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Ethan Tomlinson
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Posted - 2006.04.28 04:20:00 -
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This is the last time i will mention this...
DONT RUIN THIS AMAZING GAME BY CREATING A THIRD TIER OF BATTLESHIPS
the current battleships are perfectly ballanced...dont create another tier that will make tier 2 bs's obsolete. this game doesn't need a caldari rail sniper boat as much as all the idiots would love one. what difference does it make whether one can snipe from 200km in a megathron or 300km in a caldari tier 3 sniper bs? it really doesn't make much of a difference at all because pilots of both ships would have to make a really big judgement error to be locked down in either ship...its just being in a sniping bs 300km from targets gives u about 5 more seconds to see how close a tackler is before you have to warp out.
as for the gallente bs...megathron is fine dont add a pure blasterboat that would make it obsolete just change the tracking bonus to an mwd bonus if it matters that much...to me it doesn't even matter that much and thats the only bs i can fly.
amarr doesn't need a drone boat since the arma can fly plenty of heavy drones iirc(?) and i see no use for an extra minmatar boat since the tempest is great as either a sniper or close range ship....
for the love of all that is eve and holy dont add a third tier bs...it is useless content and would make current bs's obsolete and imo unbalance the game since everyone would just be flying the latest and the greatest since it would have 1 extra slot somewhere
,ET
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O'Sirius
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Posted - 2006.04.28 04:30:00 -
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I fail to see how any of the proposed tier 3 BSes you mentioned would make tier 1&2 ones obsolete.
Not like everyone is flying tier 2 BSes just because they are the top tier BS out there. What makes you think the balance is going to be so far off when a 3rd one gets added?
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Hydrian Alante
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Posted - 2006.04.28 04:34:00 -
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LOL
Nobody (maybe not even CCP) knows about the final Stats, Boni and Roles of the new Tier 3 BS.
But the whining has already begun. 
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Kel Shek
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Posted - 2006.04.28 04:35:00 -
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you don't think its possible that they have enough creativity to do something different with these, rather than just a tweaked version of the second tier's?
Amarr: uhh, no, the Apoc isn't a drone boat, and if you think being able to fit a flight of heavy drones makes it count... uhh. no. I think the concept art we've seen LOOKS like a drone ship, and would be nifty for it to be one. it'd hurry up my training of amarr BS by alot, (training Gallente BS 4 right now... can't fly any other BS's)
Minm, ... ok, I got no clue on the minm one. I have no interest in matar ships except as part of some of the faction ones.
Caldari... it looks like a railboat. they don't have a BS railboat. why not add one? whats the harm in diversity?
Gallente. I'm not sure what that one looks like it should be, but I think it could be a cool Rail/missile hybrid, like being able to go 5/3 to either side or half and half. that'd be awsome IMO.
Diversity is good! no reason not to add more options. if this was about Tech 2 Battleships, I might be more prone to agree. but I don't see why some people get so up in arms over third tier BS's.
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Idara
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Posted - 2006.04.28 04:36:00 -
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Calm down.
More content is better. 
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.04.28 04:37:00 -
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OMG TEH SKIE IZ FAILINGGG!
 Originally by: Dark Shikari
Istvaan Shogaatsu's ego, when combined with a veldspar asteroid, would create 500 titans. Too bad he's never mined.
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Nukeitall
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Posted - 2006.04.28 04:38:00 -
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ZE GAME IS RUINED WRRRRRRRRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
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Ethan Tomlinson
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Posted - 2006.04.28 04:39:00 -
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trust me kel shek i would much rather have tech 2 bs's than tier 3... I just dont think they are necessary and it seems the only reason they are being added is because people want a pure caldari rail boat because they think it thats whats necessary... it isn't!
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Ethan Tomlinson
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Posted - 2006.04.28 04:40:00 -
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ZOMGZZZZORRRSSSS ZEEE GAME ISSS ZZEEERUIIINZZZEDDDD
..damn zzzz's
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Idara
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Posted - 2006.04.28 04:40:00 -
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Originally by: Ethan Tomlinson
trust me kel shek i would much rather have tech 2 bs's than tier 3... I just dont think they are necessary and it seems the only reason they are being added is because people want a pure caldari rail boat because they think it thats whats necessary... it isn't!
