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Kassidus	Posted - 2006.05.01 10:42:00 - [1] Ok so i was all pumped since i decided what i wanted to work towards, a Minmatar Hel. Then i found out it has no gun mounts, umm hello that bloody lame, and dont give me the overpwered crap its a carrier it should be over powered , all these people talking about there not being any front line heavy hitters well give the carriers and motherships some damn guns and dont put in a clone vat etc. I mean i understand the suport idea and i know fighters kick ass but i have a domi and i use guns on the to even though people say to fit for drones and most people i know dont use any guns on there domi, the problem with that is its just no fun, i want guns lots of guns firing lots of ammo, its fun and thats all there is to it. Anyone here watch the new battle star gallactica, you know when Battle Star gallactica goes into battle it launchers its viper fighters and opens up with cannons blazing yeah well carriers and mother ships in eve should have that option to. either way just my 2 cents and im just all grumpy cause im back to not having a direction again. Please keep your signature within the 24000 bytes limit. Ivan K Ivan your really chapin my ass!
KilROCK	Posted - 2006.05.01 10:51:00 - [2] Oh boohoo, I look up to train for a 1bil to 25bil ship and suddenly i realise i cannot fit guns on it. Oh geez, where have you been when these things came out to whine Petwraith ♥ me. I make sigs. Evemail me if interested - I think
Boonaki	Posted - 2006.05.01 10:55:00 - [3] Who needs guns when your fighters do 500-1800 DPS? Fear the Ibis of doom!
Aloysius Knight	Posted - 2006.05.01 10:55:00 - [4] well in a way hes right carriers and motherships are only good for siting at ss or pos while someone else controls the fighters i can only dream of the day capital ships can be in fleet fights
Gronsak	Posted - 2006.05.01 10:57:00 - [5] Originally by: Boonaki Who needs guns when your fighters do 500-1800 DPS? 10 fighters atm on a galante carrier with MAX skills do 1500DPS iirc. each fighter doing 500-1800dps ROFL -------------------Sig----------------------- Boost the raven, i dont know how since its got great volley damage, massive range, any damage type, overpowered tank BUT BOOOOOOOSTTTT them raveneeeeen
Ithildin	Posted - 2006.05.01 10:58:00 - [6] Originally by: Boonaki Who needs guns when your fighters do 500-1800 DPS? It's quite possible to set up a Carrier to pop a tanked battleship before his/her reps cycle (after drones start doing damage) A faction/officer fitted battleship might make two cycles at most before it pops, though. New sig coming soonÖ Drone musing (MC-boards)
Boonaki	Posted - 2006.05.01 11:00:00 - [7] Originally by: Gronsak Originally by: Boonaki Who needs guns when your fighters do 500-1800 DPS? 10 fighters atm on a galante carrier with MAX skills do 1500DPS iirc. each fighter doing 500-1800dps ROFL I didn't say 500-1800 DPS per fighter, I said 500-1800 DPS total of the fighters. Also we're talking about motherships that can field 5 fighters base, plus 3 more per carrier skill level, and sooner or later with adv drone interfacing they'll be able to do another 1 per level. Max skills that's 25 fighters and with fighters 5 that's a 100% damage bonus, with Gal Carriers level 5 that's another 50% bonus to damage. 25 fighters with a 150% bonus to damage is evil. Fear the Ibis of doom!
