Ganking is PVP - but what you did, killing that miner, is a form of PVP called griefing, which is a bannable offence. Unfortunately CCP chooses not to enforce their own rules in this regard. You had nothing to gain from destroying that miners ship except for the pleasure of causing him headache and lost time, which is griefing.

It is griefing.

He had no reason to single out that person and attack him. Did he loot the wreck, I highly doubt it. Did he scare other miners away, no. Are other miners "learning" anything? No.

It's funny, when you go to places in space where PVP is expected, the community is totally different - people actually have constructive conversations and get to know the community. In high-sec on the other hand, people have learned to keep their mouth shut and do their best to keep themselves out of these griefers sights. It's crazy... Boone really interacts in high-sec outside of their corporation or alliance... at all. Thanks to low life people that spend their time griefing others...

If CCP made ALL space like lowsec/null "griefing" wouldn't exist.

Noone really interacts in high-sec outside of their corporation or alliance... at all.

A grief player, or "griefer," is a player who devotes much of his time to making othersGÇÖ lives miserable, in a large part deriving his enjoyment of the game from these activities while he does not profit from it in any way. Grief tactics are the mechanics a griefer will utilize to antagonize other players. At our discretion, players who are found to be consistently maliciously interfering with the game experience for others may receive a warning, temporary suspension or permanent banning of his account.

CCPs own words:


Spin it how you like, but that's exactly what you're doing.

CCP should work a little harder on figuring out how to solve the issue of people like you running around. If they expect to really build their subscriber base, people like you do not help.

It is griefing.

He had no reason to single out that person and attack him. Did he loot the wreck, I highly doubt it. Did he scare other miners away, no. Are other miners "learning" anything? No.

It's funny, when you go to places in space where PVP is expected, the community is totally different - people actually have constructive conversations and get to know the community. In high-sec on the other hand, people have learned to keep their mouth shut and do their best to keep themselves out of these griefers sights. It's crazy... Noone really interacts in high-sec outside of their corporation or alliance... at all. Thanks to low life people that spend their time griefing others...

If CCP made ALL space like lowsec/null "griefing" wouldn't exist.

CCPs own words:


Spin it how you like, but that's exactly what you're doing.

CCP should work a little harder on figuring out how to solve the issue of people like you running around. If they expect to really build their subscriber base, people like you do not help.

CCPs own words:


Spin it how you like, but that's exactly what you're doing.

CCP should work a little harder on figuring out how to solve the issue of people like you running around. If they expect to really build their subscriber base, people like you do not help.

It is griefing.

He had no reason to single out that person and attack him. Did he loot the wreck, I highly doubt it. Did he scare other miners away, no. Are other miners "learning" anything? No.

It's funny, when you go to places in space where PVP is expected, the community is totally different - people actually have constructive conversations and get to know the community. In high-sec on the other hand, people have learned to keep their mouth shut and do their best to keep themselves out of these griefers sights. It's crazy... Noone really interacts in high-sec outside of their corporation or alliance... at all. Thanks to low life people that spend their time griefing others...

If CCP made ALL space like lowsec/null "griefing" wouldn't exist.

It is senseless at best... I agree that the high-sec environment should not be considered 'safe'. But what they are doing is griefing. They may not be targeting a particular person, but they are targeting a particular group of people that try to play this game.

The difference in high-sec and low/null is that you expect to be engaged, and you're more prepared for it. Also, you don't see these types of low life people in low/null because they're too weak, and scared to be in a place that puts them on a level playing field.

The consequences for attacking in high-sec should be a lot greater, making the griefer carefully consider the value of attacking a random newb.

He had no reason to single out that person and attack him. Did he loot the wreck, I highly doubt it. Did he scare other miners away, no. Are other miners "learning" anything? No.

It's funny, when you go to places in space where PVP is expected.

CCP should work a little harder on figuring out how to solve the issue of people like you running around. If they expect to really build their subscriber base, people like you do not help.

The difference in high-sec and low/null is that you expect to be engaged, and you're more prepared for it.

The consequences for attacking in high-sec should be a lot greater, making the griefer carefully consider the value of attacking a random newb.

CCPs own words:


Spin it how you like, but that's exactly what you're doing.

CCP should work a little harder on figuring out how to solve the issue of people like you running around. If they expect to really build their subscriber base, people like you do not help.

Other people have replied while I was typing this so meh I'm gonna post it all anyway.

Join the Anti-ganking channel. Lots of miners are learning lots of things about how to tank, fit ecm drones etc. Besides, if the miners are choosing not to learn, that laziness shouldn't entitle them to immunity.

Please see this image: http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/65749/1/productionVsDestruction_2013.png
It's a CCP-made image showing where things where made and where things were blown up, grouped by sec status and sized by value.
Notice how the highsec systems have a significant percentage (20 - 25% would be my estimate) of destruction.
Notice also that Jita is by very far the most destructive system by value. It's a 1.0 and apparently after all these years people still haven't learnt not to undock with plex, not to carry hundreds of millions in a t1 hauler, not to undock blingy ships with loads of purple modules.

Anyway, my point is PVP should be expected in high sec. If anyone thinks otherwise then they need to read killboards more.

What is this issue? You do know this game's main selling point is being a bastard, right? There's a CCP ad that says "Be the villain", there's a quote from one of the CCP guys saying that one of the great things about this game is that someone can come along and ruin your day.

Indeed the reason I play now is because it's actually quite exciting to know that anyone can take my ship off me, whether for profit or just because they felt like being dicks today. In fact I've spent much of the last few days in suspect status, stealing from cans and shooting mobile tractor units just because I can. Interestingly, most people in highsec leave suspects alone. All this keeps my wits sharp and gameplay exciting. I'm sure many other people enjoy the same thrill.
EVE is a unique game that allows that. Why should that be switched off because people who don't want to accept what the game is won't play something else?


Yes, that's the problem. People think high sec is "safe" so they don't prepare. But they should. That's the game.

They lose their ship and modules (and no insurance), they lose sec status and eventually have faction police chase them around, they can't undock for 15 minutes, they have kill rights put against them. What more punishment do you think they should have - serious question?

Also, you never answered Gizznitt Malikite's question.

There are in fact a lot of ways ganking miners can be profitable, it's not only because of the loot they may drop.

In fact the miners are an ideal target, as they are mindlessly grinding wealth they have no use for, because they are too busy mindlessly grinding even more ISK. In a way this is the true role of the miner, as the foundation of the PvP food chain.

This is normal EVE gameplay and has nothing to do with "griefing".

But back to the real topic, is ganking miners PvP?

I would clearly say yes, as it is an action taken against another player, but...

You see the problem with our bot-aspirant enemy is that they are often not at the keyboard, not actually playing the game. So the real discussion me thinks is, can we call someone who left the bridge of his ship while in space still a player? I think this question is essential when we try to establish if ganking is PvP or not.

Its the carebear of pvp.

Its the carebear of pvp.

It is griefing.

He had no reason to single out that person and attack him. Did he loot the wreck, I highly doubt it. Did he scare other miners away, no. Are other miners "learning" anything? No.

It's funny, when you go to places in space where PVP is expected, the community is totally different - people actually have constructive conversations and get to know the community. In high-sec on the other hand, people have learned to keep their mouth shut and do their best to keep themselves out of these griefers sights. It's crazy... Noone really interacts in high-sec outside of their corporation or alliance... at all. Thanks to low life people that spend their time griefing others...

