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Nikolai Nuvolari	Posted - 2006.04.28 00:48:00 - [31] Define "sane", as in "semi-sane". -------- Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk [04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw [07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
Xori Ruscuv	Posted - 2006.04.28 01:00:00 - [32] Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari Define "sane", as in "semi-sane". null Or "in-sane", which is what those are. Gotcha! I bet that got ya all hot under the collar, didn't it?
Xori Ruscuv	Posted - 2006.04.28 01:01:00 - [33] Originally by: Idara Read the OP, Shield-tanked missile spamming Amarr Tier 3? Yeah ***** right. If CCP does that they'll ** off a LOT of Amarrians. Yes indeedy! Gotcha! I bet that got ya all hot under the collar, didn't it?
Polydectes	Posted - 2006.04.28 01:04:00 - [34] Originally by: Xori Ruscuv Originally by: Polydectes Take a look at the concept for the amarr ship, if you look close it has 8 turret hard points, so if its going to be anything like the concept, it wont be a drone boat, it will be a damage dealer. Concept art is JUST concept art. Nothing more, nothing less. They ALL have 8 turrets at this point. I'll bet you that CCP doesn't even know what the new ships will be (aside from very general concepts, such as "Caldari will get a rail boat"). That's why is said IF its going to be anything like the concept art ------------------------------------------------- Violence is Golden
Nyxus	Posted - 2006.04.28 01:19:00 - [35] Originally by: Polydectes Take a look at the concept for the amarr ship, if you look close it has 8 turret hard points, so if its going to be anything like the concept, it wont be a drone boat, it will be a damage dealer. The Curse has a lot of highslots. It's still a damage dealer, but only a fool would put turrets on it. The Amarr have a T1 & T2 droneboat. We have a T1 missile specialist. We have (technically) a couple of shieldtanking ships. So realistically any of those would fit within lore. Amarr BS - Holocaust The Holocaust is another example of how the Amarr Imperial Navy has modeled their design to counter specific tactics employed by the other empires. The Holocaust is a fairly standard Amarr ship in most respects, having good offences and lacking mobility. It is more Caldari-like than most Amarr ships, however, since its arsenal mostly consists of missile bays. + 10% bonus to EM missile damage and 5% bonus to Explosive, Kinetic and Thermal missile damage per level. (7 missile, 1 turret)(a la Inquisitor) + 10 drone damage and drone hp per lvl (a la Curse/Pilgrim) Possibly make it a shieldtanker. If you need a third bonus give it a +5% resists per lvl like a Prophecy, Maller or shield resists if it's a shield tanker. Come on CCP. Give the Amarr players a real reason to train up the T2 large Drones and T2 large missiles. It's a good timesink, it's different, and it would be FUN to have these in a fleet with some Geddons. My alternative opinion was that it would be a nos ship. But large nos with 100+ KM range and +40% to amount was so staggerly overpowered (especially versus capital ships) that I couldnt in all honesty support that suggestion, although the shades of a thousand dead Amarrians cried out for just that suggestion. Nyxus Macgyver can build an airplane out of gum and paper clips, but Chuck Norris can kill him and take it.
Nikolai Nuvolari	Posted - 2006.04.28 01:35:00 - [36] Originally by: Nyxus Amarr BS - Holocaust If you think they're going to name it "Holocaust", you're really, really oblivious to the world around you. There are a lot of connotations of people convulsing as they inhale prussic acid and burning in ovens. -------- Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk [04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw [07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
Kayl Breinhar	Posted - 2006.04.28 01:57:00 - [37] A better name would be the Archangel, the bringers of salvation, keeping with religious nomenclature. That or the Dominion - the Angels of Leadership in the choir of angels. See what the hell I'm talking about here. Too bad Archangel is already the formal name of the Angel Cartel.
