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Regma
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Posted - 2006.05.01 11:21:00 -
[61]
 Originally by: Hast
send me 100mill I'll get the ball rolling by smartbombing the next chavkoku mining op, I'll even approach on dianabolic
As long as you don't hit the roids 
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DUFFMANX
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Posted - 2006.05.01 11:21:00 -
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Originally by: darth solo
If u dont like BOB at least have the balls to post with a main.
d solo.
1. I dont like Bob
2. Im posting with my main
3. Im currently playin wit my balls
I believe that answers all ur questions.
Oh w8t, scratch number 3 u nvr saw that
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2006.05.01 11:26:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Hast
send me 100mill I'll get the ball rolling by smartbombing the next chavkoku mining op, I'll even approach on dianabolic
HAST IS A NOOB!
Originally by: Thomas Jefferson
A society that will trade a little liberty for a little security will lose both and deserve neither
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Lag Fest
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Posted - 2006.05.01 11:31:00 -
[64]
Swedish Gimpsquad to the rescue!
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Keepint it BNC-style.. Be Afraid, be very afraid...
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Hast
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Posted - 2006.05.01 11:36:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Dianabolic
Originally by: Hast
send me 100mill I'll get the ball rolling by smartbombing the next chavkoku mining op, I'll even approach on dianabolic
HAST IS A NOOB!
capslock doesent make it true
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Posted - 2006.05.01 11:38:00 -
[66]
nahhhh we need to play 1-2 years more to see BOB down  so happy play time 
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SengH
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Posted - 2006.05.01 11:39:00 -
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Not that I have anything against BOB or anything, just pointing out a strategic error of many people yelling. OMGF LETS ALL BAND TOGETHER AND KILL BOB.
I personally think people are going about this the wrong way. Big groups are not how to challenge BOB, the proper method would be alot of very small groups. Closest allusion would be 50-60 mini RAT/BurnEden copycat corps running around inside BOB space.
5-10 close nit ppl in Splinter Cell corps who all know and trust each other and are all in the same timezone to maximize manpower. They infiltrate a region and are totally self sufficent in terms of intel and resources. Each corp would only be given a region in which to operate. This would neutralize probably 30-50% of BOBs advantage over. They can have an alt in 5-10 corps. But can they infiltrate all 50-100 different 5-10 man corps? Reguarding standings and friendly fire, if that many people are "hostile" to BOB,an unsympathetic alliance leaking the BOB standings list weekly would not be a problem. The main guideline for each of these corps would be to avoid engaging people not on positive standings with BOB if at all possible, but if the situation requires it, its still an option.
The objective of these corps would be to make life as miserable as possible for all inhabitants in the BOB regions, basically driving life to a halt. Leaving cloaked alts in safespots in all the mining and ratting systems. The alliances always cluster towards the better -1.0 sec systems. Split them up, force them away from the stations and gank them when their travelling back and forth.
An empire can be at a state of alert or a roaming gank op can be held taking place at any time, but eventually their members have to stop somewhere, to make their money and that is where you strike. The fights will be hardly fair and there will be alot of whining on the forums about logoff tactics or ganking. But once the number of splinter cell corps reaches critical mass, it will grind any alliance down, making their 0.0 space unprofitable to live in. After all capital ships are only of use when there are POSes to shoot at and the blob/roaming gank squad can only be in any one place at a time.
There is probably some major flaw that I overlooked seeing its 4am in the morning and I just thought this up in 10minutes while taking a break from studying for my econ midterm.
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Edoo
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Posted - 2006.05.01 11:41:00 -
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Edited by: Edoo on 01/05/2006 11:40:53
Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
edit: I haven't read SirMollie's sig till now, but goddamn that's so funny&true.
not really, people havn't flamed him here have they? They flame him when he posts retarded spam threads.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2006.05.01 11:45:00 -
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Quote:
There is probably some major flaw that I overlooked seeing its 4am in the morning and I just thought this up in 10minutes while taking a break from studying for my econ midterm.
