Folks, read the newest dev blog. The goons in the post are gloating in their posts, so you know it is terrible for high sec.
In a few months, mission runners will now have to invest weeks and weeks of training, plus buy a hideously expensive implant, to get the privilege of a 27.6% nerf to all mission loot refines.

Folks, read the newest dev blog. The goons in the post are gloating in their posts, so you know it is terrible for high sec.
In a few months, mission runners will now have to invest weeks and weeks of training, plus buy a hideously expensive implant, to get the privilege of a 27.6% nerf to all mission loot refines.

Folks, read the newest dev blog. The goons in the post are gloating in their posts, so you know it is terrible for high sec.
In a few months, mission runners will now have to invest weeks and weeks of training, plus buy a hideously expensive implant, to get the privilege of a 27.6% nerf to all mission loot refines.

To be fair, there's a mission runner in my corp who loots and refines his mission loot... He actually gets more from that per hour that a dedicated miner friend of his...
So yeah, this is a buff to mining and refining not a foot up the mission runners arses.

Link to devblog please... Stupid search function gone kaput on me damn phone...

So yeah, this is a buff to mining and refining AND a foot up the mission runners arses.

Were you around when they nerfed mission loot, years back? That was quite a hit to mission-running income, for those who looted their wrecks.

Folks, read the newest dev blog. The goons in the post are gloating in their posts, so you know it is terrible for high sec.
In a few months, mission runners will now have to invest weeks and weeks of training, plus buy a hideously expensive implant, to get the privilege of a 27.6% nerf to all mission loot refines.

Yeah, I was.
This is just another cut in the "death by a thousand cuts" to high sec.
CCP truly does hate the majority of its subscription base.

Or you could just sell your loot to someone that makes such refines their profession in the first place, as most people already do.

Guess who else it nerfs? nullsec anomaly runners. MTUs plus chained anomalies makes looting very efficient and a large portion of income.

Guess who it doesn't nerf at all? hisec mission blitzers that don't loot.

Or you could just sell your loot to someone that makes such refines their profession in the first place, as most people already do.

Guess who else it nerfs? nullsec anomaly runners. MTUs plus chained anomalies makes looting very efficient and a large portion of income.

Guess who it doesn't nerf at all? hisec mission blitzers that don't loot.

You do know that the best income from missions involves no looting right?

This will have no impact at all to mission runners who run missions effectively.

What you say is true, but for the fact is that vast majority of null sec anom runners don't loot.
And most mission runners do loot in high sec.

Guess the MTU was to popular a module, and the tractor beam bonus of the Marauder just became even more useless.

how doy ou come upon the metrics that most high sec mission runners loot?

and if one does loot most isk comes from meta iv stuff which is crap to reprocess in the first place.

and if one does loot most isk comes from meta iv stuff which is crap to reprocess in the first place.

Confirming this. You only reprocess the very cheap stuff (<50k ISK items) anyway, you sell the good stuff directly on the market.

In reality this is an extremely small nerf, and with the amount of nullbear whining we've had over the last few months, it could've been a lot worse.

So suck it up, HTFU, adapt or die, etc etc etc.

What you say is true, but for the fact is that vast majority of null sec anom runners don't loot.
And most mission runners do loot in high sec.

Guess the MTU was to popular a module

Confirming this. You only reprocess the very cheap stuff (<50k ISK items) anyway, you sell the good stuff directly on the market.

In reality this is an extremely small nerf, and with the amount of nullbear whining we've had over the last few months, it could've been a lot worse.

So suck it up, HTFU, adapt or die, etc etc etc.

Not sure how you are doing your math, but this is a huge huge hit.
Have you seen the value of large smart bombs, 1600 mm armour plates, and 100 Mn MwD's, just for a few examples.
They sell at mineral value.
They are worth between 800,000 and 1 million each.

At first I thought they were taking a 27.6% nerf.
Now, after re-reading the dev blog, I realize it is actually a 45% nerf.
That is monstrous.

So yeah, all the propaganda by the null sec cartels was worth it to them.
This is a huge hit to high sec income.

You earn more running missions when blitzing and ignoring loot.

No.

I loot as I kill rats. If I do it well, I can finish looting very shortly after killing everything, or will simply grab everything I can while killing rats, and leave the rest. So I ALWAYS make more looting than not looting.

However, that incentive was just destroyed.

The null cartels move one step closer to their objective of turning high sec into a wasteland.
I wonder what other attacks on high sec we will see in the coming days.

