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Vishnej
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Posted - 2006.04.27 21:37:00 -
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Edited by: Vishnej on 27/04/2006 21:39:34
More importantly, interesting + original ideas. Roling the tier 3 BS is a difficult job, because the ones already here are very well balanced at this point.
All other stats assumed the same, and 3 bonuses per ship, because combinations are fun:
Amarr - Cap + shield tanking specialist, missile user
7H 6M 6L
3T/6M/100DB
+15% to shield hp
+10% to capacitor
+10% to nos/neut range
Caldari - General use sniper
8H 8M 3L
6T/4M/75DB
+5% to optimal
+5% to turret RoF
-5% to missile explosion radius
Gallente - Sensor specialist
6H 7M 6L
5T/2M/300DB
+15% to scan resolution
+10% to sensor damper falloff
-10% to L hybrid signature resolution
Minmatar - Propulsion Specialist
6H/5M/8L
5M/3T/200DB
+20% to missile velocity
+10% to stasis webber range
-7.5% to mass
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Agent2 Holtze
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Posted - 2006.04.27 21:44:00 -
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No enough with the Amarr being shield users i wouldn't make any sence 
Missile user 
I think it's gonna be a drone ship, it would make alot more sence.
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Bob Niac
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Posted - 2006.04.27 21:47:00 -
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 Originally by: Agent2 Holtze
I think it's gonna be a drone ship, it would make alot more sence.
before i lol you ... plese elaborate your logic (there is ONE amaar drone boat ...a cruiser. i just dont see it)
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CptEagle
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Posted - 2006.04.27 21:50:00 -
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Like this much better then the other guys ideas. However I wouldn't give the Amarrians the missile ship, generally I never hear them say much good things about missiles on their ships. Or shield tanking for that matter...
Dunno about the caldari one, but it seems to pwn the Megathron. I'm told a RoF bonus is better then a damage bonus.
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Eximius Josari
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Posted - 2006.04.27 21:53:00 -
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Barely even Semi-Sane.
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Agent2 Holtze
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Posted - 2006.04.27 21:55:00 -
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Originally by: Bob Niac
Originally by: Agent2 Holtze
I think it's gonna be a drone ship, it would make alot more sence.
before i lol you ... plese elaborate your logic (there is ONE amaar drone boat ...a cruiser. i just dont see it)
as you said, there is ONE amarr drone cruiser TI / TII, how many amarr missil boat are you looking at + how many shield tanking amarr boats do you know of ? Besides that TI/TII frig.
So please yeah just lol me.
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Electric Cucumber
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Posted - 2006.04.27 21:55:00 -
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Quote:
Amarr - Cap + shield tanking specialist, missile user
Please, no.
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Vishnej
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Posted - 2006.04.27 21:59:00 -
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Edited by: Vishnej on 27/04/2006 22:03:10
Edited by: Vishnej on 27/04/2006 22:01:34
Edited by: Vishnej on 27/04/2006 21:59:18
Originally by: Electric Cucumber
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Amarr - Cap + shield tanking specialist, missile user
Please, no.
Is it so hard to concieve of a ship whose tank is difficult to break? Has the imbalance between damage and tanking become that ingrained in the culture?
The alternatives include copying the Raven, copying the apocageddon, making a way overpowered tracking disruptor ship...
CPTEagle: We're getting bored with lasers, as all the other races have diverse BS roles, we have slightly more damage laser BS vs slightly better all around laser BS.
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Bob Niac
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Posted - 2006.04.27 22:03:00 -
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/me sighs
Its called continuity (SP?).
For something to exist in EVE it is either
A) Ground Breaking (New Tech)
B) "Goes with the flow"
Amaar + Drones =/= flow... so yeah i guess since this is different, but there is a Bloodline that likes missile in Amarr.. always has been... Hence the Caldari / Amarr secret alliance.
Gallente are drone guys, and so are minnie to an extent due to them being allies.
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Agent2 Holtze
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Posted - 2006.04.27 22:05:00 -
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Originally by: Bob Niac
/me sighs
Its called continuity (SP?).
For something to exist in EVE it is either
A) Ground Breaking (New Tech)
B) "Goes with the flow"
Amaar + Drones =/= flow... so yeah i guess since this is different, but there is a Bloodline that likes missile in Amarr.. always has been... Hence the Caldari / Amarr secret alliance.
Gallente are drone guys, and so are minnie to an extent due to them being allies.
well i don't think any true amarr players would wish to train up a whole different side of game mechanics, all the specs again.
I would fell screwed and would never fly the damn thing.
Some people do specialize in one race you know
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Eximius Josari
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Posted - 2006.04.27 22:07:00 -
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Originally by: Agent2 Holtze
Originally by: Bob Niac
/me sighs
Its called continuity (SP?).
For something to exist in EVE it is either
A) Ground Breaking (New Tech)
B) "Goes with the flow"
Amaar + Drones =/= flow... so yeah i guess since this is different, but there is a Bloodline that likes missile in Amarr.. always has been... Hence the Caldari / Amarr secret alliance.
