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Jalia Kovac
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Posted - 2006.04.27 05:33:00 -
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I find it interesting that this development comes as a surprise to many. Having debated the course of the electoral proceedings in the past with current and former colleagues, this move seemed inevitable. As much as it pains me to suggest it as an avid and previously active supporter of Autrech's campaign within the Placid region, this may well be the best hope for the continued stability of the Federation.
Autrech's continued candidacy would only have served to draw votes away from the incumbent President and make a victory by the xenophobic Blaque more likely.
I would personally have expected Autrech to have said as much himself and urged his supporters to throw their weight in behind the Foiritan bid to retain office. The manner of his retirement from the election is troubling. It strikes me as odd that a man who has risen up through the ranks of the Federal bureaucracy is now blaming difficulties within the electoral process for his withdrawal.
I for one would like to see an investigation of the events leading up to this decision.
Regardless, even if financial pressure turns out to be the rationale behind his withdrawal, surely even an injection of funds could scarcely repair the damage to Autrech's credibility as a Presidential candidate.
I submit that all well-meaning Federation citizens pledge their support for the incumbent President, Mr. Souro Foiritan, to avoid the potential catastrophe that a Blaque-led government might bring to pass.
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Vendrin
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Posted - 2006.04.27 09:46:00 -
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Now the Federation sees the problems so called Democracy causes. From what I have seen now, I will not be suprised if Blake is elected. A pity something I see as an inevitability will cause so much trouble across the cluster.
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2006.04.27 10:30:00 -
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 Originally by: Vendrin
I will not be suprised if Blake is elected.
Whilst I'm sure that I would do a far better job running the Federation than that shower of so-called democratic politicians, I suspect that your rules do not allow me to stand.
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Elrianmk2
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Posted - 2006.04.27 11:02:00 -
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And for that minor grace we are truely grateful. Ammar have no place in the federation unless they are willing to set aside thier campiegn of terror, abduction and slavery. Those who do however choose to live as equals understanding the glorious freedoms to choose others religion and cultural backgrounds are indeed welcome.
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Halunoto Vankaalen
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Posted - 2006.04.27 11:06:00 -
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Originally by: Elrianmk2
Those who do however choose to live as equals understanding the glorious freedoms to choose others religion and cultural backgrounds are indeed welcome.
Not with Blaque in power.
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Edward Sarum
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Posted - 2006.04.27 11:07:00 -
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Originally by: Elrianmk2
And for that minor grace we are truely grateful. Ammar have no place in the federation unless they are willing to set aside thier campiegn of terror, abduction and slavery. Those who do however choose to live as equals understanding the glorious freedoms to choose others religion and cultural backgrounds are indeed welcome.
And Gallante have no place within the Empire unless they abandon their perversions and accept the will of God in their lives. So before you tell others you are glad they are not involved, butt out of their affairs..
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Shemar
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Posted - 2006.04.27 12:24:00 -
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Originally by: Elrianmk2
Those who do however choose to live as equals understanding the glorious freedoms to choose others religion and cultural backgrounds are indeed welcome.
Agreed.
As for the original topic, it seems to me like the usual political manouvering. I am sure a number of under the table dealings were involved.
Nobody said democracy is perfect, but it is still better than anything else.
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Tharrn
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Posted - 2006.04.27 12:39:00 -
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Considering how long the election has been going he is probably just retiring due to old age.
Now recruiting!
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Mebrithiel Ju'wien
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Posted - 2006.04.27 12:58:00 -
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Originally by: Tharrn
Considering how long the election has been going he is probably just retiring due to old age.
And here I was thinking all Amarr had lost their sense of humour...
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2006.04.27 13:15:00 -
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Originally by: Tharrn
Considering how long the election has been going he is probably just retiring due to old age.
I donĘt think ive ever seen an amarrian make a joke, its a funny one too...
Anyway, I guess this once again shows that the Federation is no longer a democracy, Foiritan took care of that. Now, anyone feel like placing a bet as to when and how Blaque is forced to abandon his run for presidency?
