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Prince Kobol
1449
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Posted - 2014.03.22 14:30:00 -
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Again, this has nothing to do with numbers but having something worth fighting for and unfortunately due to the game mechanics a large portion of null sec is simply not worth the effort for new groups to form and take on other established alliances.
Why should somebody go to the massive amount time, effort and frustration it takes to form and run an alliance to try and take space from an existing alliance based in null.
What we need is more conflict drivers, a new way of capturing Sov that doesn't require bashing down a number of structures with millions of EHP, an over whelming advantage to the defender and something lets both forces disrupt local if only for a brief time.
I personally have no idea what the solution is, however I have read many of a forum post over the years with some great ideas that deserve considerate and discussion with CCP and the CSM. |
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
1133
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Posted - 2014.03.22 18:19:00 -
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ImYourMom wrote:http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Northern_Associates. http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Greater_Western_Co-Prosperity_Spherehttp://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Darkness._CitizensAll these are rental, nearly 17 regions and god knows how many systems abut 600+. and thats not all of them. So is it just me seeing something fundamentally wrong here? this is why we need multiple worlds jus tlike every other MMO or make some fundamental changes that stop this . Becuase alliances like this just control everything, and always will, and most of all this surely isnt what eve was supposed to be about was it? personally i would like all nullsec to be npc or sov costs need to go up massively.
Don't like how it is? Can't be bothered to do anything about it yourself?
I heard "Fix it for me, I don't want to actually work to have sov..."
Oh and no comprende "sandbox"?
CCP: "We know what's best for the game, so you can't have any options....." |
Tear Jar
The Conference Elite CODE.
20
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Posted - 2014.03.22 19:15:00 -
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Silvetica Dian wrote:ImYourMom wrote:http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Northern_Associates. http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Greater_Western_Co-Prosperity_Spherehttp://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Darkness._CitizensAll these are rental, nearly 17 regions and god knows how many systems abut 600+. and thats not all of them. So is it just me seeing something fundamentally wrong here? this is why we need multiple worlds jus tlike every other MMO or make some fundamental changes that stop this . Becuase alliances like this just control everything, and always will, and most of all this surely isnt what eve was supposed to be about was it? personally i would like all nullsec to be npc. I live in null I am not affliated to any sov holding group and don't rent. Some of the renters have nice space that they don't defend and i lightly populated. great for running sigs or killing their ratters. There are certainly problems but multishard ain't the solution. People aren't sure what is though and we all have options within the current system. I believe the biggest corp in the game has just entered the null scene and has grown from scratch in about a year so someone can clearly still make an impact with hard work
Brave is only allowed in null because they aren't interested in challenging the hegimony. They were given awful space that sov factions don't bother with. The null coalitions like them because they generate content(through cheap ship battles) without threatening sov.
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Tear Jar
The Conference Elite CODE.
20
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Posted - 2014.03.22 19:18:00 -
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Silvetica Dian wrote:ImYourMom wrote:Himnos Altar wrote:ImYourMom wrote:Really yeah ill just spin up a 10000 man coaliion that has 10000000 titans and supers.. Brave Newbies did it. And you've heard the stories of how the Brave boys got their start, right? so it's not out of the realm of possibility. errrmmm they will never ever ever taken regions though will they. is not quite the same calibre is it, and every ohe coaltion that has tried has failed. Goons and TEST started the same way and both have or do own regions.
No they didn't. Goons and Test literally had the exact opposite start as Brave. Goons and Test started with an exclusive core userbase (Something Awful/Reddit), which they recruited from. They also went in with the goal of taking sov. By contrast, Brave's core userbase is newbies from all sectors of the game and have had no goal beyond fights. |
Bael Malefic
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
14
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Posted - 2014.03.22 19:36:00 -
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The obvious answer:
Do unto the Goons as they did unto BoB.
'Tis a matter of time before one or more Awoxers bust it up from within. Or until one faction or another becomes disenchanted with the lemmingness of it all and lashes out.
