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Lilianna Star
Perkone Caldari State
153
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Posted - 2014.03.11 21:11:00 -
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I remember one of the silver rules of EVE is to join a player corp as soon as possible.
Bad idea imo. I got stung hard doing this because veterans said it was a good idea. Turns out that there's a pretty nasty disadvantage to that. War decs are fun .
I'm not saying never join a corp, but if you want to join a corp have a reason first. It doesn't have to be a great reason, but it has to be a reason. Don't just join for its own sake.
Needless to say I'm such a carebear I never leave station without a covops cloaking device. |

Doireen Kaundur
173
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Posted - 2014.03.11 21:19:00 -
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Lilianna Star wrote: Needless to say I'm such a carebear I never leave station without a covops cloaking device.
Join a carebear corp. 
Minimizing the cost of replacing implants.
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Lilianna Star
Perkone Caldari State
154
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Posted - 2014.03.11 21:21:00 -
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Doireen Kaundur wrote:Lilianna Star wrote: Needless to say I'm such a carebear I never leave station without a covops cloaking device.
Join a carebear corp. 
Did they change War Decs since last time I joined a corp? (This is from like 2012) I thought a war dec could be instated without consent from the other corp you wish to go to war with.
If carebear corps exist, I am certain they would be the first targets of such things. |

Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
10769
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Posted - 2014.03.11 21:25:00 -
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Lilianna Star wrote:
If carebear corps exist, I am certain they would be the first targets of such things.
Correct. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |

Shrewd Tsero
Aventine Legion
35
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Posted - 2014.03.11 21:31:00 -
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Lilianna Star wrote:Did they change War Decs since last time I joined a corp? (This is from like 2012) I thought a war dec could be instated without consent from the other corp you wish to go to war with.
If carebear corps exist, I am certain they would be the first targets of such things.
Wardecs can be dropped on your corp at any time. There's no consent from the decced corp required. From my (limited) experience, if you're in a high sec corp, you're going to get decced at somepoint. Either because someone legitimately has a specific grudge against your corp and wants to play, or because there are just corps (one man or more) out there who's sole existence is based on deccing. It's how they make their money and generate content for themselves.
I've never found them to be much of a bother. Of all the things that are easy to avoid in high sec, war decs are the easiest by far. Or you could just fit out a cheap T1 frig and go have some fun. :) It is good to have substance to one's existence.-á But in the absence of substance, one can do much yet with style. |

Good Posting
Posting with my Mind
116
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Posted - 2014.03.11 21:31:00 -
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You can drop from your corp and the war won't follow you.
Or create your own 1 man corp and you will be ignored by wardeccers because wardec you will cost them 50 mill and you can disband and create a new corp for 1.6 mill more or less. Or move to a lonely low sec region when you get wardecced and keep doing your pve thing.
You have many posibilities to avoid high sec wardecs if you don't want to fight back, use them. |

Lilianna Star
Perkone Caldari State
156
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Posted - 2014.03.11 21:45:00 -
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Good Posting wrote:You can drop from your corp and the war won't follow you.
Or create your own 1 man corp and you will be ignored by wardeccers because wardec you will cost them 50 mill and you can disband and create a new corp for 1.6 mill more or less. Or move to a lonely low sec region when you get wardecced and keep doing your pve thing.
You have many posibilities to avoid high sec wardecs if you don't want to fight back, use them.
Why would I do any of that when I can just stay in Perkone and do my thing? :P |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
3065
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Posted - 2014.03.11 21:46:00 -
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Joining a corp that's worth a damn is kinda important. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Lilianna Star
Perkone Caldari State
156
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Posted - 2014.03.11 21:51:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Joining a corp that's worth a damn is kinda important.
Why? |

Batelle
HOMELE55
2201
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Posted - 2014.03.11 21:52:00 -
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The only time I ever get wardecced is when I'm in a nullsec alliance that tends to have wardecs all the time. Every other wardec i've gotten while in hisec or on an alt corp has been short and uneventful.
Any competent hisec corp should know how to run from wardecs, hide from wardecs, or fight off wardecs. There really are a large number of options. If you joined a corp and were miserable because of a wardec, then you probably joined a crappy corp. They're a dime a dozen. Try joining some people that know how to fight, or at least know how to keep playing when others mess with them.
When people join a corp and don't provide a reason, its not because there's no reason. its because its too tiring to enumerate the hundreds of reasons. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |

Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
10772
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Posted - 2014.03.11 21:52:00 -
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Lilianna Star wrote:
Why would I do any of that when I can just stay in Perkone and do my thing? :P
Because NPC corps have drawbacks, most notably when you post on the forums and people find your lack of corp disturbing. Other less notable NPC corp features would be higher taxes, **** NPC corp chat, the appearance of being an anti-social ****, lack of meaningful in game friendships and commeraderie, the inability to field more than 1 person as a defensive force ala herding cats, and not having a super cool corp logo and superleet corp title. I mentioned the whole forum thing about the lack of corp and its disturbing nature right?...because that a big one. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |

Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
3073
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Posted - 2014.03.11 21:56:00 -
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Join a noob corp. There's a cost/value equation that goes with joining an established corp. Joining my first noob corp, Demon Womb (snigg noobs) was the best decision I ever made in EvE. I leaned more in my time with them than I have at any other time in this game. You'll have the established players acting as a shield for you (to whatever degree). I can't tell you what a relief it was when I was ratting in my first Raven and some pirates jumped in, forcing me to cloak up, and then seeing a bunch of hard-core PvPer Sniggs jump in and camp the pirates until they were dead. It's also better to do it in Null... IMHO.
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Batelle
HOMELE55
2201
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Posted - 2014.03.11 21:58:00 -
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Lilianna Star wrote:Good Posting wrote:You can drop from your corp and the war won't follow you.
Or create your own 1 man corp and you will be ignored by wardeccers because wardec you will cost them 50 mill and you can disband and create a new corp for 1.6 mill more or less. Or move to a lonely low sec region when you get wardecced and keep doing your pve thing.
You have many posibilities to avoid high sec wardecs if you don't want to fight back, use them. Why would I do any of that when I can just stay in Perkone and do my thing? :P
Because statistically speaking, you'll get bored and unsub.
Because if you stay in an NPC corp, you'll be kind of isolated and less exposed to new things. Being a solo player makes a bit more sense once you've been around the block a few times, and even then you're probably better off in your own solo corp.
Because the people that live in npc corps tend to be nitwits or scout alts. If you want to chat with random people, there are plenty of channels for that.
Because the npc corp takes 11% of your cash money, instead of 0%. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |

Lilianna Star
Perkone Caldari State
156
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Posted - 2014.03.11 22:00:00 -
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Gogela wrote:Join a noob corp. There's a cost/value equation that goes with joining an established corp. Joining my first noob corp, Demon Womb (snigg noobs) was the best decision I ever made in EvE. I leaned more in my time with them than I have at any other time in this game. You'll have the established players acting as a shield for you (to whatever degree). I can't tell you what a relief it was when I was ratting in my first Raven and some pirates jumped in, forcing me to cloak up, and then seeing a bunch of hard-core PvPer Sniggs jump in and camp the pirates until they were dead. It's also better to do it in Null... IMHO. I've actually been in a Null Sec alliance before.
Hated it. They had territory but the rules were insane. As was the paranoia. First time I dropped the ball, bam. Blob jumped in and TPK. Including our only carrier.
Not doing that again. Also the constant scrutiny of being a spy was no fun. |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
3065
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Posted - 2014.03.11 22:02:00 -
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Lilianna Star wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Joining a corp that's worth a damn is kinda important. Why?
Because if you join one that isn't worth a damn, you are basically wasting your time? That ought to be self explanatory. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Lilianna Star
Perkone Caldari State
156
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Posted - 2014.03.11 22:08:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Lilianna Star wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Joining a corp that's worth a damn is kinda important. Why? Because if you join one that isn't worth a damn, you are basically wasting your time? That ought to be self explanatory.
I was actually asking at the time why I needed to join a corp at all. When I you are working by yourself, there's no one to backstab you.  |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
3065
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Posted - 2014.03.11 22:10:00 -
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Lilianna Star wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Lilianna Star wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Joining a corp that's worth a damn is kinda important. Why? Because if you join one that isn't worth a damn, you are basically wasting your time? That ought to be self explanatory. I was actually asking at the time why I needed to join a corp at all. When I am working by myself, there's no one to backstab you. 
Then be in an NPC corp, if working with others is distasteful.
The major reason to be in a player corp is a potentially lower tax rate for various things, however. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Lilianna Star
Perkone Caldari State
156
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Posted - 2014.03.11 22:12:00 -
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Yes, I think I will take up the advice to start up a solo corp.
Thus begins Me, Myself and I Incorporated. |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
3065
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Posted - 2014.03.11 22:15:00 -
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Lilianna Star wrote:Yes, I think I will take up the advice to start up a solo corp.
Thus begins Me, Myself and I Incorporated.
Now for the other part.
Don't announce stuff like you have been on the forums. I would not be surprised if you've been watchlisted since this thread started. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
413
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Posted - 2014.03.11 22:18:00 -
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Lilianna Star wrote:Yes, I think I will take up the advice to start up a solo corp.
Thus begins Me, Myself and I Incorporated.
If you name and create the two free alts on your account (even if you never login play or train them ever again) and join them to your corp no one will even know its a solo corp. |

Lilianna Star
Perkone Caldari State
156
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Posted - 2014.03.11 22:18:00 -
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Yeah, I have no idea what that means. As long as people aren't going to start shooting me for no reason, I probably don't care much.
If it means I can't join any more corps, good riddance. |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
3065
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Posted - 2014.03.11 22:24:00 -
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Lilianna Star wrote:Yeah, I have no idea what that means. As long as people aren't going to start shooting me for no reason, I probably don't care much.
If it means I can't join any more corps, good riddance.
Yep, that's what it means.
By posting carebear sentiments here, and obviously on your main, you open yourself up to being watchlisted as an easy target and tracked down with locator agents. Which I highly recommend learning up on.
Granted, being in a solo corp means that you can have no problem with disbanding and reforming corp once such a thing happens (barring suicide ganking anyway), so learning how to do that would be highly advantageous on your part as it basically makes the entire wardec concept utterly pointless. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Pix Severus
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
444
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Posted - 2014.03.11 22:28:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:most notably when you post on the forums and people find your lack of corp disturbing.
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:I mentioned the whole forum thing about the lack of corp and its disturbing nature right?...because that a big one.
Am I disturbing you? |