If CCP made ALL space like lowsec/null "griefing" wouldn't exist.

You just like easy kills where you don't have to bring an expensive T2 ship like the other 3 types of EvE space .

Confirming that no one ever uses any T1 hulls outside of highsec.

Oh, wait...

LOL well lets just say that they don't gank in hi-sec with T2 hulls . They should try though !

I've tried to explain this in my own "High-sec ganking" thread but due to a steady din of attempts to shout me down I will mention it here also .

The single thing BIG difference between ganking in hi-sec and anywhere else in all of EvE is the fact that gankers in throwaway ships like catalyst destroyers and T3 battlecruisers [ their known ships of choice ] outfitted with cheap T1 mods can move freely and with impunity through hi-sec space like wolves in sheep's clothing . Sneaking up on the unsuspecting simply because of the overwhelming amount of ships in high-sec systems . This gives them an unfair advantage over everybody but the most attentive and knowledgeable players in the game and sometimes even they get caught . It is unfair that a new player or even a veteran should have to incorporate any of their gametime fun to looking out for these underhanded tactics . One poster called it the "carebear" of PvP ...and he was absolutely right ! Gankers stop trying to candy coat it with lame claims that you're teaching new players how to play or that you're some kind of "saviors" of high-sec . You just like easy kills where you don't have to bring an expensive T2 ship like the other 3 types of EvE space .

It is griefing.

He had no reason to single out that person and attack him. Did he loot the wreck, I highly doubt it. Did he scare other miners away, no. Are other miners "learning" anything? No.

It's funny, when you go to places in space where PVP is expected, the community is totally different - people actually have constructive conversations and get to know the community. In high-sec on the other hand, people have learned to keep their mouth shut and do their best to keep themselves out of these griefers sights. It's crazy... Noone really interacts in high-sec outside of their corporation or alliance... at all. Thanks to low life people that spend their time griefing others...

If CCP made ALL space like lowsec/null "griefing" wouldn't exist.

I've tried to explain this in my own "High-sec ganking" thread but due to a steady din of attempts to shout me down I will mention it here also .

The single thing BIG difference between ganking in hi-sec and anywhere else in all of EvE is the fact that gankers in throwaway ships like catalyst destroyers and T3 battlecruisers [ their known ships of choice ] outfitted with cheap T1 mods can move freely and with impunity through hi-sec space like wolves in sheep's clothing . Sneaking up on the unsuspecting simply because of the overwhelming amount of ships in high-sec systems . This gives them an unfair advantage over everybody but the most attentive and knowledgeable players in the game and sometimes even they get caught . It is unfair that a new player or even a veteran should have to incorporate any of their gametime fun to looking out for these underhanded tactics . One poster called it the "carebear" of PvP ...and he was absolutely right ! Gankers stop trying to candy coat it with lame claims that you're teaching new players how to play or that you're some kind of "saviors" of high-sec . You just like easy kills where you don't have to bring an expensive T2 ship like the other 3 types of EvE space .

It is griefing.

He had no reason to single out that person and attack him. Did he loot the wreck, I highly doubt it. Did he scare other miners away, no. Are other miners "learning" anything? No.

It's funny, when you go to places in space where PVP is expected, the community is totally different - people actually have constructive conversations and get to know the community. In high-sec on the other hand, people have learned to keep their mouth shut and do their best to keep themselves out of these griefers sights. It's crazy... Noone really interacts in high-sec outside of their corporation or alliance... at all. Thanks to low life people that spend their time griefing others...

If CCP made ALL space like lowsec/null "griefing" wouldn't exist.

Ganking is PVP - but what you did, killing that miner, is a form of PVP called griefing, which is a bannable offence. Unfortunately CCP chooses not to enforce their own rules in this regard. You had nothing to gain from destroying that miners ship except for the pleasure of causing him headache and lost time, which is griefing.

I've tried to explain this in my own "High-sec ganking" thread but due to a steady din of attempts to shout me down I will mention it here also .

The single thing BIG difference between ganking in hi-sec and anywhere else in all of EvE is the fact that gankers in throwaway ships like catalyst destroyers and T3 battlecruisers [ their known ships of choice ] outfitted with cheap T1 mods can move freely and with impunity through hi-sec space like wolves in sheep's clothing . Sneaking up on the unsuspecting simply because of the overwhelming amount of ships in high-sec systems . This gives them an unfair advantage over everybody but the most attentive and knowledgeable players in the game and sometimes even they get caught . It is unfair that a new player or even a veteran should have to incorporate any of their gametime fun to looking out for these underhanded tactics . One poster called it the "carebear" of PvP ...and he was absolutely right ! Gankers stop trying to candy coat it with lame claims that you're teaching new players how to play or that you're some kind of "saviors" of high-sec . You just like easy kills where you don't have to bring an expensive T2 ship like the other 3 types of EvE space .

So If I wardec you in the next few days am I grieving you because the war dec is based of your ******** notions on the forums?

But what they are doing is griefing.

The difference in high-sec and low/null is that you expect to be engaged, and you're more prepared for it.

You do realize that loyal spends like half the time in lowsec, right?

It is senseless at best... I agree that the high-sec environment should not be considered 'safe'. But what they are doing is griefing. They may not be targeting a particular person, but they are targeting a particular group of people that try to play this game.

The difference in high-sec and low/null is that you expect to be engaged, and you're more prepared for it. Also, you don't see these types of low life people in low/null because they're too weak, and scared to be in a place that puts them on a level playing field.

The consequences for attacking in high-sec should be a lot greater, making the griefer carefully consider the value of attacking a random newb.

If the gankee had options such as ECM'ing, using drones to fight back, etc, I would understand, but with today's DPS numbers, there's literally no hope for you to even try to fight back. Drones will do literally nothing compared toe the DPS you're receiving. You can't really even have a buddy with you. That won't matter. By the time he locks and kills maybe one of the gankers, the target is already blown to pieces.

I'd like to see all damage reduced by 50-75% in high sec. AND reduce Concord respond times by an equal amount.

This way, you can have vigilantes patrolling that you can call for help to and have them actually arrive in time. You can actually try to mount some sort of last stand defense with drones/ECM. The other miners in the belt may feel pity for you and send over drones to help. And if the miner is still doing the stupid things he is doing now, he would still die to the gankers.

Even with long CONCORD response time and small damage I guess there will only be few players interested in this kind of activity. As another agent once said, there is only one thing more boring and less rewarding than mining in EVE, that's guarding a bunch of AFK miners.

Ganking is PVP - but what you did, killing that miner, is a form of PVP called griefing, which is a bannable offence. Unfortunately CCP chooses not to enforce their own rules in this regard. You had nothing to gain from destroying that miners ship except for the pleasure of causing him headache and lost time, which is griefing.

The ONLY thing I don't like about high-sec/suicide ganking is the abruptness of the attack. Once the gankers arrive, there's literally nothing the gankee can do to prevent it, he's dead. The entire battle is won or lost before even the first ganker arrives on the scene.

If the gankee had options such as ECM'ing, using drones to fight back, etc, I would understand, but with today's DPS numbers, there's literally no hope for you to even try to fight back. Drones will do literally nothing compared toe the DPS you're receiving. You can't really even have a buddy with you. That won't matter. By the time he locks and kills maybe one of the gankers, the target is already blown to pieces.