Folks moan about somebody else winning. I say, get over it. You want to change things? Observe what they are doing. Analyze it. Find the weaknesses (there always are some). Exploit them.
Too lazy to do that?
Then shut up.
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Toshiro Ozuwara
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
377
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Posted - 2014.03.22 20:04:00 -
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Tear Jar wrote:Brave is only allowed in null because they aren't interested in challenging the hegimony. They were given awful space that sov factions don't bother with. The null coalitions like them because they generate content(through cheap ship battles) without threatening sov.
Technically, Brave is not in null. Brave is basing out of Sendaya.
You're right about why Brave is tolerated. They feed kills in huge numbers to everyone who comes around. Why wouldn't you keep a bunch of newer players around, many of whom fund their own PvP, to continue smashing their ships into you?
I'm not judging, a lot of the players in Brave think that's fun, and who am I to argue with them, but as wallets run dry, I am sure attitudes will change a bit. They thought they could get away.-áNot today, it's not the way that this kid plays. |
Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
340
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Posted - 2014.03.22 22:09:00 -
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mynnna wrote:Jessica Duranin wrote:Just get rid of sov, completely.
Look at w-space: we don't have sov there, yet people still own systems. You use and defend a system -> you own it. Simple as that. If someone comes and throws you out of your system it's usually because they either want to use your space themselves, or because you pi*sed them of in some way - not because they just wanted to put their sticker on some map, which sadly is what most of sov 0.0 looks like today. You can roam safely through most parts of space that those sov alliances "own", pull shiny loot out of their DED and exploration sites, completely unchallenged... as long as you don't dare touching their sticker on the map. If someone in w-space would just even think about touching the anoms in our home system, we would pod them back to k-space immediately. You know what the point of having different areas of space with different mechanics is? It's so that there is variety. You know what making nullsec work just like wspace would do? Eliminate variety. The current situation is a result of the fact that there is no compelling alternative. There is no reason not to take as much space as you possibly can and in fact doing so is the optimal choice, as there are no mechanics, no incentives, no rewards for choosing to hold a smaller footprint. The wealth and thus of ones empire is directly related to its size, so those who try to (or are forced to) stay small have died out. Create the means to make maintaining a smaller but far more developed area of space competitive and you'll be a long way towards changing it.
Removing sov would meet all those goals. Being able to use caps and super caps with relative ease the "variety" between null and w-space. Look at how narrow the "variety" is between low and null.
Removing sov would be a great step towards fixing sov. W-space, without mass limitations and with instant intel and clear logistical routes, seems like a no-brainer when the alternative is renter empires and structure grinding. I am not an alt of Chribba. |
Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
340
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Posted - 2014.03.22 22:26:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Yeah maybe because the map of Daves forest which I conveniently linked shows the entire forest is full of trolls... ffs go and look at your map, it quite clearly doesn't show that. there's more than one colour on it, along with the fact that your other link shows that the trolls quite clearly account for less than half the population of the forest. again, which mechanic is stopping players doing something about trolls inhabiting less than half of the forest?
I commend your dedication to the whole "what mechanic" bit but at this point you just come across as having a learning disability.
No, not Infinity. You.
There are 15 yearoold boys all over the world who have EVERYTHING figured out, and re shocked that nobody else seems to "get it." Those 15 year old boys are developing the ability to both think in the abstract and, at the same time, simplify things down to absolute (to them) truths.
Most of those boys grow up and, though life experiences, start looking at things in a far more practical and realistic light. Those boys grow up to be men who understand nuance, and see how things really work instead of how they are "supposed" to work or how they "ideally" work. Some of them even look at WHY things work the way they work, and wonder whether the way things actually work is at cross purposes to the stated goal of whatever is being analyzed.
But some of the truly special keep asking the same inane question over and over, competing in their own brand of Socratic Special Olympics because they think they are being both clever and educational.
You're not being clever. You're not leading anyone to the "truth." You've just got a naive and pretty stupid grasp of one aspect of a video game. But god bless, keep on keeping on.
