I don't recall reading any metrics on amount of people who have left and for X reason.

And yet it happens! The report function exists but it persists. Hell the report function gets abused to the point I'm sure the GM's don't even care anymore. Same crap happened in WoW

Also so far Divine Entervention has been anything but, so for now at least I think I am safe.

I completely understand that people who think differently than I do consider it necessary to insult me to avoid confronting the possibility of their opinions being grounded in a false reality.

Sorry, are we supposed to take the words THE MOST PROMINENT EVE PLAYER IN EVE HISTORY let spew forth from his mouth and just cast them aside BECAUSE HE WAS DRUNK?

I never said I am waiting for it to die nor did I say I hope another game takes it's place, I said I am looking forward to the day the bittervets and retards who act and think like them realize they don't have anymore carebears to harass because they all got sick of their **** and moved to brighter horizons.

Now, for me at least, EVE isnt as appealing, i can only play sporadically due to family/work/real life so used to enjoy hopping on to go exploring for a couple of hours, running a few missions, or anything else i fancied doing at the time, now, i cant do that in peace knowing some douche can just suicide gank me for funsies and hopefully tears. That's just not enjoyable.

Fortunately i've never been caught no, but thats probably more down to my paranoid nature when logging into this game, new players dont have that paranoia about them, and only get it once they've been blown up a few times, maybe the first time losing a ship to PVP they didnt ask for is enough for them to delete the client, i dunno, but thats what im getting at.

Douche players will force PVP on to new players if they want it or not, and that quite frankly is not appealing what so ever when taking your first few steps in a new game.

Now, IF it did happen and i got ganked or some such, then im experienced enough to deal with it, learn from it and avoid it next time, but that just me, someone who's played just over 4 years, not a new player a day/month into EVE.

The fact remains that no matter what percentage of Eve players are sadists, CCP is quite happy allowing them full reign, and must love what they do, since they do nothing to slow their attacks on the majority down.

That is the kind of behaviour that CCP has to kill off, and that kind of mindset.

You are correct in that CCP should have just banhammered the ****

Highsec ice-mining is about 4.8mil/15mins with an unambitious and simple setup.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4329504#post4329504

Thats my best estimate atleast. Others may have even higher ones, but I doubt lower.

As for moons, the point is that it's passive income, good or not. Per-player basis is really irrelevant since it isn't doled out like that, and generally entities that own moons own them in proportion to their size.

The problem is that the gankers are stifling intelligent discussion of real game issues like high-low-null risk-reward balance and the fact that mining is BORING under a sea of shiptoasting. Ideas to actually balance the game are buried amid a sea of whining and self-justification.

citation needed.

The only 'defense' CCP's shipfitting mechanics allow for those engaging in PVE... ESPECIALLY miners is a few seconds to GTFO if they detect a bad guy in a belt.

Same for missioners... because for the most part you cannot fit even a combat ship for missions and still have a prayer in a PVP situation... and also because you can almost never overcome a One vs Many situation....

Really there is no excuse not to give Merchant ships some tank and teeth, with the mobile structures we already have had an extreme design shift to self sufficiency.

Obviously this would involve a lot of balancing issues, but still it would be a new dimension to the eternal struggle between the ganker and the ganked.

I want to discuss ways to adjust the balance between war deccers and their targets in high sec. I don't believe that it is sufficient to call for a cultural revolution if the conditions for such a revolution are not present. In EVE these conditions are given by CCP.

I don't want CCP to protect high sec dwellers, I want tools so that high sec dwellers can protect themselves sufficiently to adjust the forementioned balance.

Nah you're being trolled. Both Kalrus and Trippia are resident forum trolls.

They don't exist. We have a system in which a 2 million isk easy to train ship can put out 700 dps easily.

This is blasphemy. There is no such thing as a bad episode of BSG and insinuating that there ever was one should be punishable by death.

You go to hell.

You go to hell and you die.

That chick who was bangin Apollo. Any show with an image of her cannot be bad.

Your quick retort led me to believe your interest in the show is ingenuine and you've performed a search to give you a platform to launch an assault.

I'll say because I'm a lawful individual

That's exactly what I realize. Shooting back has very little consequence for the war deccers, that is one of the big problems. It is the war deccers that are being protected by Concord as it is right now.

Do you have anything to prove this claim?

@ Tippia - I dunno if I'd go so far to call him that. He's simply proven to either be a mediocre troll or exceptional idiot. Not quite sure which.

I agreed with his message about you being a troll. To clarify, I do not want you dead. What he said was wrong and is more reprehensible than you are for "trolling".