Berrik Radhok	Posted - 2006.04.28 02:06:00 - [38] I don't see why people think a drone boat for the Amarr is unlikely. It follows the progression of Crucifier - > Arbitrator. img86.imageshack.us/img86/5540/7ef8aedocevil3ht.jpg[/img] Sig removed lacks Eve-related content - Cortes
Insomnium	Posted - 2006.04.28 02:48:00 - [39] Edited by: Insomnium on 28/04/2006 02:49:02 Originally by: Vishnej Minmatar - Propulsion Specialist 6H/5M/8L 5M/3T/200DB +20% to missile velocity +10% to stasis webber range -7.5% to mass What in the hell are you smoking?!?!? I admit it's a damn innovative idea but itWILL NOT WORK. First off, what the hell kind of battleship would be a propulsion specialist? I know you mean well but whats the point with fitting a BS full of webbifiers. Totally defeats the purpose of the idea of a battle platform? + There are plenty of ships well suited for the role of a "Propulsion Specialist" and if you were ever in the position where you were all alone amidst a tide of oncoming frigates, then shame on you. Normally a BS would be taken to battle against large foes, with which it would perform optimistically. As opposed to fighting masses of frigates. By the time any ship gets in range of being webbified, 1. they'll sure as hell be out of the range of your artillery (provided you had them on.) and 2. these frigates are so damn small even with webbification, you're still not in the best position to hit them (Although with the right use of modules a hit could be attainable. and when they do get into that range, your turrets will feel kind of gimped without any dmg bonuses. However shown that you do intend to give missile velocity a bonus, they wouldn't have too much of a problem of hitting those smaller ships, but I don't think we need another potential raven out there. Just my opinion. Which then leads to my second point. 5 Med slots compared to 8 low?!? This sure is leading to an armor tanking ship. If it's going to be a propulsion ships I think medium slots would be a lot more appropriate seeing as how most of the propulsion mods are fitted there... and armor tanking (if you intend on tanking on the ship) would be terribly flawed. First off a good tank would actually add mass to the ship thus reducing it's entire "propultion aspect" and in order to maintain that tank you'll also have to sacrifice some med slots to keep that capacitor going. (Yeah I know fit nos... which doesnt really leave you with all that many hislots... 6 slots? 2nos? 4... launchers... this is a missile boat right? = Death) AND WITH THOSE SACRIFICED MED SLOTS WHERE WILL ALL THE PROPULSION MODS GO?!?!?!? even if you don't tank, having very few self defence capabilities and only the ability to shoot missiles at the enemy, which for the record WOULD BE BEST USED FROM AFAR, this ship wouldn't be that great of a hit. Even in Minmatar standards, it would be deemed "crap". And as an added bonus, we get to go faster than other battleships! Huzzah!!!! oh wait... but we're still so God damn big they'll hit us anyways. So stop banging on the damn hull with the nerf bat and just wait for the new BS to come out. I know it's only a concept but I was rather outraged by the proposal... sorry so I don't mean to be a complete arse.
Polydectes	Posted - 2006.04.28 02:55:00 - [40] Originally by: Nyxus Amarr BS - Holocaust The Holocaust is another example of how the Amarr Imperial Navy has modeled their design to counter specific tactics employed by the other empires. The Holocaust is a fairly standard Amarr ship in most respects, having good offences and lacking mobility. It is more Caldari-like than most Amarr ships, however, since its arsenal mostly consists of missile bays. Nyxus Well that sounds pretty fun to fly, nice for a change. With missile and drone bonus, it looks like it will be a tough ship to fight against, as it will be useless to try and jam, and probably tank like a champ. As much fun as a geddon is to fly in, as soon as someone turns on a microwave the interference jams my sensors :S Anyways, do you have a link for this? ------------------------------------------------- Violence is Golden
Nyxus	Posted - 2006.04.28 03:17:00 - [41] Edited by: Nyxus on 28/04/2006 03:17:16 Originally by: Nyxus Amarr BS - Holocaust The Holocaust is another example of how the Amarr Imperial Navy has modeled their design to counter specific tactics employed by the other empires. The Holocaust is a fairly standard Amarr ship in most respects, having good offences and lacking mobility. It is more Caldari-like than most Amarr ships, however, since its arsenal mostly consists of missile bays. + 10% bonus to EM missile damage and 5% bonus to Explosive, Kinetic and Thermal missile damage per level. (7 missile, 1 turret)(a la Inquisitor) + 10 drone damage and drone hp per lvl (a la Curse/Pilgrim) No link, it's just my idea. I tried to find something that was true to lore, yet interesting and different for an Amarr ship. The description is an almost word for word copy of the description for the Amarr frigate Inquisitor. The bonuses are based off current Amarrian ships of the line. Nik - Sure it could be named the Catastrophe or something similar. The other Amarrian BS are named after words for "the end of the world". Holocaust certainly fits. I personally prefer to leave real life in the real world and Eve in "just pretend" land myself. The inability to differentiate between the two indicates a personality disorder and as such should be treated by a professional. I think a drone/missile boat would be hella fun and fit in among the new design philosophies of the Empire. Nyxus Macgyver can build an airplane out of gum and paper clips, but Chuck Norris can kill him and take it.