I am not an alt of Chribba. |
Adrie Atticus
Unicorn Love Hurts
44
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Posted - 2014.03.22 22:32:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Lothros Andastar wrote:If you don't like people renting space then form an Alliance, kick out the people who own the space and don't rent it out. Awesome idea. Let me call 39,000 friends and we'll form an alliance. Because that's how many people CFC have managed to get together.
IF CFC really had 39k (or 37k) active combat pilots with the normal 50-60% in capitals, they could take the totality of Provi and Catch in a single reinforcement timer. Just because someone has X members doesn't mean they all will have the same goals, same ideas and actually have that amount of unique characters even online at any given time.
Why hasn't HERO been kicked out of Catch yet, they only have 3 systems which are not ihubbed yet and are surrounded by 8.3k locals (INIT, AA, CVA, APOC, VOLT)? Because they don't have those 8300 players online at all times to just throw around willy nilly. Same goes for CFC.
Besides, russians will turn against mittani soon anyways, it's already in the air. |
Dominic karin
Trojan Legion Fidelas Constans
32
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Posted - 2014.03.22 23:56:00 -
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ImYourMom wrote:http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Northern_Associates. http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Greater_Western_Co-Prosperity_Spherehttp://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Darkness._CitizensAll these are rental, nearly 17 regions and god knows how many systems abut 600+. and thats not all of them. So is it just me seeing something fundamentally wrong here? this is why we need multiple worlds jus tlike every other MMO or make some fundamental changes that stop this . Becuase alliances like this just control everything, and always will, and most of all this surely isnt what eve was supposed to be about was it? personally i would like all nullsec to be npc or sov costs need to go up massively.
Posting in a not-so-stealth fix sov thread. |
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Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1516
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Posted - 2014.03.23 00:42:00 -
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Bael Malefic wrote:The obvious answer:
Do unto the Goons as they did unto BoB.
'Tis a matter of time before one or more Awoxers bust it up from within. Or until one faction or another becomes disenchanted with the lemmingness of it all and lashes out.
Folks moan about somebody else winning. I say, get over it. You want to change things? Observe what they are doing. Analyze it. Find the weaknesses (there always are some). Exploit them.
Assuming it's remotely possible, I'm pretty sure people unhappy with a system that forces two sides at best aren't interested in going through the effort of replacing Goons just to have exactly the same system in place with someone else in charge.
If you recalled the Goons started out detesting BoB, and what they stood for. Funny how quickly things change. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
1899
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Posted - 2014.03.23 02:44:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:Bael Malefic wrote:The obvious answer:
Do unto the Goons as they did unto BoB.
'Tis a matter of time before one or more Awoxers bust it up from within. Or until one faction or another becomes disenchanted with the lemmingness of it all and lashes out.
Folks moan about somebody else winning. I say, get over it. You want to change things? Observe what they are doing. Analyze it. Find the weaknesses (there always are some). Exploit them.
Assuming it's remotely possible, I'm pretty sure people unhappy with a system that forces two sides at best aren't interested in going through the effort of replacing Goons just to have exactly the same system in place with someone else in charge. If you recalled the Goons started out detesting BoB, and what they stood for. Funny how quickly things change. And BoB wasn't propped up by auto-mails and timers. Can you imagine how much whining would have occurred if Goons had to wait 24hrs each time they wanted to attack BoB so BoB could get as many players as possible to wipe the floor with the Goons.
Want to make billions a week solo running combat sites in null sec? -á Read my Exploratation Guide here -> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=309467 |
Vladimir Norkoff
Income Redistribution Service
336
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Posted - 2014.03.23 04:11:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:And BoB wasn't propped up by auto-mails and timers. Can you imagine how much whining would have occurred if Goons had to wait 24hrs each time they wanted to attack BoB so BoB could get as many players as possible to wipe the floor with the Goons. So there were no Stront timers during the 1st and 2nd Great Wars? Interesting. Please tell us more....