We don't need to mine or rat much to sustain ourselves. So while this would probably indeed be the best way to go about it (aside from the logging off and other sploitage, which is obviously as lame as can be and should not be advocated in any way as you know ), it doesn't do much.
Nothing stops us from simply packing up and going out for some fun because 5-10 man corps cannot kill our infrastructure. So all in all you won't really hit us hard that way either  Isk we can make otherwise and elsewhere, losses we can minimise like no other, and the damage you can thus do to us is minimal while we can simply go out to have fun elsewhere whenever we feel like it.
That's assuming we won't simply make the life of those corps alot more miserable then they ours of course. That's been our way of handlingem thusfar and it has worked admirably seeing how few have lasted more then a week or two in our space.
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SengH
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Posted - 2006.05.01 11:51:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Rod Blaine
Quote:
There is probably some major flaw that I overlooked seeing its 4am in the morning and I just thought this up in 10minutes while taking a break from studying for my econ midterm.
We don't need to mine or rat much to sustain ourselves. So while this would probably indeed be the best way to go about it (aside from the logging off and other sploitage, which is obviously as lame as can be and should not be advocated in any way as you know ), it doesn't do much.
Nothing stops us from simply packing up and going out for some fun because 5-10 man corps cannot kill our infrastructure. So all in all you won't really hit us hard that way either Isk we can make otherwise and elsewhere, losses we can minimise like no other, and the damage you can thus do to us is minimal while we can simply go out to have fun elsewhere whenever we feel like it.
That's assuming we won't simply make the life of those corps alot more miserable then they ours of course. That's been our way of handlingem thusfar and it has worked admirably seeing how few have lasted more then a week or two in our space.
But at the end of the day once it reaches critical mass, your 0.0 regions still become isk sinks instead of isk sources. Some members have other sources of isk, t2 BPOs and empire mission running alts. But at the end of the day, most people use 0.0 for their funding. It would take a large number of corps for it to reach critical mass, but. Once the opportunity cost of holding that region outweights its current benifit, you'll gradually be worn down. If it happens in all regions at once, your in trouble.
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Moghydin
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Posted - 2006.05.01 12:00:00 -
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Those corps will be losing ships, and a lot of ships. They would need a strong industrial base to get those ships at good prices, I mean close to build cost prices. You'll need logistics and organization. The campaign would be very long and mostly extremely boring, so you'll need all those things for a prolonged amount of time. I, personally, have many doubts that such a lose structure will hold for a long time in this campaign.
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Shirei
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Posted - 2006.05.01 12:04:00 -
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Edited by: Shirei on 01/05/2006 12:04:47
You underestimate how easy it is to not die, if your aim is ganking stragglers/small ops.
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SengH
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Posted - 2006.05.01 12:10:00 -
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Originally by: Moghydin
Those corps will be losing ships, and a lot of ships. They would need a strong industrial base to get those ships at good prices, I mean close to build cost prices. You'll need logistics and organization. The campaign would be very long and mostly extremely boring, so you'll need all those things for a prolonged amount of time. I, personally, have many doubts that such a lose structure will hold for a long time in this campaign.
Thats where the BE/RAT tactics come in. No one said that it was gonna be pretty or a fair fight, but they do work (gotta give them that).You cant get ganked if your already logged off. If that many people are "opposed to BOB" and are willing to do something about it, not all those alts who just do nothing but post. There should be no problem keeping the cycle of corps in and out of action.
I think what people WISH to see is a entity with the same power and resources as BOB going to war with each other. The REALITY is that it isnt going to happen as they will move to quash anything remotely looking like it will pose a threat. Any anti-bob "coalition" formed will probably have so many bob alts in it, you'll have your TS being streamed live by 4 different ppl straight to the BOB TS. Decentralization is the only method outside a major fragmentation of BOB, which isnt likely to happen.
