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WhiteDwarf	Posted - 2003.09.19 11:01:00 - [1] This game has become very stale. I blame the PK'ers (aka griefers) for ruining this game. From the first day of the m0o blockade in mara/passari, I could see this coming. CCP has wasted all thier time and energy dealing with the PK problem, they have not been addressing any content or game mechanics issues of any relavence that would help keep subscribers renewing, or to bring in more players. I knew this would happen with an all out PvP system, but during beta I really thought the sec rating would keep PK'ers inline. CCP did not implement the sec rating system to it's full potential, now the game may as well be two separate servers 1.0 & 0.0 I have not played in two weeks, and am wondering if paying $13/mo is worth it for training skills, in the hope that someday I get re-intersted in the game? NO! YOU CAN NOT HAVE MY STUFF! *** OFF! I would melt all my ships, modules and items, then quit taking my millions of ISK with me... Just out of spite for all the ***** players in this game. "Trust No One"
Ashton Black	Posted - 2003.09.19 11:07:00 - [2] Seriously.... can I have your stuff? hehehe.... bye
Jarjar	Posted - 2003.09.19 11:07:00 - [3] I can't see any problems with PK's, they only limit me from traveling through certain systems. Once in a while I meet a pirate somewhere (in local), but that doesn't get you killed, does it? Note that I HAVE lost a ship to a pirate - my first merlin when I had no clue at all. My first week btw
Skokeh	Posted - 2003.09.19 11:08:00 - [4] its basic economics.... if new people cant get into the game - the whole thing will dissapear.....
McWatt	Posted - 2003.09.19 11:14:00 - [5] yes, it s all the pk s fault. ccp had to waste all energy to put sentry guns everywhere. this was such a huge effort that everything else got messed up. i m glad that you are gone WD.
Lola	Posted - 2003.09.19 11:17:00 - [6] You're such a carebear. It's people like you, not the "griefers" who caused this chasm between 1.0-0.1 and 0.0. You whiny bastards come cry on the forum as soon as you got shot at instead of being prepared and not getting in over your head. Go play SWG where you have to ask people nicely if they would care to join you in a bit of PvP and let us grown-ups play. Seriously... go away. ----------------------------------------- Sig rented by Drethen Nerevitas.
WhiteDwarf	Posted - 2003.09.19 11:20:00 - [7] "i m glad that you are gone WD" I'm not gone yet. As a matter a fact, I may just stick around to make the griefers gaming experience as miserable as possible. Thank you, you just gave me a reason not to quit! Nothing would make me happier than getting more griefers to quit, maybe that will be my new mission... (not too different from my old one however...) "Trust No One"
Bogusheadbox	Posted - 2003.09.19 11:21:00 - [8] Maaate, what drugs are you on. Without PK'ers, the market would be truly Phuked. At least the PK'ers create a bit of supply and demand and make up for the rest of the crap market. Mate you have no idea. Your comment is both lacking in vision and direction and you have not made or provided any valid point that verifies your post. Why don't you try playing smarter? ----------- Dip me in
cold lazarus	Posted - 2003.09.19 11:22:00 - [9] i would like something cleared up for me what is a greiver??? A) Someone who play's the game to its fullest and enjoys it. if that means pking so be it its allowed. B) someone who is stupid enough to go into a pk hot spot thinking they will live and get podded then complain about it ? I blame the PK'ers (aka griefers) for ruining this game how they play the game and play it hard. the people who have started to ruin this game are the AFK miners AFK trade runners and all the i want i want i want crew who cry for devs to stop the nasty pirates from shooting me. And as there are more of them about filing petitions crying on the forums complaining instead of playing the game as it is. And you are right in a way WhiteDwarf the pk'ers are part to blame cos if they wernt in the game all the (i think the term is carebear) would have nothing to cry to the devs about. just my thoughts
DB Preacher	Posted - 2003.09.19 11:23:00 - [10] In response to you getting bored... Don't like the pirates? Do something about them. Don't like being a pk'er? stay in high sec space, there is very little reason to travel out to 0.0 unless you are looking for a fight. In response to your point about pirates being the problem for the game getting stale, i don't think it is stale in the slightest. There are wars raging across the galaxy, tech 2 is about to be released. Once CCP nail down the little bugs and lag caused during massive battles, i would hope they go on another recruiting run for the game. Personally, i don't think pk'ers are griefers unless they are using exploits to kill people. Running a blockade SHOULD be a part of the game, its damn exciting and there are ways around it. If there wasnt any pk'ers then the game WOULD get stale a lot quicker. Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
WhiteDwarf	Posted - 2003.09.19 11:23:00 - [11] "You whiny bastards come cry on the forum as soon as you got shot at instead of being prepared and not getting in over your head" I was never podded by a pirate, outsmarted thier lame tactics every time. Still does not justify the griefer play-style, I still hate them. I never whined about being podded etc, just wanted to let CCP know how a small group of griefers was destroying the gameplay for so many others, I WAS RIGHT. "Trust No One"
Lola	Posted - 2003.09.19 11:33:00 - [12] The most fun, most memorable experience I've had in this game was evading PKs. No silent miner or trader has given me even a slightly elevated heart beat. If I wanted to interact with the computer or just chat with people I'd go elsewhere because there are far less frustrating and buggy ways to do that. I suggest that's what you should do. ----------------------------------------- Sig rented by Drethen Nerevitas.
