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Piwat King
Piwat Explorations Enterprises
11
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Posted - 2014.03.11 17:37:00 -
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I scout Wh space everyday, and lately it's been.....
Empty.
I come here (to the forums) to see what's what periodicly.
I see the same complaint over and over, no content in WH space. Nothing to do people are bored.
Wh space was always about making your own content. Except the large WH corps/alliances have shot themselves in the foot time and time again.
You think to yourselves "Let's evict these guys, they didn't give us a gud fight even tho we outnumber them 3:1" (hail BOB)
So you proceed to remove them, and now there's one less corp/alliance in WH space. Less Content.
Rinse, Repeat.
Every time you evict someone, you remove content from WH space. By leaving them there (esp in C5/C6) you give yourselves a chance to catch them plexing at a future date = creating content.
But every time you evict someone, sure some may come back into WH space, there will be a small percent of players that won't return. reducing the number of people to shoot at.
It's called preservation, we do it in the real world for resources that are renewable (you know replanting forests....) the concept isn't that different in WH space boys and girls.
Next time some idiot comes up with the idea to evict another small group from Wh space remember you're only creating your own boredom.
you have only yourselves to blame.
Flame away. I thought I'd just point out my perspective on the whole situation.
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CeNSeR
Boris Johnson's Love Children Awakened.
72
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Posted - 2014.03.11 17:58:00 -
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Can we have some stats or some form of proof to support your claims. |

Dizzy Uzzy
Aliastra Gallente Federation
19
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Posted - 2014.03.11 18:01:00 -
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Phew I'm glad you pointed this out. |

Hidden Fremen
Lazerhawks
323
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Posted - 2014.03.11 18:27:00 -
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People are still evicting people? Snipped signature for inappropriate language - CCP Eterne |

mechform
Obstergo Red Coat Conspiracy
9
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Posted - 2014.03.11 18:35:00 -
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leet wormhole terminology. Usually forum alts that do not wormhole complain about lack of content in WH's.
So if you are basing 'your perspective' on the forums, it might not be the best data point to start a discussion on the topic of wh content.
Black Power - Brotha's in space unite! |

Rroff
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
623
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Posted - 2014.03.11 18:47:00 -
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These days those kind of evictions happen 9 times out of 10 because either someone wants that hole or has been hired by someone who wants that hole - even in the past when some groups were more inclined to evict people in the manner your talking about it was generally because they had been encountered multiple times with significant numbers online but had always POSed up and/or logged off - it generally didn't happen just because, there aren't many groups left who take that approach to people dodging PVP when they have the numbers for it any more however. |

Henry Cummings
Rapax.Legion
30
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Posted - 2014.03.11 18:49:00 -
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'Lately' is probably the worst term that could have been used.
How late is lately? Lately there haven't been any high profile evictions. Lately wormhole space has been as empty as it's always been. And if it even has been empty lately, it has had nothing to do with eviction levels, but instead to do with wormhole alliances requiring large numbers to be operational, and those alliances being extremely volatile in comparison to nullsec alliances.
Less large alliances that can sustain their space = less content in that space, save for farmers that pos up as soon as anything enters dscan. If you're seriously expecting those farmers to generate more content by 'plexing' than with a good old fashioned eviction (which no one even does nowadays) than you should seriously reconsider your argument.
That said, I have little experience with sub-c5 space, but it is my understanding their mechanics make evictions even less desirable when confronted with serious wormhole groups.
TL:DR you're bad at wormhole space, post with your main. Etc. |

MadbaM
Hard Knocks Inc.
71
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Posted - 2014.03.11 19:08:00 -
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Ok ill give you some things to consider also OP.
1) Despite what many people think ganking people solo running missions or mining and other assorted PVE activity's while being somewhat entertaining dose not satisfy my lust for full blooded PVP engagements.
2) Catching people actively running capital escalations in C5+ is very hard to do unless there horribly incompetent, it either takes hours for rage rolling with a pre-formed fleet. This is hard to do because its boring and fleets dwindle. The other method is to go full Blood Union on there asses and this in itself also is boring and needs no small amount of foresight.
So taking the first two points into consideration these people provide very little content to other entities in relation to the number of people they fill there systems with. They are usually alts of K-Space scum and when trouble rolls into them logg of and go play on other toons.
The only reason they aren't evicted as much as they deserve to be is because doing so is a very boring and not very profitable undertaking.
So no we aren't shooting ourselves in the foot because these people have no intention of ever providing content apart from maybe the one time a year you manage to catch them out. But by evicting them your sending a message, maybe they regroup and come back hopefully next time they come back with a better attitude.
Bob rewards courage and intelligence in equal measure, bob favors the bold and punishes the cowardly. |

