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Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2014.03.23 19:02:00 -
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LordOfDespair wrote:Not talking about automating anything that is done within the game. GǪaside from jumping to the next gate. So: not allowed. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Posted - 2014.03.23 21:18:00 -
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LordOfDespair wrote:The EULA says you cannot automate if it " facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play"
So technically it isn't against the rules. Sure it is. You get to where you're going faster than if you had left the ship to its own devices.
Quote:But I still don't understand how ISboxer isn't. Because it doesn't let you gain anything at an accelerated rate and because it only responds 1:1 to direct user input. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Posted - 2014.03.23 21:40:00 -
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TigerXtrm wrote:It responds 1:1 to direct user input for dozens of open windows at the same time. GǪand all that matters is the 1:1 rate.
Quote:When 20 mining ships all lock a rock and activate their lasers within the same microsecond of each other, that is by definition an accelerated rate. No, it's not, since any other 20 ships would gain the same amount of ore in the same amount of time GÇö i.e. at the same rate. Even multi-boxing it manually would yield the same rate, only staggered. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Posted - 2014.03.23 21:52:00 -
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LordOfDespair wrote:Auto clicking the warp button will get you to the destination at the same speed as if you sat there and did it yourself. GǪbut faster than if you didn't use the macro, since doing so would leave you hanging in space for long periods of time. So: at an accelerated speed.
If you want to travel at the faster speed, you have to do exactly what you describe and sit there. If you want to travel while AFK, you have to use the autopilot. Travelling as if at the keyboard when you're AFK is what makes it a violation of the EULA.
Quote:ISboxing lets you use 20 accounts perfectly where as trying to do it without would be extremely hard or impossible. One does the same thing as before, another is able to do much more than before. No. One does something that can't be done before; the other does the same as any other 20 accounts in the same situation.
Quote:The advantage is obvious. The advantage of the macro is obvious, yes, which is why they are not allowed and why people have been banned for using them.
Quote:If you are going to ban one, ban them all. Why does ISboxer get special privileges? It doesn't get any special privileges GÇö it simply doesn't break the rules.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Posted - 2014.03.23 22:12:00 -
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LordOfDespair wrote:Flawed logic. Logic used by CCP. You may not like it, but it's the one you need to follow.
Quote:Using 20 accounts perfectly is something that cannot be done before. Yes it is. It's actually really really simple.
And again, 20 accounts acquiring goods at the same rate as every other group of 20 accounts means there is no accelerated rate. An AFK person traveling as fast as an at-keyboard person means there is.
Quote:The same can be said about the auto clicker on the warp button, but it seems that CCP doesn't follow its own rules, because things like ISboxer are allowed and users have been banned for these kinds of macros before. CCP aren't players, so they don't have to play by the rules. And the difference between multiboxing and macro use has already been explained. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Posted - 2014.03.23 22:21:00 -
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LordOfDespair wrote:A player playing on one screen, and having those actions artificially repeated onto 19 other screens is accelerated rate. No. It's still just 20 accounts working at the rate of 20 accounts. No acceleration there.
Quote:So you agree CCP logic is flawed and you still try to defend it?  Nope.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2014.03.24 10:24:00 -
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TigerXtrm wrote:An AFK mining bot is also just 1 account working at the rate of 1 account, yet that is illegal because the player is not physically doing the work. It is also illegal because it is 1 account working at the rate of 8, since it squeezes 164.5 hours of mining out of a week instead of the regular 21(ish).
Quote:The other 19 are essentially being AFK botted because it's not the player actually providing the input, it's the program. No, it's still the player. If the player does nothing, those muliboxed accounts also do nothing. The input is 1:1 and nothing is automated.
Quote:When there are 20 miners in a belt and you have to activate them all manually it will take you at least a minute to activate all of them by hand. I'm sure with practice it could be done faster, but fact remains that you can never do it instantly across all windows. GǪand the advantage in having them all activate at once isGǪ?
Quote:Without automation it is impossible for a player to physically command 20 accounts simultaneously. Not even close. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Posted - 2014.03.24 13:44:00 -
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LordOfDespair wrote:Not close?
Explain to me how somebody can operate 20 accounts at once in simulationously perfectly, without any use of programs. The problem is that you assume that simultaneously and perfectly means GÇ£in complete synchronisationGÇ¥. You can operate 20 mining accounts at once simultaneously and perfectly just by switching windows. The limiting factor is how often you have to empty your cargo hold, and since that frequency is measured in sizeable fractions of an hour, you can be very leisurely in doing so.
