amarr you have a chance for enlightenment and to elevate your people as others have done over the centuries. Look at the mess your race is and know that God has not turned away from you, you have turned from Him. Your people can still return and be brought into the light of God.
OR, you can plod along as a truly cosmic joke of a race..
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Telemicus Thrace
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Posted - 2006.05.02 12:43:00 -
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The Caldari and the Amarr still bark the same tired old tunes at the ring of a bell. All is right with the universe.
Of course those capable of reading and comprehending will note that I did say the Republic has it's faults. But you neither read nor comprehend. You just spout the same tired, repetative, pre-recorded ramblings day after day.
The ability to view ones situation realistically and objectively requires a clarity and maturity that seems lacking in our galactic elders. The Matari people are ancient but out Republic is very young and that gives us strength as much as it gives us the odd growing pain. Our situation is far from perfect but having your native worlds nuked from orbit by a bunch of religious fanatics does tend to set one back a bit.
Yes, I can see it now. Roll out Caldari State approved response number four hundred and twelve, "We had a revolution too and did a lot better than the Matari". The thing is we were on the back foot in that war and only through our adaptabilty, tenacity and the assistance of the more enlightened members of the galactic community did we manage to claw our way to where we are now. Perhaps if we had been able to hold a "Revolution" in the form of stabbing a trusting ally squarely in the back we may have prospered as the Caldari did.
But please, pull out the old recordings if you must. It is those who can see and comprehend the changes going on around us who are the future. Those who cling to the same old dogma generation to generation have doomed themselves in an ever changing world.
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Darth Revanant
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Posted - 2006.05.02 17:47:00 -
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So you respond to amarrian dogma with your own oft-used, beatten to death dogma, then use said dogma to point out our use of dogma and call us unclear and immature for resorting to the same dogma, all the while failing to address any of the valid points brought up by your betters. We know you want to froth at the mouth over us, but take a page from that dog Khaldorn's book; don't try to be intelligent about it, just froth in your traditional style. That way you're at least seen for being what you are, which as you say is more 'robust'. Becuase we bred you that way.
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Vera Nosfyu
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Posted - 2006.05.03 01:06:00 -
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If anyone actually needs the flaws in Edward's logic explained, please let me know and I'll point them out. Otherwise I'll assume no one is stupid enough to agree with anything to blatantly idiotic and I won't grace Ed with a reply.
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Scourge Drakonis
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Posted - 2006.05.03 01:25:00 -
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Life under the umbrella of the Amarr Empire is significantly better than the destitute existence you have in the Republic. You would be welll advised to realise the error of your ways and accept your God given place in the galaxy. Perhaps, with years of toil in God's name you can be redeemed enough to assume a position equal to the Ammatar.
Until you accept God's holy will you heathen Minmatari will remain my enemy, and I will kill or enslave any of you unfortunate enough to fall within my gunsights.
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Ogmund
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Posted - 2006.05.03 02:13:00 -
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So, in summary ... several 1PG warships slipped into Rens, a busy commercial hub, unannounced and unnoticed to do some shopping. There they conducted a market transaction then left. Is this what passes for a gallant victory in the 1PG fleet? No wonder UÆK ignores you.
As a Republic loyalist I am less inclined to ignore your crimes. You illegally abducted citizens of the Republic and transported them into the Empire. Minmatar customs officers should have stopped you but they were apparently distracted or bribed.
I could respond by entering the Empire and buying some slaves and returning them to the Republic. But that would be expensive and unsatisfying. I have a better idea. I will enter the Empire this evening and begin liberating slaves from Amarrian ships. Hopefully I will find some of the Matari you took from Rens. This will likely take several days. When I can carry no more in my transport I will return home and resume my mining operations.
If the owners of those slave ships get upset I will tell them to send the bill to 1PG.
Ogmund
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Edward Sarum
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Posted - 2006.05.03 03:08:00 -
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Originally by: Ogmund
So, in summary ... several 1PG warships slipped into Rens, a busy commercial hub, unannounced and unnoticed to do some shopping. There they conducted a market transaction then left. Is this what passes for a gallant victory in the 1PG fleet? No wonder UÆK ignores you.
I am trulky supirsed at how hard it seems to be for Minmatar to be able to read and comprehend material. I will try once more to explain and use small words.
We where announced and our presence was seen and known by UK pilots. Our mission and purpose was public and KNOWN by UK pilots. We where not un-noticed their pilots watched from 300KM out due to fear.
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As a Republic loyalist I am less inclined to ignore your crimes. You illegally abducted citizens of the Republic and transported them into the Empire. Minmatar customs officers should have stopped you but they were apparently distracted or bribed.
There was nothing illegal about the transaction that we saw. Minmatar offered to seel us some slaves and we bought them. Your own people are our best suppliers. No bribes where needed they where happy for us to take the slaves.
As for your coming to Amarr to find these slaves, they are easy to find, all 1PG ships are carrying a number of them. We needed workers in the bilge areas to keep the ship clean. Please come to our space and I will be happy to give you some time to explain why you have fallne from God's gace and need to return, or just show you if need be..
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Posted - 2006.05.03 05:02:00 -
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Originally by: Ogmund
So, in summary ... several 1PG warships slipped into Rens, a busy commercial hub, unannounced and unnoticed to do some shopping. There they conducted a market transaction then left. Is this what passes for a gallant victory in the 1PG fleet? No wonder UÆK ignores you.
As a Republic loyalist I am less inclined to ignore your crimes. You illegally abducted citizens of the Republic and transported them into the Empire. Minmatar customs officers should have stopped you but they were apparently distracted or bribed.
I could respond by entering the Empire and buying some slaves and returning them to the Republic. But that would be expensive and unsatisfying. I have a better idea. I will enter the Empire this evening and begin liberating slaves from Amarrian ships. Hopefully I will find some of the Matari you took from Rens. This will likely take several days. When I can carry no more in my transport I will return home and resume my mining operations.
If the owners of those slave ships get upset I will tell them to send the bill to 1PG.
Ogmund
That pretty much sums it up. 1PG turn up in a trade hub where one U'K pilot is doing some shopping and then leave before a squad can travel all the way to Rens to respond. If this is what passes for glorious victory with the god botherers these days I may as well head over to Amarr Prime and deficate on some church doorstep in the dead of night. Then I'll declare myself the new Emperor on the basis that the entire Empire is afraid of me becasue the lone security guard was unable to stop me. Oh how the mighty have fallen.
You do raise an interesting point. It is a sick quirk of SCC regulations that allows the trade in freed slaves in Republic space but customs law dictates their transport is legal. I'm not sure and I am unable to check at the moment but I think the trasport of freed slaves is illegal within the Amarr Empire so our brothers are probably within the Republic still. Unless of course the 1PG broke Imperial law and transported illegal cargo through the Empire they claim to serve. Now wouldn't that be interesting news.
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Tharrn
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Posted - 2006.05.03 08:20:00 -
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It's not illegal and agents throughout the Empire even help to turn them back into proper slaves for sale.
Most people still didn't seem to get the point of the original message though, which is neither astounding nor new. Keep pounding your chests and looking stupid - it's what the whole 'republic' does best anyways.
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Chai N'Dorr
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Posted - 2006.05.03 08:50:00 -
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Edited by: Chai N''Dorr on 03/05/2006 08:50:19
Originally by: Tharrn
Keep pounding your chests and looking stupid - it's what the whole 'republic' does best anyways.
Monkey see, monkey do... the Amarr taught us well in the manner of chest pounding and looking stupid.
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Gazon
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Posted - 2006.05.03 09:50:00 -
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Legatus Gazon was sitting at his desk in one of the 1st Praetorian Guard's Forward Arming and Resupplying Posts. Reading the latest turn his recent announcement had taken he shook his head and sighed. >Well, maybe I should have formulated the title differently, it seems to be distracting the minds of the inferior races from the core message... Why do I even bother?< he mumbled to himself and switched on the recording.
I'll make it brief so as not to strain your minds with too many obvious facts.
1st: Ushra'Khan knew we were around, they had someone actively flying in the system and pilots in the surrounding systems. We could not have known that they were not active or that Ushra'Khan does not see issues of slavery as their concern any more. Point taken, we shall comment no further on this.
2nd: As Milis Revanant has pointed out, this whole dogma flinging business has grown a beard from here to Khanid. I am not the most religious man you will find in the service of the Empire. I am a soldier. And as a soldier I have understood the sole truth: The Minmatar race is inferior. Full stop. And I have serious doubts that they will ever reach a similar status as the Ni-Kunni have. As a warrior I acknowledge the bravery and fighting prowess of some of the Minmatar starship captains I cross blades with almost daily. But apart from that, what are Minmatars good for? Being slaves to the Amarr who then can turn their attention to the divine as they should, not bothered by mundane tasks that can be done by almost mindless beasts.
As Thelemicus Thrace so aptly put it, you'd never have reached your temporary freedom if it hadn't been for "the assistance of the more enlightened members of the galactic community". Knowing that the Amarr are the most enlightened race of the galaxy, where does that leave the Minmatar? No further comment necessary.
As a final note, Mr. Ogmund, know that - planetbound matters allowing - your movements tonight shall be monitored.