Lilianna Star
Perkone Caldari State
156
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Posted - 2014.03.11 22:34:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Lilianna Star wrote:Yeah, I have no idea what that means. As long as people aren't going to start shooting me for no reason, I probably don't care much.
If it means I can't join any more corps, good riddance. Yep, that's what it means. By posting carebear sentiments here, and obviously on your main, you open yourself up to being watchlisted as an easy target and tracked down with locator agents. Which I highly recommend learning up on. Granted, being in a solo corp means that you can have no problem with disbanding and reforming corp once such a thing happens (barring suicide ganking anyway), so learning how to do that would be highly advantageous on your part as it basically makes the entire wardec concept utterly pointless.
Alright.
If a suicide squad comes my way, I'll say this: Goooood luuuuck ;D |

Good Posting
Posting with my Mind
117
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Posted - 2014.03.11 22:40:00 -
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Welcome to the wonderful world of solo man corps.
After being in null sec blocks for years, i made my own corp too, 8 months back. I was really bored and tired of eve at that time and i almost quit the game, but decided to keep playing on my own and i'm a happy man.
My only advice is this: don't do only pve or you will end bored, probably. Do some pvp, create and run your own content and for others that you will meet in your way. In null sec sov warfare, i was running content planned by others, but here i'm free and i do what i please: no corp rules, no diplos, no CTAs, no fleet pings, nothing. Just log in and have fun.
I wish you good luck. |

Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
3652
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Posted - 2014.03.11 22:42:00 -
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Lilianna Star wrote:I remember one of the silver rules of EVE is to join a player corp as soon as possible. Bad idea imo. I got stung hard doing this because veterans said it was a good idea. Turns out that there's a pretty nasty disadvantage to that. War decs are fun  . I'm not saying never join a corp, but if you want to join a corp have a reason first. It doesn't have to be a great reason, but it has to be a reason. Don't just join for its own sake. Needless to say I'm such a carebear I never leave station without a covops cloaking device.
You didn't get stung because you joined a player corp.
You got stung because you don't know how to handle being wardecced. Now, this is perhaps indicative that the player corp you joined wasn't a good choice either.
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Lilianna Star
Perkone Caldari State
156
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Posted - 2014.03.11 22:45:00 -
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Good Posting wrote:Welcome to the wonderful world of solo man corps.
After being in null sec blocks for years, i made my own corp too, 8 months back. I was really bored and tired of eve at that time and i almost quit the game, but decided to keep playing on my own and i'm a happy man.
My only advice is this: don't do only pve or you will end bored, probably. Do some pvp, create and run your own content and for others that you will meet in your way. In null sec sov warfare, i was running content planned by others, but here i'm free and i do what i please: no corp rules, no diplos, no CTAs, no fleet pings, nothing. Just log in and have fun.
I wish you good luck.
One thing I used to do back in the day before I was in any corp whatsoever was to go up into sov space, cloak up in random space and sit there. Then go and watch Youtube videos or watch TV or something. Occasionally I would "accidentally" type things in local chat like "Just tell me when you're ready to come in." |

Silvetica Dian
Manson Family Advent of Fate
795
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Posted - 2014.03.11 23:24:00 -
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Lilianna Star wrote:I remember one of the silver rules of EVE is to join a player corp as soon as possible. Bad idea imo. I got stung hard doing this because veterans said it was a good idea. Turns out that there's a pretty nasty disadvantage to that. War decs are fun  . I'm not saying never join a corp, but if you want to join a corp have a reason first. It doesn't have to be a great reason, but it has to be a reason. Don't just join for its own sake. Needless to say I'm such a carebear I never leave station without a covops cloaking device.
The rule isn't join a player corp as soon as possible. It is join a GOOD player corp as soon as possible. This is actually quite hard and requires research. Almost all high sec corps are worthless or actually detrimental Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85 |

Shrewd Tsero
Aventine Legion
35
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Posted - 2014.03.11 23:30:00 -
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Lilianna Star wrote:One thing I used to do back in the day before I was in any corp whatsoever was to go up into sov space, cloak up in random space and sit there. Then go and watch Youtube videos or watch TV or something. Occasionally I would "accidentally" type things in local chat like "Just tell me when you're ready to come in."
Most of the enemies I've made were because of that.
Is it just me, or is this person absolutely lovely? It is good to have substance to one's existence.-á But in the absence of substance, one can do much yet with style. |

Eram Fidard
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
806
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Posted - 2014.03.11 23:35:00 -
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Sounds like you've only joined bad corps. Do some research. Poster is not to be held responsible for damages to keyboards and/or noses caused by hot beverages. |

Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1032
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Posted - 2014.03.12 00:38:00 -
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Eram Fidard wrote:Sounds like you've only joined bad corps. Do some research. I see this a lot, but almost never any advice on what to actually look for, or even what the basic definition of a good corp is most of the time. |

Klymer
Hedion University Amarr Empire
502
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Posted - 2014.03.12 00:52:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Eram Fidard wrote:Sounds like you've only joined bad corps. Do some research. I see this a lot, but almost never any advice on what to actually look for, or even what the basic definition of a good corp is most of the time.
From the resources sticky in New Player Q&A
How to find the corp that is right for you By NightCrawler 85 |

Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
526
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Posted - 2014.03.12 02:17:00 -
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I spent three weeks on my own in an NPC corp to learn the ropes before I got sucked up into my husbands corp and dragged to null sec. That null sec experience was like drinking from a fire hydrant. I learned a ton but, as with most things in null sec, it ended badly. I find now that I look back fondly at the time I spent in the NPC corp.. where I met people who were not yet jaded and who perhaps trusted too easily and honestly. -á-á- remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not-á "afk" cloaking-á-
[IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/consultsig.jpg[/IMG] |

Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1032
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Posted - 2014.03.12 02:20:00 -
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Klymer wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:Eram Fidard wrote:Sounds like you've only joined bad corps. Do some research. I see this a lot, but almost never any advice on what to actually look for, or even what the basic definition of a good corp is most of the time. From the resources sticky in New Player Q&AHow to find the corp that is right for you By NightCrawler 85 ...edited for moar links so even an npc corp alt can do it  A fine example of a useful "do research post" |

Chopper Rollins
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
559
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Posted - 2014.03.12 02:25:00 -
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Shrewd Tsero wrote:... From my (limited) experience, if you're in a high sec corp, you're going to get decced at somepoint. Either because someone legitimately has a specific grudge against your corp and wants to play, or because there are just corps (one man or more) out there who's sole existence is based on deccing....
Or because the corp is terrible and after years still hasn't managed to move more than 12 jumps from Jita, thinks lowsec is certain death, null is impossible and wh only for complete autards. Smug, smart-mouth mission runners can attract awful violence as well. Most of all though, looking like a soft target with no combat experience or willingness, yeah, that really brings the heroes.
Disclaimer: i have solo wardecced corps for a single member being insubordinate in local, hit their weakest, least vigilant members and contracted cans full of newb corpses to the ceos after their surrender. God.Damn.This game is awesome.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good. |

Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
418
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Posted - 2014.03.12 04:12:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Eram Fidard wrote:Sounds like you've only joined bad corps. Do some research. I see this a lot, but almost never any advice on what to actually look for, or even what the basic definition of a good corp is most of the time.
I think before you even start you need ... speak the same language you do, are active, and are in more or less the same time zone :D |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9127
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Posted - 2014.03.12 04:23:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Other less notable NPC corp features would be higher taxes, Or rather taxes that don't have any benefit to you. Many player corps worth a damn have higher taxes than NPC corps but their members get something out of it as a result. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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SB Rico
The Lone Runners
241
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Posted - 2014.03.12 04:54:00 -
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The main reason for not being in an npc corp or solo corp is the expanded content imho
In particular fleet activities and advise...
and yes war decs are part of that.
Unfortunately there are bad corps out there but a set of basic rule of thumb stuff I do look for tends to help me find out whether a corp is worth joining:
1. Check the size of the corp - small corps are fun, but since really you want a corp where there are people to play the game with try to go for a medium/bigger corp at first.
2. Check the age of the ceo - I try to avoid corps where the ceo is a newer player as you want to ensure there is someone who understands the game in charge, now ofc the ceo could be a new toon who is simply a ceo alt which is why the next point is worth doing...
3. Join their public channel and check the players in there on forums and employment history. Chat to those guys and see if they are people you want to spend your free time with.
4. CHECK THEIR KILLBOARD HISTORY - this has saved me a few times before I joined ganker corps - same corp kills should ring alarm bells.
5. Chat with the recruiter, do they seem generally friendly or do they seem like they see you as another body? Do they seem more interested in how much shiny stuff you have?
6. Ask them about war decs and check their war history - do they seem to have large numbers of decs where they lost lots of ships? Do they have decs where they killed lots of ships? Do they have a lot of brief decs where they had 0 kills or losses?
At the end of the day the game is not as rewarding solo, having said that I don't think you should be obliged to interact, if you are paying CCP money you should be able to play your way and continue funding them to create content for the rest of us :) Scammers are currently selling killrights on this toon for up to 5mil, if you have paid for this service demand your money back at once.
Killing me should be for free. |

Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
1062
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Posted - 2014.03.12 07:36:00 -
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Just trick them few times into wardeccing your one player corp and then disband it, like a sneaky carebear should. _¦Å-æ-»¦Ñ¦¼-Ä_-¢-å¦ä_-½-»-å¦ÿ-ò-û¦¦ |

Kaerf Arkanghel
Lusitan Initiative
5
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Posted - 2014.03.12 09:28:00 -
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this boggles my mind...why the heck would play an MMORPG if you want to solo? Just Add Water |

Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley
Arbitrary Spaceship Destruction The Devil's Warrior Alliance
129
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Posted - 2014.03.12 10:28:00 -
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Kaerf Arkanghel wrote:this boggles my mind...why the heck would play an MMORPG if you want to solo?
I agree with you .. but since you asked; 1) because they're anti-social mouth breathers from WoW, 2) they want to play Eve but are intimidated by all of the asshats in the shark tank or 3) alts. http://www.devilswarrior.info/kb |

culo duro
EveryoneVersusEveryone.com
619
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Posted - 2014.03.12 10:29:00 -
[42] - Quote
I'm sorry but you're the definition of why people quit eve. it's an MMO interact with others, enjoy the game.
Find a corp you'd like to be in, sure you'll get decced at one point, but you know there's also pvp in eve. Pvp is fun, especially with others you should try it. Do you want to learn how to pvp? Take a look at www.everyoneversuseveryone.com (Heavily WIP) |

Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
1062
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Posted - 2014.03.12 11:04:00 -
[43] - Quote
I have seen someone interacting with others by playing with his 15 ganker alts and ganking freighters in this game.  _¦Å-æ-»¦Ñ¦¼-Ä_-¢-å¦ä_-½-»-å¦ÿ-ò-û¦¦ |