In fact, you could probably run it even more perfectly if you did it manually rather than use a multiboxing program, since every single client could be directed to switch asteroids and positions with more precision than if you made every one of them work exactly the same irrespective of how much ore is around them. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Posted - 2014.03.24 13:52:00 -
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LordOfDespair wrote:No, the problem is you think ISboxer is only for mining. No, I don't. You asked a question, and I answered.
Quote:A single person can run an entire incursion fleet on ISboxer (and they do, and yes it is very OP). How is it overpowered?
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Posted - 2014.03.24 14:12:00 -
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LordOfDespair wrote:How isn't it? That doesn't answer the question. How is it overpowered?
Quote:And there is no way somebody can do it manually. So what? It's still X amount of accounts creating Y amount of assets, same as any other X amount of accounts doing the same.
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Posted - 2014.03.24 14:39:00 -
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LordOfDespair wrote:You didn't answer my question either, how isn't it overpowered? By virtue of not being overpowered, since you refuse to show that it is. My answer is in your lack of answer.
So: how is it overpowered?
Quote:So its okay if an account does something it normally could? Regardless if it is manually possible or not? If it's not manually possible, the account can't normally do it and it's not allowed. That's why travelling between multiple gates without the use of either the autopilot or being at the keyboard is not allowed. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Posted - 2014.03.24 14:47:00 -
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LordOfDespair wrote:How can twenty accounts be used in perfect harmony "manually"? Through the use of a good FC.
You bailed out on the question: how is it overpowered? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2014.03.24 15:03:00 -
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LordOfDespair wrote:Whether it is overpowered or not is irrelevent. So your argument is irrelevant then. Goodie.
Quote:But it is overpowered. How so? And so what? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Posted - 2014.03.24 16:37:00 -
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Wulfgar WarHammer wrote:Don't even bother arguing with the ISBoxers. They will fight tooth and nail telling you that they could do the same thing without the third-party software, but they can't; which is why they defend/use ISBoxer in the first place. Really? Do you have any example of someone doing this?
Debora Tsung wrote:That's something I never quite understood.
The Multiboxer says he earned twenty times more than with his one single account, but then he has 20 accounts. All those accounts need to be plexed, the toons need equipmnent etc.
In the end wouldn't he earn just as much as if he were in a corp with 20 (very well organized) players? Yes. Actually, the corp would probably be able to do most things even better since each individual can respond to their individual and specific situation rather than have everyone act the same no matter how appropriate it is to what they're doing. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Sunshine and Lollipops
20232
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Posted - 2014.03.24 17:04:00 -
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LordOfDespair wrote:Aaaa.. what? That made absolutely no sense. You made the argument that multiboxing was overpowered. When you couldn't articulate in what way it was overpowered, you claimed that it was irrelevant whether it was or not.
That makes your argument irrelevant. It's very simple to make sense of, really.
Robert Caldera wrote:Automation per definition also includes methods or tools which reduce human workload for operating machines, cars etc - thus is clearly EULA violation. GǪbut as long as it requires 1:1 human input rather than make use of machine-genrateed input, it doesn't qualify for the only definition that matters: the EULA one, according to which multiboxing is not a violation. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Posted - 2014.03.24 17:39:00 -
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LordOfDespair wrote:Umm no. You are wrong.. again. Uhm, yes. I'm still right. As demonstrated by every single official communication on the matter.
Quote:The argument has always been that ISboxer is automation and it lets players do something that they cannot do manually. GǪand that argument has always been factually incorrect since it ignores both reality and every definition that matters.
Robert Caldera wrote:1:1 what? If you click a button, all that happens is that you click a button.
Quote:Like I stated before, CCP only allows it because profitable like hell not becaust its not automation. GǪexcept that CCP happily foregoes profit to uphold the rule against automation. State is as much as you like, it is completely contradicted and disproven by reality. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Posted - 2014.03.24 17:58:00 -
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Robert Caldera wrote:but not for the reason of their excuses but just because they want the money. What? Could you please rephrase that as a coherent sentence.
Quote:Which matters? I tell you what matters -> your money from 20 isboxed accounts. GǪwhich is proven false by the fact that CCP happily get rid of accounts that could be making them money. So how do you square that fact with your presumed reasoning?
Quote:if this would be true, noone would use it. It is true, and that's why people use it: because it doesn't automate anything and requires manual input, and thus don't break the rules.
Quote:more hurfblurf in lack of arguments? Just because you can't counter an argument doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Please try again: how do you square the very simple and much-publicised fact that they will happily jettison thousands of accounts with the presumption that they only allow multiboxing because it requires lots of accounts?
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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