And my idea of 'Defense' is not running away from my house.... its pulling out my Colt 1911 from its hiding spot and blasting the ************ invading my home..... ME not the cops, not my friends, me with my own two hands. So **** this tank the initial volley, run away and get some friends bullshit

lmao this thread has gone in red neck troll mode..

And IRL, we can all carry guns... at least in the United States.

Law abiding citizens can and do carry, and carry concealed, completely looking like harmless individuals, except for the Glock in their pants.

A .40 Caliber bullet in the T-Box followed by two in the chest will stop any threat 'IRL'

unbonused drones do not carry enough 'dps' (See Stopping power) to deal with gankers, and deal with means kill.

but after few times being killed in high space and lost really millions i kind of have enough of EvE.

it do not matter anymore.

Conceptually the mining barge makes no sense in the EVE Universe.... In a world gone mad with greed and villainy, where damn near anyone has access to cutting edge military hardware..... Mining Barges wouldn't exist.

The kind of sandbox ganking proponents claim eve to be has no room for the kind of weak fitting capabilities seen on most mining/merchant ships.

The Catalyst does not need 700 dps to kill a frigate (its intended role), ship scanners should not be free 100 accurate perves into every ship fitting.

Oh and freighters (which are currently just shuttles) need fitting options.

Change those two things you will see a lot of ganking decrease overnight.

Not interested in conversing with trolls sorry...

@ Iam The Empress: The irony being that you don't realise what a hateful, intolerant, judgmental and bad person you prove yourself to be with the attitudes you express in your post.

It was more dangerous back then.

Yes, I'm aware that tutorials barely existed some time ago. But do the tutorials prepare for the world even now? That deserves another topic altogether.

There were comments about newbies being griefed or ganked right out of rookie station, did you experience that as well? Greeted by flashy reds or yellows 1 jump from the starter system? Spammed by duel requests before knowing what duel even is? Just a few examples out the top of my head.

What should also be considered is the fact that players are the product of their time. Players who started 5-10 years ago aren't necessarily of the same generation of people or players. They may have grown in a different kind of world, and that has the potential to carry here to the game. HTFU has very different meaning to a 12-year-old (PEGI 12 game) than to a 30-year-old.

What amazes me is:

1. He wasn't permabaned.
2. He isn't in jail for terrorist threats.
3. People still follow him, how pathetic are they?

Alright you seem to be incapable of reading so ill say it completely bluntly.

You talk big. I want you to back up your talk. Get all your ganker friends into a fleet, as many as you can. Then, fight me. I'm not saying come welp into me. It won't be as nearly as satisfying as shaming you and your tank fleet with my fleet of missionary and miners who decided we had enough of griefers and campers.

I am literally saying come at us bro. But since you aren't capable of rallying them, or unwilling, it seems you are intact proven a coward, as the rest of the griefers here. Can't shoot this that'd shoot back now can we?

Get rekt.

<3

You're agreeing with me?...not sure how Im supposed to feel...ok hold on ill fix this.

CCP BAN GANKER THEY OP TOO STRONK PLS NERF OR BAN K THX

WHAT BET I DIDN'T MAKE A BET AND THROW THE MATCH YOU GOT NOTHIN ON ME TIPPIA.

But yeah he won't show up. They never do :(

Bears are the most angry players in EVE and thats the truth, the hatred they can display is unreal at times.

Tossing insults at each other is a art form out in 0.0 and everyone just takes it as banter. There is no meaning behind it but bears just dont understand it.

I said you should seek help. I didn't tell you to kill yourself. I think the two things are different.

I think it's time to make my monthly suggestion to ccp that they make the nature of EVE explicitly and unavoidably clear to new players. It should literally be impossible to undock for the first time without clicking through a modal window that stays up for 60 seconds and says very clearly "OTHER PLAYERS CAN AND WILL INTERACT WITH YOU IN ANY AREA OF THE GAME, AND IT IS ALLOWABLE FOR THEM TO DO THINGS YOU MAY NOT LIKE."

Was it entirely my fault ? Precisely not one bit, as I was looking for my own way to play and have fun in the game using one of its advertised functions, but got prevented from it by an external force that could not care less about you, or why you joined and paid for this game in the first place.

He's stating he's a good person even though he subscribes to a moral philosophy centered around doing whatever you want to other people because you're only suppose to care about yourself.

While I'm stating I'm a good person because my moral philosophy is centered around treating others fairly, taking their feelings and desires into consideration and trying to make them happy so I can be happy that I've had a positive impact on others.

The EVE community was never like this in the beginning. CAOD was a place of discussion on par with the serious discussion subsection of kugu, a place where Jade Constantine style posting was common.