ROSSLINDEN0
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
217
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Posted - 2014.03.11 19:31:00 -
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Tbh recently iv seen a massive increase in content compared to last year so i think things are getting better, and hopefully the ruskies get more sov so that we get even more content from our c5 -> nulls |

unimatrix0030
Viperfleet Inc. Disavowed.
94
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Posted - 2014.03.11 20:15:00 -
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Evictions? How many large evictions do you count? I mean succesfull ones where posses were burned. Most recent one was why so serious but beyond that who else?
I do think there are less people in c5/c6 but other then stories about evictions making people scared i see few reason that people aren't moving into c5-c6 space. Maybe that don't have enough people? That is usualy the big problem, or they can't set the pos security to an aceptable level. |

Rall Mekin
End-of-Line
279
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Posted - 2014.03.11 20:18:00 -
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We find fights almost daily in and around C5 space. When we don't, our k-space connections usually offer pew not far away. Lately we've been doing a lot of ops in k-space for learning to fly kitey shield.
For reference, last night we had a good time having a 3-way with blue-fire and Quebec's Underdog League. There was less blood shed than all would have liked, but volleys were exchanged aplenty. Thanks to all the bros involved, by the way. Blue-Fire are fun guys (after the initial encounter, we sided with blue-fire and camped Quebec... since they had at least one capital on the other side of their wormhole).
Wormhole space is also very empty--most holes we roll are empty, but if you pre-occupy yourself with making sleeper gold/scanning further down chains/roaming the k-space entrances, a lot of time you encounter people later on. Its all a matter of ready, willing, and able--knowing how to bait and stalk also helps a lot too. Join End-of-Line, -EOL, today, and kill your CEO! (Terms and conditions apply.)
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Winthorp
Sky Fighters
1267
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Posted - 2014.03.11 20:25:00 -
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Actully i have found our space to be a rather full landscape of late and if memory serves me way back when Two Step was CSM he was able to get stats that showed infact the great majority of tower kilss have been in C1/2 space.
Come back with some stats or scan harder IMO. (Insert witty signature here) |

The Cue
Applied Agoraphobia
10
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Posted - 2014.03.11 20:40:00 -
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Nearly all the complaints I hear about how empty wormhole space is come from people with the wrong static or wrong hole. WH space can seems empty just because there aren't enough probers out exploring more of the chain; more often than not, it's the groups who aren't big enough to probe the huge chains down, but live in a C5/C5. I also hear it from groups who are too big, but have a C3 or C1 static on a C5. In this case, it's the opposite, they have ten people wanting to probe but their chain ends as soon as it starts.
To pretty much everyone who says WH space is dead, I counter by saying, change your hole. |

Jack Miton
Sky Fighters
3069
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Posted - 2014.03.11 20:42:00 -
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Ive found it rather easy to find things to shoot lately so I have no idea what youre talking about. Stuck In Here With Me:-á http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/ |

Bane Nucleus
Sky Fighters
1183
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Posted - 2014.03.11 21:32:00 -
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Henry Cummings wrote:
That said, I have little experience with sub-c5 space, but it is my understanding their mechanics make evictions even less desirable when confronted with serious wormhole groups.
Two Step posting numbers when he was on the CSM that showed the amount of POSs getting removed in c2 space is almost identical to c5 space. The numbers also showed the average number of people on those POS kills to be very similar as well.
Obviously, just numbers doesn't tell the entire story but I found it to be rather striking. No trolling please |

Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire
541
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Posted - 2014.03.12 00:16:00 -
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Getting my warpcorestabbed cloak-fitted nag ready to do some capital plexing round here 8)
Let them sleeper-LP flow! "I honestly thought I was in lowsec"
Moving pictures |

Nelly Uanos
Quebec's Underdog League Quebec United Legions
10
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Posted - 2014.03.12 00:35:00 -
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Rall Mekin wrote:For reference, last night we had a good time having a 3-way with blue-fire and Quebec's Underdog League. There was less blood shed than all would have liked, but volleys were exchanged aplenty. Thanks to all the bros involved, by the way. Blue-Fire are fun guys (after the initial encounter, we sided with blue-fire and camped Quebec... since they had at least one capital on the other side of their wormhole).
We were a bit confused at the start, since your two corp nearly have the same ticker (.EOL vs -EOL)
We then realised you were shooting each other... then stopped doing it.
Until next time!  |

Nelly Uanos
Quebec's Underdog League Quebec United Legions
10
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Posted - 2014.03.12 00:50:00 -
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double post, quoted instead of edit (I'm bad at posting ) |

Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire
245
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Posted - 2014.03.12 01:12:00 -
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Nelly Uanos wrote:Rall Mekin wrote:For reference, last night we had a good time having a 3-way with blue-fire and Quebec's Underdog League. There was less blood shed than all would have liked, but volleys were exchanged aplenty. Thanks to all the bros involved, by the way. Blue-Fire are fun guys (after the initial encounter, we sided with blue-fire and camped Quebec... since they had at least one capital on the other side of their wormhole). We were a bit confused at the start, since your two corp nearly have the same ticker (.EOL vs -EOL) We then realised you were shooting each other...  then stopped doing it.  Until next time! 
cause they stole our name  Blue-Fire Best Fire |

