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Dr Awsome	Posted - 2006.04.27 00:59:00 - [1] Domi gets a bonus to Drones, Not heavy drones, just drones, not just thermal drones, just drones.......so thats 4x different types of scout drones 4x medium drones 4x heavy drones 4x sentry drones ---------------- 16 different types of damage mods before you argue about the raven, it gets 4x cruise 4x torp ----------------- 8 different types of damage.... Does any other BS get a damage bonus to all of it's size's of weapons? Any opinions?
3GG H34D	Posted - 2006.04.27 01:02:00 - [2] This thread was not worth reading. ========================================= Think u know 1337?, you dont know nuffink! O_±8+nÅSk*¦u/°÷_˜¦=5ò@Q@Q@M_?ZåñIîbå+T~p(4y+--%£= p(4+iGmZ¦!++ì¦:B¦¦6x+ Ö
Gronsak	Posted - 2006.04.27 01:02:00 - [3] Edited by: Gronsak on 27/04/2006 01:02:31 you forgot the damage bonous to blasters and rails not to mention if u gave it only a bonous to heavy drones then any ship with a drone bay would do the same damage drone for drone as the domi which shouldnt be the case -------------------Sig----------------------- IPO idea: give it a read, feedback wanted, thanks
Zyrla Bladestorm	Posted - 2006.04.27 01:03:00 - [4] Drones deal a lot less damage than most racks of large weapons ? it also only gets damage bonus to large hybrids, not medium and small (and even the domi fitting a rack of 350mm rails will probably double its own drone's damage) As to damage types, I believe the dev's statement was "If the domi won't use the other types, who will ?" . ----- Apologies for any rambling that may have just occurred.
J'val Iktar	Posted - 2006.04.27 01:05:00 - [5] Don't forget the T2 variants. Seriously, whats the point of this post?
D'onryu Shoqui	Posted - 2006.04.27 01:06:00 - [6] we all know this makes the domi so overpowered that its the most piloted ship
DoctorColossal Pervius	Posted - 2006.04.27 01:18:00 - [7] Yes an opinion. True it does have a bonus to small, med and large drones and maybe this needs looking into, ie. restricting to just heavies. The rest of your post is bucking follox tbh. Several ships do multiple damage types whats your point? As for the 16 dmg mods. Eh? It is so boring to read whines about how the ship is flown by everybody (as per last poster). If you don't want to follow the crowd of "drones" then guess what? DON'T! You have a choice. Make it. Enjoy the game!
Hydrian Alante	Posted - 2006.04.27 01:29:00 - [8] Originally by: 3GG H34D This thread was not worth reading. QFT nuff said
Cpt Placeholder	Posted - 2006.04.27 02:19:00 - [9] Originally by: Dr Awsome Any opinions? yes... this is a pointless whine
Hllaxiu	Posted - 2006.04.27 02:26:00 - [10] Originally by: Dr Awsome Domi gets a bonus to Drones, Not heavy drones, just drones, not just thermal drones, just drones.......so thats 4x different types of scout drones 4x medium drones 4x heavy drones 4x sentry drones ---------------- 16 different types of damage mods before you argue about the raven, it gets 4x cruise 4x torp ----------------- 8 different types of damage.... Does any other BS get a damage bonus to all of it's size's of weapons? Any opinions? Wrong wrong wrong! A dominix gets these bonuses: 3 types of railguns, 3 types of blasters, 8 types of tech 1 ammo for each hybrid gun + 4 tech 2 ammo types. And those drones you mentioned... so I guess 52+16 = 68 damage modifiers! A Raven gets: Cruise + Torps * 4 types of tech 1 ammo each, and 8 types of tech 2 ammo for each launcher type! Thats 64 damage bonuses! I love playing the statistics can prove anything game. --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson
Blanche Virgo	Posted - 2006.04.27 02:33:00 - [11] You forgot the damage bonus vs asteroids for mining drones, that's like, even more..... EvE > WoW
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2006.04.27 02:43:00 - [12] FFS NERF THE DOMI! Originally by: Dark Shikari Istvaan Shogaatsu's ego, when combined with a veldspar asteroid, would create 500 titans. Too bad he's never mined. RAWR!11 Sig Hijack!11 - Imaran
Aversin	Posted - 2006.04.27 03:47:00 - [13] This isn't the reason the dominix is overpowered, but I could use some looking into. Originally by: Razner Cerizo They will never quit. The beatings will continue until morale improves.