I'd like to see all damage reduced by 50-75% in high sec. AND reduce Concord respond times by an equal amount. You could even change Concord damage numbers + whether they will kill a target if the gankers missed the target or not. This way, you can have vigilantes patrolling that you can call for help to and have them actually arrive in time. You can actually try to mount some sort of last stand defense with drones/ECM. The other miners in the belt may feel pity for you and send over drones to help. And if the miner is still doing the stupid things he is doing now, he would still die to the gankers.



tl;dr;
I'd like to see running fights instead of blappers.

I'd like to see all damage reduced by 50-75% in high sec. AND reduce Concord respond times by an equal amount. You could even change Concord damage numbers + whether they will kill a target if the gankers missed the target or not. This way, you can have vigilantes patrolling that you can call for help to and have them actually arrive in time. You can actually try to mount some sort of last stand defense with drones/ECM. The other miners in the belt may feel pity for you and send over drones to help. And if the miner is still doing the stupid things he is doing now, he would still die to the gankers.



tl;dr;
I'd like to see running fights instead of blappers.

The ONLY thing I don't like about high-sec/suicide ganking is the abruptness of the attack. Once the gankers arrive, there's literally nothing the gankee can do to prevent it, he's dead. The entire battle is won or lost before even the first ganker arrives on the scene.

If the gankee had options such as ECM'ing, using drones to fight back, etc, I would understand, but with today's DPS numbers, there's literally no hope for you to even try to fight back. Drones will do literally nothing compared toe the DPS you're receiving. You can't really even have a buddy with you. That won't matter. By the time he locks and kills maybe one of the gankers, the target is already blown to pieces.

I'd like to see all damage reduced by 50-75% in high sec. AND reduce Concord respond times by an equal amount. You could even change Concord damage numbers + whether they will kill a target if the gankers missed the target or not. This way, you can have vigilantes patrolling that you can call for help to and have them actually arrive in time. You can actually try to mount some sort of last stand defense with drones/ECM. The other miners in the belt may feel pity for you and send over drones to help. And if the miner is still doing the stupid things he is doing now, he would still die to the gankers.



tl;dr;
I'd like to see running fights instead of blappers.

The ONLY thing I don't like about high-sec/suicide ganking is the abruptness of the attack. Once the gankers arrive, there's literally nothing the gankee can do to prevent it, he's dead. The entire battle is won or lost before even the first ganker arrives on the scene.

If the gankee had options such as ECM'ing, using drones to fight back, etc, I would understand, but with today's DPS numbers, there's literally no hope for you to even try to fight back. Drones will do literally nothing compared toe the DPS you're receiving. You can't really even have a buddy with you. That won't matter. By the time he locks and kills maybe one of the gankers, the target is already blown to pieces.

I'd like to see all damage reduced by 50-75% in high sec. AND reduce Concord respond times by an equal amount. You could even change Concord damage numbers + whether they will kill a target if the gankers missed the target or not. This way, you can have vigilantes patrolling that you can call for help to and have them actually arrive in time. You can actually try to mount some sort of last stand defense with drones/ECM. The other miners in the belt may feel pity for you and send over drones to help. And if the miner is still doing the stupid things he is doing now, he would still die to the gankers.



tl;dr;
I'd like to see running fights instead of blappers.

The ONLY thing I don't like about high-sec/suicide ganking is the abruptness of the attack. Once the gankers arrive, there's literally nothing the gankee can do to prevent it, he's dead. The entire battle is won or lost before even the first ganker arrives on the scene.

If the gankee had options such as ECM'ing, using drones to fight back, etc, I would understand, but with today's DPS numbers, there's literally no hope for you to even try to fight back. Drones will do literally nothing compared toe the DPS you're receiving. You can't really even have a buddy with you. That won't matter. By the time he locks and kills maybe one of the gankers, the target is already blown to pieces.

I'd like to see all damage reduced by 50-75% in high sec. AND reduce Concord respond times by an equal amount. You could even change Concord damage numbers + whether they will kill a target if the gankers missed the target or not. This way, you can have vigilantes patrolling that you can call for help to and have them actually arrive in time. You can actually try to mount some sort of last stand defense with drones/ECM. The other miners in the belt may feel pity for you and send over drones to help. And if the miner is still doing the stupid things he is doing now, he would still die to the gankers.



tl;dr;
I'd like to see running fights instead of blappers.

Quit trying to nerf hi sec because you feel entitled to AFK in space there.

Please. Look at who's talking before making stupid accusations. (And my sec status)
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=corp&name=Justified+Chaos


Also, I'm not sure who taught you (BeBopAReBOP) math, but half your DPS and double the time = same damage. So if you could kill it before, you still can kill it now. I'd even want to increase Concord response times by a greater margin because of the impact friendly forces can have against the miner. I'm trying to reduce Concord impact and leave greater choices in the hands of the players. Ganking someone in Jita compared to Villore shouldn't just be tied to Concord response times, but also player response times. So in effect, you should have a longer time to kill a target if nobody shows up to help him, but in heavily traveled systems, that won't happen, so you have to take into account the playerbase.

Gankers 'missing' a target means that the target did not die and was only aggressed. This could lead to Concord only killing 1/2 of the ganker ships (1/2 of the most expensive ship hulls) This could happen just by losing point and letting target escape, or by ransoming whatever you're trying to kill.


Obviously, I mentioned nerfing Concord damage just so Concord doesn't just mean instant death, maybe have 5-10 seconds to OH guns and try to kill target/escape (if you didn't end up finishing off the kill). Would also want to nerf all aspects of Concord aggression.


What I am suggesting does not make high sec 'safer' in any way other than actually to let more people in on the fighting. It's still just as dangerous for the lone miner/hauler. But give him a busy system, and there's bound to be people willing to help out against those nasty pirates.

Also, I'm not sure who taught you (BeBopAReBOP) math, but half your DPS and double the time = same damage.

So if you could kill it before, you still can kill it now. I'd even want to increase Concord response times by a greater margin because of the impact friendly forces can have against the miner. I'm trying to reduce Concord impact and leave greater choices in the hands of the players. Ganking someone in Jita compared to Villore shouldn't just be tied to Concord response times, but also player response times. So in effect, you should have a longer time to kill a target if nobody shows up to help him, but in heavily traveled systems, that won't happen, so you have to take into account the playerbase.

Gankers 'missing' a target means that the target did not die and was only aggressed. This could lead to Concord only killing 1/2 of the ganker ships (1/2 of the most expensive ship hulls) This could happen just by losing point and letting target escape, or by ransoming whatever you're trying to kill.


Obviously, I mentioned nerfing Concord damage just so Concord doesn't just mean instant death, maybe have 5-10 seconds to OH guns and try to kill target/escape (if you didn't end up finishing off the kill). Would also want to nerf all aspects of Concord aggression.


What I am suggesting does not make high sec 'safer' in any way other than actually to let more people in on the fighting. It's still just as dangerous for the lone miner/hauler. But give him a busy system, and there's bound to be people willing to help out against those nasty pirates.

really don't understand the point of nerfing concord in anyway except response times.

this was hilarious. all i read was - lets drag out the time it takes to gank someone so that they can form a fleet asap and come and fight off the gankers, and also removal of sec status in high sec so gankers can live if they fail.

