You could do billions a month with this "non profession". Call it "hobby" then

This creates "space-divide". Who has top skills and ships CAN blitz with great success, but who's newer is royally screwed. They have to slowly and painfully chew through the NPCs, their tank can't even dream affording a room agro (to blitz to the gate / objective). Some also made side ISK by mining the roids in the instances. All of this is getting nerfed.

So who starts anew has disadvantage, old-bies have all the advantage.

This stopped being true since a year of two.

No, who is new will struggle taking off. The last loot changes have been mostly about making harder to start from zero and easier to make ISK for those playing since years.

Changing module names to dumber names is not going to be more newbie friendly than making like a crap and basically force newbs into mining or pay $10 to belong to the Forum Of Justs.

Where/how?

That is exactly my perception of you and Tippia also.

Now kindly let me leave and you can have your way unabated.

Where/how?

... Everywhere?
Do you really not know how to get a 100% refine rate? You barely need SP invested to do it. You'll actually have to train refining skill while already above perfect refine just to use T2 mining crystals.

Yeah, I was.
This is just another cut in the "death by a thousand cuts" to high sec.
CCP truly does hate the majority of its subscription base.

Sorry, but some of us have done literally everything, I have lived in wormholes, I own 2 miners an orca/rorq and a cloaky hauler dedicated to the task of mining (let me tell you how dusty those are) I have done t2 and t3 invention i have ran missions of all levels for just about every agent I've done incursions to the tune of knocking one fully out in 5 hours when it settled in our home system while we were attacking an enemy.

Pretty much the only thing I dont know how to do in EVE is PI and those 4 miners are currently training to max PI skills since I'm out of other things to train on them.

In short, we know what the **** we're talking about when we talk, sorry that doesn't fit your narrative but we've been around for a while and probably will be around for a while longer.

WHs are riskier than sov null sec

Ok then I and my friend who does it often must be missing something.

Ive never seen a 100% return of materials from any object, and the only "perfect" result Ive seen is a zero wastage and zero commission reprocess at stations where you have high standings, unless thats what you mean, rather than a 100% return on the materials used to make it?

I would just like to take a moment out from the forum flaming to point out that CCP is a business. CCP wants players. CCP sells fun, and you don't make things fun by hating your customers.

This was an area of the game that they felt needed to be rebalanced, just like the changes to drone assist, the ship rebalancing, and so on. It means that people who *want* to make reprocessing and salvaging their Eve career can get ahead, and the mission-loot-salvage-reprocessed is a small fraction of the total income of mission running.

lolno they really arent

While I agree it's a reduction in the income from scrap, that was never really a profession anyway. Mission runners make more isk from LP rewards and mission blitzing than from the loot, and will still be the main source of salvage.

If you look at it from the mining point of view, miners were previously getting screwed because on-the-side income from missioners was directly affecting the mineral price. On top of that, ore compression was utterly pointless as modules existed to do that job better instead. That has now been turned into a viable tradeskill.

Then you have the effect on industry. Previously, you could manufacture a whole heap of most items, then if the market dropped away just recycle them back to minerals and try something else. Now industrialists will be forced to commit to a product, which is a good thing. If you mess up and you build 2 million units of something and they won't sell, you either have to take the hit or keep pushing sales. You can't just effectively undo your manufacture and try something else.

And speaking objectively, if you look at this from the point of view of someone brand new, so not involved in any side of the debate, they way it will work is balanced. You are upset as your current method of isk generation will require a rethink, as will many others. You're not being objective by saying "this is how it affects me, therefore this is bad".

The best part of all of this is that the best income levels from missions involve no looting at all.

I have done all of the above plus mined in every sec plus have had 118 PI planets including factories planets.

Your (and not just yours) talk is easily proved biased by one simple consideration: WHs are riskier than sov null sec yet NOBODY of your opinion has mentioned they should get better refine than any null sec.

Why? Self interest much?