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Telemicus Thrace
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Posted - 2006.05.03 10:35:00 -
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Originally by: Gazon
I'll make it brief so as not to strain your minds with too many obvious facts.
That line is getting a bit sad and worn out now.
Originally by: Gazon
The Minmatar race is inferior. Full stop.
Then set our people free, leave us alone and work your own factories and tend your own fields. Face it, you need slaves. That is a dependancy, dependancy is weakness. Prove me wrong by setting our people free and getting your own hands dirty with a bit of honest work for once.
Originally by: Gazon
As Thelemicus Thrace so aptly put it, you'd never have reached your temporary freedom if it hadn't been for "the assistance of the more enlightened members of the galactic community". Knowing that the Amarr are the most enlightened race of the galaxy, where does that leave the Minmatar? No further comment necessary.
What is this, an admission that Amarr officers turned on their own commanders during the uprising because they had seen the error of their ways? no it can't be! It must be a feeble attempt to twist my words to try and support a broken argument. Reaching a bit now aren't we, I can almost hear the strain in your words.
Oh yes, it's Telemicus, not Thelemicus. Ta.
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Gazon
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Posted - 2006.05.03 10:50:00 -
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Originally by: Telemicus Thrace
Originally by: Gazon
The Minmatar race is inferior. Full stop.
Then set our people free, leave us alone and work your own factories and tend your own fields. Face it, you need slaves. That is a dependancy, dependancy is weakness. Prove me wrong by setting our people free and getting your own hands dirty with a bit of honest work for once.
The line that was criticized by you in the beginning of your reply may be worn out, but nevertheless true. I expressly explained myself. To formulate it as bluntly and frankly as possible:
The Amarr enslave because they obviously are superiour. And they do so in order to use the thus acquired livestock to free their own time from chores that can be done unlearned. Didn't your farmers use beasts of burden as well? Nothing more are the Minmatar, livestock, beasts of burden, to be used as tools.
Originally by: Telemicus Thrace
Oh yes, it's Telemicus, not Thelemicus. Ta.
Whatever.
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Telemicus Thrace
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Posted - 2006.05.03 11:04:00 -
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Originally by: Gazon
The Amarr enslave because they obviously are superiour (sic)......Whatever.
*smirks* Yeah, 'nuff said really. 
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Gorm Neos
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Posted - 2006.05.03 11:21:00 -
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Mister Thrace, I am not getting involved in this argument, but I must ask you that IF you really want to make a point, do it in a serious manner. Constantly saying that the Amarr repeat themselves and then start repeating that "we depend on slaves dear me" and we "cannot work for ourselves" is plain foolish. It is not even a reply to what is said to you. And in the end resorting to errors in spelling to win the argument, that's just sad. Really.
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Chai N'Dorr
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Posted - 2006.05.03 11:30:00 -
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Originally by: Gazon
Didn't your farmers use beasts of burden as well? Nothing more are the Minmatar, livestock, beasts of burden, to be used as tools.
Wow, and here I was thinking that the Amarr enslave because only that way we (as in the Minmatarr) can become enlightened beings as you think you are.
Your example is amptly put in the past tense. We indeed did, then we learned better, less brutal and above all: more efficient ways of using 'tools'. So, you're saying we're more evolved than you are?
Compared to your babbling, Rodj almost starts to make sense.
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Tharrn
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Posted - 2006.05.03 11:50:00 -
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Edited by: Tharrn on 03/05/2006 11:51:10
A history of severall millenia and an Empire spanning 40% of the cluster should point in the direction of the most efficient methods. And slavery is an integral part of both our economy and our traditions.
A history of some years and the 'Republics' citizens already running off to the Gallente Federation points at a large failure. It just proves that your kin is not capable of managing their lifes without betters who regulate them.
But we are starting to go in circles again...
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Karn Mithralia
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Posted - 2006.05.03 12:00:00 -
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Originally by: Tharrn
But we are starting to go in circles again...
Circles that won't be ended here ... or Rens ...
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Chai N'Dorr
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Posted - 2006.05.03 12:10:00 -
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Edited by: Chai N''Dorr on 03/05/2006 12:11:10
Originally by: Tharrn
A history of severall millenia and an Empire spanning 40% of the cluster should point in the direction of the most efficient methods. And slavery is an integral part of both our economy and our traditions.
A history of some years and the 'Republics' citizens already running off to the Gallente Federation points at a large failure. It just proves that your kin is not capable of managing their lifes without betters who regulate them.
I suggest you take a good look at the Minmatar timeline:
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18622 AD: Our distinct civilization develops on Matar...
Look further and you see trade and peaceful settlement, things usually ascribed by more civilized people. Whereas in your timeline we can only see war, war, and some more war (under the pretence of conquest and spiritual liberation of course).
Originally by: Tharrn
But we are starting to go in circles again...
Indeed we are, as once again we have Amarr posers *ehm* posters who dodge the arguments at hand claiming righteousness from past 'glory'.
Now all that's needed to complete the circel is one of 'you lot' tell me that nothing more (or less, or whatever) is expected from an Anarchist.
(40% of the Cluster, Tharnn? I think all those folks claiming the coloured bits fall under your pretentious Empire then?)
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Abram Sooldac
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Posted - 2006.05.03 12:15:00 -
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Edited by: Abram Sooldac on 03/05/2006 12:15:27
This is a most interesting read..
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Edward Sarum
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Posted - 2006.05.03 12:16:00 -
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Originally by: Telemicus Thrace
That pretty much sums it up. 1PG turn up in a trade hub where one U'K pilot is doing some shopping and then leave before a squad can travel all the way to Rens to respond.
Once again the Minmatatr ability to read and comprehend what they read is shown to be lacking. Yes 1 pilot in Rens, and 6 others in the surrounding system aall within 3 jumps. But then I guess we need to understand that the junk piles the Minmatar call ships do require quite a bit of time to make space worthy, so all the time we spent in the Rens system, close to 30+ minutes was way to short to let the hunks of trash get their reactors started let alone make 3 jumps to a neighboring system or even setup in one of the systems we would pass through which was even closer to them.
However three other theories spring to mind:
1) The UK has lied to the Minmatar people all this time and do not care if slave activity takes place.
2) The UK was using a third party to make the actual slave sales themselves and did not wish to disrupt an activity that was netting them profit.
3) The UK fear the Amarr when faced with any sort of organized effort.
So there we have it, either they are liars and salve traders, cowards are just incompetent.
Oh I am sorry Thrice I have used some big words there, let me put it in words you can understand.
They scared or they ships broke!
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Posted - 2006.05.03 12:22:00 -
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Originally by: Chai N'Dorr
Wow, and here I was thinking that the Amarr enslave because only that way we (as in the Minmatarr) can become enlightened beings as you think you are.
Well, maybe that is what most conceive as the ultimate goal of slavery, but I am a man of the present, and presently it seems that, as my fellow Legatus mentioned, the Minmatar people are unfit for self-governing and need the force of the Amarr to regulate and, where necessary, suppress their tribal, archaic, even primordial "culture". Your savage hordes are already invading Gallente space, thus destabilizing areas of an established, though immoral and aimless, galactic state. It is beyond understanding why so many can't see the danger of barbarians posing as enlightened beings remaining unchecked...
Originally by: Chai N'Dorr
Your example is amptly put in the past tense. We indeed did, then we learned better, less brutal and above all: more efficient ways of using 'tools'. So, you're saying we're more evolved than you are?
And what would you want the Amarr do with the Minmatar if there weren't tasks suited for their evolutionary state? They can be of so much more use if they become part of one of the most sacred Amarr traditions. And, I believe I've heard about it somewhere, isn't the Minmatar "culture" said to have traditions as well?
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Chai N'Dorr
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Posted - 2006.05.03 12:33:00 -
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Originally by: Gazon
It is beyond understanding why so many can't see the danger of barbarians posing as enlightened beings remaining unchecked...
Oh dear, I am forced to agree with you there! Though in honesty I think we are referring to different races.
Originally by: Gazon
And what would you want the Amarr do with the Minmatar if there weren't tasks suited for their evolutionary state?
Leave them in peace perhaps? I know peace is a very hard concept for a lot of your race to understand given your Amarr indoctrination of several thousands of years.
And indeed the Minmatar culture have traditions, some of them I am none to proud of. I can only hope they learn from them and better their society.
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Telemicus Thrace
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Posted - 2006.05.03 12:38:00 -
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Originally by: Gorm Neos
Mister Thrace, I am not getting involved in this argument, but I must ask you that IF you really want to make a point, do it in a serious manner. Constantly saying that the Amarr repeat themselves and then start repeating that "we depend on slaves dear me" and we "cannot work for ourselves" is plain foolish. It is not even a reply to what is said to you. And in the end resorting to errors in spelling to win the argument, that's just sad. Really.
Really? I won the argument? and there was me just thinking it was funny and ironic given the content of the statement. What is there to win here in this place? nothing. 1PG used a quirk of SCC law to purchase free men. A simple trade that has been manufactured into some sort of great victory over the Republic and the Ushra'Khan. This is a debacle, a joke, a farce. Or at least it would be if it didn't concern free men being taken in slavery.