Maybe im just a complete dumbass, or maybe amarr is just a horrible market, but wasnt mission income, even in lvl 4's, about 40% bounty, 50% salvage, and 10% modules, of which 8% is meta 4 (as in not refined, sold on amrket) and the last 2% was the minerals from refined ****-tier crap?

so how is this a huge nerf to mission runners? its not even that much fo a buff for miners, especially high sec ones.

however, if i read it right, POS-based refineries are getting a slight buff maybe i think? if so, thats a HUGE +1

I am a mission running carebear queen, my husband and daughter like to mine together (god only knows why, I find it tedious ). At the most this will give me incentive to blitz most missions for LP and just loot dog tags. It won't drive me into null though, been there, done that, not going back. But really, stop painting the devil on the wall, it is not so bad.

You earn more running missions when blitzing and ignoring loot.

Not only will Miners be getting more out of their ore/ice, there is substantially less minerals coming into the market from loot refinement.

You earn more running missions when blitzing and ignoring loot.

You are not blitzing if you are killing everything.

Well ****, looks like CCP is on the path to fixing Null industry

No.

I loot as I kill rats. If I do it well, I can finish looting very shortly after killing everything, or will simply grab everything I can while killing rats, and leave the rest. So I ALWAYS make more looting than not looting.

However, that incentive was just destroyed.

The null cartels move one step closer to their objective of turning high sec into a wasteland.
I wonder what other attacks on high sec we will see in the coming days.

Folks, read the newest dev blog. The goons in the post are gloating in their posts, so you know it is terrible for high sec.
In a few months, mission runners will now have to invest weeks and weeks of training, plus buy a hideously expensive implant, to get the privilege of a 27.6% nerf to all mission loot refines.

Excellent. When can we expect the Goon departure from high-sec? You have your null sandbox to sh*t all over, so kindly stop f**king around in ours...

It is indeed terrible.
You say you will just blitz for LP.
Well, guess what, everyone will be.
And that drives down the value of your LP, and your ISK per hour.

Welcome to the Eve designed by the null sec cartels.

Actually Dins...he's right...man I feel dirty.
Mission runners bank more by jumping in, blitzing the objective and leaving. Using the lp->isk formula you can then get the lp item thatll max your conversion. Much faster/easier than looting any day of the week.

Talking about industry, why is that survey there? I predict some buff. But first goes the nerf.

holy hell give it a rest.

When can we expect the Goon departure from high-sec?

Why? He's right for the most partGǪ Name one change in the last year that has been aimed at improving gameplay in high-sec? It certainly wasn't any of the mobile units, because these have actually become gank magnets for mission-runnersGǪ It definitely wasn't high-sec POCOs, because these basically nerfed PI income while lining the pockets of null alliancesGǪ I'm still waiting for an expansion that actually focus on and improves gameplay in high-sec.

You need to add LP income to that, it is a large percentage. 50 percent from salvage I think is a bit high.

They wont.

Now they can just more easily compress the material for transit back to null from their high-sec alts, as well as reprocessing ores/ice more efficiently in null itself.

No more need to manufacture the materials into modules for transportation. Now they can not only just flat out transport the material out to null, but they can also reprocess their own ore/ice more efficiently both on the high-sec alts, as well as in null.

Though this is "good" for the free flow of material through the universe, its not so good when it means a 75% null-sec donut can now finally leverage their high-sec resource alts to fully support null efforts.

All that aside, I dont understand why it was necessary to nerf the reprocessing rates on non-ore/ice.

I don't get that part. Seems inconsistent and superfluous to the other changes.

All that aside, I dont understand why it was necessary to nerf the reprocessing rates on non-ore/ice.

I don't get that part. Seems inconsistent and superfluous to the other changes.

i suppose so, but LP is long-term items, and you have to factor in buying tags that arent cheap aswell,depending on which corporation you do missions for.

either way, reward goes then bounties/LP > salvage > meta 4 >>>>>>>meta 0-3 refine, so the refine mienrals are still a VERY small portion of income

Also, our POCO prices are cheaper than the NPC prices were. Your welcome.

Ultimately, the null sec cartels are working towards turning high sec into a wasteland. A lot of new players in high sec are going to be critically hurt by this latest attack, and some will quit the game. But the cartels know that some percentage will actually move to null sec to become serfs, and increase the income of the cartel leadership. It does not matter how much it hurts the overall Eve subscription base, their personal incomes will rise. That is why they made these changes.

Yes, Goons are the greatest gift to high-secGǪ

Also some people don't like the notion of being treated like cattle in some big ass alliance.