Also dont compare your corps killboard to your own when you are on less then 2% of the killmails.

gg easy.

i really thought most of you would want to revamp the boringness of high sec pvp. thanks for letting me know that you're really just out to make people cry

I wouldn't mind a small tweaking of the response. Tho if i had to pick something about concord to nerf it'd be the god like ewar they apply when they arrive. I think you should be able to keep shooting untill they've actually destroyed your ship. Maybe make them apply ewar more comparable in strength to that used by players, make the gankers fit eccm if they want an extra few seconds unjammed.

I.e: concord cruiser arrives relatively early, applies some standard jamming / trackign disruption / neut etc - but not the kind they use now, have them apply ewar that can potentially be mitigated by gankers fitting for it.
Then 5'ish seconds later at the normal response time the battleship shows up and starts popping ships with its usual instant death damage.

I also wouldn't mind the cruiser doing a minor-moderate amount of damage (tankable) but the battleship which shows up a touch latter does its usual instant death damage.

Make fitting for suicide ganking more than just "How much DPS can i squeeze in for a minimum of isk". Make them have to think about whether a little eccm to buy them an extra 5 seconds of shooting time would be worth it. Or whether that destroyer needs to fit a dcu so it can survive the cruiser damage and keep shooting until the battleship shows up

Also, I'm not sure who taught you (BeBopAReBOP) math, but half your DPS and double the time = same damage. So if you could kill it before, you still can kill it now. I'd even want to increase Concord response times by a greater margin because of the impact friendly forces can have against the miner. I'm trying to reduce Concord impact and leave greater choices in the hands of the players. Ganking someone in Jita compared to Villore shouldn't just be tied to Concord response times, but also player response times. So in effect, you should have a longer time to kill a target if nobody shows up to help him, but in heavily traveled systems, that won't happen, so you have to take into account the playerbase.

It is not griefing...

There are many, many legitimate reasons to blow up a miner:
1.) To loot his ship.
2.) To scare away other miners from the system.
3.) To teach miners that they need to tank their ships.
4.) As part of an extortion / protection racket.
5.) To drive up the price of mining ships.
6.) To drive up the price of minerals.
7.) Because someone paid you to do it.
8.) To participate in Hulkageddon like events.

and on and on... Griefing would require him to follow the same character around, system to system, and continually attack the same player. Generally attacking mining barges, perhaps because they are easy prey, is not griefing.

It is senseless at best... I agree that the high-sec environment should not be considered 'safe'. But what they are doing is griefing. They may not be targeting a particular person, but they are targeting a particular group of people that try to play this game.

The difference in high-sec and low/null is that you expect to be engaged, and you're more prepared for it. Also, you don't see these types of low life people in low/null because they're too weak, and scared to be in a place that puts them on a level playing field.

The consequences for attacking in high-sec should be a lot greater, making the griefer carefully consider the value of attacking a random newb.

My guess is you have never tried to actualy move around in highsec in a -10 char. Let's just say you have to know what you are doing, otherwise the faction police will kill your ship within seconds. It needs a lot of preparations and knowledge about the game mechanics in order to work.

If you would like to play eve in isolation without other players ruining your day I suggest you play on singularity if you don't care about the sandbox anyway. But you can't have it both ways and sell your stuff on a market that is driven by PvP including suicide ganking while opting out of it. EVE would simply not work that way.

Couldnt help laugh about this, "It needs a lot of preparation and knowledge about game mechanics", if you think that you are clueless. Move alt, find a miner, jump into your small ganking destroyer, warp gate to gate, warp to your alt, target press F1, how is this a lot of preparation and knowledge of game mechanics? Cause really thats all it takes. Dont come here thinking you are some leet pvper cause you can gank a few miners cause its really really easy to do and anyone can do it.

Since the ganking alt is usually -10 it is a bit more complicated to move around in highsec. You also completely forgot the scout and damage calculation parts. You also need to prepare the system to maximize the time you have.

Lets compare this to a typical nullsec 1337-PvP scenario:

1. assign drones
2. fap

Does not look very complicated to me.

Move alt, find a miner, jump into your small ganking destroyer, warp gate to gate, warp to your alt, target press F1, how is this a lot of preparation and knowledge of game mechanics?

Good Morning esteemed community of C & P,

Yesterday I had an interesting conversation with a 2 month old high sec miner regarding myself and my corp ganking miners in high sec.

As is customary in local, after I fought a mackinaw with my catalyst I exclaimed "Good Fight" in local, and proceeded to express my love of PVP, by saying " I love to pvp"

A miner who was in the ice belt at the time proceeded to respond that it is not pvp due to it not being a fitted combat ship that could kill me. Killing defenceless ships is not pvp due to them not being able to fight you.

I proceeded to explain that as I was versing a player, and the person I killed was a player, therefore I was "versing" another player which qualifies to fall under player versus player.

Now correct me if I am wrong, but every ship in the game, besides concord, npc rats, faction police, customs officials etc is another player, and therefor ganking another player, defenceless or not is PVP.

Miners/carebears that read this need to be well aware that Ganking is PVP and always will be, defenceless or not.

Thankyou in advance,

loyalanon
The Conference Elite
Enforcer of the Code. and champions of high sec.

What I am suggesting does not make high sec 'safer' in any way other than actually to let more people in on the fighting. It's still just as dangerous for the lone miner/hauler. But give him a busy system, and there's bound to be people willing to help out against those nasty pirates.

I would say High Sec is more dangerous, in some ways, than Low or Null. Game mechanics are important wherever you go in New Eden... The illusion of safety in High Sec breeds complacency and that's where people step in sh*t. Throw some wardecs in there for good measure, count on people not expecting a fight because they're clueless or unprepared and BOOM ... all of a sudden we get some emergent gameplay. Fight back - we like it rough.

Good Morning esteemed community of C & P,

Yesterday I had an interesting conversation with a 2 month old high sec miner regarding myself and my corp ganking miners in high sec.

As is customary in local, after I fought a mackinaw with my catalyst I exclaimed "Good Fight" in local, and proceeded to express my love of PVP, by saying " I love to pvp"

A miner who was in the ice belt at the time proceeded to respond that it is not pvp due to it not being a fitted combat ship that could kill me. Killing defenceless ships is not pvp due to them not being able to fight you.

I proceeded to explain that as I was versing a player, and the person I killed was a player, therefore I was "versing" another player which qualifies to fall under player versus player.

Now correct me if I am wrong, but every ship in the game, besides concord, npc rats, faction police, customs officials etc is another player, and therefor ganking another player, defenceless or not is PVP.

Miners/carebears that read this need to be well aware that Ganking is PVP and always will be, defenceless or not.

Thankyou in advance,

loyalanon
The Conference Elite
Enforcer of the Code. and champions of high sec.

There are also people who are unable to hammer a nail into a wall. I hope this answers your question.

We should be glad hat these people found an activity that matches their abilities.

"Prove it" you say- sure, no problem.

If you kill a dude multi-boxing 50 mackinaws in an ice belt, sure, some people will take notice- a week later your vicious slaughter in the name of CODE. will be forgotten, and nobody will care.

Kill (or lose) 50 Titans however, and CCP will have to reinforce the newbie starter areas for the influx of new players.