My points have been made clearly, if the best you can do is to keep hurling childish insults rather than face them there is nothing more for me to do than either sink to your pathetic level or leave and deal with less pointless and inane actions than this 'argument' I have done the former and I s******ed like a cadet all through my supper. Now I shall do the latter and look forward to welcoming our lost brothers back into the Republic and to freedom when the time comes.
There is never any point talking with mindless fanatics. I remember now, I really should write it down next to my console.
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Tharrn
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Posted - 2006.05.03 13:03:00 -
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Oh, we face them every day, don't worry. The remark just shows how far you are detached from the things happening at the border. But it's always the people doing nothing who toot their horn the loudest here.
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Karn Mithralia
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Posted - 2006.05.03 13:21:00 -
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Edited by: Karn Mithralia on 03/05/2006 13:22:49
You may not see my brother Telemicus, slaver, but it does not mean he does nothing. It only means you are not all seeing and all powerful like that mythical god of yours.
Thrace Inc. holds an honored name among us. Not all men fight with guns.
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Tharrn
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Posted - 2006.05.03 16:06:00 -
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Traders and all those otherwise furthering the cause of the Empire are honored here, too, but everyone would be well advised to get informed before accusing others of not fighting.
This thread is full of the howling of malcreants who accuse us of announcing the public aquisition of those slaves as a 'grand victory' missing the point we tried to make entirely still. The slaves as such are utterly unimportant - the fact that currently noone stands up for 'the Republic' other than with words is. At least one should think so.
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Camar
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Posted - 2006.05.03 19:50:00 -
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Originally by: Tharrn
The slaves as such are utterly unimportant - the fact that currently noone stands up for 'the Republic' other than with words is. At least one should think so.
Should we then claim the same roaming freely inside empire borders freeing slaves as well?
Pointless propaganda and the same things still caught in the same loop as always. Perhaps the honest truth is that either side do not see much of the others cause there are not that many left in FULL active duty?
Actually, do not bother to answer either of the questions.
I simply do not care on what mostly goes on here anymore.
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Vera Nosfyu
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Posted - 2006.05.03 20:04:00 -
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Originally by: Tharrn
But it's always the people doing nothing who toot their horn the loudest here.
You couldn't be any more correct, Tharrn. In fact, you are living proof of that statement.
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Ogmund
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Posted - 2006.05.03 20:48:00 -
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Originally by: Tharrn
The slaves as such are utterly unimportant - the fact that currently noone stands up for 'the Republic' other than with words is. At least one should think so.
You are wrong. I told you yesterday what my response to your criminal action would be. Last night four Amarrian slave transports fell burning into the gravity well of Lisudeh IV - moon 4 after I recovered their human cargo. I notified the local Theological Council Tribunal to come recover the crew's lifepods.
It gave me no pleasure to destroy those vessels. I made sure their owners understood that this was a reply to 1PG's activity in Rens. Unfortunately none of the Matari you abducted from Rens was among those I set free. Perhaps I will have to look closer to Ardishapur to find them.
I will continue to conduct my search until I have as many freed slaves as I can carry or until someone kills, captures, or escorts me from the Empire.
The actions of one Matari miner will not, of course, change anything in the big picture. But neither will your abduction of Matari citizens from Rens. The best way for 1PG to defend the Empire's borders would be for you to stay on your side of the border. I would rather be home mining scordite and I would be doing just that had you kept where you belong.
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Vera Nosfyu
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Posted - 2006.05.03 21:59:00 -
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You're too soft, Ogmund. Shoot to kill.
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Tharrn
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Posted - 2006.05.03 23:58:00 -
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Originally by: Ogmund
Unfortunately none of the Matari you abducted from Rens was among those I set free. Perhaps I will have to look closer to Ardishapur to find them.
In fact you can find them aboard our ships now. Feel free to try to claim those.
As for Stormriders: Go sniff some more glue, monkeys.
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Telemicus Thrace
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Posted - 2006.05.04 00:09:00 -
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Originally by: Karn Mithralia
Edited by: Karn Mithralia on 03/05/2006 13:22:49
You may not see my brother Telemicus, slaver, but it does not mean he does nothing. It only means you are not all seeing and all powerful like that mythical god of yours.
Thrace Inc. holds an honored name among us. Not all men fight with guns.
Ah the noble Karn. It's been a while, you and your kin are always welcome in our halls.
The irony of this is that I have passed by a few of these very slavers in the last couple of days. I suppose the fact that they didn't see me just shows I still ain't lost my touch. 
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Ogmund
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Posted - 2006.05.04 00:25:00 -
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This link shows the destruction of slave transports last night in the Lisudeh system.
action in Lisudeh
Today I moved on to the Eredan system. I found a large convoy but my scanners showed only one ship with a significant number of slaves aboard. Although the convoy fired briskly they could not prevent the inevitable.
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Edward Sarum
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Posted - 2006.05.04 03:09:00 -
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Originally by: Ogmund
Unfortunately none of the Matari you abducted from Rens was among those I set free. Perhaps I will have to look closer to Ardishapur to find them.
I will continue to conduct my search until I have as many freed slaves as I can carry or until someone kills, captures, or escorts me from the Empire.
Ogmund you do not need to search for the salves I boguth at Rens, they are on all my ships. I am not hard to find, I am often in the Derelik region, in fact I passed you today but you ran from the system before I could say hello.
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Edward Sarum
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Posted - 2006.05.04 03:11:00 -
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Originally by: Tharrn
As for Stormriders: Go sniff some more glue, monkeys.
Legatus forgive me but like small children throwing a tantrum the "Drizzleriders" are best ignored. They can speak a great deal but are actually quite impident. By speaking to them directly you just encourage their child like rants that sound grand but have no substance to back them.
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Gaven Lok'ri
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Posted - 2006.05.04 03:26:00 -
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Quote:
This link shows the destruction of slave transports last night in the Lisudeh system.
action in Lisudeh
Today I moved on to the Eredan system. I found a large convoy but my scanners showed only one ship with a significant number of slaves aboard. Although the convoy fired briskly they could not prevent the inevitable.
So Gradient now supports terrorism?
God is with us.
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Telemicus Thrace
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Posted - 2006.05.04 04:14:00 -
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Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri
Quote:
This link shows the destruction of slave transports last night in the Lisudeh system.
action in Lisudeh
Today I moved on to the Eredan system. I found a large convoy but my scanners showed only one ship with a significant number of slaves aboard. Although the convoy fired briskly they could not prevent the inevitable.
So Gradient now supports terrorism?
Small detail, and I know you will ignore it but an armed and armoured convoy is not a civilian target therefore it cannot by definition be and act of terrorism.
Slavers raids on unarmed civilian colonists along the border are by definition acts of terrorism.
The Amarr Empire is the largest supporter of organised terrorism and user of terror tactics by any accepted definition of the term.
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Maggot
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Posted - 2006.05.04 08:44:00 -
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Excellent job Brothers.
Glad to see there are still people with spirit within the Republic.
I would urge you all to keep a close eye on the markets and see who else is selling our brothers and sisters like cattle.
Make their names public for all to see.
Maggot.
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
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Posted - 2006.05.04 09:25:00 -
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So Gradient now supports terrorism?
We do not.
But neither do we, or have we ever, supported slavery. In addition, buying the work contracts of free people from the Republic and taking them to slavery in Amarr is a violation of the Republic laws and of human decency.
For the record, brother Ogmund is acting on his own, but he works within Gradient corporation policy and his superior officers are aware of his actions.
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I am a weapon in the hand of fate
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Theron Gyrow
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Posted - 2006.05.04 09:42:00 -
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Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon
In addition, buying the work contracts of free people from the Republic and taking them to slavery in Amarr is a violation of the Republic laws and of human decency.
I am not well versed in Amarr law, but I would think that this would be at least a breach of contract according to it as well. Or are you paying for them to pretend to be slaves for cheap propaganda? What do their real, official papers say?
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Tharrn
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Posted - 2006.05.04 13:13:00 -
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Buying Freed Slaves in the Republic is totally legal. Maybe you should better wonder why your kin are selling them. Re-enslaving them via agents in the Empire is even encouraged.
Ogmund may be acting on his own but as you might be aware he is operating in Concord protected areas only, leaving us exactly one option to dislodge him from the Empire via the Cloning Vats. This option is currently under evaluation - if we should decide to invest the rather huge sum the Concord miscreants demand you can be sure that we'll make good use of all involved possibilities. Ogmund is already under constant observation.
For the time being this will be the final communication on this matter.
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
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Posted - 2006.05.04 13:33:00 -
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You come to the Republic, take our free people into slavery, claiming it is "perfectly legal" in the Republic based on how the market works. Well, we could as well claim that what Ogmund is doing is "perfectly legal" in Amarr, based on the fact that (as you point out) CONCORD does not give a damn.
Other than that, I will refrain from comments before I have had the chance to discuss this further internally.