Huh? Tech 2 BS's are going to be retarded almost without a doubt, Tier 3's add more depth to the game as you get more than the same BS's appearing over and over again.
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Gierling
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Posted - 2006.04.28 04:47:00 -
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I actually think this is a valid concern, however I think its very dependent on the final balancing.
A gallente Tier3 with 8 turrets, an MWD and a Falloff Bonus will be balanced and interesting. A Gallente Tier 3 with a damage bonus and 8 turrets is TOO much.
Same for all the other ships, A Caldari BS with 6 turrets and an optimal bonus is fine, 7 turrets and its too much.
An Amarr ship or a Minnie ship that can fit 8 tach II's or 8 1400II's is just plain wrong.
PRoposal to fix blobbing and make Charisma useful.
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Ethan Tomlinson
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Posted - 2006.04.28 04:49:00 -
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i think the game is great atm in that u see a very diverse crowd of ships flying around
ranging from hacs to t1 cruisers to destroyers to t1 and t2 frigs and t1 bs's...basically you see every level and tier of ship flying in gangs nowadays meaning most of the ship classes are adiquatly(sp?) ballanced. I dont think another tier of bs is necessary and that what ccp needs to do is concentrate on getting the rest of tech 2 stuff out as well as kali upgrades like the t2 manufacturing fixes and tech 2 ammo balancing done...
again the balance of ships i see in pvp nowadays is perfect... tech1 flying newer pilots can efficiently participate in pvp in tech1 ships no matter what tier they may be...
im not saying this balance will necessarily be thrown out of whack by a new tier of bs's but it certainly wont help the matter nor make things better...
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Lynne Moreland
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Posted - 2006.04.28 04:51:00 -
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If they add tier 3 battleships, they shouldn't neccessarily be better than whats currently on offer... the Caracal is tier 2, but is a better damage dealer than a Moa, the Vexor is tier 2 and since RMR is just as good as a Thorax (altho lacking PwrGrid), ok the omen isnt as good as the maller (sue me), but id go on a limb and say the Stabber is a better ship than the Rupture (at least intercepting stuff).
How they currently stack:
Amarr:
- Apoc (big tank, mid-long range, decent damage, half drones, no ewar)
- Gedd (low tank, mid-long range, big damage, full drones, no ewar)
Caldari:
- Scorp (low tank, big range, low damage, half drones, insane ewar)
- Raven (big tank, big range, big damage, half drones, some ewar)
Gallante:
- Domi (big tank, low range, big damage, insane drones, some ewar)
- Mega (low tank, long range, big damage, full drones, no ewar)
Minmatar:
- Typh (big tank, low/long range, low-decent damage, full drones, no ewar)
- Temp (medium-big tank, low/long range, big damage, half drones, some ewar)
In my opinion they should keep the battleship balance as it is whilst at the same time adding a bit of depth to their class to fill in the holes... ie a Caldari Rail Sniper/Blaster boat, A Gallante Tanking Ship with Medium Range (say a domi without the drones and a blaster only style bonus), a Minmatar Medium range Ewar type ship and an Amar Close Range Ewar.
It is a tough nut to *****, but im sure there is a way to add varioution whilst not shelving current battleships.
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Idara
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Posted - 2006.04.28 04:52:00 -
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Originally by: Gierling
An Amarr ship or a Minnie ship that can fit 8 tach II's or 8 1400II's is just plain wrong.
I'm pretty sure somewhere CCP said that the Tier 3 BS's won't have more grid/cpu than the Tier 2's, they're just going to be filling a different niche than the current Tier 2's, so that pretty much rules out a pure 8x Tach II or 8x 1400mm II sniper ship, which is a good thing.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2006.04.28 04:55:00 -
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Originally by: Gierling
An Amarr ship or a Minnie ship that can fit 8 tach II's or 8 1400II's is just plain wrong.
Considering that the tier 1 and 2 Amarr BS can mount full racks of tachyons, I don't think it would be overpowered if the tier 3 can as well.
And if the thought of eight piddly tachs upsets you, wait until you find out what they're really going to mount... >:)
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Lynne Moreland
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Posted - 2006.04.28 04:56:00 -
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Originally by: Ethan Tomlinson
i think the game is great atm in that u see a very diverse crowd of ships flying around
Well, with the exception of the Typhoon, dont really see too many of them just yet... but im sure that will change in time.