Le'Mon Tichim
End-of-Line
131
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Posted - 2014.03.12 04:37:00 -
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Aquila Sagitta wrote:Nelly Uanos wrote:Rall Mekin wrote:For reference, last night we had a good time having a 3-way with blue-fire and Quebec's Underdog League. There was less blood shed than all would have liked, but volleys were exchanged aplenty. Thanks to all the bros involved, by the way. Blue-Fire are fun guys (after the initial encounter, we sided with blue-fire and camped Quebec... since they had at least one capital on the other side of their wormhole). We were a bit confused at the start, since your two corp nearly have the same ticker (.EOL vs -EOL) We then realised you were shooting each other...  then stopped doing it.  Until next time!  cause they stole our name 
I'm told that's the best form of flattery though.
Can you hear them? They are calling to us. It is beautiful. http://thegreattichim.wordpress.com/ |

Sith1s Spectre
Sky Fighters
680
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Posted - 2014.03.12 05:28:00 -
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I honestly don't know what the OP is on about. I can honestly say we are having no shortage in targets to shoot at in thelast 3 months Sky Fighters - WH Space Mercs. -áFor more details https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=286708&find=unread
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BayneNothos
United Electro-Magnetic Federation Business Alliance of Manufacturers and Miners
37
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Posted - 2014.03.12 05:39:00 -
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In low end land , there isn't a lack of PvP from normal, but there is a big drop in the incidental PvP around. The Miners, the PI runners, the random HS dudes. I expected the random HS'ers to taper down as Odyssey newness cooled off and people realised that out here be Dragons. The miners have gone due to the Discovery Scanner, expected but still kinda lame. I'm really curious where all the PI runners have gone. Have player owned HS CO's meant people are moving their PI outside?
Also this time of year I find that due to Euro and AU Daylight Savings times, I end up a few hours more outside the EUTZ which doesn't start to heat up till 1am ish for me, where normally I can expect something a bit after DT 10-11pm ish). Are you just getting TZ f**ked?
Also we need better names for C1-4 and C5/6 over low/high. May I suggest Awesomeland and Terribadland? Maybe ProPvPville and Blobbers Paradise? |

Havoc Zealot
Sky Fighters
203
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Posted - 2014.03.12 06:07:00 -
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OP
Sky Fighters bring much content to these forums |

Tyrant Scorn
83
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Posted - 2014.03.12 07:00:00 -
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I think everything that is wrong with wormholes has been highlighted in the WH townhall meeting that Chitsa held last week.
Townhall Recording: https://soundcloud.com/nylon-elephant/wormhole-town-hall-09-03-2014
At some point Malcanis, current CSM 8 member, is trying to debate with the wormholers but everything wrong with this community is being displayed in that argument. Wormhole people can't debate or disagree with parties outside their circles, and that included other wormholers.
Current CSM 8 members, Mike, Ali and Malcanis have given you all the advise, tips and the means to get your points across to CCP and get WH changes on the map... However, it will require you to communicate on the forums. Sadly, wormholers can't have a constructive conversation, as soon as a not-so-popular idea is mentioned, people are grabbing pitchforks and torches. Most topics end in trolling after 2 or 3 pages and the ones that don't never get anywhere because people only come here to troll anyways.
Host at Legacy Of A Capsuleer Podcast: Http://www.legacyofacapsuleer
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GizzyBoy
Aperture Harmonics No Holes Barred
93
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Posted - 2014.03.12 07:02:00 -
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Havoc Zealot wrote:OP
Sky Fighters bring much content to these forums
Never met some one in au tz that didn't have an opinion |

Helena Heffalump
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.03.12 07:32:00 -
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lol, considering during the past month every time our corp does things inside our wormhole we have been attacked, taking significant losses, i would say wormholes are extremely crowded and not dead at all but we have been considering leaving so i guess you are right about the whole shooting themselves in the foot part |

Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Awakened.
1406
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Posted - 2014.03.12 09:02:00 -
[27] - Quote
Technically, CCP have sole responsibility for "content". Maybe what you are trying to blame players for is a lack of activity. +1 |

Axloth Okiah
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
309
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Posted - 2014.03.12 09:19:00 -
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Helena Heffalump wrote:lol, considering during the past month every time our corp does things inside our wormhole we have been attacked, taking significant losses, i would say wormholes are extremely crowded and not dead at all but we have been considering leaving so i guess you are right about the whole shooting themselves in the foot part Republic University's wormhole presence will be sorely missed. We apologize for shooting NPC alts, because they bring so much content to the wormhole community.
W-Space Realtor |