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Kaemper
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Posted - 2006.05.01 12:19:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Kell Memran
Anyone gettin bored of the big alliances dictating others. Just look at the whole capital ship production thing with TRUST, wel now they hav disbanded. Personally i am, nd BoB always seem to be at the heart of it. So bak the question " Anyone want to take down BoB"
o/ Alt saying hello to BoB alt for posting yet another BoB thread... attention craving disorder 4tw! 
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Calderio
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Posted - 2006.05.01 12:39:00 -
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guerilla tactics arnt enough, you need super secret backdoor ninja **** tactics,
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Harisdrop
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Posted - 2006.05.01 12:40:00 -
[76]
I say there are a few ladies in BOB.
I wonder if they are powerful enough to be worthy of going down on.
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Seleene
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Posted - 2006.05.01 12:40:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Hast
Originally by: Dianabolic
Originally by: Hast
send me 100mill I'll get the ball rolling by smartbombing the next chavkoku mining op, I'll even approach on dianabolic
HAST IS A NOOB!
capslock doesent make it true
Hmmm.. how about this?
HAST IS A NOOB!!
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Luc Boye
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Posted - 2006.05.01 12:44:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Acheron Cyc
/me fires a volley of Wrangler's dirty underwear at whatever BoB member that is in the way.
Hey what are you doing with Wrangler's dirty undies? Are you a nihilist? Does your girlfriend have nine toes?
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Alexison
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Posted - 2006.05.01 12:44:00 -
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The only organisation that is able to take down BoB alliance is the Minmatar *** Rights League with Backdoor bandit in the rear front chasing us all out of delve!
Make this happen!
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Hast
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Posted - 2006.05.01 12:49:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Seleene
Originally by: Hast
Originally by: Dianabolic
Originally by: Hast
send me 100mill I'll get the ball rolling by smartbombing the next chavkoku mining op, I'll even approach on dianabolic
HAST IS A NOOB!
capslock doesent make it true
Hmmm.. how about this?
HAST IS A NOOB!!
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2006.05.01 12:56:00 -
[81]
Edited by: Rod Blaine on 01/05/2006 12:56:35
Originally by: SengH
Originally by: Rod Blaine
Quote:
There is probably some major flaw that I overlooked seeing its 4am in the morning and I just thought this up in 10minutes while taking a break from studying for my econ midterm.
We don't need to mine or rat much to sustain ourselves. So while this would probably indeed be the best way to go about it (aside from the logging off and other sploitage, which is obviously as lame as can be and should not be advocated in any way as you know ), it doesn't do much.
Nothing stops us from simply packing up and going out for some fun because 5-10 man corps cannot kill our infrastructure. So all in all you won't really hit us hard that way either Isk we can make otherwise and elsewhere, losses we can minimise like no other, and the damage you can thus do to us is minimal while we can simply go out to have fun elsewhere whenever we feel like it.
That's assuming we won't simply make the life of those corps alot more miserable then they ours of course. That's been our way of handlingem thusfar and it has worked admirably seeing how few have lasted more then a week or two in our space.
But at the end of the day once it reaches critical mass, your 0.0 regions still become isk sinks instead of isk sources. Some members have other sources of isk, t2 BPOs and empire mission running alts. But at the end of the day, most people use 0.0 for their funding. It would take a large number of corps for it to reach critical mass, but. Once the opportunity cost of holding that region outweights its current benifit, you'll gradually be worn down. If it happens in all regions at once, your in trouble.
You assume a typical alliance situation where people make their own income individually. BoB (can) work differently.
On top of that, these tactics don't work as well against the people that invented them (minus the logging).
And lastly, guerilla tactics cannot hurt infrastructure. As long as the infrastructure remains, we cannot be removed other then by attrition. Wars based on attrition we always win.
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SengH
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Posted - 2006.05.01 13:10:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine
You assume a typical alliance situation where people make their own income individually. BoB (can) work differently.