Dr Awsome	Posted - 2006.04.27 04:00:00 - [14] The main gripe is a domi can fit 5x heavy 5x sentry 5x scout and 5x med drones, so its suitable at kill inty, frig, assault, cruiser, hac, recon, and bs with the same nos, ew, tank setup. Its what ccp promised not to create, a solo pwnable ship. It is what the raven was pre cold war and look what happened to that, a raven wont fit standard or heavy launchers to fight frigs and cruisers because it doesnt get a bonus to ALL missile damages. So why can the domi fit every size drone and just send out whatever it needs to in the situation. That doesnt seem the least bit off compared to other ships?
D'onryu Shoqui	Posted - 2006.04.27 04:03:00 - [15] carriers do same thing but without the drone bonus ,why not start a nerf carrier to only be able to launch fighters thread.
Meridius	Posted - 2006.04.27 04:06:00 - [16] Originally by: 3GG H34D This thread was not worth reading. Too late _ __
Gregorri	Posted - 2006.04.27 04:12:00 - [17] Ok so basically you got omgwtfpwnd by a dominix and you come here to make an alt to cry about it. yup....next.
Dri Kulsane	Posted - 2006.04.27 04:30:00 - [18] They are not that good. They are a massive defence ship when setup that way, but it's not how your described it.
Gariuys	Posted - 2006.04.27 07:33:00 - [19] Originally by: Meridius Originally by: 3GG H34D This thread was not worth reading. Too late Yeah, I want my time back. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Alliaanna Dalaii	Posted - 2006.04.27 07:40:00 - [20] Originally by: Gariuys Originally by: Meridius Originally by: 3GG H34D This thread was not worth reading. Too late Yeah, I want my time back. Signed, Domi is overpowered... we all know this. this thread is dumb Alliaanna Official Follower of =-= Royal Hiigaran Navy =-=
Spartan239	Posted - 2006.04.27 08:17:00 - [21] Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii Originally by: Gariuys Originally by: Meridius Originally by: 3GG H34D This thread was not worth reading. Too late Yeah, I want my time back. Signed, Domi is overpowered... we all know this. this thread is dumb Alliaanna overpowered how, ecm is whats overpowered, not the domi Originally by: Tamora > its not the skills that make the eve player... its the smack that back him up
Lucus Ranger	Posted - 2006.04.27 08:24:00 - [22] Indeed, it is ECM that makes the Domi powerfull, not so much the drones.
Mnengli Noiliffe	Posted - 2006.04.27 08:26:00 - [23] domi has +1 drone controlled per level bonus, represented as the drone damage bonus for lag reduction.
Klurig	Posted - 2006.04.27 08:30:00 - [24] The reason the domi has a dmg bonus across the board is because of its old bonus. The old bonus was +1 drone controlled per level, not +1 large thermal drone per level, this was only changed because apparantly it caused too much lag with more then 5 drones per ship in space. The new bonus made the domi pretty much unchanged from the drone changes if you dont consider its effectiveness with the new drones (which werent in there before the drone change anyway so thats a useless comparison after all).
Ithildin	Posted - 2006.04.27 08:34:00 - [25] Originally by: Dr Awsome Any opinions? I'm going to make an exception because it's getting VERY tiresome. Sir, that was a stupid point you had there in the OP. Very stupid. Symmetry does not equal balance. New sig coming soonÖ Drone musing (MC-boards)
Testy Mctest	Posted - 2006.04.27 08:42:00 - [26] Ive not read this thread other than the OP, but the major problem with drone ships and drones in general being better than 'normal' weapon systems, is that ships with drone bonuses dont get their bonus limited to size. Most battleships get a bonus to large weapons of some kind. Why does the Domi get a bonus to its small, medium, and large weapons? The same goes for other drone carriers. Realistically, drone ships will never be balanced by the disadvantages that other ships face unless the drone bonuses are changed to be size-specific. There's no reason that a Domi should be able to take on ships of all sizes via one weapon system. Testy's Eve Blog!