Ultimately, the null sec cartels are working towards turning high sec into a wasteland. A lot of new players in high sec are going to be critically hurt by this latest attack, and some will quit the game. But the cartels know that some percentage will actually move to null sec to become serfs, and increase the income of the cartel leadership. It does not matter how much it hurts the overall Eve subscription base, their personal incomes will rise. That is why they made these changes.

Why? He's right for the most partGǪ Name one change in the last year that has been aimed at improving gameplay in high-sec? It certainly wasn't any of the mobile units, because these have actually become gank magnets for mission-runnersGǪ It definitely wasn't high-sec POCOs, because these basically nerfed PI income while lining the pockets of null alliancesGǪ I'm still waiting for an expansion that actually focus on and improves gameplay in high-sec.

The one part I don't get though, is why nerf non-ore/ice reprocessing. If anything, and as has been indicated by many others, the reprocessed loot portion of ISK income in missioning and even ratting/anomaly running is quite small. Why nerf it further? I dont buy the "this will create a new profession of **** module reprocessors for an even smaller return". Makes no sense.

We just got miners another little buff to their income and a reason for them to spread to the other 75% of EVE. Your welcome.

It's why null is a wasteland.

It's why null is a wasteland.

Null could house a lot more players. Easily. But unless you are in a big alliance, you won't gain good foothold in null. Being in a big alliance = you are cattle to them (not even blaming them, the game system forces this at the moment for efficiency reasons).

There's little tactic to null. Mostly just "BRING MOAR NUMBAHS". If your 100 active player alliance is in the way or could even remotely pose a future risk, you'll just be erased from null. End of story. Whatever happened to CCPs plan to inprove the nullsec experience (in terms of profit/risk ratio) for small groups of people? I never saw development in this area. That was several years ago.

Null could house a lot more players. Easily. But unless you are in a big alliance, you won't gain good foothold in null. Being in a big alliance = you are cattle to them (not even blaming them, the game system forces this at the moment for efficiency reasons).

There's little tactic to null. Mostly just "BRING MOAR NUMBAHS". If your 100 active player alliance is in the way or could even remotely pose a future risk, you'll just be erased from null. End of story. Whatever happened to CCPs plan to inprove the nullsec experience (in terms of profit/risk ratio) for small groups of people? I never saw development in this area. That was several years ago.

CCP need to make null worth fighting for first.

The one part I don't get though, is why nerf non-ore/ice reprocessing. If anything, and as has been indicated by many others, the reprocessed loot portion of ISK income in missioning and even ratting/anomaly running is quite small. Why nerf it further? I dont buy the "this will create a new profession of **** module reprocessors for an even smaller return". Makes no sense.

I don't know but it appears to me you guys are fighting for your space in null quite extensively. Or are you telling me you're just doing it out of pity for the poor null space and actually need to run high-sec missions to pay for your expenses in null?

I don't know but it appears to me you guys are fighting for your space in null quite extensively. Or are you telling me you're just doing it out of pity for the poor null space and actually need to run high-sec missions to pay for your expenses in null?

[If you lower reprocessing efficiency, then supplied modules will have their price get depressed as is natural, rather than having high-efficiency reprocessing serve as a relatively high ceiling on the value of modules.

The fact that this reduces income of loot is a byproduct, and its not entirely a negative one. Neither is it particularly important. Its up to players for their behavior to change to reflect changing reality. I see this as a net positive.

Is it any wonder we don't see people trying to take our empty space?

No, no one tries because it has been done and at best lasted a few weeks before being kicked out by the big guys. If it's so worthless, why bother defending your (sometimes large) unused areas?

We don't want the other guy to have it. Its bufferzone.

Root of the problem why no one wants to null. Alliance blob bombs you out as soon as you settle. That's where something has to be done. You have to be able to get your ass in null and stay there without blocking your gameplay 90% of the time by huge fleets near you. This is what CCP wanted to do quite a long time ago already. They never did. Flying around for hours in null fleeing from fights you can't win (you know, the bring more numbers thing) to be able to do half of one anomaly is neither fun nor profitable. I don't have a solution to this problem. I also don't blame you guys for doing what you do (hell, who wouldn't use their power to preserve and reinforce their position). But until something is done about the core problem with null space, me and many other players will stay the hell away.

If hi-sec at some point get so nerfed that you can't do **** in one lifetime, I'd rather stop playing eve than being forced into null space as it is now.

Just to point out, Chribba held sov solo for a rather long time.