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Able Citizen
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Posted - 2006.04.27 13:22:00 -
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The devils that occupy the seats of power in the Federation have tried to shuck and jive their way around their inability (or lack of desire, perhaps) to govern. When a panetary horror such as the one that occurred in Reschard is unable to muster assistance from the self-proclaimed 'democracy' in the Cluster, then the ruse has failed.
These elites that are surrounded by sycophants are clueless. I predict more rebellion as opposed to less will come to pass before any of these political issues are resolved.
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Bruno Bonner
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Posted - 2006.04.27 13:24:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Now, anyone feel like placing a bet as to when and how Blaque is forced to abandon his run for presidency?
Ill take that bet, 1mill.
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Crystal Kali
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Posted - 2006.04.27 13:25:00 -
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It is indeed an interesting and perhaps not so surprising turn of events. The increasing tensions between the Empires indicates that the Federation will require something more solid than extensive trade agreements to secure it's future.
We are left with Blaque and Foiritan. Unless we are allowed to vote a third option of none of the above, we must decide between a xenophobic facist and an ineffectual middleman. At least the citizens of the Federation have a choice, however uninspiring it may be.
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Shemar
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Posted - 2006.04.27 13:41:00 -
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Originally by: Tharrn
Considering how long the election has been going he is probably just retiring due to old age.
Haha! Funny. You should tell that joke to your emperor! Oh wait...
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Shemar
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Posted - 2006.04.27 13:43:00 -
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Originally by: Bruno Bonner
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Now, anyone feel like placing a bet as to when and how Blaque is forced to abandon his run for presidency?
Ill take that bet, 1mill.
I'll up the ante to 100 mil. What do you say Josh?
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Fushen Asagiri
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Posted - 2006.04.27 14:41:00 -
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The simple fact of the democracy is that we *do* have the power to at least make that much of a decision. The Jin Mei have only recently become truly active in this process and we welcomed the change from our own, more fuedal system of governance. I, for one, will be doing my part to encourage people to vote Foiritan, even if it is disappointing to see Autrech go.
With recent developments between the Federation and the Republic, I would rather take a man who is skilled in over-delegating rather than someone who would see our borders closed to the outside galaxy.
To those outside the Federation who chose to rain your criticisms down on us: We have a choice and a say in the course of our government. It is through involvement that we gain the right and ability to encourage change and have open discourse about our regions of space. Those who simply pass off the responcibility of governance as "Someone else's job" or "not my problem" by relying on a governing body wholy disconnected from the populace does not foster freedom nor personal growth. It is through the personal growth of every individual that a nation achieves greatness.
I do not fear persecution for my views as my ancestors once did. I feel the need to improve myself so that I may help my fellow man improve themselves, be they Gallente, Minmatar, Amarrian or Caldari. I have the right to chose my own course, something we Capsuleers all too often take for granted.
So, once more, to my fellow Gallente, do what is needed, Foiritan needs our support. Let us keep Gallente a place of freedom and open arms, not a place of close mindedness and strategic arms.
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Beringe
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Posted - 2006.04.27 14:50:00 -
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Is this what the Federation has been reduced to? A two-party system? Or maybe just a two-candidate system?
I don't know how many people can honestly say they think that the choice between Foiritan and Blaque is a choice at all. Surely, it would take a major epiphany of a supporter of either candidate to switch their loyalties, since there is no longer any middle ground.
Then again, perhaps it could be said that Foiritan was always the middle ground between Autrech and Blaque.
Not that any of this is going to matter if the election isn't held soon. Perhaps Autrech had the right of it, and is already planning for the upcoming storm. The Federation could easily tear itself apart if it cannot get a new goverment up and running.
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2006.04.27 15:04:00 -
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Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 27/04/2006 15:05:55
Originally by: Bruno Bonner
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Now, anyone feel like placing a bet as to when and how Blaque is forced to abandon his run for presidency?
Ill take that bet, 1mill.
regards
Bruno
You forgot to point out when and how he was to drop out of the elections, for example the second week of June by assasination. The same applies to you Mr. Shemar.