Gallente are drone guys, and so are minnie to an extent due to them being allies.
well i don't think any true amarr players would wish to train up a whole different side of game mechanics, all the specs again.
I would fell screwed and would never fly the damn thing.
Some people do specialize in one race you know
Your sig would argue otherwise. 
But yeah, I don't see why a tech 1 Amarr ship would stray too far from the War Philosophy.
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LWMaverick
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Posted - 2006.04.27 22:09:00 -
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Amarr shield tanker and missile ship, got dammit no.. no .. NO!  
Gallente.. please give us a true blaster boat (mwd bonus and so on)
/Mav
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Eximius Josari
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Posted - 2006.04.27 22:10:00 -
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Originally by: LWMaverick
Gallente.. please give us a true blaster boat (mwd bonus and so on)
The Mega should have the mwd bonus rather than the tracking bonus. Blaster tracking needs to be increased.
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Agent2 Holtze
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Posted - 2006.04.27 22:10:00 -
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Edited by: Agent2 Holtze on 27/04/2006 22:10:28
Originally by: Eximius Josari
Originally by: Agent2 Holtze
Originally by: Bob Niac
/me sighs
Its called continuity (SP?).
For something to exist in EVE it is either
A) Ground Breaking (New Tech)
B) "Goes with the flow"
Amaar + Drones =/= flow... so yeah i guess since this is different, but there is a Bloodline that likes missile in Amarr.. always has been... Hence the Caldari / Amarr secret alliance.
Gallente are drone guys, and so are minnie to an extent due to them being allies.
well i don't think any true amarr players would wish to train up a whole different side of game mechanics, all the specs again.
I would fell screwed and would never fly the damn thing.
Some people do specialize in one race you know
Your sig would argue otherwise.
But yeah, I don't see why a tech 1 Amarr ship would stray too far from the War Philosophy.
All ships got a dronebay, so it would be stupid not to load it up with max damage 
And, the Curse and Pilgrim are able to fit great dual rep tanks because of their nos drain, just in the spirit of the Armor tanking amarr =).
And people who shield tank their Amarr recon is mostlikely stab users tbh
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Meeko Gloom
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Posted - 2006.04.27 22:27:00 -
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Edited by: Meeko Gloom on 27/04/2006 22:28:16
Originally by: Vishnej
Edited by: Vishnej on 27/04/2006 21:39:34
More importantly, interesting + original ideas. Roling the tier 3 BS is a difficult job, because the ones already here are very well balanced at this point.
All other stats assumed the same, and 3 bonuses per ship, because combinations are fun:
Amarr - Cap + shield tanking specialist, missile user
7H 6M 6L
3T/6M/100DB
+15% to shield hp
+10% to capacitor
+10% to nos/neut range
Caldari - General use sniper
8H 8M 3L
6T/4M/75DB
+5% to optimal
+5% to turret RoF
-5% to missile explosion radius
Gallente - Sensor specialist
6H 7M 6L
5T/2M/300DB
+15% to scan resolution
+10% to sensor damper falloff
-10% to L hybrid signature resolution
Minmatar - Propulsion Specialist
6H/5M/8L
5M/3T/200DB
+20% to missile velocity
+10% to stasis webber range
-7.5% to mass
OMG where should I start
All of the ships have to have the same amount of slots.
All of the tier 3 ships should have more slots than tier 2 and in some cases tier 1
There will never be an amarr shiled tanker, its not khaind
Since when does any tech one ship get three bonuses
Your Amarr BS has no kind of trend with any other amarr ship
WTF the did you get the gallente bounsus from?
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Aeaus
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Posted - 2006.04.27 22:35:00 -
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Don't want to go off-topic too much; but does anybody know the roles of the Tier III Battleships?
Thus far I heard Caldari would be Railgun Snipers, and Amarr *might* be drone users, any truth in these rumors?
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Eximius Josari
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Posted - 2006.04.27 22:37:00 -
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I live here in Vegas, but wasn't able to go.
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Agent2 Holtze
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Posted - 2006.04.27 22:37:00 -
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Originally by: Aeaus
Don't want to go off-topic too much; but does anybody know the roles of the Tier III Battleships?
Thus far I heard Caldari would be Railgun Snipers, and Amarr *might* be drone users, any truth in these rumors?
Maybe some of those who met the devs in Las vegas got some of em drunk enough to get them to tell some of it.
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Meeko Gloom
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Posted - 2006.04.27 22:41:00 -
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Originally by: Eximius Josari
I live here in Vegas, but wasn't able to go.
God you suck,
You missed a once in a life time visit
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KilROCK
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Posted - 2006.04.27 22:44:00 -
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Interesting, yes.
Original, yes.
Good, hell no.