Also, my "narrative" comes from the point of view of someone who has done everything in EvE except reactions (never found them fun or highly profitable enough) and now is sort of "pensioneer" with no active interest in EvE any more except trading.

That is, all these changes are fairly neutral to me, I don't have anything to GAIN saying A instead of B.

Where I am not neutral is, I have had terrible past MMO experiences when the developers started catering to only a portion of the player base, that is the loudest and most established. They invariably tanked over time, as new players would find themselves hit by a "wealth divide" that prevented them from growing "powerful" at a good rate like the others could.

Considering EvE has become great without wealth divides, I don't like the idea of seeing what happens when they get implemented.

lolno they really arent

So everyone should just blitz and not even think about looting/salvaging? Not all of us who run missions are min/maxers looking for the absolute best isk per hour. I don't fly a ridiculously expensive mission ship. I don't have a specially implanted clone for PVE. I do missions as a way to make income, yes but, I also do them as a way to add a little variety to my game play.

By your logic CCP should just remove all the loot/salvage drops from missions. Oh, and remove Marauders as well since they'd serve no real purpose anymore.

So everyone should just blitz and not even think about looting/salvaging? Not all of us who run missions are min/maxers looking for the absolute best isk per hour. I don't fly a ridiculously expensive mission ship. I don't have a specially implanted clone for PVE. I do missions as a way to make income, yes but, I also do them as a way to add a little variety to my game play.

By your logic CCP should just remove all the loot/salvage drops from missions. Oh, and remove Marauders as well since they'd serve no real purpose anymore.

You really must be doing it wrong, and that's not even a troll. You need to find any station with a base 50% refine (Any station in Amarr for example, and hundreds of others all over high sec). You then need 6.67 standing with the corporation that owns the station, including connections, so a bunch of missions and connections 4 takes you no time at all, can be done inside a day (connections maybe slightly longer but that applies retroactively anyway as it's a static boost to your standing). That takes care of tax.

Then you just need Refining 5, Refinery Efficiency 4, and the specific ore skill of 1. At that point you are perfect refine in any 50% station owned by that corp.

EDIT: Oh and for your final point, the 100% refine is independent of tax. I imagine the tax rules will still apply on top of the refine yield even once the changes go in. The only way to reduce tax in an NPC station is to increase standings.

I have flown extensively in all types of space. No place in the game is more challenging to survive in than a wormhole (assuming one is actually doing something other than sitting cloaked in a safe).

WH space is null with no local and no safe place to dock. There is no 250 man fleet of supers and support ready to cyno in to save your POS either.

Don't even try to claim null is anywhere close to WH space.

So, let's REMOVE IMMEDIATELY local chat.

Deal?

I have flown extensively in all types of space. No place in the game is more challenging to survive in than a wormhole (assuming one is actually doing something other than sitting cloaked in a safe).

WH space is null with no local and no safe place to dock. There is no 250 man fleet of supers and support ready to cyno in to save your POS either.

Don't even try to claim null is anywhere close to WH space.

I would ask PL how much assets they had locked in B-R that was enough to throw 59 Titans at and then ask N3 how much stuff is locked into 0-W. Risk in a WH is what you are flying in, risk in 0.0 is an entire coalitions assets.

Not even close to true. If you think WH dwellers have nothing to risk other than their current ship then you don't understand what living in a hole is like. Your notion is only true for daytrippers.

You are also conveniently ignoring the fact that many of those assets you mentioned are mobile platforms capable of defending your claim with near instant travel for huge fleets.

Not even close to true. If you think WH dwellers have nothing to risk other than their current ship then you don't understand what living in a hole is like. Your notion is only true for daytrippers.

You are also conveniently ignoring the fact that many of those assets you mentioned are mobile platforms capable of defending your claim with near instant travel for huge fleets.

This change is going to hurt low SP players badly. Since they lack the SP to blitz missions, their main source of income will be from mission loot, and CCP just kicked them in the balls. This is basically a nerf against newbies.