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Shemar
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Posted - 2006.04.27 15:06:00 -
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While I do not disagree with some of the sentiments expressed above, I still have to point out that two candidates are still two more than what some of the other nations have.
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Shemar
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Posted - 2006.04.27 15:10:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
You forgot to point out when and how he was to drop out of the elections, for example the second week of June by assasination. The same applies to you Mr. Shemar.
Oh I am giving all the options to you Mr. Foiritain. I bet he will still be there election time. Otherwise you win. Are we on?
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2006.04.27 15:12:00 -
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Originally by: Shemar
While I do not disagree with some of the sentiments expressed above, I still have to point out that two candidates are still two more than what some of the other nations have.
... and still we are several candidates short, the overall selection of candidates was limited, with one dropping out we have only one left;
1: Fascist Dictator with racist tendencies who will most likely attempt to conquer the Caldari state.
2: Fascist Dictator slash Backstabber slash Traitor who will most likely attempt to fill his bank account with tax money.
Assuming of course thereĘs actually two candidates left by the time people can actually start voting.
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Shemar
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Posted - 2006.04.27 15:14:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
1: Fascist Dictator with racist tendencies who will most likely attempt to conquer the Caldari state.
Didn't you spend a lot of time and energy supporting this guy? 
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2006.04.27 15:20:00 -
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Where did I state I stopped doing so? All I said was the choices in the elections have become limited, whatĘs the point in voting if the end result cannot be affected?
While I no longer actively support any candidates I do believe has been and will be the best choice in this election, the choice however is limitedą
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Cinnander
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Posted - 2006.04.27 15:40:00 -
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Originally by: "OP"
It strikes me as odd that a man who has risen up through the ranks of the Federal bureaucracy is now blaming difficulties within the electoral process for his withdrawal.
Personally, I think there is a decidedly shady side to this which is making the issue somewhat more opaque than normal. That, or it's just been hidden in plain sight, again.
The delays to the election process thus far are unnatural to the extreme. Democracy is something the Gallente People do well; I should think something very antipodal is afoot inside the system which could bring the process to such a standstill for such a period of time.
I agree on the investigation - however, when will it end? Will the elections be postponsed indefinately while this course of action is persued?
I also would like to know just exactly what is going on. My personal suspicions nature led me to make a few enquiries, and from the lack of information being disseminated from (and into) the circles I have contact with, I would not be surprised if organised crime were involved on some scale, or as at least covering the facts on someone's behalf. Of course, not to say that's all there is to this though, just it wouldn't surprise me. |
Jernau Gurgeh
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Posted - 2006.04.27 15:44:00 -
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It's not who votes that counts, but rather who counts the votes...
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GoGo Yubari
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Posted - 2006.04.27 15:48:00 -
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Vote correct, vote Intaki.
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Yilan Cheran
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Posted - 2006.04.27 16:25:00 -
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Originally by: Bruno Bonner
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Now, anyone feel like placing a bet as to when and how Blaque is forced to abandon his run for presidency?
Ill take that bet, 1mill.
regards
Bruno
I'll join the fun too then. And add another small bet on Blaque not only not abandoning his run, but actually following through and winning this election. Heavens know the Federation needs a man like him!
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Jalia Kovac
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Posted - 2006.04.27 17:12:00 -
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Personally, I'd put my money on a Blaque coup d'etat attempt before we even get to an election...
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.04.27 18:00:00 -
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LOL @ Gallentean circus politics.
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.04.27 18:04:00 -
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Well, I saw this coming like a slaver hound barreling down a hall towards an escaping slave...
Then again, I also predicted the end of the elections coming about eight months ago, among other things, so maybe the law of averages is just saying that sooner or later, I'm going to get SOMETHING right...
Anyway. All I can really say is that, expected or otherwise, I don't like implications of this.
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Bruno Bonner
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Posted - 2006.04.27 19:46:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
You forgot to point out when and how he was to drop out of the elections, for example the second week of June by assasination. The same applies to you Mr. Shemar.