Spartan239	Posted - 2006.04.27 08:46:00 - [27] Originally by: Testy Mctest Ive not read this thread other than the OP, but the major problem with drone ships and drones in general being better than 'normal' weapon systems, is that ships with drone bonuses dont get their bonus limited to size. Most battleships get a bonus to large weapons of some kind. Why does the Domi get a bonus to its small, medium, and large weapons? The same goes for other drone carriers. Realistically, drone ships will never be balanced by the disadvantages that other ships face unless the drone bonuses are changed to be size-specific. There's no reason that a Domi should be able to take on ships of all sizes via one weapon system. Your answer you seek is in this thread: Originally by: Klurig The reason the domi has a dmg bonus across the board is because of its old bonus. The old bonus was +1 drone controlled per level, not +1 large thermal drone per level, this was only changed because apparantly it caused too much lag with more then 5 drones per ship in space. The new bonus made the domi pretty much unchanged from the drone changes if you dont consider its effectiveness with the new drones (which werent in there before the drone change anyway so thats a useless comparison after all). Originally by: Tamora its not the skills that make the eve player... its the smack that back him up
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.04.27 09:12:00 - [28] Look domi is also the only ship that is able to leave 1/3 of firepower behind when you have to warp out. Also the only ship that needs less than 1 click to activate weapons... Die, die, die.
smallgreenblur	Posted - 2006.04.27 09:50:00 - [29] I want my 5 minutes back :( sgb C6 is recruiting ... visit www.c6-eve.com or join channel c-6 for details.
MysticNZ	Posted - 2006.04.27 09:51:00 - [30] CPP PLEASE NERF EVE, IT'S OVERPOWERED (also, nerf my keyboard) :D -=====-
Niestrenna	Posted - 2006.04.27 10:28:00 - [31] Wasted some NPC farming time reading this, lost money here!! OP owes me isk!
Wolverine PL	Posted - 2006.04.27 10:49:00 - [32] Originally by: MysticNZ CPP PLEASE NERF EVE, IT'S OVERPOWERED (also, nerf my keyboard) :D CCP Please NERF SHUTTLES:P Common PPL You say domi have 16 types of dmg? LOL I see only 4:P Raven can use: rocekts :P, standard missiles, heavy missiles, cruise and torpedoes. 6x4=24 types plus 4types of drones for light, medium, heavy and sentry = another 16 Total for raven = 40!! Domi = 3xsize gunsx2type of dmg=6 plus 16 from drones = 22 So I say NERF RAVEN:P
Mnengli Noiliffe	Posted - 2006.04.27 11:03:00 - [33] Originally by: Testy Mctest The same is still true for the new bonus. The bonus itself is irrelevent, the fact that it essentially applies to three different sizes of weapon system, making it the only BS capable of taking on all ship sizes from frigate to battleship with no weapon size based disadvantages from the outset. Raven got precision cruise missles for that. Besides, most of the other BSes can use drones, Domi is just somewhat more effective with them.
Butter Dog	Posted - 2006.04.27 11:07:00 - [34] Originally by: D'onryu Shoqui we all know this makes the domi so overpowered that its the most piloted ship Actually thats the Raven, Domi is about 4th on the list. ------------------ The ISS Navy is recruiting. See this thread for further details. www.eve-iss.com
MrRookie	Posted - 2006.04.27 11:12:00 - [35] Originally by: Wolverine PL Originally by: MysticNZ CPP PLEASE NERF EVE, IT'S OVERPOWERED (also, nerf my keyboard) :D CCP Please NERF SHUTTLES:P Common PPL You say domi have 16 types of dmg? LOL I see only 4:P Raven can use: rocekts :P, standard missiles, heavy missiles, cruise and torpedoes. 6x4=24 types plus 4types of drones for light, medium, heavy and sentry = another 16 Total for raven = 40!! Domi = 3xsize gunsx2type of dmg=6 plus 16 from drones = 22 So I say NERF RAVEN:P Yay nerf shuttles ffs, they got more cpu than my executioner... I mean wtf... _____________________________________________ \o/ I got a siggy... WTB 3x Medium Modulated Pulse Energy Beams http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=139877
James Lyrus	Posted - 2006.04.27 11:16:00 - [36] Originally by: Wolverine PL Originally by: MysticNZ CPP PLEASE NERF EVE, IT'S OVERPOWERED (also, nerf my keyboard) :D CCP Please NERF SHUTTLES:P Common PPL You say domi have 16 types of dmg? LOL I see only 4:P Raven can use: rocekts :P, standard missiles, heavy missiles, cruise and torpedoes. 6x4=24 types plus 4types of drones for light, medium, heavy and sentry = another 16 Total for raven = 40!! Domi = 3xsize gunsx2type of dmg=6 plus 16 from drones = 22 So I say NERF RAVEN:P I believe the discussion was about damage bonuses, not weapons you could fit. Ravens get damage bonuses to cruise and siege launchers. Domis get bonuses to _all_ drones. (And I remember the uproar about the possibility of it being a thermal damage only bonus) Missiles were changed because there was a problem with Ravens + torps being able to kill anything and everything with ease, from battleships down to interceptors. The problem wasn't the firepower, or the bonuses, it was because it was able to fit to kill anything. Now, you _can_ fit a raven with rocket/assault launchers. But you give up all your damage bonuses to do so. Similarly you can fit any battleship with 'frigate sized' weaponry. As it stands, by being able to a) fit a full complement of different sized drones, and b) get damage bonuses to all of them, the dominix has taken the Raven's place of the 'can kill anything' battleship. (And lets not even start on being able to fit nos + ecm + tank and still do huge amounts of damage with drones) -- We are recruiting We sell carriers.
