So one thing that drives me nuts is vets who are quick to give advice to new guys like me but have no idea what they're talking about. It happens a lot. But the main thing that drives me up the wall is the tons of people who say "implants make a bigger difference when you start training skills to LVL V." Ugh it drives me so nuts, if you're training skills with the same attributes, the implants/remaps give the exact same bonus to lvl 1 skills as they do lvl 5. There is no difference!


Please someone correct me here and tell me I'm wrong. I've been playing for around 6 weeks and have heard this said 100 times and I can't stand it.

Actually, they're right.

When you start training skills with high multipliers, you'll see more difference when having implants - a set of +4's will shave a week or so off your skill rather than few hours.

if you're training skills with the same attributes, the implants/remaps give the exact same bonus to lvl 1 skills as they do lvl 5. There is no difference!

So one thing that drives me nuts is vets who are quick to give advice to new guys like me but have no idea what they're talking about. It happens a lot. But the main thing that drives me up the wall is the tons of people who say "implants make a bigger difference when you start training skills to LVL V." Ugh it drives me so nuts, if you're training skills with the same attributes, the implants/remaps give the exact same bonus to lvl 1 skills as they do lvl 5. There is no difference!


Please someone correct me here and tell me I'm wrong. I've been playing for around 6 weeks and have heard this said 100 times and I can't stand it.

But the vet is not wrong, nor are you. what they are saying is that 10% or whatever you shave off a skill you really won;t see much of a difference at lvl 1- 3 you will save maybe a few min on lvl 1, maybe 10 on lvl 2, maybe an hour on lvl 3, and maybe 1-2 hours on lvl 4. But when you hit lvl 5, and you have say a skill that is going to take 50 days, yes there are several like that Dread to 5 comes to mind it will save you 5-10 days. So you see a much bigger bang for your buck in the advanced skills dept then you get in the not so advanced skills. At least thats my take.

My point is also for you. Do you think people just train these level 1 skills save the few minutes then not train any more skills? Those minutes saved over 50 days of level 1 skills will add up to be the exact same amount saved for that Dread LVL V train.

No of course not. People train skills and move on to new ones obviously.

I think in your first year, if you train skills for +5 implants, you'll save only 14 days by the end of the year, but have had a huge amount of time sucked up early in training for implants.

My point is simply implants have the exact same benefit on short training skills as they do on skills that a long time to train.

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Percentage wise yes. Absolute time wise, no.

Percentage wise yes. Absolute time wise, no.

Percentage wise yes. Absolute time wise, no.

How can they possibly be different?

Absolute-time wise too. If you spend a month training short skills to lvl IV, the number days you save will be the same as if you spent a month training long skills to V.

Not if you read the OP.

The question was about the claim that implants are useful when you want to train a skill to level 5 and not for lower levels.

To train a x1 multiplier to level 1 takes only a few minutes.

To train that same skill from level 4 to 5 takes a couple of days.

The absolute time saving is different to train it from 0 - 1 is different than from 4 - 5.

You will have to train more level 1 skills for it to take the same total training as the one train from 4-5. But once you train those lvl 1 skills and compare it to the level 5 train, you will save the exact same % and the exact same amount of absolute time.

No I agree with that, but that is besides the point. I am not advocating that you need +5 implants.

My point is simply implants have the exact same benefit on short training skills as they do on skills that a long time to train.

Multiple people have already posted that can't grasp the concept. Comments like "saving those few minutes isn't a big deal" is exactly the fallacy I wanted to point out. Those few minutes, over a long period will add up to the same amount of savings as you knock off of a long train.

Of course, but instead of having 1 skill at 5, you'll have more at level 3 or 4 and gain more flexibility as a new player.

However, if you factor in the time required to train for the implants you want, that is a cost to the training time you could have had.

Either way is fine. It's a personal choice. Do whatever you want and ignore the people you were referring to in the OP if that's what you feel is the best course of action for your character.

But it's not a fallacy. It's just a different perspective and a different consideration of the same issue.

The question was about the claim that implants are useful when you want to train a skill to level 5 and not for lower levels.

To train a x1 multiplier to level 1 takes only a few minutes.
To train that same skill from level 4 to 5 takes a couple of days.
The absolute time saving is different to train it from 0 - 1 is different than from 4 - 5.

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2700 SP/h going towards low-rank, low-level skills gives you the same training benefit as 2700 SP/h going towards high-range, high-level skills.

Yes all true, but aside from new players keen to get shiney ships, does anyone really care what SP you have and how quickly it builds up ?

That sad face is for you. There is no room for perspective, and there is no room for opinion on the matter. It is simply math. There is right, and there is wrong. It's just a concept I guess that's out of reach.

That won't change the fact that for a new player there is a difference because more skills = more flexibility and if you train implants and skills to level 5 that will equal fewer skills relevant to what you want to do.

That is the OP's point. It is not a matter of perspective or opinion GÇö it's simple maths. The claim that the implants somehow help more if you're going for higher levels is fallacious.

GǪand when he trains those skills, the implants will help him just as much as if he were training for higher levels.

That is the OP's point. It is not a matter of perspective or opinion GÇö it's simple maths. The claim that the implants somehow help more if you're going for higher levels is fallacious.

New players don't need to be training many skills to level 5; and I think that's where this whole thing starts.

It's a difference of perspective on what is important for a new player. Skills at level 5 or more skills.

But that's a completely separate topic that has nothing to do with what the OP is pointing to.

He's pointing to the fact that he keeps hearing the claim that implants don't help as much when training lower skill levels as when going for the higher ones.