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Eximius Josari
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Posted - 2006.04.27 22:46:00 -
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Originally by: Meeko Gloom
Originally by: Eximius Josari
I live here in Vegas, but wasn't able to go.
God you suck,
You missed a once in a life time visit
Don't remind me
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Benglada
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Posted - 2006.04.27 23:13:00 -
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If amarr end up getting a better droneboat then the domi, Im going to bloody well cry.
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Originally by: Wrangler
Unfrtinately you dnot get to vote..
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Xori Ruscuv
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Posted - 2006.04.27 23:21:00 -
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Originally by: Meeko Gloom
All of the ships have to have the same amount of slots.
No. Look at the tier 1 ships. It is the "all tier X should have the same amount of slots" that gives us the imbalance that we have in the game. All slots were not created equal.
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All of the tier 3 ships should have more slots than tier 2 and in some cases tier 1
I am under the opinion that these "tier 3" should not be "tier 3", because it is going to screw the game balance. Lets see - a Caldari rail ship with more HP, more slots, better boni than a Mega, plus a tank? Lets be realistic here, k?
BTW, Vishnej - what happened to your brain when you were thinking about the Caldari ship bonuses? Puhleeze.
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Xori Ruscuv
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Posted - 2006.04.27 23:28:00 -
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Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 27/04/2006 23:32:28
Originally by: Benglada
If amarr end up getting a better droneboat then the domi, Im going to bloody well cry.
QFT.
And if the Caldari get a better sniper than the Gallente/Amarr/Minmatar, I'm going to bloody well cry.
And if the Amarr get a better missile boat/shield tanker than the Caldari, I'm going to bloody well cry.
Etc.
Etc.
Etc.
Again, all slots were not created equal. These BS must be designed with either entirely new roles imagined for them, or a brand new mix and match of roles/features. These must not be "tier 3" BS with more slots/other goodies than the other BSes, as it will screw the balance.
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Meeko Gloom
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Posted - 2006.04.27 23:53:00 -
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Originally by: Xori Ruscuv
Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 27/04/2006 23:32:28
Originally by: Benglada
If amarr end up getting a better droneboat then the domi, Im going to bloody well cry.
QFT.
And if the Caldari get a better sniper than the Gallente/Amarr/Minmatar, I'm going to bloody well cry.
And if the Amarr get a better missile boat/shield tanker than the Caldari, I'm going to bloody well cry.
Etc.
Etc.
Etc.
Again, all slots were not created equal. These BS must be designed with either entirely new roles imagined for them, or a brand new mix and match of roles/features. These must not be "tier 3" BS with more slots/other goodies than the other BSes, as it will screw the balance.
The amarr WILL NOT get a shield tanker, so stop saying that, they are amarr not Khanid. There has never been an amarr that is suppose to shield tank.
Also the amarr will get a decent drone boat, not perfect or overpowered, dont forget 5 is the limit, but it will be stonger armor wise than the domi
sry I didnt count slots on geddon and phon, only scorp and domi and assumed it was 18
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Xori Ruscuv
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Posted - 2006.04.28 00:03:00 -
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Originally by: Meeko Gloom
The amarr WILL NOT get a shield tanker, so stop saying that, they are amarr not Khanid. There has never been an amarr that is suppose to shield tank.
That wasn't my point.
And TBH I hope they don't get a drone ship, because I've been training both Amarr and Gallente so that I could have the Domi, Apoc, and Geddon. .
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sry I didnt count slots on geddon and phon, only scorp and domi and assumed it was 18
The new BS need to have 18 or 19 slots. Maybe even 17 in special cases. I'm not going to say which I think should have 17, but if you think about it and what tier 3 BS could do to the game, I imagine you will figure it out.
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Polydectes
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Posted - 2006.04.28 00:08:00 -
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Take a look at the concept for the amarr ship, if you look close it has 8 turret hard points, so if its going to be anything like the concept, it wont be a drone boat, it will be a damage dealer.
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Kayl Breinhar
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Posted - 2006.04.28 00:32:00 -
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A Gallente ship with 6 lows and 7 highs? It'd take an hour to ***** through a shield tank, then you'd have to ***** the armor tank, and 6 lows would give you the ability to fit a Damage Control module.
You might have it pegged as a sensor ship, but to me it sounds like a Domi on 'roids.
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Xori Ruscuv
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Posted - 2006.04.28 00:34:00 -
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Originally by: Polydectes
Take a look at the concept for the amarr ship, if you look close it has 8 turret hard points, so if its going to be anything like the concept, it wont be a drone boat, it will be a damage dealer.
Concept art is JUST concept art. Nothing more, nothing less. They ALL have 8 turrets at this point.
I'll bet you that CCP doesn't even know what the new ships will be (aside from very general concepts, such as "Caldari will get a rail boat").
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Idara
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Posted - 2006.04.28 00:41:00 -
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Read the OP, Shield-tanked missile spamming Amarr Tier 3? Yeah ******* right.
If CCP does that they'll **** off a LOT of Amarrians.
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