Winthorp
Sky Fighters
1307
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Posted - 2014.03.12 09:53:00 -
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Tyrant Scorn wrote:I think everything that is wrong with wormholes has been highlighted in the WH townhall meeting that Chitsa held last week. Townhall Recording: https://soundcloud.com/nylon-elephant/wormhole-town-hall-09-03-2014At some point Malcanis, current CSM 8 member, is trying to debate with the wormholers but everything wrong with this community is being displayed in that argument. Wormhole people can't debate or disagree with parties outside their circles, and that included other wormholers. Current CSM 8 members, Mike, Ali and Malcanis have given you all the advise, tips and the means to get your points across to CCP and get WH changes on the map... However, it will require you to communicate on the forums. Sadly, wormholers can't have a constructive conversation, as soon as a not-so-popular idea is mentioned, people are grabbing pitchforks and torches. Most topics end in trolling after 2 or 3 pages and the ones that don't never get anywhere because people only come here to troll anyways.
I have to stop this absurdity right there. "The WH townhall" was a select few individuals and most of those that run the major corps, these were at best a very small cross section of the WH community and i would be highly doubtful any of those present were from a class of WH's outside of a C5/6.
The whole meeting was so disorganized with only mere topics of conversation with no structure of debate, no outcome of consolidated ideas, no plan to get those achieved other then the subtle i am a CSM these are my views vote for me.
Malcanis while he had one good point that we needed to show support to our goals in one thread our CSM's can show off to CCP he then proceeded to take over a whole meeting to put his nullsec perspective ahead at every point in the debate. that guy should have been muted long ago and they showed a lot of restraint.
You say every thread here ends in trolling, that is simply not true. The ones that end in trolling are the completely stupid ideas that no one should support. A lot of ideas that come up on these forums are ideas that are skewed towards how a player or group of players play the game or how they want to, does that make these ideas good at all and mean they shouldn't be argued against. So many of the recent ideas here in the name of "conflict drivers" have the potential to make Wh space in certain areas become a wasteland and many other reasonable people can't just say nothing while ridiculous ideas are posted. While trolling does take place doesn't mistake reasonable argument as part of the pool of trolling.
I realize i and others have not given you much respect at all and while you continue to post on an alt don't expect that to change at all but you need to let go of this bizarre campaign you have going against quite a few people in the Wh community with your views on "trolling". Harden up or GTFO. (Insert witty signature here) |

corbexx
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
179
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Posted - 2014.03.12 09:59:00 -
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Tyrant Scorn wrote: At some point Malcanis, current CSM 8 member, is trying to debate with the wormholers but everything wrong with this community is being displayed in that argument. Wormhole people can't debate or disagree with parties outside their circles, and that included other wormholers.
I've attually tried talking to a couple csm members (who arent chista and james) and some of the idea's they have are so terrible you walk through why they are terrible and they just don't seem to get it at all.
One example was a csm members idea for blackholes to make the mass and time on them totally random no warnings on them going eol/crit. How many wh people would attually want to live in a blackhole when you have no idea at all of when that static is going to collapse I'm pretty sure they would be used even less than they are now.
I would also say that people outside the wh area are just as biased. I really want stations in null to be destroyable. I asked one csm about it and the replies i got were "seriouly????? are you ******* serious???? your joking right????" after explaining i wasnt and that in wh space when you get evicted or invaded you lose all your stuff in the wh (ok minus maybe a carrier and some ships in it) nearly every reason he had i simply countered with its happening already in wh space we're fine with it.
As for content in wh space I dont see a problem at all seems to be alot more people about we've had loads of great fights recently. I personally just put it down to looking for stuff to do |

Winthorp
Sky Fighters
1307
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Posted - 2014.03.12 10:04:00 -
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GizzyBoy wrote:Havoc Zealot wrote:OP
Sky Fighters bring much content to these forums Never met some one in au tz that didn't have an opinion
We have a lot of AU, and all us AU guys have a lot of **** to say. (Insert witty signature here) |

Borlag Crendraven
The Scope Gallente Federation
469
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Posted - 2014.03.12 10:45:00 -
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It's somewhat funny how big fights in null end up with news on how it's bringing the game new players, yet big fights in wormhole space are somewhow bad and unable to do the same... It might not be so visible, but it happens all the same. Those who are giving up on wormhole space after being evicted, are the people who aren't cut to live there so there's quite literally no loss.
And before someone calls me out as yet another forum alt, it's not. Was here when I was still in SSC, now in this NPC corp, and will be here no matter where I head to next. It's wspace or uninstall for me and I ain't going to do the latter anytime soon. |