Lilianna Star
Vagrant Empress
163
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Posted - 2014.03.12 13:42:00 -
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Kaerf Arkanghel wrote:this boggles my mind...why the heck would play an MMORPG if you want to solo?
The unfortunate reality is that there isn't a game like EVE. MMORPG or not.
That and while I don't like interacting with other players, I like the fact that they are there. If that makes any sense. |

Cynar Pappotte
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.03.12 14:03:00 -
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Lilianna Star wrote:Kaerf Arkanghel wrote:this boggles my mind...why the heck would play an MMORPG if you want to solo? The unfortunate reality is that there isn't a game like EVE. MMORPG or not. That and while I don't like interacting with other players, I like the fact that they are there. If that makes any sense.
Makes sense to me!
As a relative newbie I haven't looked to closely at the player corp side of things yet, (so correct me if something like this this already exists), but may the solution is to have the abilty for independent or 1-player corps to be able to form co-op type alliances? |

Bunnie Hop
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
417
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Posted - 2014.03.12 14:07:00 -
[46] - Quote
Lilianna Star wrote:Kaerf Arkanghel wrote:this boggles my mind...why the heck would play an MMORPG if you want to solo? The unfortunate reality is that there isn't a game like EVE. MMORPG or not. That and while I don't like interacting with other players, I like the fact that they are there. If that makes any sense.
Makes sense to me. Single player games are just lonely, MMO's give some comfort knowing that others are about, even if you are just going solo. People who can't understand are either trolling or lack any empathy towards others feelings. |

Lilianna Star
Vagrant Empress
166
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Posted - 2014.03.12 15:17:00 -
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culo duro wrote:I'm sorry but you're the definition of why people quit eve. it's an MMO interact with others, enjoy the game.
Find a corp you'd like to be in, sure you'll get decced at one point, but you know there's also pvp in eve. Pvp is fun, especially with others you should try it.
So, because I don't like to PVP, I am somehow contributing to why people quit EVE?
The reason why I don't PVP is because I don't trust anyone to PVP with. 1v1's never happen either. So it would be suicide for me to PVP. |

culo duro
EveryoneVersusEveryone.com
622
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Posted - 2014.03.12 15:32:00 -
[48] - Quote
Lilianna Star wrote:culo duro wrote:I'm sorry but you're the definition of why people quit eve. it's an MMO interact with others, enjoy the game.
Find a corp you'd like to be in, sure you'll get decced at one point, but you know there's also pvp in eve. Pvp is fun, especially with others you should try it. So, because I don't like to PVP, I am somehow contributing to why people quit EVE?
No, it's because you play eve as a single player experience.
While you seemingly seem to think that you can't win if you're outnumbered means you can't pvp is another subject. I'd really recommend you to watch Garmonation or similiar things on youtube. Plenty of people do solo pvp and destroy fleets. Do you want to learn how to pvp? Take a look at www.everyoneversuseveryone.com (Heavily WIP) |

Silvetica Dian
Manson Family Advent of Fate
801
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Posted - 2014.03.12 15:50:00 -
[49] - Quote
SB Rico wrote:
5. Chat with the recruiter, do they seem generally friendly or do they seem like they see you as another body? Do they seem more interested in how much shiny stuff you have?
No one enters my corp (the corp i am in. it isn't owned by me) unless they are a close friend of a trusted member or they go through me. Most of that process is a longish chat about what the applicant is looking for in a corp/alliance, whether they are ready for losses /null , whether they seem a good match personality wise and what TZ they play in and whether or not they are French. I see absolutely no point in adding numbers for the sake of numbers or of recruiting people who are not going to enjoy what we do. The recruitment interview should be a 2 way street where both sides research the background, aims and interests of the other. I also check killboards, posting history, API , employment history etc etc and link our killboard and anything else requested by the candidate. I expect them to have done some basic research independantly as well because blindly trusting the propaganda of a recruiter is foolish in any context. Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85 |

Arsine Mayhem
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
150
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Posted - 2014.03.12 17:18:00 -
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Lilianna Star wrote:I remember one of the silver rules of EVE is to join a player corp as soon as possible.
Far better to stay in the rookie corp 2 or 3 months minimum. It's a lot more helpful environment than probably anywhere and you're protected until you can find a what you want to do. |

Organic Lager
Devils Diciples League of Infamy
18
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Posted - 2014.03.12 17:27:00 -
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Lilianna Star wrote:Good Posting wrote:You can drop from your corp and the war won't follow you.
Or create your own 1 man corp and you will be ignored by wardeccers because wardec you will cost them 50 mill and you can disband and create a new corp for 1.6 mill more or less. Or move to a lonely low sec region when you get wardecced and keep doing your pve thing.
You have many posibilities to avoid high sec wardecs if you don't want to fight back, use them. Why would I do any of that when I can just stay in Perkone and do my thing? :P
15% npc corp tax?
Creating your own corp is probably best 0 taxes and 0 wardecs |

Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
5040
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Posted - 2014.03.12 17:31:00 -
[52] - Quote
Op thinks joining a corp for no reason is the problem, when the actual problem is being in high sec. |

Lilianna Star
Vagrant Empress
166
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Posted - 2014.03.12 17:32:00 -
[53] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:Op thinks joining a corp for no reason is the problem, when the actual problem is being in high sec.
I thought other players shoot you more in Low Sec/Null Sec/Wormhole
Am I wrong about that? |

Azeroth Uluntil
e X i l e The Initiative.
12
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Posted - 2014.03.12 17:39:00 -
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I'd say it's more an issue of the cluelessness of the op... Just my personal opinion though. |

Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar E.A.R.T.H. Federation
348
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Posted - 2014.03.12 17:39:00 -
[55] - Quote
Lilianna Star wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Op thinks joining a corp for no reason is the problem, when the actual problem is being in high sec. I thought other players shoot you more in Low Sec/Null Sec/Wormhole Am I wrong about that? Depends on where you go. High sec is dangerous for me, while I feel at home in low sec.
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
610
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Posted - 2014.03.12 17:40:00 -
[56] - Quote
NPC corp taxes should be set at 50%, as disincentive to players hiding out there forever. Disincentive mind you, not force. If you want to be safe from wars, you should pay a premium for that; current tax rate differentials are laughable given the protections received.
Players should go into a 1-week stasis, when leaving a corp/alliance under wardec. The current exploit of ducking wars by dropping corp must be immediately closed.
Wardec fees should go into a bucket claimable by the defenders, as incentive to come out and fight
Until these changes happen, I will keep killing-it-forward.
F
Would you like to know more? |

Lilianna Star
Vagrant Empress
167
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Posted - 2014.03.12 17:41:00 -
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Val'Dore wrote:Lilianna Star wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Op thinks joining a corp for no reason is the problem, when the actual problem is being in high sec. I thought other players shoot you more in Low Sec/Null Sec/Wormhole Am I wrong about that? Depends on where you go. High sec is dangerous for me, while I feel at home in low sec.
I guess I could try low sec for a while. No warp bubbles would make things a lot easier. |

Organic Lager
Devils Diciples League of Infamy
18
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Posted - 2014.03.12 17:44:00 -
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Lilianna Star wrote:culo duro wrote:I'm sorry but you're the definition of why people quit eve. it's an MMO interact with others, enjoy the game.
Find a corp you'd like to be in, sure you'll get decced at one point, but you know there's also pvp in eve. Pvp is fun, especially with others you should try it. So, because I don't like to PVP, I am somehow contributing to why people quit EVE? The reason why I don't PVP is because I don't trust anyone to PVP with. 1v1's never happen either. So it would be suicide for me to PVP.
Don't listen to the pvp or bust crowd. This is your sandbox play how you want, build your sand castles how you want.
You can join chat rooms (like eve uni) and fleet with people if you're ever lonely. If and when you're ready to try something new like pvp that is when it would be a good time to join like minded people in a corp. |

Pew Terror
Green Associates
115
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Posted - 2014.03.12 17:49:00 -
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Lilianna Star wrote:I remember one of the silver rules of EVE is to join a player corp as soon as possible. Bad idea imo. I got stung hard doing this because veterans said it was a good idea. Turns out that there's a pretty nasty disadvantage to that. War decs are fun  . I'm not saying never join a corp, but if you want to join a corp have a reason first. It doesn't have to be a great reason, but it has to be a reason. Don't just join for its own sake. Needless to say I'm such a carebear I never leave station without a covops cloaking device.
I'd say newbros learning about wardecs is a really good reason in itself. Personally i learned about wardecs when hauling half my fortune through hisec while in a JC service corp that was decced to bits. One of the worst thing you can do in this game is try to play it safe for too long. Jumping into low/null in your T1 frig should fill you with joy instead of fear asap. |

Lilianna Star
Vagrant Empress
167
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Posted - 2014.03.12 17:56:00 -
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Pew Terror wrote:Lilianna Star wrote:I remember one of the silver rules of EVE is to join a player corp as soon as possible. Bad idea imo. I got stung hard doing this because veterans said it was a good idea. Turns out that there's a pretty nasty disadvantage to that. War decs are fun  . I'm not saying never join a corp, but if you want to join a corp have a reason first. It doesn't have to be a great reason, but it has to be a reason. Don't just join for its own sake. Needless to say I'm such a carebear I never leave station without a covops cloaking device. I'd say newbros learning about wardecs is a really good reason in itself. Personally i learned about wardecs when hauling half my fortune through hisec while in a JC service corp that was decced to bits. One of the worst thing you can do in this game is try to play it safe for too long. Jumping into low/null in your T1 frig should fill you with joy instead of fear asap.
I guess. I only lost a Bantam from the ordeal so I guess it was a good lesson to learn.
Though I don't know why going into low/null should "fill me with joy instead of fear." I naturally don't want to lose and if I run into someone else I am guaranteed to lose unless I duck out in time. So yeah, it is reasonable to fear the unprotected areas. |

Louis Robichaud
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
175
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Posted - 2014.03.12 18:10:00 -
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You need to get over your fear of losing ships. Join RvB! You'll learn to pvp and learn to laugh at ship exploding. :)
I used to be quite worried about wardecs. Now when my alt's corp is deced I'm much more sanguine about it. Being overly risk adverse will definitely reduce your enjoyment of the game. |