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I am a weapon in the hand of fate
Peace in a pod
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Rocius
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Posted - 2006.05.04 16:55:00 -
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I have little to say on this topic to you Amarrian slavers, yet let it be known, that Ogmund does indeed work with my full knowledge as to his actions. Furthermore, I personaly support his steps on this matter. If you want to spend your isk, come to my home, and trick laborers into being hired by you, then spirit them away, I will come for them. For every time I hear of your actions inside the Republic, I will revisit those actions ten fold in YOUR home. Not only will I free my kin, but will be sure that the lives of those transporting them are forfeit as well.
You can "observe" me all you damn well please.
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Pacal Balan
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Posted - 2006.05.04 23:58:00 -
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*Pacal simply smiles at brother Rocius words*
Tis a shame these darkened amarr maggots haven't understood yet my brother... that is all that needs to be said.
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Telemicus Thrace
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Posted - 2006.05.05 01:30:00 -
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Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon
...buying the work contracts of free people from the Republic and taking them to slavery in Amarr is a violation of the Republic laws and of human decency...
The problem is that the transiant worker contracts available on the market are legal in both the Republic and the Empire. The actual act of enslaving these workers is done within the Empire where our laws do no apply. Inter-Faction laws are spartan at best given the tenuous nature of the Yulai Accord. I fully agree with your sentiments but this is indeed not an unlawful act no matter how unjust.
I have a solution and I will prepare an official announcent on local channels when I return to Republic space. Just as the Ushra'Khan are willing to take care of transporting our enslaved brothers to freedom I would like to propose steps to protect our brothers once they are free.
Thrace Inc and any other reputable Republican group who wishes to render assistance should seek to control the flow of worker contracts. Instead of trading freed slaves work contracts on the open market I put it to the citizens of the Republic to transfer freed slave contracts to Thrace Inc and other members of this labour consortium. Just as we cannot pay for every contract tranfered to us we will provide these workers to any reputable Matari organisation that has work for them without any charge.
In time I'm sure we can develop a network of groups who can provide slaves to those who can free them and in turn pass the details on to those who can find them work. Or I should say develop a larger network than the one that already exists.
I am sure it will also be of benefit to publicly identify those who sell worker contracts to slavers. I will attend to both matters once I get back to the Republic.
>> RECRUITING << |
Gaven Lok'ri
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Posted - 2006.05.05 04:17:00 -
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Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 05/05/2006 04:17:43
Gradients new alliegence to terrorism and warmongering through the means of their support of the wanton murder of Amarrian civilians and the destruction and theft of Amarrian property by Gradient pilots has been noted.
Standings will be changed accordingly and if necessary more drastic measures will be taken.
I suggest Gradient should look to the needs of its Republic before supporting any more such warmongering agression against the peaceful civilians of the Empire.
Nobiscum Deus!
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Rocius
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Posted - 2006.05.05 04:49:00 -
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Edited by: Rocius on 05/05/2006 04:55:10
Perhaps PIE should mind its own damn buisness. Or keep 1PG on a tighter leash. Gradient works for a stronger Republic, thats what we are, but you come into MY HOUSE, take MY PEOPLE, and think I will have us stande idle as you do it, then you are indeed, much less inteligent than I previously thought.
I would say that we are going to set our standings accordingly as well... but hell..... is there a setting lower for you anyway?? I think not.
As far as Gradient supporting terrorism, no we do not support it. I would never advocate orbital bombardment of your planets civilian populations. I would never support biological or chemical warefare on civilian targets. That is terrorism. Oh, wait... Vitoc.... thats chemical.... I wonder where that is used. Thats why I have no issue going after your transport ships, that is simply returning my people to their homes. And the crew of those ships lost... if they wanted a safe job, they should have not signed aboard slaver ships. They are NOT innocent civilians.
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
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Posted - 2006.05.05 08:02:00 -
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Thrace, wise as always, and I am afraid your legal analysis does indeed hold. Though, I still doubt the people involved would have entered the slaver ships had they known of this little legal twist in stock for them - at least some kind of deception is at work and it might just fit the description of kidnapping.
Not that the legal finer points are the real issue here.
We need to talk, again; your plans sound very much like some of ours.
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Elsebeth Rhiannon, Gradient, asst XO
"I am a weapon in the hand of fate"
Peace in a pod
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Smagd
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Posted - 2006.05.05 08:55:00 -
[85]
Sigma now,
Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon
[...] taking them to slavery in Amarr is a violation [...] of human decency
Yes it is. I've met more than an endurable amount of dazzled stares of dawning relief on the faces of such poor people, found on military convoys deep in Almur. And if the Republic Fleet agents are not lying, that kind or presence is indeed unlawful.
Who cannot feel compelled to help those people? Those humans?
Those are not just a symbol on your Neocom with a little skull. These are Vherokior, these are Brutor, these are Sebiestor, and, less frequently, Thukker brethren, and all with their own gruesome stories. I've even found a Nefantar.
The only one you'll never again find are Starkmanir.
Some of those I could accept into my crew with decent pay and ample liberties, and many a Sebiestor has found a way into my station offices. Some went to the Republic Fleet's own academies, and let me tell you, there is nothing more refreshing as witnessing such restored order: having a new flock of science graduates board your ship eager to be taken to Hek, to work for Boundless Creations on new Sleipnir designs, or to E02-IK to improve the Jaguar's speed for Thukker Mix.
Listen to them now! They're full of life, and vivid.
Originally by: Telemicus Thrace
Thrace Inc and any other reputable Republican group who wishes to render assistance should seek to control the flow of worker contracts. Instead of trading freed slaves work contracts on the open market I put it to the citizens of the Republic to transfer freed slave contracts to Thrace Inc and other members of this labour consortium. Just as we cannot pay for every contract tranfered to us we will provide these workers to any reputable Matari organisation that has work for them without any charge.
In time I'm sure we can develop a network of groups who can provide slaves to those who can free them and in turn pass the details on to those who can find them work. Or I should say develop a larger network than the one that already exists.
I am sure it will also be of benefit to publicly identify those who sell worker contracts to slavers. I will attend to both matters once I get back to the Republic.
People, listen to this man. I'll see what I can do for you, Thelemicus.
After all that, and forgive me if I'm sounding a bit long-winded, but that Whiskey yesterday had a great shine:
Fly far.
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Masim
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Posted - 2006.05.05 10:57:00 -
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Edited by: Masim on 05/05/2006 11:00:12
Originally by: Telemicus Thrace
The problem is that the transiant worker contracts available on the market are legal in both the Republic and the Empire. The actual act of enslaving these workers is done within the Empire where our laws do no apply. Inter-Faction laws are spartan at best given the tenuous nature of the Yulai Accord. I fully agree with your sentiments but this is indeed not an unlawful act no matter how unjust.
I am no lawyer, but somehow this reasoning is not right. Allow me to explain.
A contract needs to be signed by both parties for it to be legal. Also, leaving vital information out of a contract is concerned illegal according to Republic law.
In this case, buying the contracts on open market is legal. As is enslaving people in Amarr (since it is done by their law, not the Republic law). However I am sure that the poor workers contracts do not include their destination, if they would there would be no contracts, since the former slaves would *not* sign them. And forcing people to sign papers is also illegal in the Republic.
This is a breach of contract and trust. It is illegal by Republic law.
Buying the contracts is not against the law. Transporting people out of the Republic against their will is.
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Edward Sarum
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Posted - 2006.05.05 12:30:00 -
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The ability of the Minmatar to rationalize their crimes is truly amazing. A perfectly legal prucahse which by the way was made from a Minmatar corporation and was sanctioned by their so called republic is something to be agast at and requires a response.
The illegal action of attacking civilian shipping and stealing their legal property is however a good thing, but YET they claim to not support terrorism. Okay so you are petty pirate thugs then?
In either case you do not support the very laws of your own people and yet want everyone to see you as some kind of hero's. Truly pathetic...
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
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Posted - 2006.05.05 12:36:00 -
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Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon on 05/05/2006 12:36:27
Gradient does not in general approve of attacking non-hostile convoys.
Ogmund's operation here is a one-time special reaction to a provocation by 1st Praetorian Guard; namely the provocation of "acquiring" free people from Minmatar under the veil of the intricacies of international market law.
You can put an end to this uncivility very simply: return the people mentioned in the first post of this thread, and we will immeditely order our pilots to stand down with their "re-acquisition" operations.
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Elsebeth Rhiannon, Gradient, asst XO
"I am a weapon in the hand of fate"
Peace in a pod
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Tharrn
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Posted - 2006.05.05 12:47:00 -
[89]
You have about two days to leave Amarr space. Failure to stop your activities in Devoid will result in Concord no longer protecting you. The papers have been filed and just need to be signed.
This will be a one-time short campaign as a direct result of Ogmund's actions unless you decide to formalize a war. In contrast to your terrorist forces we never broke Republic Laws - although I have to admit that, quite frankly, I wouldn't care if we'd do as your 'Republic' is not a proper state and still not accepted as sovereign entity by the Empire.
Now recruiting!
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
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Posted - 2006.05.05 12:58:00 -
[90]
Gradient holds that the action of kidnapping free people - regardless of the way how they entered your custody - into slavery in Amarr is a breach of the spirit of the Republic laws.
Gradient pilots are free to fly any area of space of their choosing.
Pilot Ogmund's actions are not in violation of Gradient corporation policy.
