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Lilianna Star
Vagrant Empress
171
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Posted - 2014.03.13 17:12:00 -
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I noticed that they changed it so it effectively has 3 turret slots (I'm assuming they just didn't want to change the in game model.) So, is it? Or is it still completely outclassed? |
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
719
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Posted - 2014.03.13 17:27:00 -
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Its pretty good now. Not today spaghetti. |
Lilianna Star
Vagrant Empress
171
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Posted - 2014.03.13 17:29:00 -
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Sexy Cakes wrote:Its pretty good now.
Yaaaay
I have disillusioned myself of any hope of flying one within my lifetime, but still. Yaaaay. It's the ship that got me into EVE Online. |
Liam Inkuras
Aunenen Civil Liberties Union
873
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Posted - 2014.03.13 20:18:00 -
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Lilianna Star wrote:Sexy Cakes wrote:Its pretty good now. Yaaaay I have disillusioned myself of any hope of flying one within my lifetime, but still. Yaaaay. It's the ship that got me into EVE Online. The tall piece of driftwood got you into this game, when there are ships like the Abaddon? Whatever floats your boat I wear my goggles at night.
Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone |
Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1014
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Posted - 2014.03.13 20:26:00 -
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Liam Inkuras wrote:Lilianna Star wrote:Sexy Cakes wrote:Its pretty good now. Yaaaay I have disillusioned myself of any hope of flying one within my lifetime, but still. Yaaaay. It's the ship that got me into EVE Online. The tall piece of driftwood got you into this game, when there are ships like the Abaddon? Whatever floats your boat
Whatever fills space in EvE float my boat... |
Lilianna Star
Vagrant Empress
171
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Posted - 2014.03.13 21:10:00 -
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Liam Inkuras wrote:Lilianna Star wrote:Sexy Cakes wrote:Its pretty good now. Yaaaay I have disillusioned myself of any hope of flying one within my lifetime, but still. Yaaaay. It's the ship that got me into EVE Online. The tall piece of driftwood got you into this game, when there are ships like the Abaddon? Whatever floats your boat
I loved the vertical design...
http://i.imgur.com/FBvALDI.jpg |
Dorian Wylde
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
438
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Posted - 2014.03.13 21:43:00 -
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Liam Inkuras wrote:Lilianna Star wrote:Sexy Cakes wrote:Its pretty good now. Yaaaay I have disillusioned myself of any hope of flying one within my lifetime, but still. Yaaaay. It's the ship that got me into EVE Online. The tall piece of driftwood got you into this game, when there are ships like the Abaddon? Whatever floats your boat
It's almost like everyone has their own opinion about what ships look good. |
Lady Naween
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
505
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Posted - 2014.03.14 02:42:00 -
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behind the moros but it is the second best dread atm. and the best if you need alpha |
Lilianna Star
Vagrant Empress
172
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Posted - 2014.03.14 02:56:00 -
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Lady Naween wrote:behind the moros but it is the second best dread atm. and the best if you need alpha I thought the Revelation was one of the best dreads? What happened to that? |
Shurgin Ambraelle
The Flying Dead Havoc.
0
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Posted - 2014.03.14 05:05:00 -
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Lilianna Star wrote:Lady Naween wrote:behind the moros but it is the second best dread atm. and the best if you need alpha I thought the Revelation was one of the best dreads? What happened to that?
Never saw a REV stand up against a moros Tank wise. Plus the senturies on a moros gave it a "fourth" gun. Have been out of the game a while so things may have changed. |
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Morgan Torry
Arma Purgatorium Neutral in Local.
238
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Posted - 2014.03.14 05:30:00 -
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Shurgin Ambraelle wrote:Lilianna Star wrote:Lady Naween wrote:behind the moros but it is the second best dread atm. and the best if you need alpha I thought the Revelation was one of the best dreads? What happened to that? Never saw a REV stand up against a moros Tank wise. Plus the senturies on a moros gave it a "fourth" gun. Have been out of the game a while so things may have changed.
For starters dreads no longer have drone bays...haven't for well over two years. Secondly the Moros' strength is beginning siege on top of its targets. The Rev, much like the Nag, can project damage farther and more effectively if the fight moves away from it. That said, like in subcap warfare, blasters win if they're in front of your nose. Otherwise it's a debate between whether you need projection and how you plan to get it.
