It feels incredibly impersonal. Like your delegating the fostering of your potential community to a standardized social services department.

You don't wish to deal with raising the little ones yourself so you have these institutions set up where you drop off new players and hope they transform into something you will want to harness later.

You want new players to stay, yet you don't want to invest the time personally when it comes to teaching and training. You just want to hand that responsibility off to BNI and EVE-U, make them do the hardwork so you can harvest the fields of their labor.

Thats because they are no feeder alliance. They-¦re not there to train people so they leave and join more serious ones.

As a new player, there seems to be a large amount of veterans who steer us noobs towards joining these corporations.

It feels incredibly impersonal. Like your delegating the fostering of your potential community to a standardized social services department.

BNI and EVE-U being orphanages or boarding schools. You don't wish to deal with raising the little ones yourself so you have these institutions set up where you drop off new players and hope they transform into something you will want to harness later.

You want new players to stay, yet you don't want to invest the time personally when it comes to teaching and training. You just want to hand that responsibility off to BNI and EVE-U, make them do the hardwork so you can harvest the fields of their labor.

Why will the veterans of EVE argue that new players should stay, but then put forth no effort towards training up those new people, instead passing off that responsibility onto someone else? Why should new people want to take part in a community of people who as a whole demonstrate that they don't want to interact with them, instead just kicking and shuffling them to others?

They picked a pretty stupid name for their corporation then, because all the name Brave Newbies says to me is newb corporation.

Why will the veterans of EVE argue that new players should stay, but then put forth no effort towards training up those new people, instead passing off that responsibility onto someone else? Why should new people want to take part in a community of people who as a whole demonstrate that they don't want to interact with them, instead just kicking and shuffling them to others?

Your words say, "have fun!", but your actions say "GTFO"

So half say being a noob sucks and due to some rite of passage, you're not to expect to have fun for years. The other half is saying that even a noob can contribute and experience the greatness eve has to offer.

So which is it? How am I, a new player, suppose to value my time spent in EVE if my time is so inconsequential that the majority of people in this game don't want the company of new players?

Your words say, "have fun!", but your actions say "GTFO"

You seem to be looking for a one word answer which sums up the opinion of the entire community, although do you not realise that this is a silly and naive way of thinking? Just like in real life many people who play eve will give you different answers and have differing opinions.

Also you didn't answer the previous question I asked in my last post. What exactly are you looking for?

Alright cool thanks for the information.

The past month I'd been told repeatedly that as a new player, everyone has a use.

But apparently that's not the case. There have been multiple explanations in this thread alone as to why people don't want to waste their time with new people, so I guess it's understandable if new people decide it's not worth wasting their time for people who don't want to reciprocate.

Thanks for taking the time to answer! Much appreciated.

Don't bother. Shortly after I posted my little wall of text I realized who OP was, and regretted posting. Look through his posting history. It's nothing but "I'm supposedly a newbie, but act as a bittervet, I hate this game, and I hate you all". That's Divine Entervention for you.

So half say being a noob sucks and due to some rite of passage, you're not to expect to have fun for years. The other half is saying that even a noob can contribute and experience the greatness eve has to offer.

So which is it? How am I, a new player, suppose to value my time spent in EVE if my time is so inconsequential that the majority of people in this game don't want the company of new players?

*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.