Sun Ra	Posted - 2006.04.27 11:19:00 - [37] its more like 4.. but ye its like a mega getting bonuses to small med and large guns, most of the posters here are imba domi users who love doing 1200 dps Arcane Frankologies - 'plz stop guys it's xmas'
The Wizz117	Posted - 2006.04.27 11:20:00 - [38] maybe its compensation for all the drone bugs
Riddari	Posted - 2006.04.27 11:24:00 - [39] Why on earth should you have scout drones when your mediums can kill the interceptors? When you need to warp out in a hurry, how often does the raven lose his launchers and they float around in space? Or the Armageddon and mega pulses? Dominix can be made into a decent tank and have a decent damage output (drones are not up there with megapulses or blasters or autocannons). It is however not an uberganker, it will take longer for it to kill other ships and if you keep your range, guess what, you can warp out like you would against other ships. For long range fleet battles, its just a statistic on the battle field, easy target with little damage output (so the only reason to make one a primary is to get a kill, killing it will not put a huge dent into the enemies firepower). I stood by it when it was crap, and now that it's halfway decent you want it nerfed? ¼+¼ a history
Queen Hades	Posted - 2006.04.27 11:26:00 - [40] Originally by: Zyrla Bladestorm Drones deal a lot less damage than most racks of large weapons ? it also only gets damage bonus to large hybrids, not medium and small (and even the domi fitting a rack of 350mm rails will probably double its own drone's damage) As to damage types, I believe the dev's statement was "If the domi won't use the other types, who will ?" Believe it or not - but each and every level 2 mission can be won by an otherwise unarmed (including NOS!) 'rax when you have 5x Hammerhead I's and drone interfacing at level 3 / 4. It's a common mistake to underestimate drones. For me they are an "I win" button in PvE.
Queen Hades	Posted - 2006.04.27 11:27:00 - [41] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: D'onryu Shoqui we all know this makes the domi so overpowered that its the most piloted ship Actually thats the Raven, Domi is about 4th on the list. I would have thought the most flown ship was something like the Ibis.
Kery Nysell	Posted - 2006.04.27 11:28:00 - [42] Yes, the Dominix has bonuses to all drones sizes. Drones are the only weapon system that can actually be destroyed by the opponent without having to destroy the ship first. And guess what, even with the new drones and the Durability skill, the drones don't have a ton of shield/armor points ... If a Domi with NOS+ECM+tank gets all his drones killed, he'll still be able to tank, NOS and ECM, but he won't even scratch the paint of his opponents. In short, leave the bonus as it is.
Theron Gyrow	Posted - 2006.04.27 11:31:00 - [43] Originally by: Queen Hades Believe it or not - but each and every level 2 mission can be won by an otherwise unarmed (including NOS!) 'rax when you have 5x Hammerhead I's and drone interfacing at level 3 / 4. It's a common mistake to underestimate drones. For me they are an "I win" button in PvE. <hijack> Really? Genuinely curious, how do you handle the multi-wave missions? I'd have thought that they'd kill your drones over a few spawns. </hijack> -- Gradient's forum
Epsilon 1	Posted - 2006.04.27 11:32:00 - [44] Domi nerf is underway Originally by: Steven Gerrard Why do those minmatarians throw their ships together from toilet paper and junk?