Sith1s Spectre
Sky Fighters
680
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Posted - 2014.03.12 11:10:00 -
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Tyrant Scorn wrote:I think everything that is wrong with wormholes has been highlighted in the WH townhall meeting that Chitsa held last week. Townhall Recording: https://soundcloud.com/nylon-elephant/wormhole-town-hall-09-03-2014At some point Malcanis, current CSM 8 member, is trying to debate with the wormholers but everything wrong with this community is being displayed in that argument. Wormhole people can't debate or disagree with parties outside their circles, and that included other wormholers. Current CSM 8 members, Mike, Ali and Malcanis have given you all the advise, tips and the means to get your points across to CCP and get WH changes on the map... However, it will require you to communicate on the forums. Sadly, wormholers can't have a constructive conversation, as soon as a not-so-popular idea is mentioned, people are grabbing pitchforks and torches. Most topics end in trolling after 2 or 3 pages and the ones that don't never get anywhere because people only come here to troll anyways.
As one of the people who made the effort to get up at the stupid time this was held at (for my timezone) I would hardly call the "town hall" meeting a major showing of the WH community. It was like 20 dudes from SSC + about another 20 dudes from other WH groups, majority of which live in c5/c6 space.
I think it is unfair to take a very small sample group (as you have in this example) and label that as the "wormhole community"
We (as in Sky Fighters) are a very vocal bunch both on comms and forums and I encourage all of our members to voice their opinions. I make no apologies for them calling it how they see it or if they have offended you or didn't agree with you. Sky Fighters - WH Space Mercs. -áFor more details https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=286708&find=unread
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Winthorp
Sky Fighters
1307
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Posted - 2014.03.12 11:13:00 -
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Borlag Crendraven wrote:It's somewhat funny how big fights in null end up with news on how it's bringing the game new players, yet big fights in wormhole space are somewhow bad and unable to do the same... It might not be so visible, but it happens all the same. Those who are giving up on wormhole space after being evicted, are the people who aren't cut to live there so there's quite literally no loss.
And before someone calls me out as yet another forum alt, it's not. Was here when I was still in SSC, now in this NPC corp, and will be here no matter where I head to next. It's wspace or uninstall for me and I ain't going to do the latter anytime soon.
Borlag you will never be NPC to me, goodluck with your future endeavors. (Insert witty signature here) |

Jack Miton
Sky Fighters
3075
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Posted - 2014.03.12 11:19:00 -
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Tyrant Scorn wrote:Sadly, wormholers can't have a constructive conversation, as soon as a not-so-popular idea is mentioned, people are grabbing pitchforks and torches. Most topics end in trolling after 2 or 3 pages and the ones that don't never get anywhere because people only come here to troll anyways. why sohould we entertain as you put it 'not so popular' ideas? by definition most people don't want 'not so popular' ideas. do you know what 'not so popular' ideas that people like are called? 'popular' ideas. shouting down bad/unpopular ideas is exactly what SHOULD be done when theyre brought up on the forums. if people didnt shout them down, CCP might actually listen to some of the garbage that gets posted. Stuck In Here With Me:-á http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/ |

Borsek
A.A.A Ragnarok.
147
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Posted - 2014.03.12 13:39:00 -
[36] - Quote
In the past week we have rolled into/been in chain with/had been rolled into by tdsin, ssc, disavowed and more, and we killed a tower in a c6 thus evicting a corp that numbered 11 bears. I'm pretty sure that means w-space is far from dead. However, some weeks we roll into nothing and life may seem dull. Those are the days/weeks when you bear up and prepare for the non-dull weeks.
Also props to ssc for catching my papertar, it died a noble death.
tl;dr posts saying w-space is empty are about on the same level with wh-stabiliser threads. |

Gnaw LF
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
637
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Posted - 2014.03.12 15:56:00 -
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Bane Nucleus wrote:Henry Cummings wrote:
That said, I have little experience with sub-c5 space, but it is my understanding their mechanics make evictions even less desirable when confronted with serious wormhole groups.
Two Step posted numbers when he was on the CSM that showed the amount of POSs getting removed in c2 space is almost identical to c5 space. The numbers also showed the average number of people on those POS kills to be very similar as well. Obviously, just numbers doesn't tell the entire story but I found it to be rather striking.
Stuff like this makes me want to bring back whkills.info and do tons of stat tracking... but its work.... and I am a lazy bastard. |

Klarion Sythis
Sky Fighters
234
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Posted - 2014.03.12 17:03:00 -
[38] - Quote
Gnaw LF wrote:Bane Nucleus wrote:Henry Cummings wrote:
That said, I have little experience with sub-c5 space, but it is my understanding their mechanics make evictions even less desirable when confronted with serious wormhole groups.
Two Step posted numbers when he was on the CSM that showed the amount of POSs getting removed in c2 space is almost identical to c5 space. The numbers also showed the average number of people on those POS kills to be very similar as well. Obviously, just numbers doesn't tell the entire story but I found it to be rather striking. Stuff like this makes me want to bring back whkills.info and do tons of stat tracking... but its work.... and I am a lazy bastard. It was awesome while it existed. |