The first week of July, his ship/shuttle/office/whatever sabotaged by a unknown faction, albeit he survived, he will blame The Syndicate.
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Bruno
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Slyke Giaja
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Posted - 2006.04.27 22:01:00 -
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Originally by: Fushen Asagiri
The Jin Mei have only recently become truly active in this process and we welcomed the change from our own, more fuedal system of governance.
Disappointing to see already, a Jin-Mei has forgotten where he came from, perhaps paralyzed by the bright lights, cheap *****s and the fad of democracy the Federation is famous for.
The sacred war on our planet does not mean any change, we fight for what who believe in to lead our population. The prefectures are still led by the Sang Do.
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Fushen Asagiri
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Posted - 2006.04.27 23:10:00 -
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I am sorry, I must have been mis-reading, because I believe you just accused me of following a fad... a fad that many Sang Do opted to enter into. The war between the leaders is not a matter that should be discussed on the galactic forums, as it is a matter of our people, on our home world of Lirsoutton III. I got my start flying as a fighter pilot in our great and noble air navy, and I will not have my nationalism questioned because I feel it is wise that we joined the greater Gallente federation.
The Sang Do are capable leaders, and I believe many, if not all, will continue to support them in that role. They simply have more accountability being shone upon them. This can only be good for our people and it disappoints me that you would trvialize this opportunity to advance our kind as a "Fad".
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Slyke Giaja
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Posted - 2006.04.27 23:27:00 -
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Originally by: Fushen Asagiri
I am sorry, I must have been mis-reading, because I believe you just accused me of following a fad... a fad that many Sang Do opted to enter into.
The Sang Do are what they are, because they are leaders of the feudal system. It is this fad that has brought war and discord to our people as the Sang Do Ilsum Kety predicted.
Our geographical location does not change how we are governed, indeed our homes in the Lirsautton system still governed by the Sang Do. Our presence in the Senate only changes things abroad.
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Kaleigh Doyle
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Posted - 2006.04.27 23:32:00 -
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Ironic enough now that he's withdrawn from the race I feel compelled to vote for him.
By withdrawing from this debacle of an election he's proven he really has the best interests of the nation at heart. His foresight has realized any continuation only serves to hinder the morale of the people and whichever candidate wins is most likely to endure the utmost scrutiny from the media.
*grins*
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Hon Kovell
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Posted - 2006.04.28 01:16:00 -
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Originally by: Crystal Kali
We are left with Blaque and Foiritan. Unless we are allowed to vote a third option of none of the above, we must decide between a xenophobic facist and an ineffectual middleman.
My vote is definitely with the ineffectual middleman. Ineffectual middlemen don't try to send us into pointless wars to sate their misguided zealotries.
Someone with vision who believes in the Federation's ideals, someone who will bring peace and prosperity for us all, is someone I would strongly support. Failing that, as it seems we have, the candidate who won't crush us with violence and bigotry is clearly the best choice.
As the esteemed Jalia Kovac suggests, I pledge my support for Souro Foiritan.
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Eris Davion
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Posted - 2006.04.28 03:27:00 -
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Originally by: Edward Sarum
Originally by: Elrianmk2
And for that minor grace we are truely grateful. Ammar have no place in the federation unless they are willing to set aside thier campiegn of terror, abduction and slavery. Those who do however choose to live as equals understanding the glorious freedoms to choose others religion and cultural backgrounds are indeed welcome.
And Gallante have no place within the Empire unless they abandon their perversions and accept the will of God in their lives. So before you tell others you are glad they are not involved, butt out of their affairs..
Er... how exactly is saying "don't come here unless you are willing to live as we do" butting into the affairs of others?
Sure, he's being somewhat hypocritical when he claims you must give up core tenets of your religion to live in a society that allows freedom of religion. But it's not like he's going into Amarr space, kidnapping your people and indoctrinating them to accept Gallente doctrines...
But this brings up another point (one that's a bit off topic, I guess...) why are my people so 'blessed' that you make a special effort to drag them into your Empire in chains? We don't want your god; by your words, you should be kicking us out of the Empire, not keeping us there...