While you are at it, perhaps you could explain how auto-mails and timers would have helped with Haargoth, the PR hellcamp, and losing all their cynojammers. I despise Goonies as much as any sane rational person, but come on man... |
Rhes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
751
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Posted - 2014.03.23 04:54:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Sentamon wrote:Bael Malefic wrote:The obvious answer:
Do unto the Goons as they did unto BoB.
'Tis a matter of time before one or more Awoxers bust it up from within. Or until one faction or another becomes disenchanted with the lemmingness of it all and lashes out.
Folks moan about somebody else winning. I say, get over it. You want to change things? Observe what they are doing. Analyze it. Find the weaknesses (there always are some). Exploit them.
Assuming it's remotely possible, I'm pretty sure people unhappy with a system that forces two sides at best aren't interested in going through the effort of replacing Goons just to have exactly the same system in place with someone else in charge. If you recalled the Goons started out detesting BoB, and what they stood for. Funny how quickly things change. And BoB wasn't propped up by auto-mails and timers. Can you imagine how much whining would have occurred if Goons had to wait 24hrs each time they wanted to attack BoB so BoB could get as many players as possible to wipe the floor with the Goons.
Your lack of knowledge about how sov mechanics work (and used to work) is breathtaking considering how often you post about them.
EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
3340
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Posted - 2014.03.23 04:56:00 -
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Rhes wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Sentamon wrote:Bael Malefic wrote:The obvious answer:
Do unto the Goons as they did unto BoB.
'Tis a matter of time before one or more Awoxers bust it up from within. Or until one faction or another becomes disenchanted with the lemmingness of it all and lashes out.
Folks moan about somebody else winning. I say, get over it. You want to change things? Observe what they are doing. Analyze it. Find the weaknesses (there always are some). Exploit them.
Assuming it's remotely possible, I'm pretty sure people unhappy with a system that forces two sides at best aren't interested in going through the effort of replacing Goons just to have exactly the same system in place with someone else in charge. If you recalled the Goons started out detesting BoB, and what they stood for. Funny how quickly things change. And BoB wasn't propped up by auto-mails and timers. Can you imagine how much whining would have occurred if Goons had to wait 24hrs each time they wanted to attack BoB so BoB could get as many players as possible to wipe the floor with the Goons. Your lack of knowledge about how sov mechanics work (and used to work) is breathtaking considering how often you post about them.
At least he didn't bring up pocos as sov assets again... Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
1899
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Posted - 2014.03.23 06:36:00 -
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Rhes wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Sentamon wrote:Bael Malefic wrote:The obvious answer:
Do unto the Goons as they did unto BoB.
'Tis a matter of time before one or more Awoxers bust it up from within. Or until one faction or another becomes disenchanted with the lemmingness of it all and lashes out.
Folks moan about somebody else winning. I say, get over it. You want to change things? Observe what they are doing. Analyze it. Find the weaknesses (there always are some). Exploit them.
Assuming it's remotely possible, I'm pretty sure people unhappy with a system that forces two sides at best aren't interested in going through the effort of replacing Goons just to have exactly the same system in place with someone else in charge. If you recalled the Goons started out detesting BoB, and what they stood for. Funny how quickly things change. And BoB wasn't propped up by auto-mails and timers. Can you imagine how much whining would have occurred if Goons had to wait 24hrs each time they wanted to attack BoB so BoB could get as many players as possible to wipe the floor with the Goons. Your lack of knowledge about how sov mechanics work (and used to work) is breathtaking considering how often you post about them. You're inability to consider the health of the game and your denial of the broken system which allows you to keep sov without effort is laughable. Want to make billions a week solo running combat sites in null sec? -á Read my Exploratation Guide here -> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=309467 |
Dave Stark
4547
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Posted - 2014.03.23 06:39:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:You're inability to consider the health of the game and your denial of the broken system which allows you to keep sov without effort is laughable.
but the forest is full of trolls! |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
3343
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Posted - 2014.03.23 06:52:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote: You're inability to consider the health of the game and your denial of the broken system which allows you to keep sov without effort is laughable.