Drommy	Posted - 2006.05.01 11:03:00 - [8] yeh but i needed guns otherwise i dont look like galactica IF YOU AINT BLUE... YOUR GOO DARKSIDE INC
Ithildin	Posted - 2006.05.01 11:04:00 - [9] Originally by: Gronsak Originally by: Boonaki Who needs guns when your fighters do 500-1800 DPS? 10 fighters atm on a galante carrier with MAX skills do 1500DPS iirc. each fighter doing 500-1800dps ROFL Fighters do 200 dps each with max skills. 300 dps on a Thanatos. Before resistances, of course. New sig coming soonÖ Drone musing (MC-boards)
TheSoul	Posted - 2006.05.01 11:08:00 - [10] Originally by: Kassidus Ok so i was all pumped since i decided what i wanted to work towards, a Minmatar Hel. Then i found out it has no gun mounts, umm hello that bloody lame, and dont give me the overpwered crap its a carrier it should be over powered , all these people talking about there not being any front line heavy hitters well give the carriers and motherships some damn guns and dont put in a clone vat etc. I mean i understand the suport idea and i know fighters kick ass but i have a domi and i use guns on the to even though people say to fit for drones and most people i know dont use any guns on there domi, the problem with that is its just no fun, i want guns lots of guns firing lots of ammo, its fun and thats all there is to it. Anyone here watch the new battle star gallactica, you know when Battle Star gallactica goes into battle it launchers its viper fighters and opens up with cannons blazing yeah well carriers and mother ships in eve should have that option to. either way just my 2 cents and im just all grumpy cause im back to not having a direction again. um, a battlestar is a class in its own, thats like saying, why cant my frigate have 1400 howitzers fitted ;) 1 thing is for sure though, all capital ships should have way more hitpoints ;)
Gronsak	Posted - 2006.05.01 11:10:00 - [11] Edited by: Gronsak on 01/05/2006 11:11:01 Originally by: Ithildin Originally by: Gronsak Originally by: Boonaki Who needs guns when your fighters do 500-1800 DPS? 10 fighters atm on a galante carrier with MAX skills do 1500DPS iirc. each fighter doing 500-1800dps ROFL Fighters do 200 dps each with max skills. 300 dps on a Thanatos. Before resistances, of course. afaik drone interfacing doesnt effect fighters thus 100DPS with max skills per fighter and 150 on a galante carrier! or a galante carrier would be going very close to the same DPS of a dred in siege mode -------------------Sig----------------------- Boost the raven, i dont know how since its got great volley damage, massive range, any damage type, overpowered tank BUT BOOOOOOOSTTTT them raveneeeeen
KilROCK	Posted - 2006.05.01 11:10:00 - [12] Originally by: Ithildin Originally by: Gronsak Originally by: Boonaki Who needs guns when your fighters do 500-1800 DPS? 10 fighters atm on a galante carrier with MAX skills do 1500DPS iirc. each fighter doing 500-1800dps ROFL Fighters do 200 dps each with max skills. 300 dps on a Thanatos. Before resistances, of course. I have respect for you Ithildin, but what the hell are you smoking to come up with these numbers? Petwraith ♥ me. I make sigs. Evemail me if interested - I think
Boonaki	Posted - 2006.05.01 11:13:00 - [13] Edited by: Boonaki on 01/05/2006 11:16:00 Max skills, perfect situation and no resists taken into account. 300 DPS for 1 fighter Max skills with no resists 5 drone control mods on a gal mothership = 7500 DPS (never happen as ships can't get 0 to all resists) Realisticly your looking at 2000-3000 DPS from a Nyx (after 7 months of training) and about a 1000-1500 DPS from a Thantos. If they ever relase adv drone interfacing. Fear the Ibis of doom!
Boonaki	Posted - 2006.05.01 11:15:00 - [14] Originally by: Gronsak afaik drone interfacing doesnt effect fighters It doesn't, 50% for Gal Carrier 5 (Thantos or Nyx) and 100% for fighters level 5. Fear the Ibis of doom!
KilROCK	Posted - 2006.05.01 11:16:00 - [15] - Fighter skill - Carrier bonus Are the only thing affecting the DPS, You're smoking good stuff if you think you get 300DPS from each drones at max skills. Petwraith ♥ me. I make sigs. Evemail me if interested - I think
Gronsak	Posted - 2006.05.01 11:17:00 - [16] Originally by: Boonaki Max skills, perfect situation and no resists taken into account. 300 DPS for 1 fighter and about a 1000 DPS from a Thantos its half that, 150DPS for 1 fighter. giving the galante carrier 1500DPS max skilled atm ofcourse this is on structure -------------------Sig----------------------- Boost the raven, i dont know how since its got great volley damage, massive range, any damage type, overpowered tank BUT BOOOOOOOSTTTT them raveneeeeen