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Crystal Kali
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Posted - 2006.04.28 08:04:00 -
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Originally by: Slyke Giaja
The Sang Do are what they are, because they are leaders of the feudal system. It is this fad that has brought war and discord to our people as the Sang Do Ilsum Kety predicted.
Our geographical location does not change how we are governed, indeed our homes in the Lirsautton system still governed by the Sang Do. Our presence in the Senate only changes things abroad.
If this is what you believe so much for our people, then I hope you will wake up before the inexorable landslide of realisation smothers you. The Sang Do at home treat us as prisoners in a gilded cage. The Federation lifts us up and gives us the freedom to make our own choices and forge our own paths. More and more of us are choosing our own destinies and fates.
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Cinnander
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Posted - 2006.04.28 10:17:00 -
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Edited by: Cinnander on 28/04/2006 10:18:35
Edit for typo
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The Federation lifts us up and gives us the freedom to make our own choices and forge our own paths. More and more of us are choosing our own destinies and fates.
Lest I get the angry mob after me, I'll keep this brief:
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Elrianmk2
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Posted - 2006.04.28 11:15:00 -
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Originally by: Edward Sarum
Originally by: Elrianmk2
And for that minor grace we are truely grateful. Ammar have no place in the federation unless they are willing to set aside thier campiegn of terror, abduction and slavery. Those who do however choose to live as equals understanding the glorious freedoms to choose others religion and cultural backgrounds are indeed welcome.
And Gallante have no place within the Empire unless they abandon their perversions and accept the will of God in their lives. So before you tell others you are glad they are not involved, butt out of their affairs..
Butt out of thier affairs? I am so sorry i must be mistaken, surely the place that i am speaking of is Gallante elections? which an Amarr is commenting on? Ahh yes its only your misguided comprehension that causes you to think you should dictate other peoples lives?
By all means come to our space and preach your religeon, i have no issue with that, but if you forcibly take a slave from our people, well then blood will flow. Stay the hell out of our politics Amarr, this has nothing to do with your zealotry.
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Slyke Giaja
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Posted - 2006.04.28 11:20:00 -
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Originally by: Crystal Kali
If this is what you believe so much for our people, then I hope you will wake up before the inexorable landslide of realisation smothers you. The Sang Do at home treat us as prisoners in a gilded cage. The Federation lifts us up and gives us the freedom to make our own choices and forge our own paths. More and more of us are choosing our own destinies and fates.
Truly, it is traitorous wretches like yourself, and the Federal Administrators who have brought conflict to our home.
Slyke Giaja shakes his head sadly
I pray so that my Celestial Lord releases me from this duty and sends me home. Watching this, is an insight to hell and I must almost alone bear witness to the corruption of our few people emerging in this new frontier, overwhelmed by their newfound, insatiable materialistic desires.
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Crystal Kali
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Posted - 2006.04.28 12:04:00 -
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Originally by: Slyke Giaja
Truly, it is traitorous wretches like yourself, and the Federal Administrators who have brought conflict to our home.
Slyke Giaja shakes his head sadly
I pray so that my Celestial Lord releases me from this duty and sends me home. Watching this, is an insight to hell and I must almost alone bear witness to the corruption of our few people emerging in this new frontier, overwhelmed by their newfound, insatiable materialistic desires.
Then go. Leave, in your blindness and unwillingness to see the truth. There was always conflict. The Sang Do have warred for thousands of years and it has been the people who have suffered as their Lords proclaim their vitrue whilst filling their coffers. Their greed is insatiable and now they look to the stars and the Federation to acquire more power.
Newfound materialistic desires? But the Sang Do have the most opulant palaces with hundreds of concubines, the finest wines and foods from across the system already. There is nothing 'newfound' about the contempt they show towards those below them.
My true duty is to elevate my people, and repay my debt to the Federation, not be a pawn of the 'Lords' any more.
But enough of this. We are derailing the conversation about Mr Autrech's withdrawal. I might remind you that as a citizen of the Federation, you too have a vote and the outcome will affect you whether you like it or not.
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