Your threats and your legal twisting of words do not change these facts.
See you in space, pilots.
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Elsebeth Rhiannon, Gradient, asst XO
"I am a weapon in the hand of fate"
Peace in a pod
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Gaven Lok'ri
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Posted - 2006.05.05 13:07:00 -
[91]
Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 05/05/2006 13:07:49
That is really pathetic, Gradient. 1pg buys some slaves, even by matari law only an act of smuggling, and you go on a killing spree.
Attacking convoys is an act of war. It is murder, both of the slaves who do not survive the attack and the crew. It is an act of terrorism and piracy and will never be tolerated.
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Perhaps PIE should mind its own damn buisness.
The defence of Amarr Is PIE's ONLY Buisness. Or is that too complex a concept for a slave such as yourself to understand?
You can get in a petty dispute with 1pg if you want. The second you take that dispute and start makeing general acts of war against the Amarr Empire, however, is when PIE by its very nature must get involved.
If Gradient wants PIE not involved, they should order a halt to all warmongering actions against the Amarr Empire and pay reparations to the families of those already killed by Ogmund.
As is, you are fast on your way, if not already there, to being understood as Pirates or Terrorists rather than republic supporters.
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Pilot Ogmund's actions are not in violation of Gradient corporation policy.
Then you are terrorists no better than the U'K.
Nobiscum Deus!
PIE Website |
Elsebeth Rhiannon
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Posted - 2006.05.05 13:15:00 -
[92]
If you read Ogmund's report, you can see that he did all in his capability to spare the lives of the crew, starting from giving them a chance to evacuate and ending with notifying local authorities about the survivors' location. While he did engage in violence and take justice in his own hands, he is not a mindless murderer.
As I said, we not in general approve of attacking peaceful convoys, and as I said, there is a very easy way to put an end to this mindlessness. Threatening us with getting involved is not that way.
Other than that, I have nothing to add to the above.
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Elsebeth Rhiannon, Gradient, asst XO
"I am a weapon in the hand of fate"
Peace in a pod
(Gradient is hiring) |
Teo Kiesh
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Posted - 2006.05.05 13:21:00 -
[93]
Gaven, thank you very much for clarifying things to me. So far I was a bit ambivalent on how to react to this shipping of freed slaves back to Amarr, but as you consider it smuggling, too, I don't any longer have any problems with Ogmund's actions.
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Gaven Lok'ri
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Posted - 2006.05.05 13:26:00 -
[94]
How does giving the crew a chance to evacuate change the action from being both murder and an act of war?
You are trying to make an act of warmongering and terrorism seem legal and somehow not a direct attack against the Amarr Empire.
It will never be.
There is a line, you kill civilians, you commit piracy, you destroy Amarrian shipping... and you are declaring yourself at war with the Amarr Empire. No rationale will change that simple fact.
You are responding to petty smuggling, at worst, with acts of war against the entire Empire.
If you are truely supporters of the Republic, you will back down and let the politicians in Pator decide when an act of war is necessary. To do otherwise is to follow in the U'Ks footsteps.
Nobiscum Deus!
PIE Website |
Elsebeth Rhiannon
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Posted - 2006.05.05 13:31:00 -
[95]
Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon on 05/05/2006 13:32:07
"Petty theft" and "smuggling" does not quite cut it, when you speak of our people. We talk about deprivation of freedom from free people, and we have a reason to I assume there's some poisoning free people involved too. They started the aggression, and they did it in Republic space. Talk to them if you want someone to back down.
You can stay out of it, if you want, though; we do not hold PIE responsible for other Amarr corporation's actions. There will be no threats if you refuse to denounce your kinsmen over this...
Other than that, well, my statements above still hold. Fate works in funny ways, it seems.
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Elsebeth Rhiannon, Gradient, asst XO
"I am a weapon in the hand of fate"
Peace in a pod
(Gradient is hiring) |
Gaven Lok'ri
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Posted - 2006.05.05 15:39:00 -
[96]
Quote:
we do not hold PIE responsible for other Amarr corporation's actions.
No? you seem to hold innocent traders responsible rather than 1pg readily enough.
Which makes PIE involved, whether you like it or not.
Nobiscum Deus!
PIE Website |
Elsebeth Rhiannon
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Posted - 2006.05.05 19:33:00 -
[97]
Fair enough - just like taking free people to slavery from inside the Republic makes Gradient involved, whether you want it or not.
See you in space, Lok'ri.
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Elsebeth Rhiannon, Gradient, asst XO
"I am a weapon in the hand of fate"
Peace in a pod
(Gradient is hiring) |
Eris Davion
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Posted - 2006.05.05 19:55:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Edward Sarum
The ability of the Minmatar to rationalize their crimes is truly amazing.
Something we learned from your people, who rationalize their grand crime of slavery under the guise of 'religion' and Concord non-interference.
I do not quite understand your objections, however. You openly mocked U'Ks inaction on your kidnapping of our people, clearly trying to provoke a counter-response. When others give you that response, under the same spirit as your earlier "If you do not condemn the terrorists you are one of them" announcements, you cry foul?
If this was not what you wanted, perhaps you should have kept your mouths shut and quietly taken advantage of our market glitch.
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Ogmund
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Posted - 2006.05.05 21:02:00 -
[99]
Enough already. There is enough hot air in this thread to smelt veldspar. I am not a terrorist or a freedom fighter. IÆm just a ****ed-off miner who answered an invitation from some people (1PG) who came to the Republic looking for trouble.
After visiting the convoys in Mehatoor, my ship is now filled to capacity with freed slaves. None of them are the Matari taken from Rens. In that sense I have failed. 1PG may be telling the truth about all of those captives being on warships. If so they are beyond my ability to help. Telemicus Thrace has proposed a plan for protecting freed slaves within the Republic. I think itÆs worth a try.
It was suggested by 1PG that nobody would stand in defense of the Minmatar Republic. But once I began this punitive action I was bombarded with offers of assistance. I declined them all in an effort to avoid escalation. But I have learned this week just how many friends the Republic has and I am proud of you all.
It was also suggested that the RepublicÆs borders were open and undefended. There is some truth to that accusation. But I have also learned that the Empire has nothing to teach us about security. Although 1PG claimed that my activities were closely monitored, nobody made any visible effort to interfere with my activities. I have seen nothing during the last week that makes me doubt the RepublicÆs ability to defeat the Empire in that war we all know is coming. I did not set out to trigger that conflict but if it comes I now know that I can face it without fear.
I will begin the trip home in about a week. Some of these freed Matari are not yet ready for travel. They will remain in their safe houses until then. Should the Amarrians who blow hot air actually declare war I will just stay and begin my operations from here. Until then they may continue to ômonitor me closelyö.
Ogmund
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Edward Sarum
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Posted - 2006.05.05 22:15:00 -
[100]
Edited by: Edward Sarum on 05/05/2006 22:15:50
Originally by: Ogmund
1PG may be telling the truth about all of those captives being on warships. If so they are beyond my ability to help.
DOG are you daring to call me a liar? You prey on merchants to steal rightful and lawful property and then dare to speak ill of a chosen of GOD!? Come I await you eagerly to put your words forward and see if you have the fortitude to cover them.
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Although 1PG claimed that my activities were closely monitored, nobody made any visible effort to interfere with my activities. I have seen nothing during the last week that makes me doubt the RepublicÆs ability to defeat the Empire in that war we all know is coming. I did not set out to trigger that conflict but if it comes I now know that I can face it without fear.
Well then when the trouble comes, as it is coming you will stand and face it? Or rather will you hide like the frightened dog you are and scamper away wimpering? I will bet on the later. You are and have been monitored and your locations known. The day of retribution for your crimes is nearly at hand, will you stand and face this or skulk away?
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Tharrn
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Posted - 2006.05.05 22:18:00 -
[101]
As our demand that you leave within two days is not met it will be war. That is all that needs to be said.
Now recruiting!
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Rocius
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Posted - 2006.05.05 22:57:00 -
[102]
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You have about two days to leave Amarr space. Failure to stop your activities in Devoid will result in Concord no longer protecting you. The papers have been filed and just need to be signed. - Quote
You do realise, that your initial comment was today correct? And that it has not yet been a single day, let alone two of them? I do sincerly hope that more of the 1PG is as inteligent as you Tharn, we can let the first year cadets at RMS handle you then. After all you boasting, your nothing more than a commoner yourself. Hell, from my understanding, the Emperors personal slaves are more valuable than you. I bet that chaps the old ass a bit doesnt it? You are of no concern, and would do well to stay within the borders of your leaderless, decaying state.
You know, according to your own corporations declared duties, you are indeed acting in a military fasion cominng into the Republic and taking my people. Your feable attempt to call it a legal market aquisition, is ever so transparent.
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it's tasks may include tasks like ...snip... missions like incursions into enemy territory, retrieval of imperial property and citizens, reconnaisance and surgical deepstrikes.
Enemy teritroy..... retrieval of imperial property....
So, what you are saying is that you indeed view the Republic as "enemy teritory" and that this was indeed a military operation all along.
You really should pay closer attention to the fine details, they will in the end.... be a burden that you just cant bear any longer..... and no false worshiping of your "God" will help you there.