Yeah, that's why they argued for years to have Technetium nerfed into the ground... Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Tauranon
Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
859
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Posted - 2014.03.23 07:38:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Sentamon wrote:Bael Malefic wrote:The obvious answer:
Do unto the Goons as they did unto BoB.
'Tis a matter of time before one or more Awoxers bust it up from within. Or until one faction or another becomes disenchanted with the lemmingness of it all and lashes out.
Folks moan about somebody else winning. I say, get over it. You want to change things? Observe what they are doing. Analyze it. Find the weaknesses (there always are some). Exploit them.
Assuming it's remotely possible, I'm pretty sure people unhappy with a system that forces two sides at best aren't interested in going through the effort of replacing Goons just to have exactly the same system in place with someone else in charge. If you recalled the Goons started out detesting BoB, and what they stood for. Funny how quickly things change. And BoB wasn't propped up by auto-mails and timers. Can you imagine how much whining would have occurred if Goons had to wait 24hrs each time they wanted to attack BoB so BoB could get as many players as possible to wipe the floor with the Goons.
Prior to dominion, Sov was claimed by towers, which had reinforcement timers, and mailed you when they get shot.
As you can imagine, removing BoB (or for the most part BoBs renters/serfs that they used for meat shielding) from a system with 50 moons was more painful than the current system. But we've explained why hitpoint spamming (which towers is) was bad to you already.
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Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
1134
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Posted - 2014.03.23 07:52:00 -
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Tauranon wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Sentamon wrote:Bael Malefic wrote:The obvious answer:
Do unto the Goons as they did unto BoB.
'Tis a matter of time before one or more Awoxers bust it up from within. Or until one faction or another becomes disenchanted with the lemmingness of it all and lashes out.
Folks moan about somebody else winning. I say, get over it. You want to change things? Observe what they are doing. Analyze it. Find the weaknesses (there always are some). Exploit them.
Assuming it's remotely possible, I'm pretty sure people unhappy with a system that forces two sides at best aren't interested in going through the effort of replacing Goons just to have exactly the same system in place with someone else in charge. If you recalled the Goons started out detesting BoB, and what they stood for. Funny how quickly things change. And BoB wasn't propped up by auto-mails and timers. Can you imagine how much whining would have occurred if Goons had to wait 24hrs each time they wanted to attack BoB so BoB could get as many players as possible to wipe the floor with the Goons. Prior to dominion, Sov was claimed by towers, which had reinforcement timers, and mailed you when they get shot. As you can imagine, removing BoB (or for the most part BoBs renters/serfs that they used for meat shielding) from a system with 50 moons was more painful than the current system. But we've explained why hitpoint spamming (which towers is) was bad to you already.
What they should have done is dropped the idea of system sov altogether. Constellation level Sov, with the ability to attack the central hub, or give the alternative to coordinate attacks on multiple systems in the constellation.
Grinding system by system is a form of self-abuse that only a true basement dweller could love.
CCP: "We know what's best for the game, so you can't have any options....." |
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March rabbit
Federal Defense Union
1382
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Posted - 2014.03.23 08:21:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote: You're inability to consider the health of the game and your denial of the broken system which allows you to keep sov without effort is laughable.
Yeah, that's why they argued for years to have Technetium nerfed into the ground... looking at drone assistance "fix" (and how fast it was "fixed") i'm not sure they REALLY did tho.... The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
3343
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Posted - 2014.03.23 08:23:00 -
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March rabbit wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote: You're inability to consider the health of the game and your denial of the broken system which allows you to keep sov without effort is laughable.
Yeah, that's why they argued for years to have Technetium nerfed into the ground... looking at drone assistance "fix" (and how fast it was "fixed") i'm not sure they REALLY did tho....
Technetium, notably, wasn't crashing the servers. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch
712
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Posted - 2014.03.23 09:40:00 -
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it is just one phase on evolving sandbox.