Well, this solves all the issues I pointed out for all the other 99.X% of the players who are interested in null space but dislike the current conditions I mentioned earlier.

Well, this solves all the issues I pointed out for all the other 99.X% of the players who are interested in null space but dislike the current conditions I mentioned earlier.

gee i dunno, how about marauders?
exploration changes
deployables (yes the MTU and the MD are great, i use them both extensively in hisec, dunno what your issue is)
ore/ice distribution changes
a huge amount of ship rebalancing, making many t1 battleships viable and rebalancing hacs etc.
new ships
lots of new soe lvl 4's in hisec
changes to factory manager roles and personal hangar array
warp speed changes
graphics changes

How much of it is real knowledge and how much of it is just assumption though?

Not you specifically, just all of us. It's often written on here that gaining sov for a small group is near impossible, but when was the last time one actually tried after looking for a suitable location?

But this drops the value of those items twice. Not only will they not be worth picking up for reprocessing, they will also not be worthwhile to pick up for selling directly. They become trash that never even makes it to market, but remains on wrecks.

Furthermore as less of these make it to market, either as modules or reprocessed minerals, that raises the profits of miners directly as the now only suppliers of minerals to the market.

It is a negative one. Its significance has yet to be gauged depending on how much loot will instead be left in space rather than brought into market to be sold as modules or reprocessed minerals.

Yes, it is up to players up to adapt to changing reality. But this is not a reality yet, and all these changes are an artificial change to that environment, not one that is evolved from or a result of player actions.

Iirc somewhere in the blog it tries to sell this as "an incentive for high-sec players to take on the role of reprocessors", but this will not happen with modules, because the efficiency has been nerfed into the ground on modules that already had very little value to begin with, either in function or as their component minerals.

GÇó ExplorationGǪ the simplified scanning and scatter container game that nerfed exploration income
GÇó Ore/iceGǪ players have been so happy with these, particularly ice fields
GÇó RebalancingGǪ in favor of PvP
GÇó SoE L4sGǪ so we could all pay more for SoE ships while others get them for cost
GÇó New shipsGǪ like the Nestor? lol
GÇó Warp speedGǪ L4 mission nerf
GÇó Graphics changesGǪ how does this benefit high-sec?
GÇó MaraudersGǪ would you like fries with that? See warp speed changes...

Just to point out, Chribba held sov solo for a rather long time.

I don't know but it appears to me you guys are fighting for your space in null quite extensively. Or are you telling me you're just doing it out of pity for the poor null space and actually need to run high-sec missions to pay for your expenses in null?

CCP need to make null worth fighting for first.

null-sec exists since 2003? You say players were fighting in it just for fun? And there was NEVER any reasons to fight for it at all?

Can you think of any reason to invade goon space other than because its goons?

Can you think of any reason to invade goon space other than because its goons?

Folks, read the newest dev blog. The goons in the post are gloating in their posts, so you know it is terrible for high sec.
In a few months, mission runners will now have to invest weeks and weeks of training, plus buy a hideously expensive implant, to get the privilege of a 27.6% nerf to all mission loot refines.

Nobody likes the current sov setup.

But it is better than what we had before.

Or they could all sell the modules to one player with those skills.

Like the large majority of them do anyway

Folks, read the newest dev blog. The goons in the post are gloating in their posts, so you know it is terrible for high sec.
In a few months, mission runners will now have to invest weeks and weeks of training, plus buy a hideously expensive implant, to get the privilege of a 27.6% nerf to all mission loot refines.

Well, this solves all the issues I pointed out for all the other 99.X% of the players who are interested in null space but dislike the current conditions I mentioned earlier.

Yep, null is owned by 2 entities. Or is it 1.

Null is the lame of the game.

Hit that web site sheep, mittens needs moar rmt.

What I don't get is why hi-sec gets nerfed more and more (I can't really remember a single big improvement in the past years). If the goal is to push more people into null: well, some people simply do not want to. I've been there three times, it sucked three times, hard. I've had my share.

Also some people don't like the notion of being treated like cattle in some big ass alliance.

I like how nerf is called "significant improvements" in the article.

CCP is practically a government. At least they use the same methods of crowd control.

Nerfs ARE improvements.

You know, that's kind of why they're done.

Nerfs like this are a direct attack by the null sec cartels against high sec.
So from the perspective of the cartel leadership, who stand to profit quite nicely from this, yeah, it is an improvement.
For everyone in high sec, it is yet another indication of the contempt and hatred null sec dev's have for the largest part of their subscription base.

...it is yet another indication of the contempt and hatred null sec dev's have for the largest part of their subscription base.

