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Marcus Druallis
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Posted - 2006.04.24 05:08:00 -
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I know it's been in here over and over, but I really wanna get it across to CCP. Please make the guns much bigger on Battleships. The whole idea for the Battleship to be as big as it is, is to MOVE the massive guns that are on it. If your going to keep the guns small, the BS's are unecessarily big...
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Drogisdra
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Posted - 2006.04.24 05:40:00 -
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/signed
God i miss the days in which games like Descent Freespace could have capital ships raking each other with huge beam lasers.
I remember feeling the suspence as the mammoth weapons charged up, then cut lose and carved a hunk out of an enemy cap ship as it cut along it's hull.
All this game has various types of pee-shooters!
Why cant we have somthing like that, akin to the sweeping beams of the sentinals in Halo?
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Thunderbird Anthares
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Posted - 2006.04.24 06:49:00 -
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/signed,all of it :P
EVE is good as it is,but the massive fights in Freespace 2 were just awesome,and i remember playing it over and over and over (crap,i gotta install it again :D)
i dont think that implementing "cutting off chunks of ships" would be easy,it would sure be good but i guess it wouldnt happen anytime soon,if devs would agree to do it that is...
BUT,big nasty beams roaring and causing a bit of havoc for the pleasure,or tunning the massive cannons sounds a bit would sure not hurt. I remember how i was excited from M sized rail sounds and beam sounds,but rather dissapointed by the good `ol 425mm`s making just a dry "poof"
Hell,its a half energy weapon,give it some juice 
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Posted - 2006.04.24 08:54:00 -
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The guns seem to look adequately sized to me.
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K Shara
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Posted - 2006.04.24 13:45:00 -
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The graphics for teh guns need to be bigger you must admit that looking at a megat with 425mm the guns look tiny. But look at a crow or similar with a 75mm it looks huge.
the guns should have the same relationship size wize.
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Alpha Centauri
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Posted - 2006.04.24 13:56:00 -
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I dont mind the large hybrids, however I cant fit a full rack of 350s on a dominix with advanced weapon upgrades 5 :(
The Dominix needs a little bit more grid! just enough to fit 6 350s without power diags please :)
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James Duar
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Posted - 2006.04.24 14:21:00 -
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Totally /signed.
The weapon models need updating so the big guns physically look BIG. It would work even for fitting the big guns on ships that they shouldn't go on, since then they would look clunky and unwieldy for the ship.
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Ralorn Aster
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Posted - 2006.04.24 14:44:00 -
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Hm, do you really think those guns should look bigger ?
It would probably make the ship itself look smaller, and personally I like it when the BS's look big.
On frigates, though, the guns could be smaller, because as it is, these ships look more like some kind of fighter than a frigate. The turrets are too big for them. Always reminds me of Freelancer - and those were fighters.
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Astrum Ludus
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Posted - 2006.04.24 16:30:00 -
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Yeah scale could be improved here from the ground up. Thank god capital weaps are a decent sized model!
Also, sound, I really think a lot of the guns in Eve could be made to sound more 'chunky'. Freespace 2 would be a good place to start with the lasers :)
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Marcus Druallis
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Posted - 2006.04.24 19:12:00 -
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I think the capital sized guns are perfectly relative to the size of the ship (I saw the Gallente one). Someone a while back made a picture of what he thought the guns should look like (it was on a Megathron). The picture was quite stunning. The guns had a much stockier and boxier base, with a cannon coming out of it.
To the person that said it would make the battleships look smaller, and they like how the BS are big. There is absolutely no need for a ship to be that much larger than the guns it carries (other than something like a Carrier, for example). The ship is that large so it is able to fit heavier and /larger/ guns.
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Vlad Selvarn
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Posted - 2006.04.24 20:49:00 -
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Edited by: Vlad Selvarn on 24/04/2006 20:49:12
This is a good point. Look at some pictures of WW II battle ships. Each gun turret they carry is 1/4 to 1/3 the size of the ship.
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Viktor Fyretracker
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Posted - 2006.04.24 20:56:00 -
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i just want a Yamato Gun for my Battlecruiser. =x
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Phoenix Lord
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Posted - 2006.04.24 21:03:00 -
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 Originally by: Alpha Centauri
I dont mind the large hybrids, however I cant fit a full rack of 350s on a dominix with advanced weapon upgrades 5 :(
The Dominix needs a little bit more grid! just enough to fit 6 350s without power diags please :)
Dominix is supposed to use drones, not weapons. If you want a full rack of weapons, get a megathron :P
But yea, the guns really need to be much bigger, i want the feeling that i am flying something that is big. Frigate sized guns look huge, the rails on my Ishkur are half as long as the ship itself. I want bigger guns on my megathron!!
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Audri Fisher
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Posted - 2006.04.25 02:44:00 -
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Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker
i just want a Yamato Gun for my Battlecruiser. =x
I want a full rack of Yamamoto guns, some long lancer torps, and the Iowas fire control system. 
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Cygnet Lythanea
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Posted - 2006.04.25 03:45:00 -
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/signed
If my Mach should LOOK liek it's sporting all that weaponry I squeeze on it! (And please have a modle for missile tubes or soemthing!?!?)
