With the max reprocessing rate for any item that is not ore or ice dropping to 55%(with Scrapmetal Processing trained at 5), we needed to find other ways to favor compression or else null-security industry would simply stop functioning.

At the time we discovered the exploit in early December, there were 232 reactors running in the bugged state. Those were installed at 178 POS complexes owned by seven corporations. The scale of the operations differed quite a bit, with one corporation running 81 bugged reactors and another with 3 reactors active.

I could be wrong, but I'd be guessing that currently, 2% of Trit supply is reprocessed rat drops, 75% highsec miners, and 23% miners in other space.

If supply drops 2%, I can see that causing a price change, but not a big one.

Good luck with your speculation, I will remain deeply invested in Rattlesnakes instead.

I dunno Sabriz, NPC drops if you look at the piles of trit in mining systems vs ratting systems is pretty even and I'd say there is more in ratting then mining because the ratters build ammo and things that ratters just dont need. I also live in 0.0 and using 1 mining toon, my guys who rat and get the loot can outdo me in lowend minerals so much so I buy from them and mostly get highends. I do strip the belts clean.

Mission drops have been almost worthless since they got nerfed two or three times in the last couple of years. Taking tips from Block? I don't think it worked out for him either.



Should've dumped the rattlers at 480 :p.

Not sure how your analysis holds up when you consider that they are increasing the amount of minerals you receive when you reprocess. The net effect will be zero or somewhere close to it.

A character that has perfect skills/standings who reprocesses at a 50% station with all skills maxed but without the 4% implant will have 2.8% less reprocessed minerals than currently.

someone with perfect skills, implant and standings refining at a fully upgraded Minmatar outpost will receive 14.4% more reprocessed minerals than currently

that 4% implant is 300 million or so.

It's not exactly a huge roadblock.

What is actually required for it to enter the economy?

If I knew the implant's name I'd research it, but is it an LP item? Rare drop? Both?

I think there is some merit in what the OP says. My experience in null was that most people who need minerals rat rather than mine. Ratting gives you money + loot to refine for minerals and ratting in null was much more profitable than mining. Plus with ratting you have a chance at a good drop now and then that could be worth hundreds of millions.
Not saying it will be a big increase but when it goes live I would bet we see some upward movement in price. At the very least due to peoples inability to read the actual change log and just freak out.

Zainou 'Beancounter' Refining RX-804

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There might be a bit of a bump in mineral prices, but I doubt it will be spectacular. You did miss something though, but I'll leave it to you to wonder what, cos I'm mean.

Some stuff was left out on prupose.

Bottom line, trit is for sure not going to go down unless they introduce changes to mining beyond the batch sizes and mineral yields.

Personally, I'm looking forward to more ore in compressed form moving around highsec in freighters.

This is the best and most true post you have ever made on these fine forums.

Freighter full of compressed glazed hedbergite please....

After the patch the demand will be for compressed ore, not minerals. The big consumers of trit will be buying compressed veld and compressed pyerite. Good luck offloading your trit. Or moving it.

Disagree - ore in both compressed and uncompressed forms will be more readily available on the market than now but prices of both ore and the minerals will track each other and there will continue to be a healthy market for raw minerals for people who don't want or feel the need to take the time to train perfect refining skills just to run their production lines.

absent further changes, trit and pyerite go down (not up) because suddenly anything manufactured in nullsec requires about 13-14% less mining man-hours it did before. consequently, demand for mining man-hours goes down and with it the cost of what is produced with mining man-hours: minerals

Is this, "minerals from thin air" confirmed or just the result of the formulas?

Only takes one line of code to eliminate magic minerals:

if (refine_rate > 100) refine_rate == 100;



If CCP allows minerals to be created from thin air, then they are doing it wrong.

CCP is adding new minerals to all of the ores. This is a confirmed plan but subject to modification. All ores will suddenly have more minerals in them after the Summer Expansion. This is like the ships which suddenly needed more minerals to build. Those minerals will only be able to be accessed via POS refining or upgraded player owned stations. In the best case (fully upgraded Minmatar player owned station) a person will be able to refine 20% more minerals from the same ore.

The refining rate is also being changed at the same time. New refining rate != Old refining rate (does not equal).

The 13-14% less mining man-hours is simply Weaselior's prediction based on his expectations and the numbers we have.

People keep saying 20%. Where is that % coming from? From what I've seen it will be an increase of 14.4% over high sec max. Or do you mean 20% more than is current, with high sec also receiving more at maximum?

Is this, "minerals from thin air" confirmed or just the result of the formulas?

Only takes one line of code to eliminate magic minerals:

if (refine_rate > 100) refine_rate == 100;



If CCP allows minerals to be created from thin air, then they are doing it wrong.

According to the dev blog Veldspar is gaining 38.3 percent more Tritanium, multiply that by 72.4 percent (best high sec station refine post patch) and you get 1.001292 times current the Tritanium you can get right now from Veldspar with a 100 prcenter-ôfine, using an 86 percent refine you get about 1.18 time the Tritanium you can today.

Fair enough, perhaps I am misreading the context of some of these numbers. Just so long as minerals aren't magicly poofing into existance, we're good.

Fair enough, perhaps I am misreading the context of some of these numbers. Just so long as minerals aren't magicly poofing into existance, we're good.

All of you are forgetting the fact that they are AGAIN taking out a huge chunk of the mineral supply out of the game. Reprocessed low meta mission drops are a significant portion of the mineral supply. Just like post-drone region changes, we will see a around 20% increase in trit prices (prechanges trit was around 4.1 isk per unit).

The amount of trit vomited into the economy by the botted and the ISOboxed fleets (and the rare actual multiplayer fleet) in highsec is tremendous, however. We are talking over a trillion units a month. Ratters (even the rare breed that scoops every single thing with an MTU) are nothing next to that.

Nullsec mining, by design, is somewhat low on the Trit/Pyerite/Mex drops even after the recent changes. CCP's design intention is that nullsec is a net exporter of Morphite, Zydrine, Megacyte, Nocxicum and Isogen and a net importer of the others.

Now in a solidly locked down 0.0 system, an organised group might get a fair bit of reprocessable loot by dropping and bookmarking MTUs in each anomoly, then having one person come around once per hour in an Iteron scooping all of them. But that would be several ratters feeding one reprocessing alt. And they aren't getting anywhere near the volumes of minerals highsec vomits out.