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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.03.20 03:39:00 -
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It was nice.
Why does Amarr have 3 laser frigates anyway? There's not much point. They're all basically the same. Would be nice to have more variety in them.
I say make the Tormentor into the logi frig and give the Inquisitor its EM missile damage bonus and launcher hardpoints back!
Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. (had this sig BEFORE Odyssey BC rebalance)
And bring back the missile Inquisitor!! |
Ashlar Vellum
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
107
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Posted - 2014.03.20 05:22:00 -
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No, no, no don't touch Tormentor. |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
2947
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Posted - 2014.03.20 06:45:00 -
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I'd vote for Punisher tbh.
Oh god. |
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
White Mountain Coalition
1172
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Posted - 2014.03.20 08:51:00 -
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Amarr should have at least one missile frig I think given how much the fighting styles have been mixed up by ccp. It would make for more complete game balance.
Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Ineluctable.
281
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Posted - 2014.03.20 09:59:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:I'd vote for Punisher tbh.
Keep your dirty hands of the Punisher! 
Amarr have 2 Missile frigates, Vengeance and Malediction. Use them. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space
The ROC
3225
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Posted - 2014.03.20 10:12:00 -
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Rivr Luzade wrote:Riot Girl wrote:I'd vote for Punisher tbh. Keep your dirty hands of the Punisher! Amarr have 2 Missile frigates, Vengeance and Malediction. Use them.
Idk, even Minmatar has the Breacher.
Rise just felt it necessary for us to have all lasers and no options.
Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Seliah
0mega.
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Posted - 2014.03.20 10:12:00 -
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Rivr Luzade wrote:
Amarr have 2 Missile frigates, Vengeance and Malediction. Use them.
I'm pretty sure people are asking for a T1 missile frigate :)
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Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Ineluctable.
281
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Posted - 2014.03.20 10:26:00 -
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Because Minmatar are a race that uses mixed weapons as their primary weapons, namely Missiles and Projectiles, in all their designs?
Amarr, in contrast, use Lasers as their primary weapon of choice with some influx of Drones. Only the Khanid, and thus only the Khanid T2 designs, employ missiles. Use them. Or do we really need even more Kestrels and Merlins, or ships that are inferior to these two frigates just for the sake of having choice without any real meaning or purpose? |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space
The ROC
3227
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Posted - 2014.03.20 10:50:00 -
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Rivr Luzade wrote:Because Minmatar are a race that uses mixed weapons as their primary weapons, namely Missiles and Projectiles, in all their designs?
Amarr, in contrast, use Lasers as their primary weapon of choice with some influx of Drones. Only the Khanid, and thus only the Khanid T2 designs, employ missiles. Use them. Or do we really need even more Kestrels and Merlins, or ships that are inferior to these two frigates just for the sake of having choice without any real meaning or purpose?
Ok, then we can have a droneboat T1 frigate then.
Because otherwise we're the only race with just 1 choice of primary weapon systems in our T1 frigate lineup. Gallente have drones and hybrids, Caldari are split between missiles and hybrids, and Minmatar have projectiles and one missile frigate.
Amarr is, once again, left out in the cold.
Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Ineluctable.
281
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Posted - 2014.03.20 11:29:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Rivr Luzade wrote:Because Minmatar are a race that uses mixed weapons as their primary weapons, namely Missiles and Projectiles, in all their designs?
Amarr, in contrast, use Lasers as their primary weapon of choice with some influx of Drones. Only the Khanid, and thus only the Khanid T2 designs, employ missiles. Use them. Or do we really need even more Kestrels and Merlins, or ships that are inferior to these two frigates just for the sake of having choice without any real meaning or purpose? Ok, then we can have a droneboat T1 frigate then. Because otherwise we're the only race with just 1 choice of primary weapon systems in our T1 frigate lineup. Gallente have drones and hybrids, Caldari are split between missiles and hybrids, and Minmatar have projectiles and one missile frigate. Amarr is, once again, left out in the cold.
Crucifier? |
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Dato Koppla
Elite Guards
Stealth Wear Inc.
522
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Posted - 2014.03.20 11:30:00 -
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I would say droneboat, having a missile boat in the Amarr frig lineup doesn't match with the current progression, there are the laser boats (Punisher, Executioner, Coercer, Maller, Omen, Harbinger, Apoc, Baddon) and then the droneboats with both missile and turret hardpoints, which are the Arbitrator, Prophecy, Dragoon and Geddon. Sadly there isn't this type of boat at the frigate level and I think it would be really nice, it could either have the neut bonus like the Geddon and Dragoon, or the tank bonus like the Prophecy, either would be a solid boat IMO. |
Lephia DeGrande
Luxembourg Space Union
292
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Posted - 2014.03.20 11:39:00 -
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I hate missiles on my Amarr!! Get rid of all missiles!
>.< |
Electrique Wizard
Mutually Lucrative Business Proposals
Market and Contract PVP
336
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Posted - 2014.03.20 12:13:00 -
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Touch the tormentor and die.