Because nobody ever heard about Burn Jita.
Or the Ice Interdiction.
Or Hulkaggeddon.

Naturally, CCP did its best to milk those activities for press as well.
The difference? Nulsec PL whining only brings ridicule.
Carebear whining brings out the heavy-duty CCP nerf cannon.

*cough*Technerf/BargeBuff/Crimewatch

I proceeded to explain that as I was versing a player, and the person I killed was a player, therefore I was "versing" another player which qualifies to fall under player versus player.

That's why we kill you freaking people, at the core of it. Because you're playing the game wrong, and you keep lobbying to have it changed to suit you, rather than change yourself to play the game how it works.

This is such a crock of BS. EvE is a sandbox. Get off your high-horse. No one can 'play the game wrong'. You CODE scrubs attack miners because you are fail low-sec pilots, and would have your asses handed to you if you ever attacked anyone else.

Kinda reminds me of the dudes at school who always wanted to become cops, but I always end up seeing them at the mall or the hospital working security.

stuff ...

I mine 8 hours a day in high-sec, all AFK, while I'm alt-tabbed doing work. EvE-Mail me, and I'll tell you which bountiful system I do it in. I'd love for you clowns to come try and 'bump' me.

Ganking is pvp.

What does someone do when they jump into a camped gate? They burn to gate. He doesn't shoot but is killed before he reaches 2k of gate.

Is it pvp? Yes.

Properly fit your mining ship with defensive mods. We are here to remind you that just because it's highsec doesn't mean that you can parade in it naked.

More miners are not ganked then those who are. So what does that tell you? I think we need more gankers.





Join the CODE today!

Couldnt help laugh about this, "It needs a lot of preparation and knowledge about game mechanics", if you think that you are clueless. Move alt, find a miner, jump into your small ganking destroyer, warp gate to gate, warp to your alt, target press F1, how is this a lot of preparation and knowledge of game mechanics? Cause really thats all it takes. Dont come here thinking you are some leet pvper cause you can gank a few miners cause its really really easy to do and anyone can do it.

There are also people who are unable to hammer a nail into a wall. I hope this answers your question.

We should be glad hat these people found an activity that matches their abilities.

Just to let you all know.

Ganking (pvp) is still a valid form of PVP.

And it gets alot of good fights.

If we didn't have an endless supply of targets do you think we would still be doing this? If everyone tanked there ships to kingdom come would we still be doing this?

Yes and Yes, because it gets us good fights and we love to PVP and keep high sec honest. If we aren't doing it then noone is.

I just love good fights and being a champion of high sec, whats so wrong with that?

What about the cops who also hire themselves out to do security at events, concerts, school dances etc on 'paid duties', to make a little extra cash in fun risk-free ways? Are they still not ultimately cops?

Many of us do both.

p.s.
For your insulting carebear heresy a +1 has been added to my kill-it-forward queue.

F

The problem with you guys isn't that you gank miners, or incursioners, or bling mission battleships, or freighters, or whatever prey floats your boat. It's that you think you're upholding some standards of gameplay. This is a sandbox. As soon as you complained that they were "playing the game wrong", you rendered your opinion irrelevant. The same goes for all this CODE nonsense; if people get a kick out of enforcing their "code" and splurging about it on the forms (even those that can't find the "undock" button), fine and dandy. The stupidity comes when they start talking about AFKing and botting. Botting is bannable; report it. If you don't and gank instead, you are just ganking; the other person botting is irrelevant. Same with AFKing; if people play AFK, that's their business. You have neither the power, ability, or right to enforce any (nonexistant) rule about AFKing; the only thing you have the right to do is gank tht target. Their presence or absence at the keyboard is irrelevant. IF people wanted to actually FIX AFKing they would advocate for a more interesting mining experience, but then, what would the CODEies do for forum attention?

If you want to add me to your silly list, go right ahead. Our headquarters is in Sendaya. If you find me, you just go for it; my ratting ships are all PVP fit. Bring some friends if you like; we love good fights and we'll be happy to scramble Pocket Rockets.

Trying to police afk play or botting isnt roleplaying. Pretending to be organized crime lords, terrorists or fanatics that attack people in highsec is roleplaying.

Trying to police afk play or botting isnt roleplaying. Pretending to be organized crime lords, terrorists or fanatics that attack people in highsec is roleplaying.

Pretending to be BRAVE while whining and being a downright Grinch, how would you call that than?
Did you ever read http://minerbumping.com ? If that isn't some grade A roleplaying, nothing is.
It's even roleplaying on a grand scale with the good of our game in mind...

You might think it's silly, stupid or even pointless (I assure you it is not) but the moment we loose people who are invested that heavily in EVE is the moment CCP can shutdown the servers. No amount of AFK/botting players makes for a good game.
Quite the opposite.

e: Oh and we've come visit you plenty... They all docked up except the AFK ones who got thought a lesson about playing games yand not doing this

So the ones that disagree with the honorable thing we are doing in high sec, do you think that high sec should be perfectly safe because that is what it sounds like to me.

I don't think anyone really cares to be honest, I think what you are mis-reading isn't that people are opposed to other people ganking in highsec; people do however get tired of said gankers chestbeating in literally every eve-related forum about how ~elite pvp~ they are because of their knowledge of ~game mechanics~ and how to successfully push a button to scan a ship.

Ganking is what it is, bragging about it is about the most tryhard thing you can do. Literally smug about punching a pacifist. It is however, one of the most legit ways to make isk without grinding your soul away shooting little red boxy things.

I don't think anyone really cares to be honest, I think what you are mis-reading isn't that people are opposed to other people ganking in highsec; people do however get tired of said gankers chestbeating in literally every eve-related forum about how ~elite pvp~ they are because of their knowledge of ~game mechanics~ and how to successfully push a button to scan a ship.

Ganking is what it is, bragging about it is about the most tryhard thing you can do. Literally smug about punching a pacifist. It is however, one of the most legit ways to make isk without grinding your soul away shooting little red boxy things.

'versus' means 'against' or 'opposed' and this makes me madder than i like to admit

So, you're telling us not to meta, while we roleplay?

Do you seriously hear yourself? You're telling people that the way they play the game is wrong. Which is precisely the same thing I say to people who afk in belts for hours on end./quote] No, Im not. I said several times that if you want to play this way, then play this way. I'm pointing out that you are just playing the game; you are not some a priori effort to improve it just because you say so. Your ganking is just ganking and does not address the problem you claim it does.

[Quote]The difference is, I'm actually playing the game, and they're just watching Family Guy with a tab of this game open at the same time.

You cared enough to post. #isenseyourjimmiesandjellyrustling

If it upsets you that much noone is forcing you to read it.

Don't be hating because we are styling on you bro. Accept it for what it is and remember to pick up a permit from any authorized new order agent for a cool 10mil isk for one year.

Ill wait for your - *you are so bad and I'm going to cry more* post

GG2EZ4ME

I don't think anyone really cares to be honest, I think what you are mis-reading isn't that people are opposed to other people ganking in highsec; people do however get tired of said gankers chestbeating in literally every eve-related forum about how ~elite pvp~ they are because of their knowledge of ~game mechanics~ and how to successfully push a button to scan a ship.

