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Rockbox
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Posted - 2006.04.29 05:01:00 -
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Well, im sick of these Caldari contemplating the exact layouts and purpose of their new toy. What do you suppose the Amarr tier 3 bs will be designed for? I have my eyes on the 8 guns points in the concept art 
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Foulis
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Posted - 2006.04.29 05:04:00 -
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 Originally by: Rockbox
Well, im sick of these Caldari contemplating the exact layouts and purpose of their new toy. What do you suppose the Amarr tier 3 bs will be designed for? I have my eyes on the 8 guns points in the concept art
I'm thinking.. maybe not 8 guns, but like 5-6 and nos, plus drones and TD? That may be cool, not my area really.
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Originally by: CCP Hammer
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Rockbox
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Posted - 2006.04.29 05:06:00 -
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If its a drone boat im gonna shoot myself in the foot. 
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keepiru
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Posted - 2006.04.29 05:12:00 -
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Edited by: keepiru on 29/04/2006 05:14:12
God only knows, tbh.
The prelim stats have it as a 7 turret, 1 launcher, 75m drone bay 8/4/8 ship. The concept art has 8 turrets (but could easily be modified for 7).
All-out damage and it will make the geddon obsolete = not gonna happen
Guess it could have a 5% armor resist bonus, but that would make the 'poc obsolete.
Which leaves EW (ruptors), extremely unlikely, and ranged combat. Or drones and/or missiles, if you like sniffing soothsayer.
Nos isnt very exciting for something that huge and lumbering, and why would it have 7-8 gun hardpoints. I mean, everything but capitals will be able to run away from you.
A drone ship would pwn the domi, and thats not going to happen, because the gallente pilots woudl break the forum with the rather justified whining.
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Forsch
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Posted - 2006.04.29 05:12:00 -
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What do you need another gun boat for? We already have the geddon that does damage and the apoc that tanks.
A drone boat with tracking disruptor optimal bonus would be my wish. The arbi's big brother. 
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Rockbox
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Posted - 2006.04.29 05:18:00 -
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I just dont see how drones where ever a part of the empire, sure in smaller ships like the Arbi, Curse, ect... but for ships of the line drones are not the Amarr style...
I vote a platform to mount thoes nice newly upgraded Tachys onto, so a crapload of powergrid and highslots, but a tank that dosent come too close to the Apocs, and make it slow so it will be used as a beam ship, then it wont violate the Geddons niche. Basically a make it a purpose built Tacygeddon, so my geddon can keep its Mega Pulses fit 24/7
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keepiru
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Posted - 2006.04.29 05:21:00 -
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Well, i suspect itll have a range bonus. No dmg bonus though, because it would overpower every long-range bs in game. Even 8 tachs with 50% range could very well be too much, depends on the other BS, because youll get silly range on MPulses with that, and 8 tachs on poc is already pretty strong.
Possibly the hardest to predict, this one.
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Rockbox
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Posted - 2006.04.29 05:23:00 -
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8 Tachs 10% range per level and 10% cap usage per level 4tw!
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Epsilon 1
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Posted - 2006.04.29 05:24:00 -
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I hope it will have enough pg to fit 8x tachyon mega-#%&#ing beams t2 without any rcu/pdus
Originally by: Steven Gerrard
Why do those minmatarians throw their ships together from toilet paper and junk?
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Rockbox
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Posted - 2006.04.29 05:27:00 -
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Tachys, then just gimp the low slots so it wont tank well to balance it. maybe 8H, 4M, 6L?
Then you have room for the tachys, sensor boosters, Tracking comps, damage mods and tacking enhancers. Shazzam!
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Hotice
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Posted - 2006.04.29 05:31:00 -
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I have an idea. Give tier 3 amarr battleship bonus to sentry drones.
each battleship level increase sentry drone tracking by 10% and energy turret damage by 5%.
High 6 slots: 5 turrets/3 utility
Mid 5 slots
Low 7 Slots
Give this ship around 180m/s speed and around 85km target range.
It should have enough drone bay to carry 5 sentry drones and 5 medium drones.