My vote's on the Punisher, its useless anyway.
I am the Zodiac, I am the stars,
You are the sorceress, my priestess of Mars,
Queen of the night, swathed in satin black,
Your ivory flesh upon my torture rack. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space
The ROC
3229
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Posted - 2014.03.20 12:16:00 -
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Rivr Luzade wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Rivr Luzade wrote:Because Minmatar are a race that uses mixed weapons as their primary weapons, namely Missiles and Projectiles, in all their designs?
Amarr, in contrast, use Lasers as their primary weapon of choice with some influx of Drones. Only the Khanid, and thus only the Khanid T2 designs, employ missiles. Use them. Or do we really need even more Kestrels and Merlins, or ships that are inferior to these two frigates just for the sake of having choice without any real meaning or purpose? Ok, then we can have a droneboat T1 frigate then. Because otherwise we're the only race with just 1 choice of primary weapon systems in our T1 frigate lineup. Gallente have drones and hybrids, Caldari are split between missiles and hybrids, and Minmatar have projectiles and one missile frigate. Amarr is, once again, left out in the cold. Crucifier?
Is an Ewar vessel without any bonused drones.
Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Ashlar Vellum
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
109
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Posted - 2014.03.20 12:42:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Rivr Luzade wrote:Because Minmatar are a race that uses mixed weapons as their primary weapons, namely Missiles and Projectiles, in all their designs?
Amarr, in contrast, use Lasers as their primary weapon of choice with some influx of Drones. Only the Khanid, and thus only the Khanid T2 designs, employ missiles. Use them. Or do we really need even more Kestrels and Merlins, or ships that are inferior to these two frigates just for the sake of having choice without any real meaning or purpose? Ok, then we can have a droneboat T1 frigate then. Because otherwise we're the only race with just 1 choice of primary weapon systems in our T1 frigate lineup. Gallente have drones and hybrids, Caldari are split between missiles and hybrids, and Minmatar have projectiles and one missile frigate. Amarr is, once again, left out in the cold.
New frigate hull maybe, changing current ones is not a good idea. Every frig in amarr lineup right now has it uses, even weird and situational punisher has a few.
About missile damage bonus:
Gallente have no missile damage bonus hulls, why should amarr have one?
one more thing.
There is no amarr t1 hull with such bonus, so why all of a sudden there should be one?(I'm talking about Destroyers; Cruisers; Battlecruisers; Battleships)
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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
2948
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Posted - 2014.03.20 13:13:00 -
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Drone boat with missile hard points.
Oh god. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space
The ROC
3233
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Posted - 2014.03.20 13:20:00 -
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Ashlar Vellum wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Rivr Luzade wrote:Because Minmatar are a race that uses mixed weapons as their primary weapons, namely Missiles and Projectiles, in all their designs?
Amarr, in contrast, use Lasers as their primary weapon of choice with some influx of Drones. Only the Khanid, and thus only the Khanid T2 designs, employ missiles. Use them. Or do we really need even more Kestrels and Merlins, or ships that are inferior to these two frigates just for the sake of having choice without any real meaning or purpose? Ok, then we can have a droneboat T1 frigate then. Because otherwise we're the only race with just 1 choice of primary weapon systems in our T1 frigate lineup. Gallente have drones and hybrids, Caldari are split between missiles and hybrids, and Minmatar have projectiles and one missile frigate. Amarr is, once again, left out in the cold. New frigate hull maybe, changing current ones is not a good idea. Every frig in amarr lineup right now has it uses, even weird and situational punisher has a few. About missile damage bonus: Gallente have no missile damage bonus hulls, why should amarr have one? one more thing. There is no amarr t1 hull with such bonus, so why all of a sudden there should be one?(I'm talking about Destroyers; Cruisers; Battlecruisers; Battleships)
Gallente get something else instead, Drones.
So, like I said before. Every other race gets a secondary weapon in their T1 frigate lineup, why shouldn't Amarr get one too?
Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Ineluctable.
282
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Posted - 2014.03.20 13:25:00 -
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Because Amarr itself doesn't need to have other weapons than lasers? That is Amarr's philosophy. Only the Khanid divert from that because of their conditions and help from Caldari's LaiDai. |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
2949
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Posted - 2014.03.20 13:30:00 -
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Rivr Luzade wrote:Because Amarr itself doesn't need to have other weapons than lasers? That is Amarr's philosophy. Only the Khanid divert from that because of their conditions and help from Caldari's LaiDai.
Amarr has a T1 drone boat with missile hardpoints in every subcap class except frigates. The inquisitor was formerly a missile frigate, with an EM bonus iirc.
Oh god. |
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Ineluctable.
282
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Posted - 2014.03.20 13:43:00 -
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Yes, 2 or 1 Hardpoints for the sake of variety, but not as indication of specialization. I doubt that 1 launcher hard point on a frigate is ... helpful, even in the name of variety. 