Rocius
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Tharrn
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Posted - 2006.05.05 23:06:00 -
[103]
Your pilot stated he won't leave for a week - he still has time to comply as you may, or may not, know that Concord isn't the fastest institution around, which in fact is why he had two days at the time of writing that message.
As for the rest of your drivel: I have seen better shieldbashing. Facts are created in space. Act as big as you want here but you'll be measured by your actions in about a week. We have been fighting terrorist scum mostly for three years so you won't impress us with hollow phrases.
Now recruiting!
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Kuma Angelus
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Posted - 2006.05.06 01:10:00 -
[104]
I pray for your souls.
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and the Lord said "Whom shall I send" and "Who shall go for us" I replied, " I will go"
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Telemicus Thrace
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Posted - 2006.05.06 01:24:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Tharrn
...I wouldn't care if we'd do as your 'Republic' is not a proper state and still not accepted as sovereign entity by the Empire.
Yes it is. The Amarr Empire formally recognised the Minmatar Republic when it signed the Yulai accord. Neither I nor the law nor Concord care how much you may resent that, it is fact. That is why your Empire still has to deny all knowledge of the illegal slaver ships it sends to our colonies to either kidnap our people or terrorise them using orbital released chemical attacks. The looks on the faces of all those Amarr officers as their own Empire denounced them as pirates leaving them to be executed under Republic law.
Take heart that they died quickly and cleanly, we take no pleasure in killing. Feel free to purchase their Imperial Insignia and ID chips on the open market, perhaps you can return them to their families. I urge you in the name of simple humanity to save the lives of these young officers by urging your Imperial masters to cease these terrorist attacks on our civilian population.
Your people and ours can live in peace, all we ask is that you release all Matari currently held in slavery and to cease illegal raids and terrorist attacks on our colonies.
>> RECRUITING << |
Vera Nosfyu
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Posted - 2006.05.06 06:02:00 -
[106]
Kill 'em all, Gradient! If you happen to wind up with some 1st PG corpses for whatever reason send them our way as I'm sure the boss can put 'em to good use.
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
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Posted - 2006.05.06 09:21:00 -
[107]
I would like to express my heart-felt thanks to all the parties who have openly or behind-the-scenes expressed their support to us in this time of crisis. It makes me proud to be part of this nation and these various networks of tribesmen and allies. I would like to especially comment on the unwavering loyalty and support by which our new alliance has stood by us, despite us bringing trouble of this kind with us. This kind of expression of unity truly shows that there is no evil so great that good cannot come out of it.
Thank you, brothers and sisters.
--
Elsebeth Rhiannon, Gradient, asst XO
"I am a weapon in the hand of fate"
Peace in a pod
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Dak Hakin
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Posted - 2006.05.06 10:18:00 -
[108]
Deliver hell unto them Gradient.
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I am the devil, and I'm here to do the devils work.
Mr. Grumpy-sour-pus
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Jaredh Elkin
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Posted - 2006.05.06 11:53:00 -
[109]
Originally by: Tharrn
You have about two days to leave Amarr space. Failure to stop your activities in Devoid will result in Concord no longer protecting you. The papers have been filed and just need to be signed.
I need to ask clarification on this. Does this implicate that if I come to Amarr space on completely legal business, do not target (nor shoot) anybody, and even help Amarrian economy by providing you with things to buy, you are going to declare war on NMTZ?
If you do this, and don't understand people getting angry with you breaking Republic laws, I really don't see your point. You are just doing what you accuse of us, and even worse: legal business is different than illegal, or even shady business.
Yes, lying to people about their new contracts is breaking the spirit of Republic laws. Especially when you haul them to Amarr to slavery.
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Gazon
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Posted - 2006.05.06 11:59:00 -
[110]
If you want to conduct legal business within the Empire then see to it that your rogue pilots who break Imperial Law are reined in.
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Christa Larne
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Posted - 2006.05.06 12:19:00 -
[111]
Somehow you seem to think that constantly re-stating your ultra-right-wing fascist dogma will make you seem more credible. You are no more credible than those other Fascists throughout the history of the human race who have fought wars of conquest, enslaving peoples along the way, and accusing those who fight against them of terrorism and high crimes.
Fascism has always failed throughout history and it will fail again when the Amarr Empire finally collapses and is reborn as an enlightened and civilised democracy. Until then you continue to spout your tired dogma and we will continue to work for your downfall.
To Gradient - stand strong and pay them out in full measure for their crimes. For all their great words they are weak and afraid, as demonstrated by the fact that they exploit loopholes in the contract law to kidnap Republic citizens and then fly around with them in their ship as political prisoners rather than come and find a military target to attack.
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Suva Medinna
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Posted - 2006.05.06 13:38:00 -
[112]
To those supporters of the Republic, as I once was, and perhaps someday will be again, I offer you this.
Perhaps you have heard it, or remember it from somewhere deep within yourselves...
Tribes! I Call to You all!
Rise!
Dare as I have to listen to the drum within your heart, To hear the song between the beats!
Rise!
Dare to hear it in the silence between the stars!
Hear it and hear the voices of your ancestors!
RISE!
LO, there do I hear my Father!
RISE!
Lo, there do I hear my Mother, my Sisters, and my Brothers!
RISE!
Lo, there do I hear the line of my people back to the beginning!
RISE!
Lo, they do call to me, they bid me take my place among them in the spaces between the stars!
RISE!
They Call to YOU!
RISE!
Heed their call!
It is the True Voice of your Blood!
RISE!
...Excerpt taken from "The songs of Matar", transcribed from the verbal mysteries of the tribes, author unknown
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Popsikle
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Posted - 2006.05.06 14:49:00 -
[113]
To all Amarr, Calderi and Gallente who believe the trafficking of slaves is legal and worthwhile, I have to deliver a message of utmost importance.
Any corperation who is found to be supporting slave trading, in any way shape or form, shall face attacks on thier ships from known and unknown sources. We will hit you where you sleep, where you work, and where you play.
We will not stand by as you continue to degrade our people, and we will not stand by as you talk down to our brethren in Gradient.
Vengance is a hard emotion to control, and from the fire you have lit in our souls it will get the better of us. Your families, your children, your friends and your coworkers will all face certian death, including those planetside.
Your time has come, no doubt. Your arrogance will be your downfall.
-= We Fly for our people =- |
Stede Bonnet
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Posted - 2006.05.06 16:04:00 -
[114]
Originally by: Ogmund
This link shows the destruction of slave transports last night in the Lisudeh system.
action in Lisudeh
Today I moved on to the Eredan system. I found a large convoy but my scanners showed only one ship with a significant number of slaves aboard. Although the convoy fired briskly they could not prevent the inevitable.
SEEEEYYYLLLAAAAA BROTHER!
I myself have been working in Eredan system for 2+ weeks now, seeking to find my sibling who was taken a month ago by amarr forces. I have over 1200 slaves in my possesion now, with enough water, livestock, spirits, frozen food and tobacco to keep them as happy as they can be until the vitoc wears off. I have also provided them with some small arms should the Amarr scumm attempt to confiscate them from me.
I will not stop until I find my sibling, or until the transports stop moving slaves around like property.
350 convoys destroyed, and counting..
Seeyyyllaaaa brother, carry on.
SEEEEYYYLLLLAAAAAA! The time is now! |
Cz Ire
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Posted - 2006.05.06 17:47:00 -
[115]
I have little to say that hasnt been said already to you by my fellow matari, save for this:
If you decide to take this to a warfare scale, it will go very badly for you. Not a threat, a promise, despite our diffrences of opinion, our true unity is untimatly anti-slavery.
If you declare a slavery based war against us, so many will rise up you will drown in the molten tritanium of your own ships. Not just minmatar, but gallante and many caldari as well. Even many of your own amarrian's have come to see the flaws of your ways and will now fight against you.
This is not an attempt to scare you off from declareing the war, I encourage you, do continue. we look forward to this.
But were getting tired of waiting. Either back off, stand down, and cease your attacks against us, or declare your futile war so we can get on with it and solve things the Brutor way.
Actions speak louder than words. Stop yammering your self-rightous religious dogma - one way or another.
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
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Posted - 2006.05.06 17:58:00 -
[116]
One thing I have never had to doubt about the Amarr loyalists is that when they say something they mean it.
About the only good thing there is to say about them.
This... thirst for blood among our friends and allies is a chilling thing. Maybe the waiting's over, then, and here comes the darkness.
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Elsebeth Rhiannon, Gradient, asst XO
"I am a weapon in the hand of fate"
Peace in a pod
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hal 5000
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Posted - 2006.05.06 18:48:00 -
[117]
We will hunt your kind down at the times and places of our choosing. Just the simple fact that you find it necessary to post your pathetically small endeavors here is testament to the constant weariness you have at all times. Our small band of freedom fighters have more heart, more raw bravery and more tenacity than you could ever dream. We are just the beginning, the light at the end of a dark, evil tunnel that out brothers and sisters are slowly realizing. Taunt us if you will. This changes nothing. You will still be forced to look over your self-righteous shoulders every few seconds. All from a small group of good guys. Pathetic.