Butter Dog	Posted - 2006.04.27 11:36:00 - [45] Originally by: Queen Hades Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: D'onryu Shoqui we all know this makes the domi so overpowered that its the most piloted ship Actually thats the Raven, Domi is about 4th on the list. I would have thought the most flown ship was something like the Ibis. Don't be so ***** stupid. We're talking about BS's, quite obviously. ------------------ The ISS Navy is recruiting.** See this thread for further details. www.eve-iss.com
Zhon	Posted - 2006.04.27 11:37:00 - [46] Edited by: Zhon on 27/04/2006 11:37:40 Originally by: Dr Awsome Domi gets a bonus to Drones, Not heavy drones, just drones, not just thermal drones, just drones.......so thats 4x different types of scout drones 4x medium drones 4x heavy drones 4x sentry drones ---------------- 16 different types of damage mods before you argue about the raven, it gets 4x cruise 4x torp ----------------- 8 different types of damage.... Does any other BS get a damage bonus to all of it's size's of weapons? Any opinions? Raven doesnt get a damage bonus........ lol. It get a ROF and velocity bonus DOH...! ---------
Queen Hades	Posted - 2006.04.27 11:38:00 - [47] Originally by: Theron Gyrow Originally by: Queen Hades Believe it or not - but each and every level 2 mission can be won by an otherwise unarmed (including NOS!) 'rax when you have 5x Hammerhead I's and drone interfacing at level 3 / 4. It's a common mistake to underestimate drones. For me they are an "I win" button in PvE. <hijack> Really? Genuinely curious, how do you handle the multi-wave missions? I'd have thought that they'd kill your drones over a few spawns. </hijack> 1. Call them back as soon as the wave arrives, let the enemies aggress you and get the drones out again. But: for some reason it happens extremely rare to me that the drones get aggressed in any way. And if they are I have plenty of time to recall them so they can regenerate shields. Played for about 13k worth of LP level 2 missions with one set of Hammerhead I's and have lost not a single one. Didn't even get one of them into structure. 2. Avoid long range fights - takes too long to loot and endangers the drones. In fact my 'rax only has 2x 250mm rails fitted for the destruction of something that happens to be at about 20 - 27 km away when I start. Most of the time even they are offline. I consider going for shield tanking again with 2x med. shield booster II with a cap recharger or whatever instead of the guns. Only mission I need my guns more is part 5 of "human cattle". But even that is a walk in the park when you draw that damn Moa out of the roids.
Queen Hades	Posted - 2006.04.27 11:39:00 - [48] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Queen Hades Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: D'onryu Shoqui we all know this makes the domi so overpowered that its the most piloted ship Actually thats the Raven, Domi is about 4th on the list. I would have thought the most flown ship was something like the Ibis. Don't be so stupid. We're talking about BS's, quite obviously. Sorry, was a bit off. Didn't mean to offend you.
Yarek Balear	Posted - 2006.04.27 11:43:00 - [49] Originally by: MysticNZ CPP PLEASE NERF EVE, IT'S OVERPOWERED (also, nerf my keyboard) :D Actually - nerf the use of the mouse, a mouse is overpowered. Force everyone to use 150 different keyboard combinations, that'll sort the men from the boys... Agree with the "waste of time" comments though...
Twilight Moon	Posted - 2006.04.27 11:51:00 - [50] Originally by: Dr Awsome The main gripe is a domi can fit 5x heavy 5x sentry 5x scout and 5x med drones, so its suitable at kill inty, frig, assault, cruiser, hac, recon, and bs with the same nos, ew, tank setup. Its what ccp promised not to create, a solo pwnable ship. It is what the raven was pre cold war and look what happened to that, a raven wont fit standard or heavy launchers to fight frigs and cruisers because it doesnt get a bonus to ALL missile damages. So why can the domi fit every size drone and just send out whatever it needs to in the situation. That doesnt seem the least bit off compared to other ships? Buy a bloody smartbomb ffs.
