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LordOfDespair
Capsuleer Combat Training Services
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Posted - 2014.03.23 18:09:00 -
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So I've made this little program that will click my mouse for me every 3 seconds.
I thought I'd use it to click jump to the next gate while I refill a drink or take a quick bathroom break.
What are the rules regarding this? I know that programs that do complex things like mining (lol) are banned obviously. But what about an auto clicker? All it does is just click the mouse.
Thanks! |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
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Posted - 2014.03.23 18:11:00 -
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AFAIK its a bannable offense
If its not, I know a LOT of folks that will hunt you down and kill you again and and again and again and again until you yell Baggins. *** Vote MTU For CSM *** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn Omnis nomiom nom nom nomi |
LordOfDespair
Capsuleer Combat Training Services
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Posted - 2014.03.23 18:13:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:AFAIK its a bannable offense
If its not, I know a LOT of folks that will hunt you down and kill you again and and again and again and again until you yell Baggins.
Not worried about that.
Only want to know what the GMs say about it. |
brinelan
The Flying Dead Havoc.
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Posted - 2014.03.23 18:15:00 -
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LordOfDespair wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:AFAIK its a bannable offense
If its not, I know a LOT of folks that will hunt you down and kill you again and and again and again and again until you yell Baggins. Not worried about that. Only want to know what the GMs say about it.
then petition and ask a gm. |
Adaris
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Posted - 2014.03.23 18:15:00 -
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Maybe you should ask a GM? -á |
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
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Posted - 2014.03.23 18:16:00 -
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It is theoretically illegal.
Having said that.
there is a little saying in the united states - dont ask, dont tell. Im not american, but i like that saying.
since there is no way for eve online game code to detect simple macro programs that move and click mouse and keyboard, clever people who know how to keep their mouths shut are, let say, using their imaginations to the fullest.
Theoretically it is possible to fully automate mining, with multiple characters, anomaly running, and a couple of other things, without use of bots, only by using UI, overview, and mouse/keyboard macros. You just have to be smart about it.
Disclosure: I havent done any illegal activities that breach the EULA, I merely engage in theoretical discussions on the topic. |
Jason Station
A Better Corp Name
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Posted - 2014.03.23 18:18:00 -
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You are automating gameplay, that is not allowed. If you want the official reply from a GM, hit F12 and submit a ticket. GM conversations are not posted in the forums (usually). |
LordOfDespair
Capsuleer Combat Training Services
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Posted - 2014.03.23 18:19:00 -
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:It is theoretically illegal.
Having said that.
there is a little saying in the united states - dont ask, dont tell. Im not american, but i like that saying.
since there is no way for eve online game code to detect simple macro programs that move and click mouse and keyboard, clever people who know how to keep their mouths shut are, let say, using their imaginations to the fullest.
Theoretically it is possible to fully automate mining, with multiple characters, anomaly running, and a couple of other things, without use of bots, only by using UI, overview, and mouse/keyboard macros. You just have to be smart about it.
Disclosure: I havent done any illegal activities that breach the EULA, I merely engage in theoretical discussions on the topic.
Not talking about automating anything that is done within the game. That is not allowed and not what I'm even trying to do.
All I want is to have my mouse click every 3 seconds. No automatic moving, no fancy scripts... Just click :P. |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
3932
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Posted - 2014.03.23 18:19:00 -
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If it repeats at exactly the same interval every time, I think he could raise warning flags. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
2389
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Posted - 2014.03.23 18:19:00 -
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LordOfDespair wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:AFAIK its a bannable offense
If its not, I know a LOT of folks that will hunt you down and kill you again and and again and again and again until you yell Baggins. Not worried about that. Only want to know what the GMs say about it.
Ticket, GM etc
See above
Also, I dont think they will take a bright view on your assertation that clicking icons is not something in the game thats being automated. *** Vote MTU For CSM *** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn Omnis nomiom nom nom nomi |
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
157
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Posted - 2014.03.23 18:21:00 -
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Jake Warbird wrote:If it repeats at exactly the same interval every time, I think he could raise warning flags.
nope, thats not how eve client works. and the theoretical solution if youre paranoid, is to build in random variance of half a second or so to your macro clicks, or set the macro cycle of 10 clicks each with different timings manually, for example. |
Jason Station
A Better Corp Name
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Posted - 2014.03.23 18:28:00 -
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:Jake Warbird wrote:If it repeats at exactly the same interval every time, I think he could raise warning flags. nope, thats not how eve client works. and the theoretical solution if youre paranoid, is to build in random variance of half a second or so to your macro clicks, or set the macro cycle of 10 clicks each with different timings manually, for example.
Actually if you watched the security videos from a couple years ago the discuss exactly this if I recall correctly. |
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
157
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Posted - 2014.03.23 18:33:00 -
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Jason Station wrote:LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:Jake Warbird wrote:If it repeats at exactly the same interval every time, I think he could raise warning flags. nope, thats not how eve client works. and the theoretical solution if youre paranoid, is to build in random variance of half a second or so to your macro clicks, or set the macro cycle of 10 clicks each with different timings manually, for example. Actually if you watched the security videos from a couple years ago the discuss exactly this if I recall correctly.
if they implemented this feature as far as couple of years back, it doesnt work as intended, not on macros anyways. |
LordOfDespair
Capsuleer Combat Training Services
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Posted - 2014.03.23 18:55:00 -
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I talked to the GMs and they weren't very helpful. They were so vague and wouldn't confirm or deny anything.
They directed me to the EULA and technically what I want to do should be okay. However the ELUA is so vague also that it raises uncertainty.