This setup will be pretty uniqe and fun.
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Rockbox
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Posted - 2006.04.29 05:34:00 -
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Edited by: Rockbox on 29/04/2006 05:34:45
Like I said, just isent Amarr to use a drone boat as one of its ships on the line.
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Foulis
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Posted - 2006.04.29 05:46:00 -
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Originally by: Rockbox
Edited by: Rockbox on 29/04/2006 05:34:45
Like I said, just isent Amarr to use a drone boat as one of its ships on the line.
A BS isn't neccesarilly a ship of the wall (not line, 3d space eh?) and the ammarians have 2 ships of the wall.
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Originally by: CCP Hammer
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Mr Breakfast
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Posted - 2006.04.29 05:47:00 -
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Originally by: Foulis
Originally by: Rockbox
Edited by: Rockbox on 29/04/2006 05:34:45
Like I said, just isent Amarr to use a drone boat as one of its ships on the line.
A BS isn't neccesarilly a ship of the wall (not line, 3d space eh?) and the ammarians have 2 ships of the wall.
Like CCP usually does when they introduce a ship with characteristics that usually belong to another race, the new BS could be a "counter to Gallente drone superiority" or somesuch. Nothing wrong with an Amarr drone boat as long as it still has the option to use lasers.
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Rockbox
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Posted - 2006.04.29 05:50:00 -
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To get RP here, as long as it is not Khanid there is little chance the hard headed Amarrians would construct a ship that relied on other than heavy plating and big guns to use in combat. They just arent flexible and imaginative by nature. That is the Khanid side of things, however that never turns out well either, damn crap-relidge
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keepiru
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Posted - 2006.04.29 05:55:00 -
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*shrug* who knows.
i guess, the concept art looks droneshippey, but 8 guns + drone dmg bonus? a lil' too powerful...
might as well flip coins, tbh.
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Xori Ruscuv
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Posted - 2006.04.29 05:59:00 -
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Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 29/04/2006 06:01:08
OMG people, DROP THE CONCEPT ART!
The concept art IS NOT the be-all end-all! It is a CONCEPT!
It is AT LEAST 6 months until they really have to have the real ship designs nailed down! I very much doubt THEY have refined them, let alone figured out what they are going for with all of them!
Look - they will have their artists draw concepts and the modellers make the models to be able to FIT 8 guns because that makes them more PREPARED. That is FAR better than saying "RUN WILD GUYS", and having the poor artists have to redo a significant chunk of work because all the damn guns won't fit on the model!
So - what I'm saying here is that just because every model has 8 turret points doesn't mean that there are going to be 8 turrets, 8 missiles, 8 whatever on the damn ships.
There are some disgusting rumors going around on this forum, many of which are being treated as plain fact. STOP IT!
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Rockbox
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Posted - 2006.04.29 06:03:00 -
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AHHH! However an 8 turret ship is so Amarr :P
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Gierling
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Posted - 2006.04.29 06:04:00 -
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My bet, Versa ship.
6-6-7 layout with a decent drone bay.
Possibly 7-6-6.
PRoposal to fix blobbing and make Charisma useful.
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DigitalCommunist
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Posted - 2006.04.29 06:29:00 -
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If only you knew.. ¼_¼
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.04.29 06:44:00 -
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I came up with an idea...what if it had 8 turret slots, but only enough grid for 8 dual heavy pulses? So it could have a lot of guns, but not a rack of Taychons?
Maybe even build it so that it can't even fit a rack of dual pulses without one or two RCU II's.
Then you could have a decent complement of drones (same as the Geddon) plus MAYBE some EW.
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Rockbox
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Posted - 2006.04.29 06:55:00 -
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Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
I came up with an idea...what if it had 8 turret slots, but only enough grid for 8 dual heavy pulses? So it could have a lot of guns, but not a rack of Taychons?
Maybe even build it so that it can't even fit a rack of dual pulses without one or two RCU II's.
Then you could have a decent complement of drones (same as the Geddon) plus MAYBE some EW.
WTF m8? 