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Tharrn
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Posted - 2006.05.06 18:54:00 -
[118]
We have been killing Gallente, Caldari and Amarr bloodtraitors in the ranks of the Ushra'Khan and their predecessor corps for three years. Most of the time we have been outnumbered up to more than ten to one - as our demands are met with more violence against Amarrian civilian convoys you actually leave us no choice but to go to war.
The 1st Praetorian Guard is a special forces unit. We will not back down from your threats as we have actually heard them all before including the threats of defiling our corpses and killing our families. In that last respect you are out of luck: the unit is our family and our loyalty is unfailing.
Now recruiting!
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
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Posted - 2006.05.06 20:21:00 -
[119]
Amarr, as much as you want, you cannot dismiss us all as war-crazy barbarians.
I do not threaten you, neither will I defile your corpse, and I have no intention to hunt down your family, if they do not come after me first.
You started this, and you are escalating it. Maybe it makes you sleep your nights better, if you make us the monsters, but the fact remains, had you not engaged in hostilities towards the Republic and then towards us, Gradient would not be involved in this.
Stay away from us, and we will stay away from you, until the day that the Republic herself calls us to war. It is as simple as that.
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Elsebeth Rhiannon, Gradient, asst XO
"I am a weapon in the hand of fate"
Peace in a pod
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Kuma Angelus
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Posted - 2006.05.06 21:32:00 -
[120]
Your pilot Ogmund escalated it. By destroying unarmed law abiding Amarrian Convoys within Amarrian Space. You may be able to fool others into following your cause and by convincing others that it is just. But the Eyes of God are not blind, and cannot be fooled. Amarr Victor, I look forward to driving into your heathen formations, for my Lord God protects me.
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and the Lord said "Whom shall I send" and "Who shall go for us" I replied, " I will go"
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Edward Sarum
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Posted - 2006.05.06 21:53:00 -
[121]
Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon
You started this, and you are escalating it. Maybe it makes you sleep your nights better, if you make us the monsters, but the fact remains, had you not engaged in hostilities towards the Republic and then towards us, Gradient would not be involved in this.
Now we see the classic Minmatar style of twisting things so they are blameless in their crimes. Our "hostilities involved a legal transaction, our escalation came as a response to illegal attacks on transports. However this in their eyes makes us wrong. We commit no crimes and seek to stop theiers and we are branded the criminals.
Dog the universe is not blind, your poor attempts at lies and spinning the truth are transparent and all see you for what you are, midless brutes and petty thugs.
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Edward Sarum
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Posted - 2006.05.06 21:54:00 -
[122]
Edited by: Edward Sarum on 06/05/2006 21:54:16
edited for double post
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Telemicus Thrace
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Posted - 2006.05.06 23:54:00 -
[123]
Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon
I would like to express my heart-felt thanks to all the parties who have openly or behind-the-scenes expressed their support to us in this time of crisis. It makes me proud to be part of this nation and these various networks of tribesmen and allies. I would like to especially comment on the unwavering loyalty and support by which our new alliance has stood by us, despite us bringing trouble of this kind with us. This kind of expression of unity truly shows that there is no evil so great that good cannot come out of it.
Thank you, brothers and sisters.
It is always a joy when the tribes come together. Sadly the circumstances do not allow our normal feasting.
As promised I have started the ball rolling with the creation of the Liberty Network. It is open to all Matari and anyone else that wants to see our brothers and sisters not only free but also gainfully employed and protected from the kind of foul deception that the Amarr have managed to come up with here. It goes without saying that any of the Ushra'Khan, Stormriders or Namtz'aar k'in administrative staff that are prepared to help administer these communications channels have but to ask and will be given access.
Regardless of that Thrace Inc have the means laid out, we now just call on the freedom loving people of the galaxy to sign up to the mailing list, join the comm frequency and work together to free our people. Apart from getting slaves to those pilots with access to treatment for them we also aim to provide freed slaves with access to reputable pod pilots that have genuine employment opportunities for them. We will also use the mailing list to compile data on who is trading our brothers on the open market so we can tell them about the Liberty Network.
Sign up to the Liberty Network today. Build a stronger Republic for tomorrow.
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Gaven Lok'ri
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Posted - 2006.05.07 02:38:00 -
[124]
Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 07/05/2006 02:38:26
Quote:
Build a stronger Republic for tomorrow.
The only thing an organisation working with terrorist tactics will accomplish is a stronger stench of pointless death across the universe.
Nothing more. I would not suggest working with U'K or SRS if you wish to 'build a stronger republic'.
Nobiscum Deus!
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Telemicus Thrace
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Posted - 2006.05.07 03:03:00 -
[125]
Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri
Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 07/05/2006 02:49:18
Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 07/05/2006 02:38:26
Quote:
Build a stronger Republic for tomorrow.
The only thing an organisation working with terrorist tactics will accomplish is a stronger stench of pointless death across the universe.
Indeed. Please refer to my previous and unrefuted points that the only ones using and supporting terror tactics is the Amarr Empire. Attacking armed slaver convoys is not an act of terror because they are not civilian targets, if anything it could be considered an act of war. Attacking civilian settlements from orbit with chemical weapons or sending in ground troops to kidnap and enslave non-combatants is by definition terrorism. Your constant mis-use of the word astounds me considering how intelligent you seem to think you are.
In light of the fact that the Amarr Empire is a self confessed supporter of terrorism & terror tactics along with your Empires well documented history of spreading pointless death across the universe I wholely support the principle of your statement.
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Gaven Lok'ri
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Posted - 2006.05.07 03:16:00 -
[126]
Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 07/05/2006 03:16:48
Attacking slave convoys in AMARRIAN SPACE is an act of piracy and terror against Amarrian CIVILIAN targets. The purpose is to scare Amarrian civilian traders into complying to your demands. That is terrorism.
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Main Entry: ter+ror+ism
Pronunciation: 'ter-&r-"i-z&m
Function: noun
1 : the unlawful use or threat of violence esp. against the state or the public as a politically motivated means of attack or coercion
Traders are NOT soldiers and our governments are NOT at war.
The fact that they are in armed convoys doesnt change the fact that it is an illegal act of murder and piracy for the purposes of sowing terror that is being accomplished by U'K/SRS and now Gradient pilots.
They are terrorists.
Nobiscum Deus!
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Rocius
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Posted - 2006.05.07 03:38:00 -
[127]
As are you Gavin.
You, and all others that are supporting your slavery system are also terrorists.
I hardly think its a concept that is so hard for you to understand.
Then again, you are so brainwashed by that same dogma crap that comes from your entire society.... maybe you cant see it.
Hey, your emperor is dead.... at least thats a good start to the process of weeding out the upper levels of your society. A few more like that.... and you will be at least starting on the right path.
Rocius
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Telemicus Thrace
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Posted - 2006.05.07 04:31:00 -
[128]
Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri
Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 07/05/2006 03:16:48
Attacking slave convoys in AMARRIAN SPACE is an act of piracy and terror against Amarrian CIVILIAN targets. The purpose is to scare Amarrian civilian traders into complying to your demands. That is terrorism.
Quote:
Main Entry: ter+ror+ism
Pronunciation: 'ter-&r-"i-z&m
Function: noun
1 : the unlawful use or threat of violence esp. against the state or the public as a politically motivated means of attack or coercion
Traders are NOT soldiers and our governments are NOT at war.
The fact that they are in armed convoys doesnt change the fact that it is an illegal act of murder and piracy for the purposes of sowing terror that is being accomplished by U'K/SRS and now Gradient pilots.
They are terrorists.
What a lot of rot. Traders are people taking medical supplies of food to those that need it. Armed men, on armed ships attacking innocent civilians then holding them against their will to face slavery and torture in the name of spreading your religious and political rubbish are not traders. They are hostage takers, pirates, raiders, murderers and terrorists. If anyone kills such men while freeing the hostages they hold the last thing they can be called is a terrorist.
If you want to see an end to your terrorist lackeys getting killed stop kidnapping Matari citizens. It's quite simple. Set the Matari you still have free, leave our space, cease attacking our colonies and your people can torment each other in the name of a false god until the Fedo develop a spoken language for all we care.
As long as you continue to use terrorist or any other tactics to attempt to force ideological and politcal change on us we will resist.
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Gaven Lok'ri
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Posted - 2006.05.07 19:09:00 -
[129]
Slavery is not illegal.
It rather is the most legal action taken by men, it makes life better for the slaves. The enemy of the people held in slavery is NOT those enslaving them, but rather those who would come and murder slaves for the sake of 'freeing' them.
Second, as we are not at war with the Republic, I would suggest that attacking traders in Amarrian space is quite illegal.
Tell me, what would your responce be if PIE started shooting republic traders?
Nobiscum Deus!
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
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Posted - 2006.05.07 19:14:00 -
[130]
An armed convoy carrying slaves is hardly civilian, Amarr.
That said, the question itself is hard to answer. We would be angry, of course - possibly beyond reason, like you seem to be currently. The real question is, would those attacks be done in reponse to some provocation we could affect? Could there be negotiations still?