I think if somebody is allowed to ISbox 20+ accounts and make billions of isk, this shouldn't really be cared about either. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
2389
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Posted - 2014.03.23 18:56:00 -
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LordOfDespair wrote:I talked to the GMs and they weren't very helpful. They were so vague and wouldn't confirm or deny anything.
They directed me to the EULA and technically what I want to do should be okay. However the ELUA is so vague also that it raises uncertainty.
I think if somebody is allowed to ISbox 20+ accounts and make billions of isk, this shouldn't really be cared about either.
Fair enough, just try not to be too upset when it happens. *** Vote MTU For CSM *** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn Omnis nomiom nom nom nomi |
LordOfDespair
Capsuleer Combat Training Services
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Posted - 2014.03.23 18:58:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:LordOfDespair wrote:I talked to the GMs and they weren't very helpful. They were so vague and wouldn't confirm or deny anything.
They directed me to the EULA and technically what I want to do should be okay. However the ELUA is so vague also that it raises uncertainty.
I think if somebody is allowed to ISbox 20+ accounts and make billions of isk, this shouldn't really be cared about either. Fair enough, just try not to be too upset when it happens.
I'll just point to the EULA and the multiboxers. And the record will show that I asked on the forums and the GMs. |
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations CODE.
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Posted - 2014.03.23 19:00:00 -
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OP, your name is perfect. INB4 lock/deletion. See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20205
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Posted - 2014.03.23 19:02:00 -
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LordOfDespair wrote:Not talking about automating anything that is done within the game. GǪaside from jumping to the next gate. So: not allowed. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
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Posted - 2014.03.23 19:15:00 -
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People who use stuff like this to play the game aren't really playing the game...a computer is playing for them, therefore , combat with people like this shouldn't really be called PvP, but PvE instead!
CCP, please remove PvP timers, limited engagements and suspect flags from people who gank people like the OP, and instead replace it with a PvE flag, because we aren't shooting a real person, only farming slightly more complex rats. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Weylin Ormand
Mining Bay inc SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.23 19:22:00 -
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This capability is already there, it's called Autopilot
Seriously though, aside from the risk you take during the burn time from the warp drop to the gate jump, just use the autopilot and get done with it. Sure it's a risk you take but you seem to be more concerned about your food/drink/bowels over the safety of your toon as it is. I mine so you can have the fuel to run your POS.
Have you thanked a miner today? |
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MonkeyMagic Thiesant
Shockwave Innovations Surely You're Joking
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Posted - 2014.03.23 19:27:00 -
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People got banned for this before.
Regardless of how you interpret the EULA, this is bypassing the limitations of the autopilot. That's never going to be accepted. |
Serene Repose
Saanen Freight Service
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Posted - 2014.03.23 19:32:00 -
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This is really my kind of thread. It begins with someone saying nothing of any consequence and ends in a massive bandwidth expenditure to hold the plethora of equally inconsequential responses.
+1 for nothing in particular. I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á |
I Riven I
Hedion University Amarr Empire
10
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Posted - 2014.03.23 19:38:00 -
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Everyone uses macros in this game.
The UI is made for it.
You can even macro mining bot, so easy to make your own bot with macro express, takes 5 minutes to get a mining bot going in this game.
Repeated actions? Random delays + random places to warp and mine. |
TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.23 20:47:00 -
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Automating input of the game is not allowed by the EULA.
Unless you do it on multiple characters at once. Then it's called multiboxing and magically allowed. My YouTube Channel - EVE Tutorials & other game related things! |
LordOfDespair
Capsuleer Combat Training Services
9
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Posted - 2014.03.23 21:00:00 -
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TigerXtrm wrote:Automating input of the game is not allowed by the EULA.
Unless you do it on multiple characters at once. Then it's called multiboxing and magically allowed.
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The EULA says you cannot automate if it " facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play"
So technically it isn't against the rules.
But I still don't understand how ISboxer isn't...
You make a ton of ISK that wouldn't normally be possible. |
Prie Mary
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
62
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Posted - 2014.03.23 21:14:00 -
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Anything which automates gameplay. Like what your suggesting is a nono.
You have to physicaly be controlling any game inputs yourself.
Now if it is truly for the purpose of traveling whilst making a drink, why not get a wireless mouse, plant the cursor over the warp/jump, and carry the mouse in your hand counting to 3 and clicking every 3 seconds. just aim the lazer/optics of the mouse in the air so it does not move cursor position :) Dont just think outside the box, Live outside of it... |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2014.03.23 21:18:00 -
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LordOfDespair wrote:The EULA says you cannot automate if it " facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play"
So technically it isn't against the rules. Sure it is. You get to where you're going faster than if you had left the ship to its own devices.
Quote:But I still don't understand how ISboxer isn't. Because it doesn't let you gain anything at an accelerated rate and because it only responds 1:1 to direct user input. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
3348
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Posted - 2014.03.23 21:19:00 -
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Admits to creating botting functionality.
Attempts to defend doing so.
Nice knowing you. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Cannibal Kane
Cannibal Empire
3401
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Posted - 2014.03.23 21:22:00 -
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Anything that does the work for you when you are not there is going to get you banned. "I saw him fight by the monument in Jita. He flowed in his Machariel like a Shinto spirit, 800MM shells sprouting in his passing. His hair flowed in the corona of his target's warp core breach. It was truly majestic. And while everyone stared in awe I stole the loot and ran off. Because I am like that." - NEONOVUS |
LordOfDespair
Capsuleer Combat Training Services
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Posted - 2014.03.23 21:23:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Admits to creating botting functionality.
Attempts to defend doing so.
Nice knowing you.
Macro isn't the same as bot.
I only asked a question, Don't dramatize. |
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