KilROCK	Posted - 2006.05.01 11:20:00 - [17] The actual DPS is 149.88244514106583072100313479624 so that means: 1498.8244514106583072100313479624 For a thanatos with maxed out skills. or 2997.6489028213166144200626959248 for a Nyx. And last, Please don't post if you don't know a thing about how to calculate DPS or which skills are taken in for it. Petwraith ♥ me. I make sigs. Evemail me if interested - I think
Gronsak	Posted - 2006.05.01 11:20:00 - [18] Originally by: Boonaki Originally by: Gronsak afaik drone interfacing doesnt effect fighters It doesn't, 50% for Gal Carrier 5 (Thantos or Nyx) and 100% for fighters level 5. they have a base DPS of 50 fighters lvl 5 makes that 100DPS on a galante carrier/mothership thats 150DPS galante carrier with 10 fighters = 1500DPS with MAX skills if they release the +1 drone mods then 2250 DPS for galante carrier -------------------Sig----------------------- Boost the raven, i dont know how since its got great volley damage, massive range, any damage type, overpowered tank BUT BOOOOOOOSTTTT them raveneeeeen
Goberth Ludwig	Posted - 2006.05.01 11:25:00 - [19] hi o/ sorry to show my noobie head here but just to compare can anyone tell me whats the dps of a well skilled t2 pulse geddon or blasterthron? thx :) - Gob (my nubie attempt at a forum sig, bare with me plz :p)
Boonaki	Posted - 2006.05.01 11:26:00 - [20] Originally by: KilROCK The actual DPS is 149.88244514106583072100313479624 so that means: 1498.8244514106583072100313479624 For a thanatos with maxed out skills. or 2997.6489028213166144200626959248 for a Nyx. And last, Please don't post if you don't know a thing about how to calculate DPS or which skills are taken in for it. What resists is that at? Fear the Ibis of doom!
Gronsak	Posted - 2006.05.01 11:26:00 - [21] Edited by: Gronsak on 01/05/2006 11:26:43 Originally by: Goberth Ludwig hi o/ sorry to show my noobie head here but just to compare can anyone tell me whats the dps of a well skilled t2 pulse geddon or blasterthron? thx :) gets up to about 1200 DPS with t2 ammo, but doesnty tank nearly as good as a carrier :P also they are limited in their range to sub 15km, fighters can go much further. not to mention fighters chase your prey -------------------Sig----------------------- Boost the raven, i dont know how since its got great volley damage, massive range, any damage type, overpowered tank BUT BOOOOOOOSTTTT them raveneeeeen
KilROCK	Posted - 2006.05.01 11:28:00 - [22] Originally by: Boonaki Originally by: KilROCK The actual DPS is 149.88244514106583072100313479624 so that means: 1498.8244514106583072100313479624 For a thanatos with maxed out skills. or 2997.6489028213166144200626959248 for a Nyx. And last, Please don't post if you don't know a thing about how to calculate DPS or which skills are taken in for it. What resists is that at? 0% Petwraith ♥ me. I make sigs. Evemail me if interested - I think
Goberth Ludwig	Posted - 2006.05.01 11:32:00 - [23] Originally by: Gronsak not to mention fighters chase your prey is that an advantage? is there a way yet to set them to "not chase" or can you recall them as soon as they enter warp? - Gob (my nubie attempt at a forum sig, bare with me plz :p)
Gronsak	Posted - 2006.05.01 11:33:00 - [24] Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Originally by: Gronsak not to mention fighters chase your prey is that an advantage? is there a way yet to set them to "not chase" or can you recall them as soon as they enter warp? its an advantage if the target doesnt warp to a POS. -------------------Sig----------------------- Boost the raven, i dont know how since its got great volley damage, massive range, any damage type, overpowered tank BUT BOOOOOOOSTTTT them raveneeeeen
Boonaki	Posted - 2006.05.01 11:33:00 - [25] I'm just using quick fit, might be a bug. Einherji Rate of fire : 3.75 sec Damage modifier : 15.0 Shield One Shot Damage (EM+TH+KI+EX) : 0.0 + 0.0 + 375.0 + 750.0 = 1125.0 Damage / sec (EM+TH+KI+EX) : 0.0 + 0.0 + 100.0 + 200.0 = 300.0 Armor One Shot Damage (EM+TH+KI+EX) : 0.0 + 0.0 + 375.0 + 750.0 = 1125.0 Damage / sec (EM+TH+KI+EX) : 0.0 + 0.0 + 100.0 + 200.0 = 300.0 Structure One Shot Damage (EM+TH+KI+EX) : 0.0 + 0.0 + 375.0 + 750.0 = 1125.0 Damage / sec (EM+TH+KI+EX) : 0.0 + 0.0 + 100.0 + 200.0 = 300.0 Global Damage output Damage per second on Shield : 300.0 (300.0 taking accuracy into account) Damage per second on Armor : 300.0 (300.0 taking accuracy into account) Damage per second on Structure : 300.0 (300.0 taking accuracy into account) Average DPS : 300.0 Fear the Ibis of doom!