M1k3y Koontz
Thorn Project Surely You're Joking
554
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Posted - 2014.03.12 18:05:00 -
[39] - Quote
Hidden Fremen wrote:People are still evicting people?
There are still people to evict? How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp. |

Meytal
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
327
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Posted - 2014.03.12 18:07:00 -
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Klarion Sythis wrote:Gnaw LF wrote:Bane Nucleus wrote:Henry Cummings wrote:
That said, I have little experience with sub-c5 space, but it is my understanding their mechanics make evictions even less desirable when confronted with serious wormhole groups.
Two Step posted numbers when he was on the CSM that showed the amount of POSs getting removed in c2 space is almost identical to c5 space. The numbers also showed the average number of people on those POS kills to be very similar as well. Obviously, just numbers doesn't tell the entire story but I found it to be rather striking. Stuff like this makes me want to bring back whkills.info and do tons of stat tracking... but its work.... and I am a lazy bastard. It was awesome while it existed. This, many times over.
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ROSSLINDEN0
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
218
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Posted - 2014.03.12 18:32:00 -
[41] - Quote
Meytal wrote:Klarion Sythis wrote:Gnaw LF wrote:Bane Nucleus wrote:Henry Cummings wrote:
That said, I have little experience with sub-c5 space, but it is my understanding their mechanics make evictions even less desirable when confronted with serious wormhole groups.
Two Step posted numbers when he was on the CSM that showed the amount of POSs getting removed in c2 space is almost identical to c5 space. The numbers also showed the average number of people on those POS kills to be very similar as well. Obviously, just numbers doesn't tell the entire story but I found it to be rather striking. Stuff like this makes me want to bring back whkills.info and do tons of stat tracking... but its work.... and I am a lazy bastard. It was awesome while it existed. This, many times over. ppl should donate Gnaw stuff and he might just do it! also why wasn't this meeting public knowledge i would have turned up if i was invited... |

Klarion Sythis
Sky Fighters
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Posted - 2014.03.12 18:44:00 -
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Gnaw, confirm/deny bribes would work? |

Gnaw LF
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
640
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Posted - 2014.03.12 20:13:00 -
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Klarion Sythis wrote:Gnaw, confirm/deny bribes would work?
Bribes won't work, I would love to bring it back but I need someone who is really good with GUI to help me design the layout. I've made a bunch of different tools for eve but every time I do I just share it with my corp because they look so awful that I'm embarrassed to share them with the community at large. |

Tyrant Scorn
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Posted - 2014.03.12 20:29:00 -
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Winthorp wrote:I have to stop this absurdity right there. "The WH townhall" was a select few individuals and most of those that run the major corps, these were at best a very small cross section of the WH community and i would be highly doubtful any of those present were from a class of WH's outside of a C5/6.
Sith1s Spectre wrote:I think it is unfair to take a very small sample group (as you have in this example) and label that as the "wormhole community"
Maybe you should re-read my post, I didn't say the people attending the Town Hall meeting represented the entire WH community, I said, the problem of the community was highlighted in the meeting, I never said anything close to THE PEOPLE THERE ARE THE COMMUNITY...
I think at this point you have lost your sense of perspective and are merely replying to my posts to annoy or point out how much you disagree. At this point, no matter what I say, you will go out of your way to trash talk and you can't even read any of my posts constructively.
But I am going to reply anyways...
When you talk about the WH community, what you are actually talking about is "your little circle of friends" but you're just to damn stupid to admit it. You talk high and mighty about the WH community and yet, when people come onto the subforums you act like retards and troll the living **** out of people. You never actually help anyone, you troll them or call them bears and threat them as less.
You are not part of a community, you are part of your own little trash talking circle of friends and the only reason why you aren't admitting it is because you think you're a high class WH corp. Well, when I was still in the same Alliance as you, you were ****, nothing more then line members with nothing to say.
You worry about silly little things as alt posting, you try so hard to be right and fight any argument, just for the sake of being on the other side of the fence. Have a constructive conversation for once, try to look past your silly little pre-conceived notions that you conjured up all by yourself without actually knowing any of the facts. You draw conclusions, form opinions and draw your guns but you never actually stopped to listen to the people you're trying to fight.
Winthorp wrote:I realize i and others have not given you much respect at all and while you continue to post on an alt ".
Not going to address the issue since you drew your conclusions and made up your mind before you actually know the how, the why and the when... So, feel free to worry about these silly little things and continue to be this narrow minded. You're just showing how much of a ret*rd you really are. Host at Legacy Of A Capsuleer Podcast: Http://www.legacyofacapsuleer
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Jack Miton
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Posted - 2014.03.12 20:47:00 -
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Red, you sure do know how to complain but what's your point? You call us out exactly the same way as we call you out but you never actually make any real points or suggestions. And yes, I did read your post, there's nothing constructive in it at all. Stuck In Here With Me:-á http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/ |

