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Mawderator
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2014.03.17 15:52:00 -
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Hatsumi Kobayashi wrote:RavenPaine wrote:Nag is probably best, shield tanked. Why do you say that
Blood Union and other groups have created gank fits that are capable of burst tanking 70k-100k dps. |
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
727
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Posted - 2014.03.17 17:50:00 -
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Hatsumi Kobayashi wrote:RavenPaine wrote:Nag is probably best, shield tanked. Why do you say that
Dreads are generally put on the field as DPS platforms. If you shield tank, you can fill the bottom slots with damage mods/tracking mods. If you armor tank, you have to share those bottom slots with hardeners, reps, etc.
Even if you could match the tanks, you lose DPS if you armor.
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Sintiar Loffwagea
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.17 17:52:00 -
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people say it's the best because it's
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Rab See
Fool Mental Junket
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Posted - 2014.03.17 23:10:00 -
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RavenPaine wrote:Hatsumi Kobayashi wrote:RavenPaine wrote:Nag is probably best, shield tanked. Why do you say that Dreads are generally put on the field as DPS platforms. If you shield tank, you can fill the bottom slots with damage mods/tracking mods. If you armor tank, you have to share those bottom slots with hardeners, reps, etc. Even if you could match the tanks, you lose DPS if you armor.
But you get more slots to tank in lows and can run that tank for twice the amount of time compared to shield tankers. You have more than enough before diminishing returns on damage mods in the lows, and you can fit TCs where shield tankers cant, or gimp theirs to do the same. Its called variation .. and we all know that armour tanking wins hands down when it comes to supporting those dreads. |
Blodhgarm Dethahal
Transcendent Sedition Dustm3n
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Posted - 2014.03.17 23:37:00 -
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If you Armor Tank the Nag I'd asume it would be Arty Snipe fit, freeing mids for SeBos and TCs.
If you want to Armor Tank an Auto Nag I recomend getting a Moros. The massive tank you get from Shield Tank on a Nag is too big to ignore. Granted its more burst tanking than armor, but I'd like to see an Armor Dread tank 4 other Dreads for a siege cycle and live without refiting, and when you drop siege all you need is a carrier to cap you back up and you are good to go for another cycle. And thats all before refits -Bl+¦d |
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.18 00:19:00 -
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Rab See wrote:
But you get more slots to tank in lows and can run that tank for twice the amount of time compared to shield tankers. You have more than enough before diminishing returns on damage mods in the lows, and you can fit TCs where shield tankers cant, or gimp theirs to do the same. Its called variation .. and we all know that armour tanking wins hands down when it comes to supporting those dreads.
I am speaking specifically of the Nag. It has equal slots in the lows and mids. 6 each. Full tank in the mids and full gank in the lows, is the best fit for ship. I mean...what else would you do with 6 mids? Utility Dread with *average tank* and *average DPS*?
Yeah clearly the Moros is made to armor tank. Same for Rev with 8 lows and 4 mids Again; The Nag can be armor tanked, but I don't think it's the *best* fit for it.
As for supporting dreads. I've never seen much support that was centered around the dread. The dread go's into siege and it's on its own until the cycle runs out. If it can't tank until the cycle is over, it cannot receive support. If it DID make it through the cycle, (That means you have already proven you can tank the current DPS) chances are, all it needs is cap. (If it was shield tanked, there should be a LOT LESS armor to repair) At that point, you jump it out, or re-engage siege. Generally, if a dread is on the field, it should be in siege or gtfo.
Ship vs ship, I'd put 3 shield Nags on the field against 3 armor Nags any day of the week. And I would feel confident fielding them in an Armor fleet. |
Lilianna Star
Vagrant Empress
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Posted - 2014.03.18 04:10:00 -
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It is amazing to hear that the 3500mm cannons see use. |
Gypsio III
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
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Posted - 2014.03.18 11:17:00 -
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Rab See wrote:But you get more slots to tank in lows and can run that tank for twice the amount of time compared to shield tankers. You have more than enough before diminishing returns on damage mods in the lows, and you can fit TCs where shield tankers cant, or gimp theirs to do the same. Its called variation .. and we all know that armour tanking wins hands down when it comes to supporting those dreads.
Tanking duration is a meaningless number. For tanking, the ones that matter are total cap reservoir and efficiency of conversion of cap to EHP, together with burst tank to ensure you get a chance to convert that cap to EHP. For WH use, the SMC-rigged shield Naglfar is king. The only problem is figuring out how it fits in with your armour T3s... |
Hagika
Hipsters In Space
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Posted - 2014.03.22 18:10:00 -
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Alberik wrote:RavenPaine wrote:Selectable Damage. Massive Alpha. Capless Weapons.
What's not to like? this is the description of a phoenix .. and it sucks most times
It sucks all of the time, and ccp doesnt seem like they care to fix it, just like caldari medium weapons and torps. |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.03.24 04:45:00 -
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Hagika wrote:Alberik wrote:RavenPaine wrote:Selectable Damage. Massive Alpha. Capless Weapons.
What's not to like? this is the description of a phoenix .. and it sucks most times It sucks all of the time, and ccp doesnt seem like they care to fix it, just like caldari medium weapons and torps. there should be some rapid cruise missile launchers with 10k dps and 3min reload.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
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Lunkwill Khashour
Darwins Lemmings Holding Darwins Lemmings
184
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Posted - 2014.03.24 23:37:00 -
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The Nag is arguably best dread atm: - Similar dps to Moros AFTER you select appropiate ammo - Massive burst tank while gank fitted - Weapons are cap immune |
RcTamiya Leontis
Satan's Unicorns
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Posted - 2014.03.25 12:28:00 -
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Lunkwill Khashour wrote:The Nag is arguably best dread atm: - Similar dps to Moros AFTER you select appropiate ammo - Massive burst tank while gank fitted - Weapons are cap immune
Might add :
- awesome tracking (can increase tracking even more with depleted uranium which deals decent omnidamage) - good cap recharge - very good cap to ehp abilites with rigs - fast align time - highest top speed - dps doesn't decrease on range as much as other dreads - consumes less ammo due to 1 less gun - is vertical |
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