WhiteDwarf	Posted - 2003.09.19 11:33:00 - [13] "there is very little reason to travel out to 0.0 unless you are looking for a fight" Oh, so I can mine Bistot in high sec space now? Where? Plz tell me! "Trust No One"
McWatt	Posted - 2003.09.19 11:35:00 - [14] Quote: The most fun, most memorable experience I've had in this game was evading PKs. No silent miner or trader has given me even a slightly elevated heart beat. If I wanted to interact with the computer or just chat with people I'd go elsewhere because there are far less frustrating and buggy ways to do that. I suggest that's what you should do. good post lola. if i wanted only to chat, i d go to a place where i d the chance to talk to real girls once in a while...
Bogusheadbox	Posted - 2003.09.19 11:37:00 - [15] White dwarf, if you don't like the game then leave. But stop chucking a tantrum on the forrums cause you are bitter. YOu can make plenty of money without going to 0.0 space. But you will have to be prepared to be shot at if you do. That is the way the game works. That is how it IS supposed to be. <points to door> Use it pall !
cold lazarus	Posted - 2003.09.19 11:37:00 - [16] Quote: "there is very little reason to travel out to 0.0 unless you are looking for a fight" Oh, so I can mine Bistot in high sec space now? Where? Plz tell me! Is there a pirate in all of 0.0 space i dont think there is i fly 0.0 space to 10 space on a daily basis and have yet to be set upon by pirates so please dont tell us you cant mine bistot you can.
Sybylle	Posted - 2003.09.19 11:45:00 - [17] Personally, althought not being one, I think pirate have to be ingame. I played the beta and I must say that there have been a lot of changes since there (bad or good, all mixed together). But if their was no pirates ingame, I think Eve would only be a boring mining/trade game... AFK or macro mining is stupid. Go back to solo games to do that, or clearly the game will get boring for U, and then you gonna whine on forums about the lack of content, bad pirates killing you, griefers... Damn...With pirates game is a little more spicy. Just my 2 cents... (\_/) (O.o) (> <)=Oveur (proof) "Jumping 50 systems I can like, have sex 150 times during that period"
WhiteDwarf	Posted - 2003.09.19 11:46:00 - [18] If all of you think that I am wrong, then why has CCP taken the acion(s) they have taken? I tell you why, they need to hold on to the playerbase. The playersbase is at least 1/4 the size they were shooting for, they failed. I knew from the outset that 5000 players online at any given time was not going to allow the market to funtion properly. Then I saw what m0o was doing, and I saw FAILURE written all over this game. If I'm so wrong, why all the senrty guns in empire space? They are there to prove to you all that I am not wrong. BTW, I do mine in 0.0 space, all the time. I have been in 0.0 space now for like 6 weeks, I live there. Does not mean the pirates tactics are any less lame boardering on griefing out in 0.0. Gate camping is and always will be the main staple of "pirating" this game will ever see. What a shame... "Trust No One"
Daan	Posted - 2003.09.19 11:48:00 - [19] dude i got something for you https://secure.eve-online.com/login.asp go there, click "cancel subscribtion" it will make us all feel better ty
Krazy Karl	Posted - 2003.09.19 11:50:00 - [20] without pk there would be no reason to mine
Bogusheadbox	Posted - 2003.09.19 11:52:00 - [21] Urrrrrrgh Mate. I think you should stop playing games. I think you have forgotten it is a game. All i can say is you are wrong. the game needed moo. Moo provided a plot and story line when there was none. I would be **ed if i lost my ship to a blockade, but i know that we need them there. look at all the stories, aliances, battles that these corps have created. to say they are not needed in eve is about as smart as sticking a shopstick up your nose. You understanding is limited. If you just let go and say bye gracefully or stick around and play it like the game it is, then great. The problem with eve is not the griefers, for without them we would be bored, the problem is with instability and error issues. ------ Dip me in chocolate and throw me to the *****s.