KilROCK	Posted - 2006.05.01 11:34:00 - [26] Edited by: KilROCK on 01/05/2006 11:35:02 Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Originally by: Gronsak not to mention fighters chase your prey is that an advantage? is there a way yet to set them to "not chase" or can you recall them as soon as they enter warp? You can ask them to return at any time and they just 'disappear' and warp back to you....... As far as i know, they have warp time like any ships.. It actually takes a bit of time for them to travel around (not sure how many AU/s). Originally by: Boonaki I'm just using quick fit, might be a bug. Einherji Rate of fire : 3.75 sec Damage modifier : 15.0 Shield One Shot Damage (EM+TH+KI+EX) : 0.0 + 0.0 + 375.0 + 750.0 = 1125.0 Damage / sec (EM+TH+KI+EX) : 0.0 + 0.0 + 100.0 + 200.0 = 300.0 Armor One Shot Damage (EM+TH+KI+EX) : 0.0 + 0.0 + 375.0 + 750.0 = 1125.0 Damage / sec (EM+TH+KI+EX) : 0.0 + 0.0 + 100.0 + 200.0 = 300.0 Structure One Shot Damage (EM+TH+KI+EX) : 0.0 + 0.0 + 375.0 + 750.0 = 1125.0 Damage / sec (EM+TH+KI+EX) : 0.0 + 0.0 + 100.0 + 200.0 = 300.0 Global Damage output Damage per second on Shield : 300.0 (300.0 taking accuracy into account) Damage per second on Armor : 300.0 (300.0 taking accuracy into account) Damage per second on Structure : 300.0 (300.0 taking accuracy into account) Average DPS : 300.0 That's the problem these days, Everyone is quickfitting everything. Quickfit takes all drone skills into account. While the game doesn't. It's only 1 skill and Ship bonus. Petwraith ♥ me. I make sigs. Evemail me if interested - I think
Lord Wimbishi	Posted - 2006.05.01 11:35:00 - [27] Originally by: Gronsak Edited by: Gronsak on 01/05/2006 11:26:43 Originally by: Goberth Ludwig hi o/ sorry to show my noobie head here but just to compare can anyone tell me whats the dps of a well skilled t2 pulse geddon or blasterthron? thx :) Ahems correction, try 591dps with 8 Mega P t2's with Conf crystals. gets up to about 1200 DPS with t2 ammo, but doesnty tank nearly as good as a carrier :P also they are limited in their range to sub 15km, fighters can go much further. not to mention fighters chase your prey
Boonaki	Posted - 2006.05.01 11:35:00 - [28] Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Originally by: Gronsak not to mention fighters chase your prey is that an advantage? is there a way yet to set them to "not chase" or can you recall them as soon as they enter warp? Can't set them not to chase, hopefully they will add this feature sometime, they don't recall instanrlt, take about 10-15 seconds for them to get back to you, sometimes longer. Fear the Ibis of doom!
Gronsak	Posted - 2006.05.01 11:36:00 - [29] Originally by: Boonaki Average DPS : 300.0 then the program you are useing is wrong or a galante carrier does 3000DPS with no tracking problem and can warp out and the fighters will still keep fighting. where a dred needs to be in siege mode and gets only a little bit more damage? from that alone it should be clear 300DPS per fighter must be wrong! -------------------Sig----------------------- Boost the raven, i dont know how since its got great volley damage, massive range, any damage type, overpowered tank BUT BOOOOOOOSTTTT them raveneeeeen
Gronsak	Posted - 2006.05.01 11:37:00 - [30] Originally by: Lord Wimbishi Originally by: Gronsak Edited by: Gronsak on 01/05/2006 11:26:43 Originally by: Goberth Ludwig hi o/ sorry to show my noobie head here but just to compare can anyone tell me whats the dps of a well skilled t2 pulse geddon or blasterthron? thx :) Ahems correction, try 591dps with 8 Mega P t2's with Conf crystals. add in a bay of 5x ogre t2 -------------------Sig----------------------- Boost the raven, i dont know how since its got great volley damage, massive range, any damage type, overpowered tank BUT BOOOOOOOSTTTT them raveneeeeen

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