So mining is being buffed.

I applaud this wonderful highsec nerf, its just as we discussed at our last lobbying session.

Don't know many mission runners who mine though sir.

Sure you do. All of them soon.

My thought was: "I don't know many mission runners who have heavy refining skills, either."

I was just kidding really. I don't see the sky falling down with this.

A lot of the discussion in the dev post is positive towards the few changes announced so far.

Nerfs like this are a direct attack by the null sec cartels against high sec.

So from the perspective of the cartel leadership, who stand to profit quite nicely from this, yeah, it is an improvement.

For everyone in high sec, it is yet another indication of the contempt and hatred null sec dev's have for the largest part of their subscription base.

And they're not nullsec devs. They're devs.

Never really got the whole "Goonspiracy" thing, on how goons somehow "control" CCP.

It's weird cognitive dissonance. On one hand, our local conspiracy buffs will tell us that goons have so much powers over CCP, because with a snap of the finger, Mittens can force all goons to quit Eve, which would cost CCP all their revenue....

Yet, on the other side, CCP should never ever make changes to highsec, because the vast majority of players live in highsec and changes that benefit null are worthless to most players etc.

I mean, which is it?

On one hand, our local conspiracy buffs will tell us that goons have so much powers over CCP, because with a snap of the finger, Mittens can force all goons to quit Eve, which would cost CCP all their revenue....

Of course the conspiracy buffs don't realize that if The Mittani actually told us to stop playing EVE, the majority of us would tell him to go **** himself.

Fortunately he's not going to.

No, nerfs like this are a change in the game by made by CCP.
It's not an attack against high-sec, any more than a nerf to moon goo was an attack against us (it wasn't).


Why shouldn't we (all of us in the "cartels", not just the leadership) profit from infrastructure that thousands of us had to fight for, and that our alliance had to spend significant resources developing?


That's pretty funny considering null sec players probably contribute more to your subscriber base, considering that these nerfs don't actually hurt you much if at all, considering some high sec players will probably stand to profit from this, and considering that game balance is important regardless of who benefits from changes intended to restore that balance.

The moon goo changes were not a nerf for null sec per se.

Never really got the whole "Goonspiracy" thing, on how goons somehow "control" CCP.

It's weird cognitive dissonance. On one hand, our local conspiracy buffs will tell us that goons have so much powers over CCP, because with a snap of the finger, Mittens can force all goons to quit Eve, which would cost CCP all their revenue....

Yet, on the other side, CCP should never ever make changes to highsec, because the vast majority of players live in highsec and changes that benefit null are worthless to most players etc.

I mean, which is it?

Tell you what.
How about we play a game.

You name dev's that were hired that played a high sec casual gamestyle, and I will name dev's that were handpicked from null sec cartels.

Let's see who makes a longer list.

And yes, when the CSM riddled with null sec cartel lobbyists gets together with the dev's that just came over from the same null sec cartels, they simply are deciding how quickly to crank up the heat on the frog. Now THAT is a delicate balance: how much they can screw high sec without causing a significant dip in sub's. Bottom line, high sec is in far far worse shape today than it was 3 or 4 years ago.

I can't believe I am actually trying to converse with a griefer from the new order. This is lunacy.

It's like claiming a business is prejudiced because they don't have any gingers on their staff. Either the gingers just didn't apply, or they weren't up to snuff. Occam's Razor, yeesh. Stop trying to grab smoke to justify your hatred of the real players.

Tell you what.
How about we play a game.

You name dev's that were hired that played a high sec casual gamestyle

And yes, when the CSM riddled with null sec cartel lobbyists

gets together with the dev's that just came over from the same null sec cartels

they simply are deciding how quickly to crank up the heat on the frog. Now THAT is a delicate balance: how much they can screw high sec without causing a significant dip in sub's.

Bottom line, high sec is in far far worse shape today than it was 3 or 4 years ago.

I like how nerf is called "significant improvements" in the article.

CCP is practically a government. At least they use the same methods of crowd control.

More proof that CCP devs only play eve on their 500m SP supertoons and haven't tried starting a new toon from scratch.

Can you think of any reason to invade goon space other than because its goons?

Tell you what.
How about we play a game.

You name dev's that were hired that played a high sec casual gamestyle, and I will name dev's that were handpicked from null sec cartels.

Let's see who makes a longer list.