Sun Ra	Posted - 2006.04.27 12:17:00 - [51] Edited by: Sun Ra on 27/04/2006 12:17:25 Originally by: Kery Nysell Yes, the Dominix has bonuses to all drones sizes. Drones are the only weapon system that can actually be destroyed by the opponent without having to destroy the ship first. And guess what, even with the new drones and the Durability skill, the drones don't have a ton of shield/armor points ... If a Domi with NOS+ECM+tank gets all his drones killed, he'll still be able to tank, NOS and ECM, but he won't even scratch the paint of his opponents. In short, leave the bonus as it is. You can destroy missles also, using 2 methods also if the domi's using ecm there goes 1 way of destorying drones, `also you dont have to put nos on a domi, so your point is nulled Arcane Frankologies - 'plz stop guys it's xmas'
Tbone	Posted - 2006.04.27 13:24:00 - [52] Originally by: Dr Awsome The main gripe is a domi can fit 5x heavy 5x sentry 5x scout and 5x med drones, so its suitable at kill inty, frig, assault, cruiser, hac, recon, and bs with the same nos, ew, tank setup. Its what ccp promised not to create, a solo pwnable ship. It is what the raven was pre cold war and look what happened to that, a raven wont fit standard or heavy launchers to fight frigs and cruisers because it doesnt get a bonus to ALL missile damages. So why can the domi fit every size drone and just send out whatever it needs to in the situation. That doesnt seem the least bit off compared to other ships? U ever felt a volley precision cruise hitting a inty. I have. its not fun. so dont say the raven dosent have the firepower to kill anything else. ----------------------------------------------- Finite Horizon
Kery Nysell	Posted - 2006.04.27 13:34:00 - [53] Originally by: Sun Ra Edited by: Sun Ra on 27/04/2006 12:17:25 Originally by: Kery Nysell Yes, the Dominix has bonuses to all drones sizes. Drones are the only weapon system that can actually be destroyed by the opponent without having to destroy the ship first. And guess what, even with the new drones and the Durability skill, the drones don't have a ton of shield/armor points ... If a Domi with NOS+ECM+tank gets all his drones killed, he'll still be able to tank, NOS and ECM, but he won't even scratch the paint of his opponents. In short, leave the bonus as it is. You can destroy missles also, using 2 methods also if the domi's using ecm there goes 1 way of destorying drones, `also you dont have to put nos on a domi, so your point is nulled My point was, and still is, that I think that the Dominix is fine as it is. But I don't do any PvP (bleargh, boring) and I don't fly the ship, so I may well be totally wrong ... no need to be so aggressive tough.
Spartan239	Posted - 2006.04.27 13:35:00 - [54] Originally by: Testy Mctest Originally by: Spartan239 Originally by: Testy Mctest Ive not read this thread other than the OP, but the major problem with drone ships and drones in general being better than 'normal' weapon systems, is that ships with drone bonuses dont get their bonus limited to size. Most battleships get a bonus to large weapons of some kind. Why does the Domi get a bonus to its small, medium, and large weapons? The same goes for other drone carriers. Realistically, drone ships will never be balanced by the disadvantages that other ships face unless the drone bonuses are changed to be size-specific. There's no reason that a Domi should be able to take on ships of all sizes via one weapon system. Your answer you seek is in this thread: Originally by: Klurig The reason the domi has a dmg bonus across the board is because of its old bonus. The old bonus was +1 drone controlled per level, not +1 large thermal drone per level, this was only changed because apparantly it caused too much lag with more then 5 drones per ship in space. The new bonus made the domi pretty much unchanged from the drone changes if you dont consider its effectiveness with the new drones (which werent in there before the drone change anyway so thats a useless comparison after all). You evidently dont have a clue about the point being made here. With the old bonus, the domi was gaining advantage whether it chose to use light (small equivalent), medium (medium equivalent), or heavy (large equivalent) drones. The same is still true for the new bonus. The bonus itself is irrelevent, the fact that it essentially applies to three different sizes of weapon system, making it the only BS capable of taking on all ship sizes from frigate to battleship with no weapon size based disadvantages from the outset. So your saying that the domi has always needed to be nerfed? Originally by: Tamora its not the skills that make the eve player... its the smack that back him up