On top of that, these tactics don't work as well against the people that invented them (minus the logging).
And lastly, guerilla tactics cannot hurt infrastructure. As long as the infrastructure remains, we cannot be removed other then by attrition. Wars based on attrition we always win.
You dont need to hurt the infrastructure, only the people. People cannot keep their guard up 23/7, additional security measures tax players and the game simply doesnt become fun and people start leaving. If theres a recon ship cloaked in a safe in your -1.0 mining/ratting system on 23/7. Sure you could always have a defense force ready, but thats half your manpower sitting around twiddling their thumbs and the other guy could be AFK. If you have to cyno your fuel everywhere to your POSes, because theres a recon ship cloaked and in a safe the next system over (who might just uncloak and gank the indy), the additional costs starts becomming prohibitive for some operations. You cannot escort every hauler carrying t2 components/fuel back from their POS and you will lose a couple. The additional manpower will reduce many PVPers from "hunting targets" to guarding convoys.
I never said it was going to be easy or fun for both sides, just that it would have a MUCH higher chance of success than a giant alliance of anti-BOB.
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James Lyrus
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Posted - 2006.05.01 13:12:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Seleene
Edited by: Seleene on 01/05/2006 11:12:53
*Holds up a big sign that says: "I shoot alliances for ISK!!" and waits for a contract on BoB*
*hears crickets*
MC vs. BoB would be one to watch. I could see a successful 'EVE TV' franchise spin off of it, where there's daily 'highlights' of the combat available for downloads for iskies. Actually, given the quality of the MC videos I've seen, that might actually be workable...
Of course, the real question is: "If there were a whipround to get MC to attack BoB, how many BoB/MC pilots would chip in?"
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Seleene
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Posted - 2006.05.01 13:26:00 -
[84]
More than a couple, probably... 
The thing is, what would be the goal? "Blow BoB up!" Okay, sure we could do that and have a lot of fun doing it. Something tells me we wouldn't have to spend three - four hours a night looking for a fight.
But, at this point, what would two or three weeks of us attacking BoB actually accomplish? We've said it time and time again: If someone wants the MC to go after powerhouses like BoB, D2 or ASCN, you better have the money to back it up and a plan for exactly what you want us to do for you. Otherwise, you're just wasting our time.
Personally, I'd love to be part of a grand coalition that removed BoB from power just as much as most BoB pilots would enjoy the hell out of fighting for their lives against such a thing. Conversely, I'd love to crush the dreams of that same coalition to dust while watching a fleet of BoB Titans nuke their planets from orbit.
If one is to take this thread seriously, if people really want to figure out a way to hit BoB and take them down, then you've got to think in the long-term. So long as the rest of EVE continues to fight each other and let BoB sit down in Delve unmolested, they are going to remain the 800 pound gorilla.
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Crellion
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Posted - 2006.05.01 13:28:00 -
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I wouldnt mind fighting BoB. (As in person or corp or alliance war or whatever). At least they do give people fights and jump in on you from what I heard .... unlike other peeps I know.
Problem is territorial alliances know that if they declare BoB then BloB of 111 dreads (and a Titan) might show up in their doorstep. However empire - low sec peeps could easily form a coallition and invade BoB space with very low risk... Tbh I am amazed somebody hasnt done it allready. Good PR and fun for the attackers and BoB would also love it I am sure...
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SengH
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Posted - 2006.05.01 13:34:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene
More than a couple, probably...
The thing is, what would be the goal? "Blow BoB up!" Okay, sure we could do that and have a lot of fun doing it. Something tells me we wouldn't have to spend three - four hours a night looking for a fight.
But, at this point, what would two or three weeks of us attacking BoB actually accomplish? We've said it time and time again: If someone wants the MC to go after powerhouses like BoB, D2 or ASCN, you better have the money to back it up and a plan for exactly what you want us to do for you. Otherwise, you're just wasting our time.