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Sepp Gaylord
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Posted - 2006.04.28 05:19:00 -
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i like threads starting like ->
Originally by: Ethan Tomlinson
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DONT RUIN THIS AMAZING GAME BY CREATING A THIRD TIER OF BATTLESHIPS
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,ET
calm down, have yourself a cup of coffee and trust in ccp ! nothing will ruin this game, its here for long, and it will be here for a long time.
*falling asleep again
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Ethan Tomlinson
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Posted - 2006.04.28 05:34:00 -
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would rather have a whiskey sour but to each his/her own... i really want to know why everybody wants a new tier bs so bad...
i am honestly thinking the caldari one is the main reason...i think people just want to be able to have a ship with an optimal bonus so they can snipe from farther with more guns... why not just use megathron...u would only get a 25% optimal bonus with a caldari ship anyways meaning like 50km extra for rails :(
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Dri Kulsane
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Posted - 2006.04.28 05:40:00 -
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Originally by: Ethan Tomlinson
i think the game is great atm in that u see a very diverse crowd of ships flying around
I'm at work so haven't checked how long you have been playing. We are in need to something new, tech II only makes us elites because of the advantages they create. Tiers make the game more interesting and allow ALL players to try it out.
Back to reading the rest of this thread now.
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babylonstew
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Posted - 2006.04.28 06:17:00 -
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Originally by: Ethan Tomlinson
would rather have a whiskey sour but to each his/her own... i really want to know why everybody wants a new tier bs so bad...
i am honestly thinking the caldari one is the main reason...i think people just want to be able to have a ship with an optimal bonus so they can snipe from farther with more guns... why not just use megathron...u would only get a 25% optimal bonus with a caldari ship anyways meaning like 50km extra for rails :(
last i checked, every caldari optimal to rails was 10% per lvl
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2006.04.28 06:18:00 -
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I believe this is a case of "The sky is falling! The sky is falling!".
Ethan, does the megathron make the dominix obsolete? No, it does a different job. The new ships will be the same, doing different jobs than the current ones.
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Wrench Head
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Posted - 2006.04.28 06:30:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur
I believe this is a case of "The sky is falling! The sky is falling!".
Ethan, does the megathron make the dominix obsolete? No, it does a different job. The new ships will be the same, doing different jobs than the current ones.
Nyphur says it perfectly. Tier 3 can add another level of fun to a fleet. I think they will be a welcome addition to EVE. |
Alliaanna Dalaii
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Posted - 2006.04.28 06:59:00 -
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Tier 3 will add more variety and content to each race, which by no means is a bad thing.
I dont know about anyone else, But I fly one race, Amarr. This is a roleplaying game... and my charachter is amarrian, so go figure.
I dont have uber amounts of Sp I just have a mere 20million Sp pretty much all in Amarr PvP fields.
"Omg if you want a railboat as caldari go fly a megathron" ??? Huh. Just because you dont have a specialised charachter doesn't mean were all in the same boat. Apart from the guys with a hell of a lot of Sp I cant see why you would train other races ships  Ive got 9.1 mill Sp in amarr gunnery and no way near finished to the point il be happy...
Tbh Id like some sort of missile boar for the amarr (3 Launcher / 4 Turret ?) , Id settle for a drone ship 
But thats just me 
Alliaanna
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.04.28 07:02:00 -
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Originally by: Ethan Tomlinson
This is the last time i will mention this...
DONT RUIN THIS AMAZING GAME BY CREATING A THIRD TIER OF BATTLESHIPS
the current battleships are perfectly ballanced...dont create another tier that will make tier 2 bs's obsolete. this game doesn't need a caldari rail sniper boat as much as all the idiots would love one. what difference does it make whether one can snipe from 200km in a megathron or 300km in a caldari tier 3 sniper bs? it really doesn't make much of a difference at all because pilots of both ships would have to make a really big judgement error to be locked down in either ship...its just being in a sniping bs 300km from targets gives u about 5 more seconds to see how close a tackler is before you have to warp out.
as for the gallente bs...megathron is fine dont add a pure blasterboat that would make it obsolete just change the tracking bonus to an mwd bonus if it matters that much...to me it doesn't even matter that much and thats the only bs i can fly.
amarr doesn't need a drone boat since the arma can fly plenty of heavy drones iirc(?) and i see no use for an extra minmatar boat since the tempest is great as either a sniper or close range ship....
for the love of all that is eve and holy dont add a third tier bs...it is useless content and would make current bs's obsolete and imo unbalance the game since everyone would just be flying the latest and the greatest since it would have 1 extra slot somewhere
,ET
Maybe you are confusing the next tier battleships with the next tech battleships or something. Tech 2 battleships will quite possibly be better than tech 1, but tier 3 wont be better than tier 2. Just different. Thats what we all hope anyway.