Ganking is what it is, bragging about it is about the most tryhard thing you can do. Literally smug about punching a pacifist. It is however, one of the most legit ways to make isk without grinding your soul away shooting little red boxy things.

So, you're telling us not to meta, while we roleplay?

Do you seriously hear yourself? You're telling people that the way they play the game is wrong. Which is precisely the same thing I say to people who afk in belts for hours on end./quote] No, Im not. I said several times that if you want to play this way, then play this way. I'm pointing out that you are just playing the game; you are not some a priori effort to improve it just because you say so. Your ganking is just ganking and does not address the problem you claim it does.


They're playing the game too, and suffering the consequences of their choices. That's fine, but it dorsn't give you some sort of claim to playing "right". Acceptable losses in the name of greater efficiency can be written off. Hell, for all you know they arent afk at all; they're hotdropping someone on their other screen. Going to start a crusade against multiple accounts, too? Good luck with that.

It isnt even that so much as the self appointed balance-and-proper-gameplay police sperging on the forums with no productive suggestions. It's mostly mindless ranting with nothing CCP will ever listen to, so it does, indeed, become chest-beating.

You cared enough to post. #isenseyourjimmiesandjellyrustling

Sadly, the only time CCP ever listens to an idea is if they can use it for either player retention or to boost new player subscriptions.



Sorry, I blindly assumed the people in this thread didn't breathe through their mouths.

A brief sidebar about semantics. Particularly in the code vernacular.

If the attack is against a bot (or aspirant) then 'technically' isn't it PVE. If shooting red +'s controlled by an AI is pve, then surely killing an afk miner could be considered in similar terms.

Insert Code and J315 champions of hisec PVE logo [Here]

Im telling you your meta is not roleplaying, and isnt actually about improving the game.




Lol who said anything about starting a war against multiple accounts? I think you should have a read of the code and understand it abit more before commenting further.

This thread started by myself confirming that ganking is good old fashioned pvp. Spin it how you want but at the end of the day, it's a player vsing another player. It's a lot of new players first taste of pvp and probably one of the best fights the majority will experience, as a champion of high sec I am glad I can be the one to give them that good fight.

If its so evil go start a petition about it and about how upset we make you. Your forcing yourself to read the forums, not us.

Champions of high sec are the ones keeping high sec an honest place. I'm good at what I do, how many other people do you know have pvp'd 1200 exhumers like a boss?

Sadly, the only time CCP ever listens to an idea is if they can use it for either player retention or to boost new player subscriptions.

self-aggrandizing meta

Try some reading comprehension next time. iI have never said theres anything wrong with ganking. Its solely the self-aggrandizing meta I criticize. As for getting upset, if you dont like my responses, don't post.

You do realize that pvping miners takes skill right.

Sometimes when I'm trying to pvp, I will land in a belt heavily outnumbered, I know I'm going to die yet I never give up, when the enemy has capital class industrial ships on grid with multiple exhumer support and the vessels number in the dozens, I begin to lose strength and feel that all hope is lost. But I reach deep inside my heart and gain the strength only possible by my faith in the code. I ready my blasters and unleash the judgement of our savior onto the nearest non-compliants with a rain void I can only succeed. When my ship is destroyed and I have reached home, I don't get discouraged as I know I have the Code. In my heart and have had a good fight in local.

This is what it means to be a champion of high sec.

Going to start a crusade against multiple accounts, too? Good luck with that. Your video game elitism is ridiculous.

The problem with you guys isn't that you gank miners, or incursioners, or bling mission battleships, or freighters, or whatever prey floats your boat. It's that you think you're upholding some standards of gameplay. This is a sandbox. As soon as you complained that they were "playing the game wrong", you rendered your opinion irrelevant. The same goes for all this CODE nonsense; if people get a kick out of enforcing their "code" and splurging about it on the forms (even those that can't find the "undock" button), fine and dandy. The stupidity comes when they start talking about AFKing and botting. Botting is bannable; report it. If you don't and gank instead, you are just ganking; the other person botting is irrelevant. Same with AFKing; if people play AFK, that's their business. You have neither the power, ability, or right to enforce any (nonexistant) rule about AFKing; the only thing you have the right to do is gank tht target. Their presence or absence at the keyboard is irrelevant. IF people wanted to actually FIX AFKing they would advocate for a more interesting mining experience, but then, what would the CODEies do for forum attention?

If you want to add me to your silly list, go right ahead. Our headquarters is in Sendaya. If you find me, you just go for it; my ratting ships are all PVP fit. Bring some friends if you like; we love good fights and we'll be happy to scramble Pocket Rockets.

Oh you guys! Ganking can go either/or. There are times when ganking is stupid easy; an AFK miner, an AFK mission runner, ect. [...]

Jealousy isn't an attractive quality friend.

But I do find it hard to stay humble being a true high sec champion and all. I could see why people would hate on a champion who has embraced the code and accepted James 315 as his savior and is happy.

Ganking is PVP - but what you did, killing that miner, is a form of PVP called griefing, which is a bannable offence. Unfortunately CCP chooses not to enforce their own rules in this regard. You had nothing to gain from destroying that miners ship except for the pleasure of causing him headache and lost time, which is griefing.

James315 is a pubbie that writes long winded articles nobody reads.

Ganking miners, again, is what it is, calling yourself a champion is a laughable prospect but, whatever makes you feel important.

The 'CODE' is roleplaying faggotry at it's core.

True Pirates don't live in Highsec.

#GGWP2EZ.

James315 is a pubbie that writes long winded articles nobody reads.

Ganking miners, again, is what it is, calling yourself a champion is a laughable prospect but, whatever makes you feel important.

The 'CODE' is roleplaying faggotry at it's core.

True Pirates don't live in Highsec.

#GGWP2EZ.

Highly ironic this guy is calling 'faggotry' on someone.

If you haven't noticed I've been responding all night. It must get upsetting that if you were a champion like me you wouldn't be crying it up on the forums

I have no reason to be upset because I am #winning while everyone is #admiringmaskillzyo

#getonmylevel

I cannot be brought down by someone who literally has their personal kb link in their signature...

.

you just GOT brought down

Oh, God no, I'm not a hypocrite, you see. I have like 5 accounts.

And as for your "come fight us!" thing, I was in Sendaya just the other day, doing the Angel Arc in a (completely shitfit) Malediction. When I did actually see you guys, none of you even yellowboxed me. Fucks sake I saw someone with a T1 Hauler out there.

So don't act like you guys always bring the pain, you try to fight when you're ready to do so, just like everyone else.

Hilarious... It's hardly self inflicted when you and your nullbear ilk spoon feed it to them.

D.

The Angel epic arc involves going to Sendaya for like 30 seconds to one of the starter agents.. and seriously, a malediction? Our newbies have been told over and over not to chase interceptors because they're always off-grid boosted and just try to separate their atrons and such from the pack and pick them off while doing 7000+ m/s. You see, we don't all have off-grid boosters, and many of the newbies have, at most, a few million skill points and can't even T2 fit their frigates. They know better than to even try interceptors becuase they simply can't catch up, and if they do, they can't stay close enough to hold point or get a web.