And yes, when the CSM riddled with null sec cartel lobbyists gets together with the dev's that just came over from the same null sec cartels, they simply are deciding how quickly to crank up the heat on the frog. Now THAT is a delicate balance: how much they can screw high sec without causing a significant dip in sub's. Bottom line, high sec is in far far worse shape today than it was 3 or 4 years ago.

I can't believe I am actually trying to converse with a griefer from the new order. This is lunacy.

Best solution.

Blitz and ignore loot.

Churn more missions and trade LP for all those lovely Sisters Probes and Virtual Implants and let the loot rot.

You actually make more ISK.

Back on topic though, Devblog full of delicious changes. it'll be interesting to see how this all plays out. I will say, though, I'm loving the idea of leveling all the batches at 100.

And yes, when the CSM riddled with null sec cartel lobbyists gets together with the dev's that just came over from the same null sec cartels, they simply are deciding how quickly to crank up the heat on the frog. Now THAT is a delicate balance: how much they can screw high sec without causing a significant dip in sub's. Bottom line, high sec is in far far worse shape today than it was 3 or 4 years ago.

Until then, I counter your assertion with this: your "nullsec cartel devs" come from a pool of people who are insanely devoted to EVE, hence apply for a position when one opens. The "casual highsec player", being casual, and highsec, has no devotion, so doesn't apply.

It's lovely how you can square the playerbase in such precise brackets:

- Hi sec player for you (and not just you) = a poor moron who should possibly die in a fire ASAP. No knowledge of the game, no passion he's just playing EvE by random chance, in between of WoW PvE sessions. He's also a nerd, 15 old and he'll become a red neck.

- Null sec: divinity incarnated with passion and vast knowledge of thegame. Tall, blonde, and blue eyed, bound to become an Hollywood personality, girls fall on their knees as he passes by.



Did I picture it well enough?


It never occurs to you that maybe the "random hi seccer noob-should-defintely-die-young" maybe is a 3 children father who actually got a life so he has to put those as top priority instead of showing "heroic devotion"?


Now, please return to your "CODE" and spew some more verdicts on macro-categories. It fits with the organization.

The pos module changes are the biggies for me. That is a huge buff to stationless dead end mining in highsec (and stationless mining in any sec). Above all else it means ore can be mined, warped to a pos, reprocced and compressed and shipped with a blockade runner. With 425mm's the BR used to shift about 450m, but it was never practical to mine the basket for 425s in any one place.

The pos modules remain blockade runner scope for yanking too - so you can deadstick a pos between sessions so it doesn't chew fuel.

I'm interested in seeing just how much more industry this change kicks up, across all secs. Minerals are almost like a psuedo currency in EVE, so anything that makes moving minerals around is going to encourage more use.

It'd be funny if the mineral market got even stronger, due to ease of moving mins to null for supercap construction. Grrr, those evil nullsec cartels, making things better for people. Grr I say!

Talk about your strawman. She didn't say "go die", or anything of the sort. In fact, she's easily one of the most polite people I've ever encountered in EVE.

You're just wildly grasping for something to prop up your bullshit arguments.

So I'll spell it out for you. If you're a "highsec player" you do not know or care enough about the game to be remotely qualifed to be a dev.

It's the same reason why nullsec has more CSM chairs. Because you halfwits can't figure out how to vote, or you can't be asked.

The end.

I have no arguments to prop up.

In ANY CASE I shall make massive money, either on the likes of her, on miners and on you.

Also, I have always voted people who are estimated, famous EvE software creators and they know EvE well enough to have reverse engineered the formulas so STFU with your own BS propaganda.

It's not because "nullsec" are more qualified or anything, it's just demographics that CCP runs and found out which playerbase to push. It's not grand player qualities like you delude yourself a category got, but large number law of paying subscribers fidelization and other marketing department material.

CCP means Crowd Control Production and you are exactly their ideal target.

It never occurs to you that maybe the "random hi seccer noob-should-defintely-die-young" maybe is a 3 children father who actually got a life so he has to put those as top priority instead of showing "heroic devotion"?


Now, please return to your "CODE" and spew some more verdicts on macro-categories. It fits with the organization.

In ANY CASE I shall make massive money, either on the likes of her, on miners and on you.

I don't speak street corner derelict, can anyone translate this for me?

The "casual highsec player", being casual, and highsec, has no devotion, so doesn't apply.

So I'll spell it out for you. If you're a "highsec player" you do not know or care enough about the game to be remotely qualifed to be a dev.

Talk about your strawman. She didn't say "go die", or anything of the sort. In fact, she's easily one of the most polite people I've ever encountered in EVE.

You're just wildly grasping for something to prop up your bullshit arguments.

