Folks, read the newest dev blog. The goons in the post are gloating in their posts, so you know it is terrible for high sec.
In a few months, mission runners will now have to invest weeks and weeks of training, plus buy a hideously expensive implant, to get the privilege of a 27.6% nerf to all mission loot refines.

Nobody likes the current sov setup.

But it is better than what we had before.

"High sec Mission runners just got completely screwed by CCP"


No they didn't. You are just having a kneejerk panic attack over a very slight nerf.

This change is good for the whole game, including High Sec. 100% reprocessing was quite broken.

Look, it turns out he is just like the rest of the griefers, who gets off ruining the game play for others.
The game is littered with them, and the CSM has about a dozen that consider it a great day when they can ruin high sec play in some way.

It is really sad. The last few months I had actually considered him a standup guy.
I can only shudder at what else lies in store for high sec in the coming days as more assaults on it are announced.

@ Malcanis: This is not the time or place for hyperbolic and misplaced sarcasm, though I know you love that.

This kind of aggressive posting just lends itself to the impression that you have a vested interest in destroying discussion on this topic, or that you are having a bad day and looking to vent on someone. Both of which I would hope are not the case.

so sov owners refuse use they space but still we have a lot renters who pay to get chance to use that terrible space. that's a bit confusing, isn't it?

to what level we need buff sov space, that those who own it would start using it?

i don't mind that loot reprocessing will be changed though it hurt people who bother to loot wreks (not only high sec mission runners) but why do outposts get the best refine rates?

i think Vaerah arguaging about that

By means of example:

Tippia, I lay claim to represent your interests.

According to your logic, you have no means to disprove that, because you claim that your vote for me is not necessary in order for me to claim to represent your interests.

You fail to understand both the mechanics of elective representation, as well as the scientific process of constructing and defining a sample grouping that is proportinately an accurate representation of the whole. Both of which are sepaeate from each other and peform functions completely extraneous to each other.

Even a basic understanding of political science, as well as a high school understanding of the scientific process avails a person to differentiate on and discuss these matters.

Anyone I have not voted for, has no claim to represent me.

And this is why they CSM should be removed.

Was it really necessary to give him that first option.

@Malcanis:

You don't represent me.
You can claim you do all you want, but you don't.
I did not vote for you.
I have not mandated, entitled or empowered you in anyway shape or form to represent me.

As to the rest of your post, you are taking offense and getting defensive on issues that I am not even opposed to you on.
The only point I contend, is you do not represent me.

Don't waste your time talking to the omnipotent and omniscient Malcanis. It's his world and we are just peasants renting space in it.

Again, I call for all who are unhappy with these changes to VOTE WITH YOUR WALLETS. Don't try engaging the phony CSM with your grievances. TAKE REAL ACTION THAT CCP WILL NOTICE. UNSUBSCRIBE. Only through declining player numbers and revenues will CCP ever take your concerns seriously.

He can sit on the council and claim "I represent Salvos Rhoska" all he wants.
Just as I can sit at a bar and proudly exclaim I represent every one in EVE, including Malcanis.

Neither will be true.

i am unsure why you have chosen to be so aggressively wrong on such a simple issue of what words mean, but it is rapidly becoming apparent you must have said something extremely dumb, and once called on it realized you were wrong and are seeking to try to find increasingly tortured explanations for why you are actually right instead of clearly wrong

i suggest a humble, honest and frank admission you were wrong and have realized that. you will find you will almost always be thought of more highly, and that such an admission will be less embarrassing than a desperate attempt to avoid admitting something everyone already knows.

This thread alone should be reason enough for Malcanis to run for CSM. Do it. Do it now.

Welp, we'll probably have a No Macanis for CSM campaign. Judging from this thread it will still be reasonably successful I think.

Little reminder btw:

"CSM REPRESENTATIVE CONDUCT
Any behavior or actions considered being a material breach of the EULA or TOS by a CSM Representative is grounds for immediate dismissal and permanent exclusion from all pending and future participation in the council. There are no exceptions, regardless of the infraction. Representatives are not only expected to uphold the social contract that all society members are held accountable to, but should also set a behavior standard for everyone else to follow."

http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/communityassets/pdf/csm/CSMSummary.pdf

Tippia, mon cher, Im making my voice heard all the time here :)

Furthermore, I hereby absolve all CSM of the burden of representing me (not that I ever gave consent or empowerment to it in the first place). Any claim to represent me made by any other individual aside from myself is to be considered false, null and void.

There! Thats done with. And there is nothing you can do about it.

Reported for Trolling and Harassment, keep the toxic posts to yourself Malcanis.

Yes. As have you by not running in the next elections.

Thanks!

Null certainly shouldn't be buffed to the point that it's cheaper to produce in null and jump freight product to Jita

http://jestertrek.com/eve/blog/2012/mineralcompo.png (from a 2008 source acording to Ripard)

12-15% is based on 45% of approx 25-30% average of all minerals following the most recent changes to loot drops.

Malcanis, why is it so hard for CCP to pull out some hard data?
CCP can turn this 50 page "he said, she said" back and forth into 10 pages real quick, by simply pulling the relevant data for the last 6 months, aggregating it, and presenting a simple pie chart.

You give me a day to brush up on my old SQL skills, and another day getting up to speed on the CCP database, and I could pull out hard numbers. I imagine a SQL pro could get the numbers in a couple hours.

I KNOW they won't, because it will defeat the cartels' constant propaganda about this being a minor hit to mission running, but I wish CCP had the balls to back up their game mechanic changes with numbers.

I mean, CCP MUST have previously run numbers to come up with all the odd little ones they have on refine and this 50% re-process nerf. or was just a simple one at the pub where the cartel guys said, "hey, let's cut reprocess in half"?

Oh, and for the record, that 37% number is pulled out of my butt, just like Tippia's and the other liar's 3.7% is.
But I know mine is closer to the truth that theirs is.

I know many, many hi-sec mission runners and none of them who have been running missions more than a few days bother looting.

Blitz missions, convert isk to pvp ships, lose pvp ships, run missions, rinse repeat.