Tyrant Scorn
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Posted - 2014.03.12 20:55:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:Red, you sure do know how to complain but what's your point? You call us out exactly the same way as we call you out but you never actually make any real points or suggestions. And yes, I did read your post, there's nothing constructive in it at all.
I didn't call you out, if I did, I would have quoted you... I was responding to 2 people... So you actually didn't read my post. Host at Legacy Of A Capsuleer Podcast: Http://www.legacyofacapsuleer
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Bane Nucleus
Sky Fighters
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Posted - 2014.03.12 21:44:00 -
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Tyrant Scorn wrote:
When you talk about the WH community, what you are actually talking about is "your little circle of friends" but you're just to damn stupid to admit it. You talk high and mighty about the WH community and yet, when people come onto the subforums you act like retards and troll the living **** out of people. You never actually help anyone, you troll them or call them bears and threat them as less
Wow. That is a hell of an assumption. To sit here and say we equate the wh community to our "little circle of friends" shows how far you having to reach now. Pull yourself together.
And since we are here, what exactly have you done for the community? What have you contributed to help anyone? If you had a reputation for helping people, improving the wormhole forums with quality, or anything of the sort, you would have a leg to stand on with your posts. Unforunately, I can't think of a single instance where you contributed a shred of anything on these forums besides ranting up a storm.
Lastly, there is a great thread right now with lots of c1-c4 guys expressing their thoughts on THEIR wh space experiences. I have yet to see one person who spoke on behalf of their c1-c4 get dumped on by anyone.
Tyrant Scorn wrote: You are not part of a community, you are part of your own little trash talking circle of friends and the only reason why you aren't admitting it is because you think you're a high class WH corp. Well, when I was still in the same Alliance as you, you were ****, nothing more then line members with nothing to say.
I didn't realize this was all about an old grudge you've been holding on to. It would explain why your rants seem rather skewed, off base, and generally a lot of nonsense. No trolling please |

MooMooDachshundCow
Incertae Sedis Ragnarok.
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Posted - 2014.03.12 22:06:00 -
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There's a major problem with your original thesis statements as well.
Firstly: If you can't find content, it's your own fault. We (Ragnarok) scan out our chains until we find content. If the chain has none, we roll static and repeat. This doesn't always work, but eventually we nearly always find someone.
Second: I've not found WH's to be empty at all. In fact, far from that. MANY WH's have at least an online POS if not actual logged on members to fight. After a bit of persuasion, many online entities can be encouraged to come out and play. This is part of why we allow honor fights. If some corp only has 4 members online, we will only bring 4 members of our fleet. At least this way everyone can get some content without being blobbed. (I'd like to give an honorable mention at this time to Wiski and Arctic Light who brought a VERY enjoyable gudfite this weekend - and we honored the 10v10. I hope they enjoyed it as much as we did.)
Third and finally: In case you didn't know, we mainly evict people who turtle up/refuse to fight. As such, we are taking a circumstance of no content, and turning it into content for our members. Denizens that bring fights are rolled away from afterwards with our respect and best wishes. As such, these eviction serve to cleanse Bob's holy temple of those carebears that are lacking the intestinal fortitude to PVP. This encourages other groups to PVP with us in the future, both for the fun of it AND to not be added to the list of undesirable future evictions.
I don't know where you get your info, but I disagree with it. Everything I do in Ragnarok is to create content/ISK for my members. We do not evict other groups that create content for us, unless there are other serious political/defensive considerations. Furthermore, post-eviction Ragnarok has been known to accept line members from the defeated alliances. This is because we are pragmatic and magnanimous and prefer to have friends and content over the reverse.
TL;DR - you know nothing of our ways, and your bigotry is apparent. |