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Ephemeron
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Posted - 2006.04.25 06:29:00 -
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CCP can't make guns look big for same reason why your 4 turret ship has 8 visible turrets - EVE ships are suppposed to shoot from any direction, any orientation. A large gun can't be made to look as tho it can fire from any angle
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Marcus Druallis
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Posted - 2006.04.25 07:28:00 -
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Originally by: Ephemeron
CCP can't make guns look big for same reason why your 4 turret ship has 8 visible turrets - EVE ships are suppposed to shoot from any direction, any orientation. A large gun can't be made to look as tho it can fire from any angle
I'm sure they could be bigger.
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Ralorn Aster
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Posted - 2006.04.25 13:33:00 -
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Markus, there's also no need for a ship to have any kind of fancy shape - but it is cool that way, isn't it ?
The current gun-size/ship-size relationship is somewhat established in space games. Ever played Wing Commander ?
All I wanted to say is that at a certain point, bigger guns start to make the ship look smaller instead of bigger.
For example those comparatively big frigate turrets don't make the frigs look bigger, quite the opposite.
As for the whole gun-moving thing - to just move the guns, you could install them on a big flat metal plate.
But as it is, they need computer systems, ammo, etc. etc. and most of all - energy. Those things need crew. Crew needs quarters..
Apart from that, the smaller the turrets, the less likely they'll directly get hit. It's a practical advantage.
So why again do you want to have big guns ? For the looks of it, right ?
See, I kinda like it the other way around. Although I'm not saying they couldn't be a bit bigger. But just a bit, not much bigger.
Two different opinions. No problem, as long as you don't make me use your arguments against you.
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Viktor Fyretracker
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Posted - 2006.04.25 14:00:00 -
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Originally by: Audri Fisher
Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker
i just want a Yamato Gun for my Battlecruiser. =x
I want a full rack of Yamamoto guns, some long lancer torps, and the Iowas fire control system.
lol i wasing refering to the WW2 Battleship from Japan i ment the Yamato Gun/Cannon from Starcraft.
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Iron Wraith
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Posted - 2006.04.25 16:03:00 -
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i think the bigger guns should be scaled up too. like in freespace. the guns on the large ships were huge. you could see em for miles off! and a RL BS, the guns turrets are almost as wide as the ship!
i want my 7 t2 neutron blasters to realy stand out on my mega. the ship looks big and beefy but the guns look like pea shooters 
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Normandus
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Posted - 2006.04.25 17:19:00 -
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BS guns look fine imo. If you want ships with HUGE guns, go train for a dreadnaught.
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Thunderbird Anthares
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Posted - 2006.04.29 15:28:00 -
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Well,from my opininon,when i need my glasses to see guns on a ship,they "are" small.
I know this may sound a bit stupid,but dont large guns just hive you the excitement when they start hurling hot flak?
In every game i played so far,i loved to look on ships turning the heavy multi-ton turrets and watch them spit the flames,damn,i even remember the time when i got Multi-Gun Corvettes in Homeworld for the first time. A reasonable sized ship with like 6 or something turrets blazing. That means fun for me,and i play this for the action,so how the action looks is important for me 
What example i want to put here is the Hiigaran Battlecruiser from Homeworld 2.Big ship,2 huge double ion turrets,a handful of point-defence batteries,and,the few big projectile cannons in the front im talking about.Thats exactly the size.Looks good on the ship,wrecks havoc like our ever-loved 425mm`s and you just love to watch them track their prey.
Call me how u want,but i like it just that way,big and dangerous
P.S.: and the frigate guns are really just too big
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Crausaum
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Posted - 2006.04.29 18:23:00 -
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Agreed. The current battleship guns look too small compared to the battleships.
I'd add more but I think others have already made all my points.
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Ralorn Aster
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Posted - 2006.04.29 20:15:00 -
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Edited by: Ralorn Aster on 29/04/2006 20:16:45
Hm, ok perhaps we could settle for double the current size for large turrets and about half to 2/3 for the small ones?
I guess that'd be agreeable to most.
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Thunderbird Anthares
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Posted - 2006.05.01 09:17:00 -
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Edited by: Thunderbird Anthares on 01/05/2006 09:18:14
well,i`d have to see it to check how it looks
but sounds quite reasonable
now we gotta make the Devs change some gun effects and sounds,that dry "pop" of the 425mm`s is just making me depressed
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Chakoth
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Posted - 2006.05.01 09:29:00 -
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Bigger guns yes but not more dmg. Big battles are already decided over a few seconds, higher dmg guns would make that even less.
I say bigger shields/armor so that large battles can be something more than a twitch fight.
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Thunderbird Anthares
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Posted - 2006.05.01 09:48:00 -
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Chak,if you would bother to READ the post,you would see that we are only arguing about esthetical design,just the "look`n`feel",and not damage.
Allthrough i agree with you,please read it next time b4 u post :P No offence.
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Drizit
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Posted - 2006.05.01 22:35:00 -
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/signed.
The Apoc makes the guns look so small, it took me 30 minutes to even find them on the ship. Even then I had to zoom in as close as I could get just to see the little needles. These are supposed to be guns, not barbs to catch in someone's throat if they swallow it.
I agree with the sounds as well. Something like a Howizter that fires a 425mm shell needs to go BOOM! not that shallow little pop we hear. I also want to hear my lasers making a noise that actually sounds damaging, that sizzling rasher of bacon sound that the Maser makes is pitiful and the other beam lasers sound like something from the 1970's space invaders game.
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Lord Slater
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Posted - 2006.05.01 23:09:00 -
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Yea true some of the guns do look a bit too small on the ships.
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Posted - 2006.05.11 02:01:00 -
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/signed
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