I've found a solid corp to roll with. We have fun, they encourage me to play the game the way I want...

*cough* so long as it's not mining *cough*

ok I keep reading these forums and the top people keep quoting that sp doesn't matter trial accounts can own people on day 1 yada yada yada I am wondering just who there owning haulers mining barges I know there not owning skilled pvp pilots.

if this is truly the case then why do all pvp corps have requirement from 1 to 20 mil sp. if sp doesn't matter then there should be no requirements

I am thinking the truth is sp does matter up until a certain point and these min requirements represents that starting point if spent in right area's

They are morons, requiring SP is basically a billboard for "I am a terrible corporation please don't join me." The exceptions are corporations with a separate devoted training corporations.

I think there is one big reason to have SP.

The whiney people with a sense of entitlement that think they are being hard done by as a new player will generally quit before they get much in the way of SP.

By setting a SP requirement you are saving yourself the grief of having to deal with a precocious twit who thinks they are special and believes they deserve to be treated with more respect than they have actually earned who is likely to get your whole corp war decced multiple times by behaving like a ****.

Of course it does not solve the issue of incompetent players who buy high SP characters on the bazaar but no system is perfect.

ok I keep reading these forums and the top people keep quoting that sp doesn't matter trial accounts can own people on day 1 yada yada yada I am wondering just who there owning haulers mining barges I know there not owning skilled pvp pilots.

if this is truly the case then why do all pvp corps have requirement from 1 to 20 mil sp. if sp doesn't matter then there should be no requirements

I am thinking the truth is sp does matter up until a certain point and these min requirements represents that starting point if spent in right area's

Did you get into a good raiding guild on your first day of World of Warcraft?

Minimum SP avoids spies, not entirely but it reduces the problem a bit.

My favourite was one where two players got day-old characters in Rifters and went to make a video about it. I just can't remember where it is.

^ This. Not many AWOXers will bother to sink the time it takes to train a character to several million SP, being that they'll just have to biomass that toon later once they get blacklisted over in Crime & Punishment.

A few will, but those are very determined, dare I say professional spies, as opposed to the just the garden variety internet worm. The kind you can almost respect, so long as they're not doing it to you.

You described the most extreme edge case imaginable, very few people would do this.

if this is truly the case then why do all pvp corps have requirement from 1 to 20 mil sp. if sp doesn't matter then there should be no requirements

Ofcourse people are actually bullshitting you.

Most corps that have a minimum SP requirements do so because you need a minimum SP to be useful to them in group PvP and the PvP jobs that a newbie could do are usually better done by an alt.

There was a PvP report that was published by CCP a while back that showed the correlation between SP and PvP success and it's very strong. From what i remember, on average in EvE, a player has around 50% win chance around 30 mil sp or so.
Ofcourse there's always gonna be some anecdotal evidence about this one guy on an alt who sprung a trap against a high sp player and won, but that is not indicative of your usefulness as a real newbie to a corp that has wars to win or things like that.

The good news is that there is indeed diminishing returns to sp, especially if you specialize into a role, so within months you can be on equal footing in one area with the best of them. But to say sp doesn't matter is just bull.

Lets say a new player enjoys PvP and is joining EvE so he can have fun winning in PvP.

Sorry new person, but you won't get to have fun for a very long time.

People say noobs can have fun, as long as they change their meaning of fun to "enjoy never winning and being ignored and neglected by the majority of the playerbase".

Got it. come on new people! isn't this a community you want to be part of?!?! SHUT UP NO ONE CARES LULZ

Here! I'll say it! (Or, repeat it...) Rolling a new toon, buying a Rifter and ganking "new players" isn't exactly the same as being a "new player" with a day's worth of experience and ganking experienced players in well-fitted, high-rated ships. Being an experienced player in a rifter ganking true noobs doesn't qualify anyone for greatness beyond being able to bite your fingernails and not make them bleed. What a skill! Where's the line for that one?

People who don't know have to say. People who know aren't usually found hanging around noob systems ganking them to make themselves feel special. Does the forum have a resident shrink?

I demand an ISD be assigned to major in psychology and diagnose the people who make these DUMB POSTS.

Hi there! I have a practicing degree in psychology!

First thing, hanging out in newbie systems ganking newbs is against EVE ToS, so if you see it, report it. Problem solved.

Secondly, you cannot diagnose mental disorders from inside a game like EVE. Eve, being a game, applies abnormal pressures and constraints to behaviour that do not exist in the real world.

An extreme, and almost silly metaphor to that would be like someone saying "OK, war refugee survivor is clearly a psychopath. They are displaying typical psychopathic behaviour inside this nasty, dirty, dangerous refugee camp."

The SP Limit is to keep away the people taking a chance... Which is obviously did.

If the limit is 5mil SP you can still get into the corp with 1 mil SP is you showed the right attitude and have some sort of killboard behind you.

However there are some Idiot PVP corps that Purely require you to have 5mil SP trained in pure combat. Without any regard for actually ability.

ok I keep reading these forums and the top people keep quoting that sp doesn't matter trial accounts can own people on day 1 yada yada yada I am wondering just who there owning haulers mining barges I know there not owning skilled pvp pilots.

if this is truly the case then why do all pvp corps have requirement from 1 to 20 mil sp. if sp doesn't matter then there should be no requirements

I am thinking the truth is sp does matter up until a certain point and these min requirements represents that starting point if spent in right area's