So I'll spell it out for you. If you're a "highsec player" you do not know or care enough about the game to be remotely qualifed to be a dev.

It's the same reason why nullsec has more CSM chairs. Because you halfwits can't figure out how to vote, or you can't be asked.

The end.

Tell you what.
How about we play a game.

You name dev's that were hired that played a high sec casual gamestyle, and I will name dev's that were handpicked from null sec cartels.

Its something of a strawman argument since its trivially easy to join a nullsec organisation that has no requirement for strategic level availability. ie plenty of nullbears exist, and the only thing setting them apart from a high sec player is more acceptance of ones own role in keeping ones ships safe.

It's unbelievable the superiority complex some of you have. I've been paying for playing Eve for almost 10 years as a casual carebear through thick and thin. But don't let that stop you from telling me how little "devotion" and "care" I have for this game.

Which is also a form of PVP, extortion, griefing, robbery etc etc. This is why no-one likes bankers anymore, we can see you smirking. You're just using a specific niche to pirate and claiming some sort of ethical superiority, because no weapons were fired. And you were polite about it.

There are plenty of people with fingers in many aspects of the game, I've yet to see any one of them crying because highsec just got a well-deserved nerf. Actually a lot of them seemed to be furiously and gleefully spreadsheeting. In between laughing at Dinsdale & co.

Going by your reasoning Punkturis should not even be remotely qualified to be a Eve Dev due to the above statement.

(Dislamimer: I have no knowledge of Punturis' previous experience and i would expect that she was employed based upon merit rather than knowledge of the game and having played it previously).

Cheers,

AA

It's lovely how you can square the playerbase in such precise brackets:

It's unbelievable the superiority complex some of you have. I've been paying for playing Eve for almost 10 years as a casual carebear through thick and thin. But don't let that stop you from telling me how little "devotion" and "care" I have for this game.

I am not a banker, I am not smirking nor claiming ethical superiority.
I am going to strip people off their money fair and square like I have always done, and if they don't like it, they can kiss my butt cheeks.

Bingo.

But if you're going to recruit from the playerbase? Then they'd best know what they're doing.

And like I said, the typical "highsec player" (please note the quote marks), is quite simply utterly unqualified. Dinsdale seems to think we need some kind of quota, bringing in unqualified people to be devs simply because they are from highsec.

I find that to be yet another example of highsec trying to dumb down the game.

I am looking at an overall view of the point that was made. Irrespective of where a person comes from, whetehr they have or have not played the game, my expectaion would be that they were hired based upon their ability and their merit as a developer.

You are making an assumption that just because a person plays in high se, they have no care factor or knowledge that would make them a good developer. Yes i agree with you that having played the game, you would understand the pain points, but i would also expect that they would look for feed back even if they didn't.

Noone's actually making that assumption. They're making fun of Dinsdale's bad logic and insane 'highsec vs. nullsec' conspiracy theories. Noone reasonable believes in 'highsec vs. nullsec'. This thread is not at all serious.

I am looking at an overall view of the point that was made. Irrespective of where a person comes from, whetehr they have or have not played the game, my expectaion would be that they were hired based upon their ability and their merit as a developer.

You are making an assumption that just because a person plays in high se, they have no care factor or knowledge that would make them a good developer. Yes i agree with you that having played the game, you would understand the pain points, but i would also expect that they would look for feed back even if they didn't.

I admit, I don't know half about this game as some others, but from my view, we should be looking at ways to make this game enjoyable for all playing styles, so that the game keeps going strong for years to come and doesn't just fade away.

Kaarous, nothing against you mate, as i enjoy your passion for the game. I may not agree with some of your points, but i like that you care enough about the game to take the time to post them, so keep posting!! (and no sarcasm in my statement)

Cheers,

AA

Aww, you gave it all away. They need spoiler tags for this forum.

Well played mate GF

My point still stands though

Unlike others i can accept being trolled...BTW you hide the green fur well, how much does the waxing cost you?

Folks, read the newest dev blog. The goons in the post are gloating in their posts, so you know it is terrible for high sec.
In a few months, mission runners will now have to invest weeks and weeks of training, plus buy a hideously expensive implant, to get the privilege of a 27.6% nerf to all mission loot refines.

It's a Dinsdale thread, mate. No one here is being serious but him. And the running theory is that he's a Goon alt for trolling anyway.

And it's scales, not fur. Much easier to keep clean, especially when I spill icecream on my supposed neckbeard.