As far as I remember, the Missile damage ship Inquisitor was removed in favor of the logistics role primarily because of the Venture, and secondarily because it was not uses all that much. And if I skim through the last winter's Dev post about these changes, I don't see much disagreement. So why now all of a sudden? |
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Arline Kley
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
273
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Posted - 2014.03.20 13:48:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Rise just felt it necessary for us to have all lasers and no options.
What Rise thinks is necessary and what is actually necessary are rarely the same (still not bitter in anyway, honest guv)
A missile boat would be nice - perhaps the Crucifier, since that is the EWAR boat and does look a little... Caldari... in its appearance (aka, I can see where a missile hardpoint or two can go)
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Catherine Laartii
Knights of Xibalba
109
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Posted - 2014.03.20 15:14:00 -
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I would agree with a few people in regards to making a drone boat. I think I would like to see them give the Crucifer drone bonuses and a bit larger sized drone bay and bandwidth, but buff the tristan by extension; i.e. give them both drone dmg and hp bonuses, but have tristan's 2nd bonus be speed and tracking or something like that. The main reason they chose to change the inquisitor into a missile boat was actually based off of the model's limitations with hardpoints with the coming introduction of launcher hardpoints on ships before they came out. It had very little to do with the actual ship performance, which was a very nice alternative to the kestrel. |
Nariya Kentaya
Phoenix funds
1127
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Posted - 2014.03.20 15:32:00 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote:It was nice.
Why does Amarr have 3 laser frigates anyway? There's not much point. They're all basically the same. Would be nice to have more variety in them.
I say make the Tormentor into the logi frig and give the Inquisitor its EM missile damage bonus and launcher hardpoints back!
i say amarr needs less variety, we keep getting stuck with all the serious ship changes, they want us to be missile, laser, drone, neuts, EVERYTHING, other races are a whole lot better focused into 2 weapon systems, for some reason amarr is split between 4. |
Ashlar Vellum
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
109
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Posted - 2014.03.20 15:33:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Drone boat with missile hard points.
OP didn't suggest that.
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Gallente get something else instead, Drones.
So, like I said before. Every other race gets a secondary weapon in their T1 frigate lineup, why shouldn't Amarr get one too?
Drone bonus maybe, missile bonus is not needed especially if you are going to change current lineup.
And if we are talking about drone bonus hull, what bonuses would you like to see? |
paritybit
Repo.
260
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Posted - 2014.03.20 16:55:00 -
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Everyone saying the Punisher is useless has obviously not been in a faction warfare zone. These little powerhouses can pack on four warp core stabilizers. If you muck with the Punisher you're sure to meet with threats from the FW farmer crowd. Then they'd be relegated to an Incursus or the odd Magnate. |
Aglais
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
480
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Posted - 2014.03.20 17:17:00 -
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paritybit wrote:Everyone saying the Punisher is useless has obviously not been in a faction warfare zone. These little powerhouses can pack on four warp core stabilizers. If you muck with the Punisher you're sure to meet with threats from the FW farmer crowd. Then they'd be relegated to an Incursus or the odd Magnate.
So... It's only viable role is 'frigate level bait'?
Sounds like a synonym for 'useless'. |
Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1085
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Posted - 2014.03.20 17:25:00 -
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I must admit I really like the new drone/missile/laser/EWAR lineup that Amarr has lately. I love me a Swiss Army Ship. Check my bio, Ossian Boone knows it's true.
With a minor exception in the Prophecy, Amarr has one of these at all sizes except for frigates. The Prophecy has drone dmg/HP and armor resists. Here's my new proposal (and I'll put it in the OP):
Crucifier with Drones
2 high // 3 med // 4 low
1 turret hardpoint, 1 launcher hardpoint
20mbit/sec bandwidth // 60m3 drone bay
7.5% bonus to Tracking Disruptor effectiveness
10% bonus to Drone damage and hitpoints
I moved a medium slot to low and buffed the drones to 4/12 (as opposed to 3/9 before), and I replaced one turret hardpoint with a launcher hardpoint. The reason I moved the medium slot to low was to counter with the drone buff--it reduces the EWAR output of this ship, but true to Amarrian core design philosophy, it can fit a good armor tank. Its drones are less powerful than those of the Tristan, but with its other advantages I'd say it's pretty well balanced and makes an excellent counterpart to the Tristan.
What do you guys think?
Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. (had this sig BEFORE Odyssey BC rebalance)
And bring back the missile Inquisitor!! |
Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1085
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Posted - 2014.03.20 17:29:00 -
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Ashlar Vellum wrote:Riot Girl wrote:Drone boat with missile hard points. OP didn't suggest that. I did now. I've been toying with the idea and I think I've finally come to terms with it.
Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. (had this sig BEFORE Odyssey BC rebalance)
And bring back the missile Inquisitor!! |
Liam Inkuras
Aunenen Civil Liberties Union
894
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Posted - 2014.03.20 18:26:00 -
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You're such a sh*tty troll. Just stop
I wear my goggles at night.
Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone |
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Ineluctable.
291
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Posted - 2014.03.20 19:04:00 -
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NO taking away of mids from the Crucifier! It needs these for the EWAR. >.< |
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