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2006.04.28 07:21:00 -
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Are tier 1 battleships useless because of tier 2 battleships?
No.
Will tier 3 battleships make the tier 2 ones obsolete?
No.
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Kaylon Syi
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Posted - 2006.04.28 07:25:00 -
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Originally by: Ethan Tomlinson
This is the last time i will mention this...
DONT RUIN THIS AMAZING GAME BY CREATING A THIRD TIER OF BATTLESHIPS
the current battleships are perfectly ballanced...dont create another tier that will make tier 2 bs's obsolete. this game doesn't need a caldari rail sniper boat as much as all the idiots would love one. what difference does it make whether one can snipe from 200km in a megathron or 300km in a caldari tier 3 sniper bs? it really doesn't make much of a difference at all because pilots of both ships would have to make a really big judgement error to be locked down in either ship...its just being in a sniping bs 300km from targets gives u about 5 more seconds to see how close a tackler is before you have to warp out.
as for the gallente bs...megathron is fine dont add a pure blasterboat that would make it obsolete just change the tracking bonus to an mwd bonus if it matters that much...to me it doesn't even matter that much and thats the only bs i can fly.
amarr doesn't need a drone boat since the arma can fly plenty of heavy drones iirc(?) and i see no use for an extra minmatar boat since the tempest is great as either a sniper or close range ship....
for the love of all that is eve and holy dont add a third tier bs...it is useless content and would make current bs's obsolete and imo unbalance the game since everyone would just be flying the latest and the greatest since it would have 1 extra slot somewhere
,ET
Do you have any clue about the future combat the DEVs want to make happen? Right now they are developing a system to transform the 2003 EVE Online into 2006 and beyond EVE Online. Moving forward keeps the game in perspective and combat fresh.
You just dont have all the information and this is merely a "do not change my game" post. Sorry but we all gotta let EVE become what the DEVs have in mind even if the game changes.
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Kaylon Syi
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Posted - 2006.04.28 07:33:00 -
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Originally by: Ethan Tomlinson
would rather have a whiskey sour but to each his/her own... i really want to know why everybody wants a new tier bs so bad...
How long have you been playing EVE? Cause Caldari used to have 2 Rail BSs, the Raven and the Scorpion. There were lots of posts like yours when they changed them to what they are today... and the most posts we have about the Raven for the past year and a half have been "omg nerf it because it is tooooo ublar."
Seriously now... the game is going to be fine and quite honestly I am tired of looking at the same shipd since 2003. BCs and Caps have been the best content I have seen in a while. Tier 2 was just same ol same ol with uber stats.
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Gabriel Karade
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Posted - 2006.04.28 07:34:00 -
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Tier 3 battleships are coming and your inane rantings are not going to make the slightest bit of difference to change that.
The will not ruin the game, more content keeps this game fresh.
So bring on those Tier 3's, I for one am looking forward to it.
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Car Wars
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Posted - 2006.04.28 08:16:00 -
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You gotta be the first one to want to nerf something thats not even ingame or on the test server, let alone published.
Ethan, you win the Nerf Nerd of the year price.
Come pick up your price: a brand new velator in 0.0. Comes webbed and scrambled.
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LWMaverick
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Posted - 2006.04.28 08:30:00 -
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Ruining the game, by adding a Tech 1, tier 3 battleship... Right..
Lets take caladari as an example, since you're saying they dont need one, and that it would make tier 1 and 2 "obsolote".. You got to the "...will make tier 2 bs's obsolote", but never got to an explanation why.
Tier 2 dosent make tier 1 obsolote, why should tier 3 make tier 2 obsolote?
They won't, its just another t1 ship, with another role, is that so damn hard to get?
Repeat after me: New t1 ships - > For The Win
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