Organic Lager
Devils Diciples League of Infamy
18
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Posted - 2014.03.12 18:11:00 -
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Lilianna Star wrote:Pew Terror wrote:Lilianna Star wrote:I remember one of the silver rules of EVE is to join a player corp as soon as possible. Bad idea imo. I got stung hard doing this because veterans said it was a good idea. Turns out that there's a pretty nasty disadvantage to that. War decs are fun  . I'm not saying never join a corp, but if you want to join a corp have a reason first. It doesn't have to be a great reason, but it has to be a reason. Don't just join for its own sake. Needless to say I'm such a carebear I never leave station without a covops cloaking device. I'd say newbros learning about wardecs is a really good reason in itself. Personally i learned about wardecs when hauling half my fortune through hisec while in a JC service corp that was decced to bits. One of the worst thing you can do in this game is try to play it safe for too long. Jumping into low/null in your T1 frig should fill you with joy instead of fear asap. I guess. I only lost a Bantam from the ordeal so I guess it was a good lesson to learn. Though I don't know why going into low/null should "fill me with joy instead of fear." I naturally don't want to lose and if I run into someone else I am guaranteed to lose unless I duck out in time. So yeah, it is reasonable to fear the unprotected areas.
You are going to lose and lose a lot the thing about pvp is the desensitize yourself to losing, you don't have to go pvp though. Some people just don't enjoy pvp and there is nothing wrong with that.
Like I said make yourself tax dodge corp Join an in game chat channel like eve uni (it's far more active then any corp chat anyway) Do missions or shipping or exploration or day trading or industry
Honestly if you only want high sec pve right now a corp has nothing to offer you. Wait until you want to branch out into pvp or null sec exploration or incursions etc. and join a corp that specializes in that activity.
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Lilianna Star
Vagrant Empress
167
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Posted - 2014.03.12 18:20:00 -
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:NPC corp taxes should be set at 50%, as disincentive to players hiding out there forever. Disincentive mind you, not force. If you want to be safe from wars, you should pay a premium for that; current tax rate differentials are laughable given the protections received. Players should go into a 1-week stasis, when leaving a corp/alliance under wardec. The current exploit of ducking wars by dropping corp must be immediately closed. Wardec fees should go into a bucket claimable by the defenders, as incentive to come out and fight Until these changes happen, I will keep killing-it-forward. F
How did you avoid the wrath of Concord? Can you really put out that much DPS to kill the dude in such a short amount of time? |

Lilianna Star
Vagrant Empress
168
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Posted - 2014.03.12 18:30:00 -
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Organic Lager wrote: You are going to lose and lose a lot the thing about pvp is the desensitize yourself to losing
For me it is less that I fear losing my ship (I would prefer NOT to lose my ship but I digress) so much as the fact that I know I am going to lose. They're going to have more ships or the person doing it really knows what they're doing.
If I could find someone to PVP with that I could trust then hell yeah I'd be out there and kicking butt. But that'll never happen since IRL friends don't care for EVE and the EVE community is...the EVE community. |

Portia Venetia
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
28
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Posted - 2014.03.12 18:42:00 -
[65] - Quote
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Lilianna Star wrote:
Why would I do any of that when I can just stay in Perkone and do my thing? :P
Because NPC corps have drawbacks, most notably when you post on the forums and people find your lack of corp disturbing. Other less notable NPC corp features would be higher taxes, **** NPC corp chat, the appearance of being an anti-social ****, lack of meaningful in game friendships and commeraderie, the inability to field more than 1 person as a defensive force ala herding cats, and not having a super cool corp logo and superleet corp title. I mentioned the whole forum thing about the lack of corp and its disturbing nature right?...because that a big one.
Other points aside, I'd like to respond to the emphasized part of the quoted post; while NPC corp chat isn't always full of the most erudite conversationalists, it's at least usually full of people that will talk. I offer the following paraphrased example of my corp chat:
Quote: 08:58:16 [Me]: Hi everyone. 09:43:10 [Corpmate]: 'Sup.
Certain corp events notwithstanding (bringing more people online), when I switch off to the NPC corp character, there's at least some chat. |

Organic Lager
Devils Diciples League of Infamy
18
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Posted - 2014.03.12 18:55:00 -
[66] - Quote
Lilianna Star wrote:Organic Lager wrote: You are going to lose and lose a lot the thing about pvp is the desensitize yourself to losing
For me it is less that I fear losing my ship (I would prefer NOT to lose my ship but I digress) so much as the fact that I know I am going to lose. They're going to have more ships or the person doing it really knows what they're doing. If I could find someone to PVP with that I could trust then hell yeah I'd be out there and kicking butt. But that'll never happen since IRL friends don't care for EVE and the EVE community is...the EVE community.
Ahh ok i miss read you, sounds like you do want to pvp over pve.
You should try to find a fw corp you can start that with relatively low sp and it mixes pvp and pve. You'll always have people to group up with and show you the ropes even if your corp mates aren't around. |

Lilianna Star
Vagrant Empress
168
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Posted - 2014.03.12 20:32:00 -
[67] - Quote
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:NPC corp taxes should be set at 50%, as disincentive to players hiding out there forever. Disincentive mind you, not force. If you want to be safe from wars, you should pay a premium for that; current tax rate differentials are laughable given the protections received. Players should go into a 1-week stasis, when leaving a corp/alliance under wardec. The current exploit of ducking wars by dropping corp must be immediately closed. Wardec fees should go into a bucket claimable by the defenders, as incentive to come out and fight Until these changes happen, I will keep killing-it-forward. F I don't get people like you.
PVPers who are discontented that other people don't PVP like they do.
It's not as though PvPers don't own more than 3/4ths of the game. No no no, some people are PLAYING IT WRONG. I need to teach them to play MY WAY because MY WAY is the best!
I'm not saying your way of playing is wrong, you can play however you want as long as it doesn't break TOS. |

NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
1495
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Posted - 2014.03.12 20:47:00 -
[68] - Quote
People advice people to join a player corporation because generally it makes it easier for them to get help and get friends. However, this does not mean joining the first corp that invites you. This is a very very common problem new players experience.
As others have mentioned, do research. Before you join a corporation you should be aware off what it entails, what is the advantages and disadvantages of doing it.
If you do the research and still want to join a corporation you need to research the corporations you are interested in joining. Someone already linked the guide that was written purely to help new players understand what to look for and what to avoid, so i wont repost it.
Last advice.. You joined one corporation, without doing the proper research, and you now take it for granted that all corporations are the same. This is a bad way to think. There are hundreds, if not thousands of corporations out there. Many might have the same basic idea, but i can tell you that none of them will be the exact same.
Cynar Pappotte wrote: Makes sense to me!
As a relative newbie I haven't looked to closely at the player corp side of things yet, (so correct me if something like this this already exists), but may the solution is to have the abilty for independent or 1-player corps to be able to form co-op type alliances?
This is fully possible and is being done both on a large and small scale. You can either make it official and create your own 1 man alliance which other players can join, or you can make it more unofficial and just set each other blue, have a joint chat channel. That way if one of the corporations gets a war dec is wont affect the rest of you.
Phoibe Enterprises official recruitment thread The Eve Reader - -áAudio Recordings of Eve Chronicles
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Lilianna Star
Vagrant Empress
168
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Posted - 2014.03.12 20:59:00 -
[69] - Quote
NightCrawler 85 wrote:People advice people to join a player corporation because generally it makes it easier for them to get help and get friends. However, this does not mean joining the first corp that invites you. This is a very very common problem new players experience. As others have mentioned, do research. Before you join a corporation you should be aware off what it entails, what is the advantages and disadvantages of doing it. If you do the research and still want to join a corporation you need to research the corporations you are interested in joining. Someone already linked the guide that was written purely to help new players understand what to look for and what to avoid, so i wont repost it. Last advice.. You joined one corporation, without doing the proper research, and you now take it for granted that all corporations are the same. This is a bad way to think. There are hundreds, if not thousands of corporations out there. Many might have the same basic idea, but i can tell you that none of them will be the exact same. Cynar Pappotte wrote: Makes sense to me!
As a relative newbie I haven't looked to closely at the player corp side of things yet, (so correct me if something like this this already exists), but may the solution is to have the abilty for independent or 1-player corps to be able to form co-op type alliances?
This is fully possible and is being done both on a large and small scale. You can either make it official and create your own 1 man alliance which other players can join, or you can make it more unofficial and just set each other blue, have a joint chat channel. That way if one of the corporations gets a war dec is wont affect the rest of you.
This isn't about bad corporations, it is about being stung by a mechanic I didn't know about. Although the corporation I was in WAS bad.
Figuring out the telltale signs that a corporation sucks mostly comes with experience. Lots of corporations suck for different reasons.
Telling a newbie to do research and figure out which corporations are good is a fairly tall order. And usually the good corporations won't even have them. |

NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
1495
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Posted - 2014.03.12 23:14:00 -
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Lilianna Star wrote:
This isn't about bad corporations, it is about being stung by a mechanic I didn't know about. Although the corporation I was in WAS bad.
Figuring out the telltale signs that a corporation sucks mostly comes with experience. Lots of corporations suck for different reasons.
Telling a newbie to do research and figure out which corporations are good is a fairly tall order. And usually the good corporations won't even have them.
This is why you ask for help and pointers if you are insecure about something.
Figuring out if a corp is good or not... Im guessing you missed the guide earlier, but if you read over it you will notice that it covers everything from research based on someones advert, their KB, their recruiters, their member count, they requests and so on. Basically it talks you trough more or less every step you should take researching a corporation, and no, you dont have to be a vet to follow these steps (thus its written for new players).
Now for good corporations not wanting new players... Think this is also mentioned in said guide but oh well...
You have several different kind of corporations, but lets just focus on the two basics that covers the majority of them.
The ones with a SP requirement. These you will come across on a fairly regular basis, and most of them are willing to overlook the SP requirement if the recruit has a good attitude and shows potential. The requirement is often mainly there to make sure that people dont even bother to try and create a new character to join them purely to spy or similar.
The ones without a SP requirement. These you will also come across on a regular basis, and believe it or not, many of these corporations are both older, well run, and know what they are doing  However, the good ones wont accept you just because you applied (if they accept you without question i would run personally, its a bad sign). Again attitude is the key. Talk to them, show that you have potential. A good personality is more important then your SP for most corporations.
Im sorry that your first corp ended up being a bad one, but dont let that prevent you from trying again in the future. Eventually you will find people you enjoy hanging around with, and you might end up considering them purely because it makes it easier to communicate and operate with them on a regular basis.
Phoibe Enterprises official recruitment thread The Eve Reader - -áAudio Recordings of Eve Chronicles
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Kaerf Arkanghel
Lusitan Initiative
5
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Posted - 2014.03.13 03:14:00 -
[71] - Quote
Bunnie Hop wrote:Lilianna Star wrote:Kaerf Arkanghel wrote:this boggles my mind...why the heck would play an MMORPG if you want to solo? The unfortunate reality is that there isn't a game like EVE. MMORPG or not. That and while I don't like interacting with other players, I like the fact that they are there. If that makes any sense. Makes sense to me. Single player games are just lonely, MMO's give some comfort knowing that others are about, even if you are just going solo. People who can't understand are either trolling or lack any empathy towards others feelings.
people who are interacting with others and having fun doing it are emphatic, well that's new.  Just Add Water |
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