Plus, AMARR VICTOR Arma Purgatorium - Once for the State, Now for the King Lowsec life is the only life for me o9
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Lilianna Star
Vagrant Empress
172
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Posted - 2014.03.14 12:31:00 -
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I've always heard that the Revelation was one of the best because you didn't need to restock their ammo. |
Joshua Foiritain
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
576
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Posted - 2014.03.14 13:27:00 -
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Lilianna Star wrote:Lady Naween wrote:behind the moros but it is the second best dread atm. and the best if you need alpha I thought the Revelation was one of the best dreads? What happened to that? It used to be. Then CCP rebalanced the nag and it became the best dread by far.
Coreli Corporation: Small gang PVP & Drug Production, Apply now! |
Blodhgarm Dethahal
Transcendent Sedition Dustm3n
84
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Posted - 2014.03.14 13:31:00 -
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The Revelation is the best anti Shield Dread arguably and has the strongest armor tank out there is addition to the best capacitor time thanks to its naturally strong capacitor. 8 Lows \o/
However, Dreads tend to take on a blap role now a days for which Moros and Nag, Moros especially, are better. Or if you go anticapital Dreads Shield Moros or Nag are better thanks to their extream Shield Burst Tank. -Bl+¦d |
Gypsio III
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
1141
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Posted - 2014.03.14 14:24:00 -
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Revelation is trash, Naglfar all the way. |
Rab See
Fool Mental Junket
43
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Posted - 2014.03.14 14:47:00 -
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Lady Naween wrote:behind the moros but it is the second best dread atm. and the best if you need alpha
Only if you arent shooting a large POS ... for a looong time. Rev wins in my book.
But its good now, 2nd or 3rd best depending on context. DPS isnt the issue, its projection of that DPS that counts. |
March rabbit
Federal Defense Union
1337
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Posted - 2014.03.14 15:37:00 -
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Lilianna Star wrote:I've always heard that the Revelation was one of the best because you didn't need to restock their ammo. actually ammo for Dreads is not a problem at all....
Once i bought 5000 super expensive 'shadow something antimatter XL'. And i still have like 4000 somewhere in stations. This is after many CTAs in one Moros, losing it in fight, buying and fitting second and losing it again.
Actually Moros has 3 guns with ROF of 6 seconds (can be wrong here, far too long in high-sec). So in 1 minute you spend 30 items of ammo. Nothing actually. The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
724
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Posted - 2014.03.14 19:34:00 -
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Selectable Damage. Massive Alpha. Capless Weapons.
What's not to like? |
Last Wolf
Umbra Wing
8
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Posted - 2014.03.14 20:15:00 -
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The main reason that the Nag is the best dread is because it is freaking vertical! Vacuums suck. |
Lojak 2501
Three Sails
16
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Posted - 2014.03.14 20:25:00 -
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GÖÑ the tower of power! |
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Alberik
Eusebius Corporation
37
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Posted - 2014.03.14 20:26:00 -
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RavenPaine wrote:Selectable Damage. Massive Alpha. Capless Weapons.
What's not to like?
this is the description of a phoenix .. and it sucks most times |
Rab See
Fool Mental Junket
43
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Posted - 2014.03.14 21:03:00 -
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March rabbit wrote:Lilianna Star wrote:I've always heard that the Revelation was one of the best because you didn't need to restock their ammo. actually ammo for Dreads is not a problem at all.... Once i bought 5000 super expensive 'shadow something antimatter XL'. And i still have like 4000 somewhere in stations. This is after many CTAs in one Moros, losing it in fight, buying and fitting second and losing it again. Actually Moros has 3 guns with ROF of 6 seconds (can be wrong here, far too long in high-sec). So in 1 minute you spend 30 items of ammo. Nothing actually.
But that is the problem, reload times mean lower DPS, unmatched to cyles its not optimal. Rev lets you fire and forget, whole cycle DPS. |
Goldensaver
Lom Corporation Brothers of Tangra
383
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Posted - 2014.03.15 06:24:00 -
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Rab See wrote:March rabbit wrote:Lilianna Star wrote:I've always heard that the Revelation was one of the best because you didn't need to restock their ammo. actually ammo for Dreads is not a problem at all.... Once i bought 5000 super expensive 'shadow something antimatter XL'. And i still have like 4000 somewhere in stations. This is after many CTAs in one Moros, losing it in fight, buying and fitting second and losing it again. Actually Moros has 3 guns with ROF of 6 seconds (can be wrong here, far too long in high-sec). So in 1 minute you spend 30 items of ammo. Nothing actually. But that is the problem, reload times mean lower DPS, unmatched to cyles its not optimal. Rev lets you fire and forget, whole cycle DPS. Not really seeing too much of an issue. Perfect skills a cycle of XL blasters is 5.74s. Reload of the same is 5s. You're barely losing a cycle. And at the 5.74s cycle you fire 52 rounds per gun per siege cycle max. Capacity allows for 80 rounds to be loaded. You only ever risk losing damage to reloads if you siege green, and even then it's less than a single cycle (or up to 8s if you allow for some latency and small server tick issues).
