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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
2371
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Posted - 2014.03.20 17:53:00 -
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Folks, read the newest dev blog. The goons in the post are gloating in their posts, so you know it is terrible for high sec. In a few months, mission runners will now have to invest weeks and weeks of training, plus buy a hideously expensive implant, to get the privilege of a 27.6% nerf to all mission loot refines. Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |

baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
10449
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Posted - 2014.03.20 17:56:00 -
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So mining is being buffed. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |

The Geoman
Anarchos Syndicate
0
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Posted - 2014.03.20 18:03:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Folks, read the newest dev blog. The goons in the post are gloating in their posts, so you know it is terrible for high sec. In a few months, mission runners will now have to invest weeks and weeks of training, plus buy a hideously expensive implant, to get the privilege of a 27.6% nerf to all mission loot refines.
Were you around when they nerfed mission loot, years back? That was quite a hit to mission-running income, for those who looted their wrecks.
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Salvos Rhoska
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
374
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Posted - 2014.03.20 18:06:00 -
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+1 to Mining Multiboxers.
Well played.
Not only will Miners be getting more out of their ore/ice, there is substantially less minerals coming into the market from loot refinement.
So a double whammy.
Do you have a multibox mining fleet yet? No? You should probably start one. |

Marvin Narville
In Exile. Imperial Outlaws.
54
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Posted - 2014.03.20 18:07:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Folks, read the newest dev blog. The goons in the post are gloating in their posts, so you know it is terrible for high sec. In a few months, mission runners will now have to invest weeks and weeks of training, plus buy a hideously expensive implant, to get the privilege of a 27.6% nerf to all mission loot refines.
...Teeeechnically also a nerf to ninja looters and such, sounds fair and balanced no? :D |

Toshiro Ozuwara
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
363
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Posted - 2014.03.20 18:09:00 -
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Ninja looters have been taking it in the butte for about 18 months now. --- |

Suned
Viziam Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2014.03.20 18:09:00 -
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Yes! Kill all of highsec. |

Seraph Essael
Devils Diciples League of Infamy
497
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Posted - 2014.03.20 18:11:00 -
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To be fair, there's a mission runner in my corp who loots and refines his mission loot... He actually gets more from that per hour that a dedicated miner friend of his... So yeah, this is a buff to mining and refining not a foot up the mission runners arses. Quoted from Doc Fury: "Concerned citizens: Doc seldom plays EVE on the weekends during spring and summer, so you will always be on your own for a couple days a week. Doc spends that time collecting kittens for the on-going sacrifices, engaging in reckless outdoor activities, and speaking in the 3rd person." |

Batelle
Tymast Industries 150th
2301
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Posted - 2014.03.20 18:15:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Folks, read the newest dev blog. The goons in the post are gloating in their posts, so you know it is terrible for high sec. In a few months, mission runners will now have to invest weeks and weeks of training, plus buy a hideously expensive implant, to get the privilege of a 27.6% nerf to all mission loot refines.
Or you could just sell your loot to someone that makes such refines their profession in the first place, as most people already do.
Guess who else it nerfs? nullsec anomaly runners. MTUs plus chained anomalies makes looting very efficient and a large portion of income.
Guess who it doesn't nerf at all? hisec mission blitzers that don't loot. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |

Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
2372
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Posted - 2014.03.20 18:16:00 -
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Seraph Essael wrote:To be fair, there's a mission runner in my corp who loots and refines his mission loot... He actually gets more from that per hour that a dedicated miner friend of his... So yeah, this is a buff to mining and refining not a foot up the mission runners arses.
Link to devblog please... Stupid search function gone kaput on me damn phone...
It is precisely an attack on the mission runners. Or anyone who reprocesses modules in high sec particularly.
I called this attack on high sec for the past winter release. Guess I was off by 6 months. Now waiting for the other "balances" coming with this release to further ruin high sec for the benefit of the cartels. Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
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Salvos Rhoska
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
374
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Posted - 2014.03.20 18:16:00 -
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Seraph Essael wrote:So yeah, this is a buff to mining and refining AND a foot up the mission runners arses.
Fixed that for you. |

Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
2372
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Posted - 2014.03.20 18:18:00 -
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The Geoman wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Folks, read the newest dev blog. The goons in the post are gloating in their posts, so you know it is terrible for high sec. In a few months, mission runners will now have to invest weeks and weeks of training, plus buy a hideously expensive implant, to get the privilege of a 27.6% nerf to all mission loot refines. Were you around when they nerfed mission loot, years back? That was quite a hit to mission-running income, for those who looted their wrecks.
Yeah, I was. This is just another cut in the "death by a thousand cuts" to high sec. CCP truly does hate the majority of its subscription base. Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |

baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
10452
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Posted - 2014.03.20 18:19:00 -
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Well ****, looks like CCP is on the path to fixing Null industry Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |

Twenty Five Percent
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2014.03.20 18:19:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Folks, read the newest dev blog. The goons in the post are gloating in their posts, so you know it is terrible for high sec. In a few months, mission runners will now have to invest weeks and weeks of training, plus buy a hideously expensive implant, to get the privilege of a 27.6% nerf to all mission loot refines.
Shut up crybaby nobody cares |

baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
10452
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Posted - 2014.03.20 18:20:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Yeah, I was. This is just another cut in the "death by a thousand cuts" to high sec. CCP truly does hate the majority of its subscription base.
You do know that the best income from missions involves no looting right?
This will have no impact at all to mission runners who run missions effectively. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |

MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
1765
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Posted - 2014.03.20 18:21:00 -
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Batelle wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Folks, read the newest dev blog. The goons in the post are gloating in their posts, so you know it is terrible for high sec. In a few months, mission runners will now have to invest weeks and weeks of training, plus buy a hideously expensive implant, to get the privilege of a 27.6% nerf to all mission loot refines. Or you could just sell your loot to someone that makes such refines their profession in the first place, as most people already do. Guess who else it nerfs? nullsec anomaly runners. MTUs plus chained anomalies makes looting very efficient and a large portion of income. Guess who it doesn't nerf at all? hisec mission blitzers that don't loot.
sush dinsdale does not precribe to logic There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |

Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
2372
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Posted - 2014.03.20 18:21:00 -
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Batelle wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Folks, read the newest dev blog. The goons in the post are gloating in their posts, so you know it is terrible for high sec. In a few months, mission runners will now have to invest weeks and weeks of training, plus buy a hideously expensive implant, to get the privilege of a 27.6% nerf to all mission loot refines. Or you could just sell your loot to someone that makes such refines their profession in the first place, as most people already do. Guess who else it nerfs? nullsec anomaly runners. MTUs plus chained anomalies makes looting very efficient and a large portion of income. Guess who it doesn't nerf at all? hisec mission blitzers that don't loot.
What you say is true, but for the fact is that vast majority of null sec anom runners don't loot. And most mission runners do loot in high sec.
Guess the MTU was to popular a module, and the tractor beam bonus of the Marauder just became even more useless. Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |

Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
1090
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Posted - 2014.03.20 18:22:00 -
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Talking about industry, why is that survey there? I predict some buff. But first goes the nerf. Edit signature? What's the point? |

Chad Wylder
Bogus Brothers Corporation Illusion of Solitude
22
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Posted - 2014.03.20 18:23:00 -
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Make a filter for loot that only returns salvage and loot that is worth more than, say 200,000 isk. (or whatever value you want.) You can take that to market without a massive list of items to go through and get pretty much all of your loot value.
For the rest of the loot, I'm sure there will be refining groups popping up that accept stuff that people don't want to refine or waste time selling these items themselves. Or the corp you're in might have someone with perfect refining skills.
If anything I'd consider this a good thing. It can make refining for others a very viable profession. And I really don't see it affecting mission runners much at all as long as they use their item filters. |

MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
1765
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Posted - 2014.03.20 18:23:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Yeah, I was. This is just another cut in the "death by a thousand cuts" to high sec. CCP truly does hate the majority of its subscription base.
You do know that the best income from missions involves no looting right? This will have no impact at all to mission runners who run missions effectively.
you know i got to say i really like goons now...
used to not like because i had a hard on for Bob but now you are bob... so you can have my epeen There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
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MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
1765
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Posted - 2014.03.20 18:24:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Batelle wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Folks, read the newest dev blog. The goons in the post are gloating in their posts, so you know it is terrible for high sec. In a few months, mission runners will now have to invest weeks and weeks of training, plus buy a hideously expensive implant, to get the privilege of a 27.6% nerf to all mission loot refines. Or you could just sell your loot to someone that makes such refines their profession in the first place, as most people already do. Guess who else it nerfs? nullsec anomaly runners. MTUs plus chained anomalies makes looting very efficient and a large portion of income. Guess who it doesn't nerf at all? hisec mission blitzers that don't loot. What you say is true, but for the fact is that vast majority of null sec anom runners don't loot. And most mission runners do loot in high sec. Guess the MTU was to popular a module, and the tractor beam bonus of the Marauder just became even more useless.
how doy ou come upon the metrics that most high sec mission runners loot?
and if one does loot most isk comes from meta iv stuff which is crap to reprocess in the first place. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |

Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
2372
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Posted - 2014.03.20 18:34:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Batelle wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Folks, read the newest dev blog. The goons in the post are gloating in their posts, so you know it is terrible for high sec. In a few months, mission runners will now have to invest weeks and weeks of training, plus buy a hideously expensive implant, to get the privilege of a 27.6% nerf to all mission loot refines. Or you could just sell your loot to someone that makes such refines their profession in the first place, as most people already do. Guess who else it nerfs? nullsec anomaly runners. MTUs plus chained anomalies makes looting very efficient and a large portion of income. Guess who it doesn't nerf at all? hisec mission blitzers that don't loot. What you say is true, but for the fact is that vast majority of null sec anom runners don't loot. And most mission runners do loot in high sec. Guess the MTU was to popular a module, and the tractor beam bonus of the Marauder just became even more useless. how doy ou come upon the metrics that most high sec mission runners loot? and if one does loot most isk comes from meta iv stuff which is crap to reprocess in the first place.
Ummm, gee, I dunno. Based on my conversations with mission runners. Based on how the MTU works? Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |

Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
2761
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Posted - 2014.03.20 18:35:00 -
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A boost to mining? I don't even... Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics |

Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
497
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Posted - 2014.03.20 18:37:00 -
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So Dinsdale is up in arms again about something that's nowhere near as harsh as he makes out, well there's a shock.
You know if you'd put this amount of effort into a CSM campaign you'd have pretty much ensured you got elected already, if only because everyone would know who you were and that you claim to care about highsec. Of course its far easier to take cheap shots from the peanut gallery rather than actually take a bit of responsibility isn't it  Pirates - The Invisible Fist of Darwin
you're welcome |

Pix Severus
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
491
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Posted - 2014.03.20 18:40:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:and if one does loot most isk comes from meta iv stuff which is crap to reprocess in the first place.
Confirming this. You only reprocess the very cheap stuff (<50k ISK items) anyway, you sell the good stuff directly on the market.
In reality this is an extremely small nerf, and with the amount of nullbear whining we've had over the last few months, it could've been a lot worse.
So suck it up, HTFU, adapt or die, etc etc etc. |

baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
10455
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Posted - 2014.03.20 18:47:00 -
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Pix Severus wrote:MeBiatch wrote:and if one does loot most isk comes from meta iv stuff which is crap to reprocess in the first place. Confirming this. You only reprocess the very cheap stuff (<50k ISK items) anyway, you sell the good stuff directly on the market. In reality this is an extremely small nerf, and with the amount of nullbear whining we've had over the last few months, it could've been a lot worse. So suck it up, HTFU, adapt or die, etc etc etc.
We told you it wouldn't hurt to nerf high sec slightly to fix null industry Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |