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Benglada
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Posted - 2006.04.29 06:57:00 -
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Originally by: Rockbox
If its a drone boat im gonna shoot myself in the foot.
Same, because if theres a drone boat that can outdo the domi, im going to shoot myself in the foot. now.
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Unfrtinately you dnot get to vote..
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2006.04.29 07:00:00 -
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It will clearly be a giant asteroid with -99% CPU use on a Sensor Echo module to make it look like an asteroid on the overview. You'd sit in a belt mining and if anyone came along, flick on the module and you are disguised as an asteroid!
If anyone took that seriously, I'm confiscating their keyboard.
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Kornelia Shedim
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Posted - 2006.04.29 07:59:00 -
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Just so long as it doesn't try to shield tank. There's something about having huge slabs of armor that make you feel warm and cozy in your pod. ;)
But being that Caldari and Amarr appear to be allies, perhaps some EW or missile technology will be carried over. It just seems silly to me to try to make this battleship a hybrid of the Arma and Apoc, I would rather see a unique role for it. If it is EW, you could essentially say that the Amarr battleship roles are, "Gank, Tank, and Denial".
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Meridius
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Posted - 2006.04.29 08:03:00 -
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Originally by: Forsch
What do you need another gun boat for? We already have the geddon that does damage and the apoc that tanks.
A drone boat with tracking disruptor optimal bonus would be my wish. The arbi's big brother.
Yes please.
The following are logical possiblities of what it could be:
Drone Boat
Apoc is the tank, geddon is the pain so those roles are taken up
It's the only logical choice imo. EW wouldn't make sense, a missile ship wouldn't make sense, nothing would but a drone ship
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Eximius Josari
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Posted - 2006.04.29 08:21:00 -
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Abaddon
8/5/6 [6 Turrets/0 Launchers]
20000 PG and 500 CPU
10% Bonus to laser cap use and 5% to Beam Laser tracking per level.
Im not sure I like it tbh, the droneboat version is better.
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Vorkash C'thon
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Posted - 2006.04.29 09:34:00 -
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I know this isn't going to happen but i would find it rather amusing if it did.
As everyone knows each Race is dependant on two major weapon types/Playstyles and one type of Electonic warfare. I'm just using the cruisers as a example here.
Caldari
Rails
Missiles
ECM
Gallente
Blasters
Drones
Damps
Amarr
Damage
Tank
Tracking Disruptors
Minmatar
Speed/AC's
Damage/Artys (I'm just using what i see here as i don't fly Minmatar feel free to correct me)
Target Painter
Now the Caldari are the only race who have a current BS that is a Electronic Warfare ship with the Tier 3 most likely to be a their Second Bs geared towards Weapons.
Now by these reasoning i would love to see all these people who are wanting super tanked and gunned BS to log on after Kali and see their Battleships with Damping, Tracking Distruptor or Target Painting Bonuses (lol?).
I know the chances of it happening are pretty damn low i'm just pointing something out
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Kel Shek
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Posted - 2006.04.29 09:49:00 -
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well I almost entirely fly gallente atm....
but I think the concept art LOOKS like its a drone ship. and it'd make some sense... a big brother to the arbitrator/curse/pilgrim style.
a half missile, half nos, + Drone battleship could be pretty cool, I love my dominix, and wouldn't want it to be overshadowed completely... maybe make the bonuses disconnected from the "intended" weaponry... heard alot of suggestion of tracking disruptor bonus... dominix-esque drone bonus, plus tracking disruptor bonus could work. without a missile bonus I don't know if it'd be all that overpowered to use that rather than turrets on the dominix.
I think having to have both missile and drone skills could "pay off" it being a little strong having good weapon options while retaining drone strength and a wicked tank...
ok, maybe it does sound a little overpowered. maybe a weaker drone bonus instead?
bah. long distant speculation anyway, not really much point.
it should be interesting though to see how they decide to go with it.
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Muthsera
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Posted - 2006.04.29 11:10:00 -
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Originally by: DigitalCommunist
If only you knew.. ¼_¼
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hemm... Why do I have the feeling your not telling us something?
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