Folks, read the newest dev blog. The goons in the post are gloating in their posts, so you know it is terrible for high sec.
In a few months, mission runners will now have to invest weeks and weeks of training, plus buy a hideously expensive implant, to get the privilege of a 27.6% nerf to all mission loot refines.

Never really got the whole "Goonspiracy" thing, on how goons somehow "control" CCP.

It's weird cognitive dissonance. On one hand, our local conspiracy buffs will tell us that goons have so much powers over CCP, because with a snap of the finger, Mittens can force all goons to quit Eve, which would cost CCP all their revenue....

Yet, on the other side, CCP should never ever make changes to highsec, because the vast majority of players live in highsec and changes that benefit null are worthless to most players etc.

I mean, which is it?

So I'll spell it out for you. If you're a "highsec player" you do not know or care enough about the game to be remotely qualifed to be a dev.

It's the same reason why nullsec has more CSM chairs. Because you halfwits can't figure out how to vote, or you can't be asked.

The end.

Highsec can suck it. Lowsec is the one who gets hit most by this. Most Lowsec mission runners use Minerals from reprocessing to build ships with BPOs they buy with LP. Now with roughly 30% of that being taken away it amounts only to another blow to living in lowsec.

What is the casual carebear doing other than hoovering up resources and ISK other players might use to fund warfare, in a war game. Then doing nothing with it other than show off, fit ludicrous ships, tell everyone how awesome they are or fund their extortion of other players on the market. Fair enough, some want to play a friendly, co-operative game with like minded people. It's lunacy for them to label everyone else as murdering sociopaths simply because they actually want to fire their weapons against non-NPCs. Particularly as it takes a hell of a lot of trust and co-operation to run successful pvp corps in the first place.

Perhaps we should consider farmers as the capitalist pig overlords vs the socialist freedom fighter rebels to get a better idea of why the styles of gameplay are so diametrically opposed. At least the blobbers get SRP, even if that entails being a serf. Farmers are literally leeching ISK from everyone else, and throw a huge tantrum when people point out that they aren't spending it on anything worthwhile anyway.

Auditors, accountants and stock brokers are equally vile. Actually, we all are when we participate in an exploitative loop. Hence Engel's remarks , which you should really start paying attention to when you simultaneously prance about how much money you are making via rl trading vs your 'charitable endeavours'.
"placing yourselves before the world as mighty benefactors of humanity when you give back to the plundered victims the hundredth part of what belongs to them"

You do realize that Socialism/Communism is responsible for killing more innocent people in the 20th century than the ***** right?
Where in space are you, you ******* communist pig?

It is precisely an attack on the mission runners.
Or anyone who reprocesses modules in high sec particularly.

I called this attack on high sec for the past winter release.
Guess I was off by 6 months.
Now waiting for the other "balances" coming with this release to further ruin high sec for the benefit of the cartels.

I think you may be mixing up economic distribution and welfare systems with the actions of nation states that happen to make use of those systems. A similar mistake can be made with the actions of the USA and capitalism.

This thread got interesting at first, now it's just gonna be a political cesspool I guess.

Typical tactics. Null sec cartel propagandists want the thread closed, so they hotdrop their thread derailers.

This would be a nerf for ratters. Not that I mind. The big $$$ is in the meta 4 stuff, but now the junk will really be junk.

Most serious ratters are like mission runners and either blitz completely or cherry pick the high value loot and leave the rest for the ninjas.

Cherry picking loot has become even easier if you are game to use an MTU as you no longer need to cargo scan wrecks, just pull them all in, scoop the MTU, sort the can by value, and just take anything worth more than half a mill and dump the rest.

I wonder if they will eventually add a deployable salvager with similar functionality.

I have no idea how they could do it, or what it would look like but it would be nice if they refined the Salvage 'career' a little bit... give Marauders even more of a niche. Not that marauders aren't particularly useful, just think that tractor bonus is REALLY dated now.

Null sec cartel propagandists want the thread closed, so they hotdrop their thread derailers.

I'm not happy about this nerf because I do mineral compression to support our supercapital builders. But I accept that mineral compression has needed a nerf and I've personally advocated for such a nerf in the past, so I'm ultimately fine with it.

Hisec babbies that wail about every little change that affects their horribly suboptimal mission running are literally the least affected by this change

The only reason you 'accept' this is because you know it won't really be more than an slight inconvienence to you.... To a mission runner with a certain playstyle this essentially means the end of his/her playstyle. Which is not inherently a bad deal, I don't think this will make a huge impact on missioning as a whole, most of the good income for me has come from selling meta modules and LP.