If you actually ENGAGE one of them, that's when the swarms of angry newbies arrive, but obviously you didn't do that. No worries; just passing through. If you actually WANTED a fight, you'd have gotten one. Hell, we formed 68 people to fend off a 15 man BL fleet the other day while we had a major op out in null. We got our asses handed to us since we were kitchen sink and had a 'volunteer' FC, but we still had fun and we definitely fought. I could have done without the Hyperion loss.. but that's what it was for, so I don't feel too bad. Yes, we blob. It works, especially when so many of your pilots basically just have no idea what they're doing.

Nothing that happens in Highsec matters.

lolkillboardstats.

Ive said it before and will say it again. Jealousy is not an attractive quality friend.

Nothing that happens in Highsec matters.

lolkillboardstats.

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True Pirates don't live in Highsec.
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Highsec is the most populated area in the game. It's where the industry is. It's where the market is and trillions of ISK are moved around day after day. I am sure something happens in a place like this that matters.

A brief sidebar about semantics. Particularly in the code vernacular.

If the attack is against a bot (or aspirant) then 'technically' isn't it PVE. If shooting red +'s controlled by an AI is pve, then surely killing an afk miner could be considered in similar terms.

Insert Code and J315 champions of hisec PVE logo [Here]

Why would I ever be jealous of someone I didn't know existed until a few hours ago, and probably won't remember tomorrow?

One day you might be known, but today isn't that day.

Highsec is the most populated area in the game. It's where the industry is. It's where the market is and trillions of ISK are moved around day after day. I am sure something happens in a place like this that matters.

Are you sure it does not matter who controls this place? Or do you think it can't be controlled and that capsuleers are only supposed to project power out there in nullsec where CCP created some game mechanic for it? Do you think the "endgame" is out there in some XYZ system and not in Jita because everyone tells you it has to be this way?

If you look at recent EVE trailers from CCP, they always have some kind of element about how the capsuleers influence in empire space is rising. So even CCP seams to acknowledge that we are taking over. I wait for the trailer where the CONCORD guy gets knocked down and James 315 takes over the mic.

What does this have to do to with the fact that high security space ganking is pvp?

We have no interest in you or the BRAVE collective. Even brave collective guys jump in on our fleets for some pvp.

ganking real life equivalent
running over a pedestrian in a cross walk and then bragging to everyone that your a hardened killer .

wile ill admit ganking is pvp in the sense your going against a player but i still dont like it as it makes my ships cost more.

A) I was replying to someone else, not to you, and B) Obviously its pvp. Duh. Why would you even make a topic like that? I'll re-use an analogy I saw somewhere else on this forum - racing mini-vans is technically auto-racing. It is not, however, a very meaningful type of auto racing. You're a mini-van racer; you rely entirely on attacking ships totally unsuited for combat. At least people ganking mission battleships or incursion battleships are attacking something that is theoretically a useful combat ship; short range Vanguard incursion blaster boats especially.

Tooting your own horn about killing a lot of mining barges makes you look like one of those starcraft players that gets to silver league by cannon rushing every game, can't rise any higher because people know how to counter it, then convinces himself he's good because he's not in bronze.



So? We have plenty of it where we are. BRAVE is huge; some people have esoteric interests.

Good Morning esteemed community of C & P,

Yesterday I had an interesting conversation with a 2 month old high sec miner regarding myself and my corp ganking miners in high sec.

As is customary in local, after I fought a mackinaw with my catalyst I exclaimed "Good Fight" in local, and proceeded to express my love of PVP, by saying " I love to pvp"

A miner who was in the ice belt at the time proceeded to respond that it is not pvp due to it not being a fitted combat ship that could kill me. Killing defenceless ships is not pvp due to them not being able to fight you.

I proceeded to explain that as I was versing a player, and the person I killed was a player, therefore I was "versing" another player which qualifies to fall under player versus player.

Now correct me if I am wrong, but every ship in the game, besides concord, npc rats, faction police, customs officials etc is another player, and therefor ganking another player, defenceless or not is PVP.

Miners/carebears that read this need to be well aware that Ganking is PVP and always will be, defenceless or not.

Thankyou in advance,

loyalanon
The Conference Elite
Enforcer of the Code. and a true Champion of high sec.

Kyperion

Ganking a miner is no more 'PVP' than an adult slashing the throat of a baby is 'fighting'

....A 30 million SP Missioner facing NPC rats in a level one mission has more testicular fortitude than your average miner ganker.

Having loyalanon and his rather numerous friends show up in Kino is always a treat for both myself and the Code compliant miners. Seeing a loud, foul mouthed rebel miner suddenly surrounded by red flashing ships and reduced to gas and podded 16 jumps away always raises moral (and silences dissent).

In any case, I'm pretty sure nobody is actually claiming that they are paragons of Eve PvP because they've destroyed dozen, hundreds or even thousands of miners. My opinion is that ganking IS PvP by definition. But elite PvP?

No. Elite PvP is controlling the activities of thousands of highsec miners who have bought permits or mine in Procurers despite that being the definition of surrendering to the reality of the New Order as the rightful authority of Highsec or the, now literally, thousands of complaints, insults, petitions, illogical rationalizations and down right real world threats that our activities have generated.

How many miners who formerly believed they could safely AFK mine in highsec now know different? How many ships have been tanked because the last one they had had been confiscated by New Order Knights? How many players who formerly thought they HAD to mine in highsec to start their Eve careers said, "Screw this!", strapped on guns instead of mining lasers and went out and shot somebody in the face.... all because a New Order ganker showed them there was a better way to play?

Some of the posters here have hit the truth very close, although they didn't mean to. The point of ganking isn't to destroy a mining ship, say "Yay, look at me!" and point to a nice kill board. No, the point, which is what the carebears HATE most about it, IS the meta. The "We control you", "No, you don't", BLAP! "Yes, we do...." If being ganked was what bothered people (and to tell the truth, it is what some people just want to avoid, hence the "tank your ships" comments) then we wouldn't see all the complaints about whether the Code was legitimate, whether we had "the right" to do what we do and oh, God! NOT THE ROLEPLAYING!

We sell hundreds of permits a month. We destroy thousands of ships. We make players change what they want to do, sometimes to what we tell them to do, sometimes to protect themselves while they fool themselves into thinking they are still in control of their game play. The angriest are the one who actually DO understand what we are doing. Because they know that despite all that has been said and done about it, we still enforce the Code every day.

I'm always very glad to hear that a particular miner who claims to have never been ganked or bumped by us is still very aware of our existence and what we require of them. Its one thing for someone who has personally been compelled by our Agents to go read www.minerbumping.com . Its a demonstration of our real influence when those who haven't show they care about who we are and what we do.

Don't worry. Your turn will come.


Highsec is worth fighting for.

Bing Bangboom
Agent of the New Order of Highsec
Belligerent Undesirable

But its still pvp, that is why everyone like yourself is getting upset about it

I've been telling them they're ridiculous this entire time, and live in low-sec, not null sec, so what you could possibly be talking about is a mystery to everyone but you. It seems to be the habit in here to imagine what someone said, and respond to that.

And Nothing that happens in Highsec matters.

I have a solution to everyone's problems. If you don't like CODE, wardec them. It isn't like they are hiding in a NPC corp, or they are using disposable characters (using disposables to gank might be bannable, I can't remember). Wardec them. (sarcasm) Since they obviously have no PvP skills, you will be forcing them to dock, since if they fly in high, you'll get them, if they fly in low, the 'real' PvP'ers will get them, and if they fly in null, goons will get them.