Personally, I'd love to be part of a grand coalition that removed BoB from power just as much as most BoB pilots would enjoy the hell out of fighting for their lives against such a thing. Conversely, I'd love to crush the dreams of that same coalition to dust while watching a fleet of BoB Titans nuke their planets from orbit.
If one is to take this thread seriously, if people really want to figure out a way to hit BoB and take them down, then you've got to think in the long-term. So long as the rest of EVE continues to fight each other and let BoB sit down in Delve unmolested, they are going to remain the 800 pound gorilla.
From what I know of their intelligence capabilities. Ever read the battle of vakioth one? BOB would probably have infiltrated an organization of that size to a similar extent as the jovians infiltrated the Amarr.
It would not surprise me if they have alts in in the directors circles of all the bigger alliances. Heck I'd expect each large engagement with BOB if I were in a large alliance to have my TS compromised. A coalition of alliances would just play straight into BOB's strengths. Sometimes things have to be countered by opposities, not the same thing.
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Redblade
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Posted - 2006.05.01 13:42:00 -
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You dont need to hurt the infrastructure, only the people. People cannot keep their guard up 23/7, additional security measures tax players and the game simply doesnt become fun and people start leaving. If theres a recon ship cloaked in a safe in your -1.0 mining/ratting system on 23/7. Sure you could always have a defense force ready, but thats half your manpower sitting around twiddling their thumbs and the other guy could be AFK.
That won't work, u do know that u can npc more then one in a system right ?
If you have to cyno your fuel everywhere to your POSes, because theres a recon ship cloaked and in a safe the next system over (who might just uncloak and gank the indy), the additional costs starts becomming prohibitive for some operations.
Not that high cost tbh.
You cannot escort every hauler carrying t2 components/fuel back from their POS and you will lose a couple.
I see u don't know Dianabolic
The idea it self probably would work against an alliance that have a higher number of carebears but what u sugest isn't going to affect BoB that much and even if it would affect to some extent we would adjust quite fast.
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Darko1107
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Posted - 2006.05.01 13:49:00 -
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Taking bob space would be simple. Keeping it + your own and fending them off forever would be the hard part.
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SengH
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Posted - 2006.05.01 13:56:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Redblade
You dont need to hurt the infrastructure, only the people. People cannot keep their guard up 23/7, additional security measures tax players and the game simply doesnt become fun and people start leaving. If theres a recon ship cloaked in a safe in your -1.0 mining/ratting system on 23/7. Sure you could always have a defense force ready, but thats half your manpower sitting around twiddling their thumbs and the other guy could be AFK.
That won't work, u do know that u can npc more then one in a system right ?
If you have to cyno your fuel everywhere to your POSes, because theres a recon ship cloaked and in a safe the next system over (who might just uncloak and gank the indy), the additional costs starts becomming prohibitive for some operations.
Not that high cost tbh.
You cannot escort every hauler carrying t2 components/fuel back from their POS and you will lose a couple.
I see u don't know Dianabolic
The idea it self probably would work against an alliance that have a higher number of carebears but what u sugest isn't going to affect BoB that much and even if it would affect to some extent we would adjust quite fast.
You can actively track down a npcer using the map very quickly. The -1.0 systems are always going to be prime space and the mercoxit/bist/ark systems are easily known. The objective isnt about kills, its about making the space unuseable. You can monitor and observe movement through major routes with key positioning of alts, so you know where to strike.
However thats assuming all these anti-bob people have half a brain, which from all the forum posts, seem sadly lacking.
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James Lyrus
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Posted - 2006.05.01 14:03:00 -
[90]
Originally by: SengH
However thats assuming all these anti-bob people have half a brain, which from all the forum posts, seem sadly lacking.
It's far easy to smack than attack.
Personally, I quite like BoB. Whatever opinion anyone might have of them, I don't think anyone would deny they make the game interesting.
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