Winthorp
Sky Fighters
1331
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Posted - 2014.03.12 22:15:00 -
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Tyrant Scorn wrote:Winthorp wrote:I have to stop this absurdity right there. "The WH townhall" was a select few individuals and most of those that run the major corps, these were at best a very small cross section of the WH community and i would be highly doubtful any of those present were from a class of WH's outside of a C5/6. Sith1s Spectre wrote:I think it is unfair to take a very small sample group (as you have in this example) and label that as the "wormhole community" Maybe you should re-read my post, I didn't say the people attending the Town Hall meeting represented the entire WH community, I said, the problem of the community was highlighted in the meeting, I never said anything close to THE PEOPLE THERE ARE THE COMMUNITY... I think at this point you have lost your sense of perspective and are merely replying to my posts to annoy or point out how much you disagree. At this point, no matter what I say, you will go out of your way to trash talk and you can't even read any of my posts constructively. But I am going to reply anyways... When you talk about the WH community, what you are actually talking about is "your little circle of friends" but you're just to damn stupid to admit it. You talk high and mighty about the WH community and yet, when people come onto the subforums you act like retards and troll the living **** out of people. You never actually help anyone, you troll them or call them bears and threat them as less. You are not part of a community, you are part of your own little trash talking circle of friends and the only reason why you aren't admitting it is because you think you're a high class WH corp. Well, when I was still in the same Alliance as you, you were ****, nothing more then line members with nothing to say. You worry about silly little things as alt posting, you try so hard to be right and fight any argument, just for the sake of being on the other side of the fence. Have a constructive conversation for once, try to look past your silly little pre-conceived notions that you conjured up all by yourself without actually knowing any of the facts. You draw conclusions, form opinions and draw your guns but you never actually stopped to listen to the people you're trying to fight. Winthorp wrote:I realize i and others have not given you much respect at all and while you continue to post on an alt ". Not going to address the issue since you drew your conclusions and made up your mind before you actually know the how, the why and the when... So, feel free to worry about these silly little things and continue to be this narrow minded. You're just showing how much of a ret*rd you really are.
I normally don't reply to post from NPC alts with no history but i have made an exception for you as you have come with an agenda. You post from this NPC alt with a platform of judgment about us all and about trolling and how bad it is, i really don't know what happened to you on your main to make you so bitter towards certain people like me but you are certainly not acting like the impartial journalist you say you are building as a platform for this impartial NPC alt.
You say i troll and berate me and others for it and yet you speak to us like this?
The hypocrisy is rife with you.
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Tyrant Scorn
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Posted - 2014.03.13 06:09:00 -
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Bane Nucleus wrote:I didn't realize this was all about an old grudge you've been holding on to. It would explain why your rants seem rather skewed, off base, and generally a lot of nonsense.
Again, you're making assumptions based on nothing but your own narrow minded ideas...
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Winthorp
Sky Fighters
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Posted - 2014.03.13 06:19:00 -
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Tyrant Scorn wrote:Bane Nucleus wrote:I didn't realize this was all about an old grudge you've been holding on to. It would explain why your rants seem rather skewed, off base, and generally a lot of nonsense. Again, you're making assumptions based on nothing but your own narrow minded ideas...
I like how you continue to call us names and yet we are the people trolling. (Insert witty signature here) |

Tyrant Scorn
87
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Posted - 2014.03.13 06:21:00 -
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Winthorp wrote:Tyrant Scorn wrote:Bane Nucleus wrote:I didn't realize this was all about an old grudge you've been holding on to. It would explain why your rants seem rather skewed, off base, and generally a lot of nonsense. Again, you're making assumptions based on nothing but your own narrow minded ideas... I like how you continue to call us names and yet we are the people trolling.
As you have stated before, you haven't given any respect, so I shall not give you any in return. Host at Legacy Of A Capsuleer Podcast: Http://www.legacyofacapsuleer
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Winthorp
Sky Fighters
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Posted - 2014.03.13 06:33:00 -
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Tyrant Scorn wrote:Winthorp wrote:Tyrant Scorn wrote:Bane Nucleus wrote:I didn't realize this was all about an old grudge you've been holding on to. It would explain why your rants seem rather skewed, off base, and generally a lot of nonsense. Again, you're making assumptions based on nothing but your own narrow minded ideas... I like how you continue to call us names and yet we are the people trolling. As you have stated before, you haven't given any respect, so I shall not give you any in return.
You think this will earn anyone's respect? you make yourself look like a fool.
So you are going to keep berating us for being trolls and ruining any serious debate and then go to a really low level of name calling because you have nothing serious to ever add to a discussion?
I can see why you feel the need to continually roll three month old toons to talk to us. (Insert witty signature here) |

Erica Dusette
Sky Fighters
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Posted - 2014.03.13 06:35:00 -
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As an impartial, neutral observer I can confirm Tyrant Scorn looks foolish from here. GÖí -á-á Major (Ret.) Caldari Naval Militia Gÿá -á Sky Fighters | Just an innocent explorer! pâä -áHerrbert: "womwomwowmwoaugharwajwowoooommm"
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CeNSeR
Boris Johnson's Love Children Awakened.
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Posted - 2014.03.13 06:56:00 -
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Cant you 2 just create an eve channel of your own and argue with each other in there?
Instead of sidtracking all the threads made in this forum with your childish rants. |

Iyokus Patrouette
End-of-Line
128
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Posted - 2014.03.13 06:56:00 -
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OP is right.. we must preserve the carebears of today, So we can maintain a pressence of carebears within wormholes in the future, Introduction of a new catch and release system for dealing with carebears should be introduced. . . . for some reason.
add words like sustainability into the mix somewhere so i sound credible.
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Winthorp
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Posted - 2014.03.13 07:04:00 -
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CeNSeR wrote:Cant you 2 just create an eve channel of your own and argue with each other in there?
Instead of sidtracking all the threads made in this forum with your childish rants.
No. (Insert witty signature here) |

ExookiZ
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
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Posted - 2014.03.13 11:37:00 -
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confirming the lack of content in wormholes. theres so many people up here cant find any content around. The Wormhole Kid |
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