Nikolai Nuvolari	Posted - 2006.04.28 03:20:00 - [42] Originally by: Nyxus Nik - Sure it could be named the Catastrophe or something similar. The other Amarrian BS are named after words for "the end of the world". Holocaust certainly fits. I personally prefer to leave real life in the real world and Eve in "just pretend" land myself. The inability to differentiate between the two indicates a personality disorder and as such should be treated by a professional. I'm not saying Holocaust wouldn't fit. I'm just saying that it's extremely unlikely because sooner or later (probably sooner) somebody's going to freak out, and then a bunch of people will jump on the bandwagon, and then the accusations will fly... It would get ugly. It's not about EVE, it's about CCP. -------- Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk [04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw [07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
babylonstew	Posted - 2006.04.28 04:05:00 - [43] to the OP, if you think id go within ten systems of flying that #pos caldari ship you have come up with your badly mistaken caldari rail ships get 10% per lvl to optimal, turtret rof dont sound too bad, except it will prolly be overpowered with a range bonus on top. and -5% missile sig radius, WTF , last i checked, bs were supposed to be anti bs, why we need sig reduction on bs sized missiles sorry, but that has to be one of the worst sets of slots and bomi i have yet seen for a battleship.
Dollas	Posted - 2006.04.28 04:52:00 - [44] Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari Originally by: Nyxus Amarr BS - Holocaust If you think they're going to name it "Holocaust", you're really, really oblivious to the world around you. There are a lot of connotations of people convulsing as they inhale prussic acid and burning in ovens. Do you happen to be Maya Rkells alt, or even his twin?
Nikolai Nuvolari	Posted - 2006.04.28 05:20:00 - [45] Originally by: Dollas Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari Originally by: Nyxus Amarr BS - Holocaust If you think they're going to name it "Holocaust", you're really, really oblivious to the world around you. There are a lot of connotations of people convulsing as they inhale prussic acid and burning in ovens. Do you happen to be Maya Rkells alt, or even his twin? Well technically EVERYBODY is just an alt of Chuck Norris... But other than that, no. Why do you ask? -------- Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk [04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw [07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
Talthrus	Posted - 2006.04.28 05:42:00 - [46] Shield tanking ... missile spamming ... drone carrying Amarr battleship. What? Amarr are nearly all about high damage lasers. I'd love to see an Amarr BS dedicated to damage (as in damage bonuses rather than cap bonuses). Whether or not that'd be overpowered is the question. ----------------------
Nikolai Nuvolari	Posted - 2006.04.28 05:50:00 - [47] Originally by: Talthrus Amarr are nearly all about high damage lasers. I'd love to see an Amarr BS dedicated to damage (as in damage bonuses rather than cap bonuses). Whether or not that'd be overpowered is the question. Maybe an RoF bonus (more cap use) and damage bonus, with as small cap, so it can have very high DPS for a short period of time, and then its cap dies. -------- Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk [04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw [07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