And to be fair, the difference in DPS between the Moros and Revelation more than makes up for the "reload" issue. A 3 T2 heatsink, meta gun, faction multifrequency Revelation gets 9761 with perfect skills, where as a 3 T2 MFS, meta gun, faction ammo Moros gets 13421 for a difference of 3660 DPS. Assuming the players are paying enough attention and you only lose 8s to reload, to make up for that 8s of firing the Revelation gets you have to shoot for a whopping 21.34 seconds. You can do 459.2s of continuous fire. So literally everything after 22 seconds is extra DPS over the Revelation. Hell, even if you're snoozing and let it go for a full minute, you still make up for the lost damage after 160 seconds.
I'm sorry, but the Revelation really isn't a great ship. It also has poor tracking making it kinda weak for a tracking dread. It was only considered good with the Moros before the rebalance because it was one of only two primarily turret dreads which meant it was one of two that could be used to blap. Now that the Naglfar can blap, the Revelation is pretty meh.
Alberik wrote:RavenPaine wrote:Selectable Damage. Massive Alpha. Capless Weapons.
What's not to like? this is the description of a phoenix .. and it sucks most times No, it missed something out of the description for a Phoenix.
To describe the Phoenix you'd have to include the following:
**** poor damage application. Like, literally the worst. Captial missiles. (this is the only really necessary line, the previous one is redundant with it.) |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
14100
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Posted - 2014.03.15 18:10:00 -
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Lilianna Star wrote:I've always heard that the Revelation was one of the best because you didn't need to restock their ammo.
Instant ammo change is also nice
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Lilianna Star
Vagrant Empress
172
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Posted - 2014.03.15 22:13:00 -
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RavenPaine wrote:Selectable Damage. Massive Alpha. Capless Weapons.
What's not to like? Well, I'm coming from the time when the Naglfar didn't have the 50% damage bonus and instead had two missile hardpoints to "make up for it." |
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
726
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Posted - 2014.03.15 23:01:00 -
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Lilianna Star wrote:RavenPaine wrote:Selectable Damage. Massive Alpha. Capless Weapons.
What's not to like? Well, I'm coming from the time when the Naglfar didn't have the 50% damage bonus and instead had two missile hardpoints to "make up for it."
The split weapons system back then, was consistent with other Minmatar ships. At that time, Nag had 4 DPS hardpoints, and it was a selling point for the ship. Sadly, many pilots trained for Citadel Torps, and will never ever use them now.
CCP dropped the launchers, and upped the gun bonus, decreasing training time and kept the best weapon for the ship. It was clearly an improvement over the original design.
I think it is the most versatile dread now, for the 3 reasons I listed before. Selectable damage means you always have the best *applicable DPS* People will make *Blap Dread* arguments, but act like Apha isn't included in that argument. Capless weapons, needs no explanation.
Nag is probably best, shield tanked. That might be its only down side. (most cap fleets armor) But it's not like you can get reps when you're sieged anyways. It can be armor tanked though.
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Last Wolf
Umbra Wing
8
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Posted - 2014.03.15 23:54:00 -
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Could someone please enlighten me on what a "blap" dread is? Vacuums suck. |
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
726
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Posted - 2014.03.16 00:10:00 -
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Blap dreads are tracking enhanced. Capital weapons have a hard time hitting sub-capitals, but a good blap dread can one shot a smaller faster target. (support ships for a cap engagement)
1 good, solid, wrecking shot = BLAP
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Icylce
The Chosen 0nes DARKNESS.
17
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Posted - 2014.03.17 14:31:00 -
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RavenPaine wrote:Selectable Damage. Massive Alpha. Capless Weapons.
What's not to like?
+ it has only 2 weapons hence is a bit cheaper to fit |
Hatsumi Kobayashi
Origin. Black Legion.
460
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Posted - 2014.03.17 15:28:00 -
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RavenPaine wrote:Nag is probably best, shield tanked.
Why do you say that No sig. |
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