Ithildin	Posted - 2006.04.27 13:40:00 - [55] Originally by: Testy Mctest Realistically, drone ships will never be balanced by the disadvantages that other ships face unless the drone bonuses are changed to be size-specific. There's no reason that a Domi should be able to take on ships of all sizes via one weapon system. I dispute this claim on reasons of missing/faulty argumentation! I present you with the following matters to ponder: 1. Turning it around, why doesn't all ships get bonuses to all turret types? 2. Heavy drones are the most effective drone in more than 80% of all situations. 3. Drones is a unique weapon, and can be compared even less to turrets than missiles. Counter argumentation: The Dominix should be allowed freedom of choice when it comes to drones because it's the most limited ship of all. It cannot fit to be effective in any situation other than smaller skirmishes. All other battleships have the option to fit for both fleet and for close range. The Dominix is merely 50% more effective than a well fitted battleship when it comes to taking out tacklers - is this too much to ask for when it can't do combat effectively outside 20km regardless of fitting? Please note that heavy drones are much slower than torpedoes, and have shorter "hit range" On an additional note, do know that you cannot just "switch" mode of fire. Drones are extremely cumbersome to withdraw to dronebay. Identifying the problem: The problem lies in external factors to the Dominix. It has nothing to do with the Dominix itself nor with it's drone bonuses, which are over all pretty balanced. To a large part it has to do with a) electronic warfare modules being a tad overly effective (on non-EW ships) and b) that other support module (nosferatu, NOT neuts!) being too effective on smaller targets. Let's not forget c), though. C) it's all perception. No, I'm not saying you are all deluding yourselves, I'm saying that the extreme advantage of the Dominix isn't so extreme and that ones the other problems have been fixed, first then should you return. No point arguing kneejerk fixes. Last but not least: I'd like to remind everyone who's old enough of the good old days when the Dominix had a +500 metric (that's two large drones) drone bay bonus instead of +1 drone or +10% drone damage. Suffice to say, it was rated BELOW TYPHOON in terms of usefulness. It's a fine line, so yes, I call all proposals to change the Dominix' DRONE USAGE "kneejerk fixes" because that's what they are - messing with a slim line. New sig coming soonÖ Drone musing (MC-boards)
Mnengli Noiliffe	Posted - 2006.04.27 19:39:00 - [56] Ok just in case they're gonna nerf it, here's the suggestion on how to properly do it without frustrating all drone users who invested all those millions of SP into drones. The main problem people seem to have with the Domi is that it can change drones in space to meet the specific threat, while other ships have to dock at the station and refit the other type of turrets for that. We all know though that they don't need to, as the just fit large guns and have medium drones for the frigs. But that's irrelevant... So, here's the solution - just nerf drones a little bit. Make it possible to only put one size of combat drone in the drone bay. So you can put only medium drones, or only lights, or only heavies, on ANY ship. Thus domi will have to choose if she wants to stick with heavies or the mediums or lights.. Dunno if it should be possible or not to load both sentries and heavies though. Also it's not quite clear if it should be possible or not to combine one size of combat drones with the other size of EWAR drones. As of the drone bonus, I believe it should be left intact because drone bonus is just that, a replacement for the proper +1 drone controlled per level bonus. And it'd be just illogical if Domi could control 10 heavies but couldn't 10 mediums for example. Just live with it, you know EVE is not about absolutely equal weapons for different looking ships. Learn to respect these differences, for every weapon in EVE has its advantages and disadvantages. Yes - drone boats, due to the nature of drones, can have bonus to all sizes, but on their short hand is the fact that drones can be easily killed, that and the fitting abilities of drone boats are pretty tight.
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2006.04.28 01:29:00 - [57] Originally by: Boonaki Can't wait to see 5 motherships sitting in a system with 20 fiighters each. (talking about lag) I wouldn't want to be on the recieving end of a 100 fighters. You wouldn't feel much. By the time 5 motherships and 100 fighters loaded onto your display, you'd probably be in your new clone already. Originally by: Dark Shikari Istvaan Shogaatsu's ego, when combined with a veldspar asteroid, would create 500 titans. Too bad he's never mined. RAWR!11 Sig Hijack!11 - Imaran
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2006.04.28 01:29:00 - [58] Originally by: Boonaki Can't wait to see 5 motherships sitting in a system with 20 fiighters each. (talking about lag) I wouldn't want to be on the recieving end of a 100 fighters. You wouldn't feel much. By the time 5 motherships and 100 fighters loaded onto your display, you'd probably be in your new clone already. Originally by: Dark Shikari Istvaan Shogaatsu's ego, when combined with a veldspar asteroid, would create 500 titans. Too bad he's never mined. RAWR!11 Sig Hijack!11 - Imaran

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