B0rn2KiLL	Posted - 2006.04.28 06:21:00 - [48] Originally by: Vishnej Caldari - General use sniper 8H 8M 3L 6T/4M/75DB +5% to optimal +5% to turret RoF -5% to missile explosion radius 6T ? hell no. 7T minimom. tbh i want 8T, and hope devs go wild and give us 9T intresting post tho, i like, just need to tweak abit :) --- new sig, Hijack it and ill eat u. *Imaran hands B0rn2KiLL a fork - Come get some!11
Amarria Lightwielder	Posted - 2006.04.28 06:26:00 - [49] Originally by: Vishnej Amarr - Cap + shield tanking specialist, missile user Yea that's like only the excact opposite of where amarr users place all their SP. If that happened I would prolly have to kill someone NAGA ShopÖ
Eximius Josari	Posted - 2006.04.28 07:33:00 - [50] Originally by: Dollas Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari Originally by: Nyxus Amarr BS - Holocaust If you think they're going to name it "Holocaust", you're really, really oblivious to the world around you. There are a lot of connotations of people convulsing as they inhale prussic acid and burning in ovens. Do you happen to be Maya Rkells alt, or even his twin? No he isn't, unlike Rkell, he actually backs up what he says. Sov 2.1 T3 BS
keepiru	Posted - 2006.04.28 07:35:00 - [51] Shield-tanking. Amarr. Missile ship. Can I have some of whatever it is youre smoking/sniffing? It sounds like some reeeaaallyy funky stuff... ---------------- Official ISD cake & bree reserve thief. Barricades a speciality! Last stands on request.
Adelai Niska	Posted - 2006.04.28 09:08:00 - [52] I hear if you lick Vish, his creative juices get you high.
Vishnej	Posted - 2006.04.28 09:17:00 - [53] Edited by: Vishnej on 28/04/2006 09:25:35 Edited by: Vishnej on 28/04/2006 09:21:51 Edited by: Vishnej on 28/04/2006 09:20:50 Edited by: Vishnej on 28/04/2006 09:18:30 You just can't have a bigger, badder BS in the same roles as before. It doesn't work, it removes non-financial reasons to fly the tier 1/2 ship. BS have a good amount of diversity right now. You need to get a little crazy with the roles or you end up with the same bloody ship with a new name and model. I don't see why we should add another ship in the same role if you can't tell the difference in combat between flying the first two. Amarr are the most boring racial BS specialization right now. Amarr players - all the other races use two branches: gall use blasters and drones, caldari use rails and missiles, minmatar use projectiles and missiles. There's a limitation as to how you can configure the same guns. Having a decent combination of a suckrilege and a Raven sounded interesting to me. So does Nikolai's idea about a high RoF, low cap build. Good points on Minmatar though, back to drawing boards. Born2kill: 7 slots and it's higher DPS than the mega. The RoF bonus balances it out with 6. Contribute to the Eve Wiki
Astrum Ludus	Posted - 2006.04.28 09:24:00 - [54] I thought this was a joke at first! An Amarr BS spec'ing missiles and shields = no 3rd Amarr BS It would be a total waste of time, lets face it if you had the shield skills and missile skills you'd take a Raven, unless the Amarr ship was better than a Raven which would be a whole different flavour of wrong.
Electric Cucumber	Posted - 2006.04.28 09:35:00 - [55] Edited by: Electric Cucumber on 28/04/2006 09:35:27 Originally by: Vishnej Edited by: Vishnej on 27/04/2006 22:12:35 Edited by: Vishnej on 27/04/2006 22:07:17 Originally by: Electric Cucumber Quote: Amarr - Cap + shield tanking specialist, missile user Please, no. Is it so hard to concieve of a ship whose tank is difficult to break? Amarr do not shield tank or specialise in missiles. Or make it a Khanid ship with more missile slots than the Apocalypse but still Khanid don't shield tank! plus they are always tech 2.

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