Batelle
Tymast Industries 150th
2301
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Posted - 2014.03.20 18:48:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: What you say is true, but for the fact is that vast majority of null sec anom runners don't loot. And most mission runners do loot in high sec.
-Nullsec, lots of battleships, single pocket, all in same system. Looting is very optimal. -Hisec, multiple mission pockets, missions spread out across constellation, payout in LP is an incentive to skip looting (looting more attractive if doing navy missions and not blitzing).
You're saying this is a nerf to hisec because both people in hisec and people in nullsec are doing it wrong. No, I don't think so. Rather this is a nerf to looting, which has gotten lots of buffs in recent years and affects some players everywhere.
Quote:Guess the MTU was to popular a module This is probably true. CCP is saying taht near-perfect scrap reprocessing is a problem on its own, but the addition of the MTU makes reprocessing more impactful than ever before. I can buy this. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |

Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
2372
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Posted - 2014.03.20 18:50:00 -
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Pix Severus wrote:MeBiatch wrote:and if one does loot most isk comes from meta iv stuff which is crap to reprocess in the first place. Confirming this. You only reprocess the very cheap stuff (<50k ISK items) anyway, you sell the good stuff directly on the market. In reality this is an extremely small nerf, and with the amount of nullbear whining we've had over the last few months, it could've been a lot worse. So suck it up, HTFU, adapt or die, etc etc etc.
Not sure how you are doing your math, but this is a huge huge hit. Have you seen the value of large smart bombs, 1600 mm armour plates, and 100 Mn MwD's, just for a few examples. They sell at mineral value. They are worth between 800,000 and 1 million each.
At first I thought they were taking a 27.6% nerf. Now, after re-reading the dev blog, I realize it is actually a 45% nerf. That is monstrous.
So yeah, all the propaganda by the null sec cartels was worth it to them. This is a huge hit to high sec income. Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |

baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
10455
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Posted - 2014.03.20 18:54:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Pix Severus wrote:MeBiatch wrote:and if one does loot most isk comes from meta iv stuff which is crap to reprocess in the first place. Confirming this. You only reprocess the very cheap stuff (<50k ISK items) anyway, you sell the good stuff directly on the market. In reality this is an extremely small nerf, and with the amount of nullbear whining we've had over the last few months, it could've been a lot worse. So suck it up, HTFU, adapt or die, etc etc etc. Not sure how you are doing your math, but this is a huge huge hit. Have you seen the value of large smart bombs, 1600 mm armour plates, and 100 Mn MwD's, just for a few examples. They sell at mineral value. They are worth between 800,000 and 1 million each. At first I thought they were taking a 27.6% nerf. Now, after re-reading the dev blog, I realize it is actually a 45% nerf. That is monstrous. So yeah, all the propaganda by the null sec cartels was worth it to them. This is a huge hit to high sec income.
You earn more running missions when blitzing and ignoring loot. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |

Nariya Kentaya
Phoenix funds
1129
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Posted - 2014.03.20 18:59:00 -
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Maybe im just a complete dumbass, or maybe amarr is just a horrible market, but wasnt mission income, even in lvl 4's, about 40% bounty, 50% salvage, and 10% modules, of which 8% is meta 4 (as in not refined, sold on amrket) and the last 2% was the minerals from refined ****-tier crap?
so how is this a huge nerf to mission runners? its not even that much fo a buff for miners, especially high sec ones.
however, if i read it right, POS-based refineries are getting a slight buff maybe i think? if so, thats a HUGE +1 |
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