I'm not 'upset' I'm laughing at these people who do the exact same activity the miners are doing... shooting at 'rocks' and somehow think they are masters of the universe

It really is entertaining

So, lemme get this straight, your definition of 'elite' PVP is scamming new players?

LMFAO

I didn't think it was possible but, we found the one group of self-righteous pricks with greater delusions of grandeur than the goons!

Looks to me someone is trying to cover how upset they are with the use of smiley faces. The fact is you posted 3 times in quick succession angry that miner PVP is the best PVP. That's right person vs person.

Nowhere in the post you quoted is there a reference to "new players", nor "scamming".

hokay 'champion' killer

The Permit Fee is a scam, the only targets they can ever hope to go after are new eve players... therefore the whole post is referencing scamming and targeting of the newest members of our community

Gaining funds - for the betterment of EVE in general and Hisec in particular - by racketeering the habitants of said game/space is NOT SCAMMING.

10 million fee per year... OH NOES, HOWEVER WILL WE NEWBIES BE ABLE TO FIT OUR MINING WINDICATORS WITH OFFICER MINING LAZORS NAW?!


D.

Sorry, If someone did something this stupid, they get ganked anyways... Permit or no permit... People on this level of stupidity need to learn the hard way. (By the way, yes I know the above post is mostly sarcasm, but I still see the occasional untanked mach's with faction strip miners...)

Been a long time since I fit up a mining ship, but aren't strip miners barg/Exhumer only?

Having loyalanon and his rather numerous friends show up in Kino is always a treat for both myself and the Code compliant miners. Seeing a loud, foul mouthed rebel miner suddenly surrounded by red flashing ships and reduced to gas and podded 16 jumps away always raises moral (and silences dissent).

In any case, I'm pretty sure nobody is actually claiming that they are paragons of Eve PvP because they've destroyed dozen, hundreds or even thousands of miners. My opinion is that ganking IS PvP by definition. But elite PvP?

No. Elite PvP is controlling the activities of thousands of highsec miners who have bought permits or mine in Procurers despite that being the definition of surrendering to the reality of the New Order as the rightful authority of Highsec or the, now literally, thousands of complaints, insults, petitions, illogical rationalizations and down right real world threats that our activities have generated.

How many miners who formerly believed they could safely AFK mine in highsec now know different? How many ships have been tanked because the last one they had had been confiscated by New Order Knights? How many players who formerly thought they HAD to mine in highsec to start their Eve careers said, "Screw this!", strapped on guns instead of mining lasers and went out and shot somebody in the face.... all because a New Order ganker showed them there was a better way to play?

Some of the posters here have hit the truth very close, although they didn't mean to. The point of ganking isn't to destroy a mining ship, say "Yay, look at me!" and point to a nice kill board. No, the point, which is what the carebears HATE most about it, IS the meta. The "We control you", "No, you don't", BLAP! "Yes, we do...." If being ganked was what bothered people (and to tell the truth, it is what some people just want to avoid, hence the "tank your ships" comments) then we wouldn't see all the complaints about whether the Code was legitimate, whether we had "the right" to do what we do and oh, God! NOT THE ROLEPLAYING!

We sell hundreds of permits a month. We destroy thousands of ships. We make players change what they want to do, sometimes to what we tell them to do, sometimes to protect themselves while they fool themselves into thinking they are still in control of their game play. The angriest are the one who actually DO understand what we are doing. Because they know that despite all that has been said and done about it, we still enforce the Code every day.

I'm always very glad to hear that a particular miner who claims to have never been ganked or bumped by us is still very aware of our existence and what we require of them. Its one thing for someone who has personally been compelled by our Agents to go read www.minerbumping.com . Its a demonstration of our real influence when those who haven't show they care about who we are and what we do.

Don't worry. Your turn will come.


Highsec is worth fighting for.

Bing Bangboom
Agent of the New Order of Highsec
Belligerent Undesirable

That's why I said a mach... meaning machinaw

jelly, jelly, jelly, derp Nothing like the real thing jelly jelly jelly, herp

And yet, here you are, in a thread celebrating the elite Hisec pvpers,

laminating about how everyone should kiss your elite nullbear feet

and how much you lift or something.... Sad little wannabe

Nullsec is dead.
Lowsec is allright.
Highsec is worth fighting for

Nullsec is boring.
Lowsec is boring.
Highsec doesn't matter.

The login screen is worth fighting.

Gaining funds - for the betterment of EVE in general and Hisec in particular - by racketeering the habitants of said game/space is NOT SCAMMING.

10 million fee per year... OH NOES, HOWEVER WILL WE NEWBIES BE ABLE TO FIT OUR MINING WINDICATORS WITH OFFICER MINING LAZORS NAW?!


D.



GåôGåô Except for the words in all caps, no sarcasm is present in this post.

Just champion of highsec is fine, no need to add the killer part!

you want real excitement, try joining your local boxing/UFC gym, and actually participating in the glories of true, personal, bloody combat. Until then, you are all mouth-breathing neckbeard posers.

My kickboxing is legendary in reallife, how is yours?

Watch out people, Kyperion is a real badass in reallife for real, who has a life as opposed to us neckbeards poasting and playing videogames
Let's all bow our neckbearded nerd heads in shame.

D.

At no point did I claim to be a badass, I am a very average guy. I am Firefighter and a United States Marine, but chose to enlist in the reserves, and landed in a damn HQ company and as such never got deployed even though I volunteered a few times. So no I am not some 'Hero' .... I am just illuminating those like yourself who think shooting pixels is somehow in the least bit exciting or vindicates your prey on the weak and feeble mentality.

Nullsec is boring.
Lowsec is boring.
Highsec doesn't matter.

The login screen is worth fighting.

Maybe go try WoW, since you hate EVE so much, eh?

Or perhaps you are just playing this glorious jewel of an MMO incorrectly.

I, for one, am having a blast PvPing in highsec, where everything of consequence happens anyway. The significance of what we do is evidenced in the level of tears that come gushing out whenever somebody mentions highsec PvP in the forums.

Why would I ever be jealous of someone I didn't know existed until a few hours ago, and probably won't remember tomorrow?

One day you might be known, but today isn't that day.

Think it was Danalee who said it wasnt the gankers in this thread who made this thread about chestbeating, maybe you should read the thread from the beginning Im pretty sure somone claims to have killed over 1200 mining barges on the first page.

EDIT: ah read post #6

I took your advice, and re-read the first page...
OP = statement on the question if ganking = PVP
Post 2 = poster saying, yes, it is.
Post number 3 = some whining about griefing*
Post number 4 = rebuttal
Post 5 = more whining
6 rebuttal
Ad nauseam ad infinitum

* waaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ganking is PVP - but what you did, killing that miner, is a form of PVP called griefing, which is a bannable offence. Unfortunately CCP chooses not to enforce their own rules in this regard. You had nothing to gain from destroying that miners ship except for the pleasure of causing him headache and lost time, which is griefing which is a bannable offence. waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

What was your point again?

D.

Post #6

"If you bothered to check some facts regarding myself you would see that I am very good at pvping miners in James 315 territory. I would even go so far as to say I am the number 1 exhumer killer in all of Eve, the undisputed champion of killing exhumers.

https://zkillboard.com/character/1941616627/"

If you cant even read what are you doing here? Really.