What comes next? is the question. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
1899
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Posted - 2014.03.23 11:08:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:You're inability to consider the health of the game and your denial of the broken system which allows you to keep sov without effort is laughable. but the forest is full of trolls! Indeed.
Bad Messenger wrote:it is just one phase on evolving sandbox.
What comes next? is the question. When there's only one way to take and keep sov, timers, turning up at x time... that's called themepark. Its the only ride in town. Want to make billions a week solo running combat sites in null sec? -á Read my Exploratation Guide here -> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=309467 |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
498
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Posted - 2014.03.23 11:35:00 -
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SOV fights get free publicity of the "Biggest Space Battle in History" type and a rush of new subscribers.
This presumably is seen as a good thing. |
Freakdevil
Aliastra Gallente Federation
104
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Posted - 2014.03.23 12:01:00 -
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Rental Market is a product of Weak Alliances who would rather pay than fight. Its about as simple as that.
Not saying its good or bad, but it's really a reflection of the players themselves.
For some people its a cost of doing business. For others who don't participate, pride is probably a big factor. I think at the end of the day it comes down to many factors why the rental market is thriving so much.
Personally I find it fascinating how this game mirrors real life economics.
But to answer the OP's specific question. No its not getting out of hand. Anything can change in this game. The problem is their is only so many people who have the time, money and will to make that change. I think you will find that even if you broke the Rental Market that eventually it would probably return. There will always be people who are willing to pay rather than fight. |
Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch
712
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Posted - 2014.03.23 12:38:00 -
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Freakdevil wrote:Rental Market is a product of Weak Alliances who would rather pay than fight. Its about as simple as that.
Not saying its good or bad, but it's really a reflection of the players themselves.
For some people its a cost of doing business. For others who don't participate, pride is probably a big factor. I think at the end of the day it comes down to many factors why the rental market is thriving so much.
Personally I find it fascinating how this game mirrors real life economics.
But to answer the OP's specific question. No its not getting out of hand. Anything can change in this game. The problem is their is only so many people who have the time, money and will to make that change. I think you will find that even if you broke the Rental Market that eventually it would probably return. There will always be people who are willing to pay rather than fight.
It is easier to rent sov because CCP favors big fights and and makes numbers count more than player skill.
I understand that CCP is not willing to change mechanics because couple big alliances are better customers than random people.
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Prince Kobol
1452
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Posted - 2014.03.23 12:45:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote: You're inability to consider the health of the game and your denial of the broken system which allows you to keep sov without effort is laughable.
Yeah, that's why they argued for years to have Technetium nerfed into the ground...
Unfortunately whilst I supported the welcome nerf to tech, (although it was years too late) it was a conflict driver which has not been replaced. |
Prince Kobol
1452
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Posted - 2014.03.23 12:47:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:You're inability to consider the health of the game and your denial of the broken system which allows you to keep sov without effort is laughable. but the forest is full of trolls! Indeed. Bad Messenger wrote:it is just one phase on evolving sandbox.
What comes next? is the question. When there's only one way to take and keep sov, timers, turning up at x time... that's called themepark. Its the only ride in town.
As opposed to infiltrating the the corp which owns those structures, taking control and leaving the alliance or maybe bribing somebody who is that corp to leave and switch sides?
Yes there is only one way to take sov..
Once again you show how little you know of Sov Mechanics and how little imagination you have. |
ImYourMom
Republic University Minmatar Republic
24
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Posted - 2014.03.23 13:20:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote: You're inability to consider the health of the game and your denial of the broken system which allows you to keep sov without effort is laughable.
Yeah, that's why they argued for years to have Technetium nerfed into the ground...
lol. How do you stop anyone else attacking you or even competing? Remove what they will attack you for!. Goons didnt do that for the good of the game they did that to preserve themselves. They have amassed such a fortune and assets that the best way was to stop others doing the same and competing. Quite a clever strategy really. Dont ever thing goons do anything for anyone else expect themselves. |
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