WhiteDwarf	Posted - 2003.09.19 11:54:00 - [22] "The problem with eve is not the griefers, for without them we would be bored" Hmmm, CCP seems to dissagree... "Trust No One"
Daesdemona	Posted - 2003.09.19 12:01:00 - [23] white dwarf, you are the definition of Carebear. I am sorry, I usually don't say this to people. ----------------------------------------------- Bart: "Do you even have a job any more?" Homer: "I think its obvious that I Don't" -----------------------------------------------
cold lazarus	Posted - 2003.09.19 12:04:00 - [24] Quote: If all of you think that I am wrong, then why has CCP taken the acion(s) they have taken? I tell you why, they need to hold on to the playerbase. The playersbase is at least 1/4 the size they were shooting for, they failed. I knew from the outset that 5000 players online at any given time was not going to allow the market to funtion properly. Then I saw what m0o was doing, and I saw FAILURE written all over this game. If I'm so wrong, why all the senrty guns in empire space? They are there to prove to you all that I am not wrong. BTW, I do mine in 0.0 space, all the time. I have been in 0.0 space now for like 6 weeks, I live there. Does not mean the pirates tactics are any less lame boardering on griefing out in 0.0. Gate camping is and always will be the main staple of "pirating" this game will ever see. What a shame... I'll tell you why because all your carebear players cry for more. they were not happy with pirates in 0.0 space they cried give us protection they were not happy with blockades they cried give us protection they were not happy about pirates in 0.5 space they cried give us protection thatÆs what they do when things donÆt go their way they cry everyone else gets on with it. fight back, move base's become more vigilant in their chosen profession. but you carebears cry make my life easy please ccp change the code to give me more protection ( causing mass dismay in crashes) Lets take a look at a big point Carebear "WWWHHHAAAAA I have to make many jumps to get anywhere ccp I donÆt want to interact with others I donÆt want to hire haulage firms to haul my minerals make it easy for me" CCP "hey presto superhighways" crashy buggy superhighways ThatÆs whatÆs killing this game Devs forced to waste time implementing stupid things for the carebears without fixing the real bug issues. Oh an one more point What the hell is the use of camping a planet????? you see many haulers and ships warp to a jumpgate via all the planets in the system ? no you dont the gates are where the profit is
Lola	Posted - 2003.09.19 12:06:00 - [25] If you aren't going to leave at least make a valid point. You keep crying about "griefers" and keep saying how "right" you are but you really haven't made any solid points or proven anything. Shut up about m0o, they all quit, like you should do. Leave or have a valid argument, that's all I ask. You are the weakest link. ----------------------------------------- Sig rented by Drethen Nerevitas.
Stavros	Posted - 2003.09.19 12:13:00 - [26] go drink something posionous, for example bleech or some kind of acid. Thanks Stavros -- "Keep On Flaming Lamers, Like Your Ships Did When We Ended You"
Daesdemona	Posted - 2003.09.19 12:21:00 - [27] Edited by: Daesdemona on 19/09/2003 12:21:58 Quote: go drink something posionous, for example bleech or some kind of acid. Thanks Stavros Stav, I know you kow its bleach. Second time you make this mistake, I figured I'd let you know in case you ever put it on your resume. "Work Experience: Got several people to eat bleech as a consequence of my posts. Oh, and a few good acids would be Hydrocloric (everyone knows) and Baric ----------------------------------------------- Bart: "Do you even have a job any more?" Homer: "I think its obvious that I Don't" -----------------------------------------------
WhiteDwarf	Posted - 2003.09.19 12:23:00 - [28] "thatÆs what they do when things donÆt go their way they cry everyone else gets on with it. fight back, move base's become more vigilant in their chosen profession" I've done all that. As I said, I live in 0.0 space. How come pirates are the only ones who feel they don't have to adapt? They want thier gate camping, and they want it to be easy. I started out in this game in LoneTrek, mining in 0.0 space. After about a day of that rubbish, I moved to Nonni, and mined there for a while. This is about the time m0o decided to block mara/passari. I still went through the gate, defiant as ever, was not gonna let griefers ruin my gameplay, so I adapted with instajump bookmarks. Nothing better than watching a griefer cry cuase he can't kill a Bestower loaded with ore, or a frig with 5 mill worth of skills... I decided to try my hand at trading, robotics, electrical components, etc. All was going well until remote buy orders were put in place, so my trading days ended. At this time my corp found itself at war with SI, and I was being harrased by those numbnuts in LoneTrek, so I decided to move out of empire space, I needed to mine better ore anyways, so I moved out to .2 space. I mined out there for a while, running some blockades once in a while, etc. Then I decided it was time for our corp to mine some Bis, so I setup a deep space mining op to get mega. Now I live in 0.0 space, and find these alliances and extreme gate camping quite an annoyance, but I can adapt and deal with it with MWD + gate instajup bookmarks. The mega was flowing. Now I've done a lot of adapting, even tried NPC pirate hunting and farming, that seemed cheesy, so back to mining. Now I'm just simply bored. All these alliances are kind of a joke, and they don't impress me. "Trust No One"
Daesdemona	Posted - 2003.09.19 12:27:00 - [29] try sabotage. Or espionage, or agent missions, or exploring, or PVP hunting. There is a lot out there. ----------------------------------------------- Bart: "Do you even have a job any more?" Homer: "I think its obvious that I Don't" -----------------------------------------------
Darth Tom	Posted - 2003.09.19 12:28:00 - [30] Quote: I tell you why, they need to hold on to the playerbase. The playersbase is at least 1/4 the size they were shooting for, they failed. I knew from the outset that 5000 players online at any given time was not going to allow the market to funtion properly. Then I saw what m0o was doing, and I saw FAILURE written all over this game. Then why are you still playing? Seriously? I do wonder about the mental capabilities of someone who claims they were so visionary, so RIGHT about the impending doom of a game - that they kept on playing it, kept on throwing money at it. I shall now eagerly await your standard rebuttal, which is usually along the lines of "I'm still playing occasionally to see if CCP have acknowledged my genius and made this the game I demanded!" Cheers, TOM

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