If you nerf highsec people will quit.

please, 0.0 is invitation only.

high-sec incursion: 10.5m ISK + 1,400 LP per vanguard, random rag-tag fleet

0.0 incursion: 15m ISK + 2,000 LP per vanguard, decent fittings and competent pilots

@OP : if you nerf High-sec , people will leave . They are not in high-sec because it's safe , but because they just DON'T LIKE the other areas of the game . For them , Eve is all about BEING IN A SPACESHIP and the MMORTS thingy , they just love Eve for it's basics , not for anything else .

And that is why they won't leave, even if highsec is nerfed.

Most of these people subs with PLEX , not Gé¼/$/whatever , and if it's too much of an hassle to pay this PLEX every month with enough money to keep enjoying the game , they'll quit (and i would not be surprised if it's the reason CCP want to keep PLEX price from going trough the roof) .

Until you promote and encourage more CVA like entities with open doors to new comers, some sort of NRBS player policing ...

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"How do you make your ISK?" A common answer is "Incursions in highsec." It's a small sample, obviously, but one person who goes to highsec to earn money isn't doing so alone. People like to do these activities with the people they're most comfortable with -- other corp and alliance mates.[/i]

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You're suggesting a game mechanic that enforces an NRDS (assuming you meant NRDS, because what exactly is NRBS) in nullsec? Holy ravioli! The carebear attitude in this game is out of control.

You're suggesting a game mechanic that enforces an NRDS (assuming you meant NRDS, because what exactly is NRBS) in nullsec? Holy ravioli! The carebear attitude in this game is out of control.

If you nerf highsec people will quit.

You're suggesting a game mechanic that enforces an NRDS (assuming you meant NRDS, because what exactly is NRBS) in nullsec? Holy ravioli! The carebear attitude in this game is out of control.

highsec Incursions broke eve's economy; discuss

It is an erroneous assumption that everyone would prefer null over empire if only the barriers to entry or learning curves were not so high. Those barriers are nonexistant to the player who actually wants to be there and irelevant to the ones who don't.

@Jita, every time I SEE the OP its in a whine thread. So you gotta expect Im gonna see whine.

Very few people do 0.0 incursions. Check the incursion page in-game. Very few of them see any activity at all, much less get acted upon to completion. Just because you can make more money doing 0.0 incursions, doesn't mean anyone is actually doing them.

If the money is so good, why the **** aren't you out there doing them? Oh right, because the money in highsec is much much better given the risk (none).

So it's highsec's fault that people aren't doing nullsec incursions?
Right, totally makes sense.

No it's because nullbears are chicken wits and won't go do an incursion in nullsec unless it spawns in their own backyard where their systems are bubbled to **** and they have intel channels that will warn them before the enemies have even loaded ammunition!

Incursions broke eve's economy; discuss

I personally like running level 4's in highsec, making money, buying shineys, and having fun talking to people. I like flying my rattlesnake, comet, ishtar, what have you, around and shooting rats without the risk of some ******* finding me, blowing me up, and ruining my fun.

If null-sec wants more action, then they need to HTFU and declare war on eachother.

For real.

I play EVE for fun. The minute it stops being fun is the minute I stop playing.

I don't mind risk, and I don't mind putting in effort/time for my rewards.

But the minute I'm forced to fly some ****-fitted crappy T1 Frigate 24/7 instead of my favorite Caldari Navy Hookbill because it's a liability and people are trying to kill me every 20 seconds... f*ck that I'm gone and I don't care if you think I'm a carebear for it.

If null-sec wants more action, then they need to HTFU and declare war on eachother.

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The concept of consequences doesn't exist when you can have multiple accounts.

It is CCP's fault for making the risk/reward ratio favour highsec incursions over lowsec or nullsec incursions. The risk one takes in lowsec or nullsec doesn't come close to the reward one can obtain. People will naturally flock to the most ISK for the least amount of risk.

Double or triple nullsec incursion rewards, while reducing highsec incursion rewards by 20%, and you may find people actively pursuing the nullsec reward, because the reward might actually be equal to the risk.

There is no risk in highsec. It is all reward.

Naturally, earning 10M ISK per hour for no risk (highsec) is preferable to 15M ISK per hour for substantial risk (nullsec).

It is an erroneous assumption that everyone would prefer null over empire if only the barriers to entry or learning curves were not so high. Those barriers are nonexistant to the player who actually wants to be there and irelevant to the ones who don't.

Explain. That doesn't make any sense.

He means when one character has a penalty imposed you can just use your other characters to circumvent the restriction, like buying items with one character and transfering it to the one with the penalty as one example.

CCP encourages this though.

people gravitate to the method that causes the least amount of annoyance

CRAFTING:

crafting in null should allow players to create unique and better items than those found through out the game.

Bull****. These carebears would have went to WoW and other risk-free games a long time ago. This game doesn't exactly have riveting solo play, the game kinda of sucks in that regard. These people are here for other reasons. Whether it's the sci-fi, the idea that they could get into danger (even though they avoid and whine about it like the plague), or the social aspect.

On topic now, like that other guy said if you make the highsec incursions rubbish then people will probably just leave.

What were you all playing before highsec incursions came along? So yeah, I'm calling bull**** again. Nerf the income from highsec incursions by 20% and you'll still be playing.

Very few people do 0.0 incursions. Check the incursion page in-game. Very few of them see any activity at all, much less get acted upon to completion. Just because you can make more money doing 0.0 incursions, doesn't mean anyone is actually doing them.

If the money is so good, why the **** aren't you out there doing them? Oh right, because the money in highsec is much much better given the risk (none).

Some of us actually do incursions outside of highsec. Ill take the risks of low/nullsec over the hassle of public incursion fleets, and make lots more isk in the process. I get to incursion in a fleet of fellow alliance members and blues where I know most of the people in fleet rather than a bunch of randoms.

I dont know about other powerblocks/alliances, but the CFC has a very active group of incursion runners and we exclusively do low/nullsec incursions. Our only limitation on system selection is we dont do nullsec incursions outside of blue space due to the lack of stations to stage out of (because lets face it, an alliance who is red or neut to us isn't about to let us dock in their stations, or even appreciate having us in their space).

Commendable that you do so. Likely not the norm, but maybe your example will spur others.

What do you mean not the norm?
He and his blues are the largest alliances in EVE darn it!

Does this argument even make sense backwards? Nullsec is too attractive, nerf it because we are lacking pilots in highsec?