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Elsebeth Rhiannon, Gradient, asst XO
"I am a weapon in the hand of fate"
Peace in a pod
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Ogmund
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Posted - 2006.05.07 21:17:00 -
[131]
Legality? <Ogmund shrugs> Haven't you lawyers ever owned a dog? When it pees on the carpet you smack its nose ... not hard enough to injure, just hard enough to make the point that bad behavior has consequences.
1PG came to Rens and commited an act that they knew would anger every Matari. That was their purpose. They wanted a violent reaction. They got a violent reaction. The reaction was quick, of limited scope, and accompanied by an explanation. 1PG now knows that bad behavior has consequences and they should have left it at that.
You ask what we would do if PIE attacked convoys in the Republic. I can tell you what I myself would do. First I would ask "Why would PIE do such an uncharacteristic thing? What prompted this odd behavior?" After hearing PIE's answer I would proceed with an open mind.
When a man pokes a stick into a hornet's nest he should not be surprised or angered when hornets come out stinging. It does little good to call the hornets terrorists. The real question you should be asking is this: do you want 1PG crossing into the Republic with a stick in its hand?
1PG would do a much better job of defending the Empire by staying on their side of the border.
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Tharrn
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Posted - 2006.05.08 00:06:00 -
[132]
Originally by: Ogmund
They got a violent reaction. The reaction was quick, of limited scope, and accompanied by an explanation. 1PG now knows that bad behavior has consequences and they should have left it at that.
You have about 20 hours to trundle back into the Republic. Concord has confirmed the validity of our third war. Please tell your terrorist friends that line about consequences when they wake up in the cloning vats.
Originally by: Ogmund
1PG would do a much better job of defending the Empire by staying on their side of the border.
You will see us on the other side of the border a lot more often soon enough. Again a consequence of your foolish actions. Be proud - for you will be the cause of all losses inflicted.
Now recruiting!
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Rocius
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Posted - 2006.05.08 00:11:00 -
[133]
Edited by: Rocius on 08/05/2006 00:13:21
These appear to be moot points at this time my brethren.
It now seems, that the true nature and agressive stance of the Praetorians comes to light.
They have now declared war upon Namtz'aar K'in.
It is now time, that they suffer in full, personaly for their actions.
As my brother Ogmund put it, time to teach these dogs a lesson.
I can tell you this, it will be no mere "tap on the nose", this is gonna be a full fledged, "beat that dog's ass"
That is all.
Rocius
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Scourge Drakonis
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Posted - 2006.05.08 01:27:00 -
[134]
The Ammatar Fleet Reserve has been given orders to assist any PIE or 1PG ships discovered under attack within the Ammatar Mandate. You terrorist scum will not be victorious against the Army of God!
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Telemicus Thrace
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Posted - 2006.05.08 01:39:00 -
[135]
Originally by: Rocius
Edited by: Rocius on 08/05/2006 00:13:21
These appear to be moot points at this time my brethren.
It now seems, that the true nature and agressive stance of the Praetorians comes to light.
They have now declared war upon Namtz'aar K'in.
It is now time, that they suffer in full, personaly for their actions.
As my brother Ogmund put it, time to teach these dogs a lesson.
I can tell you this, it will be no mere "tap on the nose", this is gonna be a full fledged, "beat that dog's ass"
That is all.
So the Amarr are no longer content to just terrorise our civilians, now they go to war. It seems violence is the only thing these fanatics understand or even desire.
I wish the Namtz'aar K'in good fortune in repelling this foreign aggressor and their terrorist cohorts.
Rocius, we have served together in the past so you know where my talents lay and you know how to reach me.
Long live the Republic.
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Vera Nosfyu
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Posted - 2006.05.08 02:20:00 -
[136]
Originally by: Scourge Drakonis
The Ammatar Fleet Reserve has been given orders to assist any PIE or 1PG ships discovered under attack within the Ammatar Mandate. You terrorist scum will not be victorious against the Army of God!
I am sure they are terrified. PIE/1st PG might have a whole one additional ship flying with them.
Please, stop with your bluffs, you're not fooling anyone.
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Stede Bonnet
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Posted - 2006.05.08 02:59:00 -
[137]
Originally by: Vera Nosfyu
Originally by: Scourge Drakonis
The Ammatar Fleet Reserve has been given orders to assist any PIE or 1PG ships discovered under attack within the Ammatar Mandate. You terrorist scum will not be victorious against the Army of God!
I am sure they are terrified. PIE/1st PG might have a whole one additional ship flying with them.
Please, stop with your bluffs, you're not fooling anyone.
I am terrified.
Shakin in me boots, I am ma'am.
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Tharrn
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Posted - 2006.05.08 08:36:00 -
[138]
Some day one ship will turn the battle and you'll stop laughing. Only a fool will underestimate an enemy. You seem to be good at it, which is not surprising.
Now recruiting!
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Smagd
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Posted - 2006.05.08 08:49:00 -
[139]
For the record,
- albeit the topic of this dispute does indeed provoke strong emotions, and on both sides -
I still hope I'll be able to tell of this war as an honorable one to my ancestors.
It should be good seeing the golden fleet fly, even if only through the targeting sights.
So now that we are done talking, let actions speak.
Smagd
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Ricardo ilMagnifico
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Posted - 2006.05.08 11:04:00 -
[140]
Good to see Gradient and Thrace taking it to the CVA, damn slavers *spits*. I for one can't wait to fight side by side with you Tel and the rest of the Thrace crew. I know we can destroy these filthy oxygen thieves...
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
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Posted - 2006.05.08 11:25:00 -
[141]
Check your facts, pilot:
As far as I am aware, Thrace is not entering the war, and neither is CVA involved as 1st Praetorian is not a member of that alliance.
Other than that, thanks for the sentiment.
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Peace in a pod - Liberty Network
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Aodha Khan
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Posted - 2006.05.08 11:29:00 -
[142]
Edited by: Aodha Khan on 08/05/2006 11:30:47
I could not believe my eyes this morning when I saw the war declaration. I haven't been this excited since I had my war tattoos done.
Well, back to killing those Amarrian maggots again, I knew it had to happen sooner or later. My first pod kill shall have the pleasure of being the content of dinner served to my hounds. I can here them howling already in anticipation.
Seylaaa!
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Tharrn
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Posted - 2006.05.08 12:54:00 -
[143]
See, we are back to threats of defiling corpses. Seems to be an obsession you have.
Now recruiting!
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Telemicus Thrace
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Posted - 2006.05.08 12:57:00 -
[144]
Originally by: Ricardo ilMagnifico
Good to see Gradient and Thrace taking it to the CVA, damn slavers *spits*. I for one can't wait to fight side by side with you Tel and the rest of the Thrace crew. I know we can destroy these filthy oxygen thieves...
Heya Ric, thanks for the assist the other night. It was good to run into Taters as well after all these years.
Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon
Check your facts, pilot:
As far as I am aware, Thrace is not entering the war, and neither is CVA involved as 1st Praetorian is not a member of that alliance.
Other than that, thanks for the sentiment.
Quite true, however where I live formal declerations of war are just a costly formality. I have no doubt if the slavers arrive on my doorstep there will be only the usual mindless violence directed first and formost at the women and children.
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
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Posted - 2006.05.08 13:04:00 -
[145]
Quote:
Quite true, however where I live formal declerations of war are just a costly formality.
There's that.
Just I feel we need to keep the facts straight, or this will definitely escalate to an all-out conflict on both sides. And while there are pilots on both sides who swear in the name of that, I still prefer to try and work to limit the conflict as much as I honorably can.
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Ricardo ilMagnifico
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Posted - 2006.05.08 13:07:00 -
[146]
Whoever's fighting the slavers ... go get 'em! Long live freedom!
Tel one day the Republic will come to it's senses and unite to destroy these disgusting parasites living on the corpses of our families and friends. Until this day we shall fight shoulder to shoulder...
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Aodha Khan
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Posted - 2006.05.08 13:11:00 -
[147]
Originally by: Tharrn
See, we are back to threats of defiling corpses. Seems to be an obsession you have.
It is no threat, but a promise.
The treatment of corpses in this manner is specially reserved for the likes if your kind and has been done so by Paratwa from generation to generation. Obsession? Hardly.....it is part of our war culture and a ceremony which is done with great passion amongst some of the more hard-core warriors in our ranks. Much like your 'God' obsession, eh, maggot?
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Tharrn
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Posted - 2006.05.08 13:24:00 -
[148]
Considering that one of your many loyalties (if one can talk about loyalty at all) has been to the Blooders I should have expected that you eat the corpses yourself. Fine people you have there calling themselves 'Republic loyalists'. Any more mass-murderers drinking blood amidst your ranks?
Now recruiting!
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
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Posted - 2006.05.08 13:31:00 -
[149]
NMTZ as a whole does not call itself Republic loyalists. We are none of us opposed to it, but some are suspicious of the current leadership enough to not claim to be loyal in the true sense of the word. We are, however, all loyal to the people, and do not wish the differences in political views to disrupt our (admittedly sometimes rocky and winding) path to unity.
Gradient itself, of course, remains as loyal as ever.
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Tharrn
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Posted - 2006.05.09 09:36:00 -
[150]
As NMTZ has suddenly fallen silent an update will follow from our side shortly.
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