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WhiteDwarf	Posted - 2003.09.19 11:01:00 - [1] This game has become very stale. I blame the PK'ers (aka griefers) for ruining this game. From the first day of the m0o blockade in mara/passari, I could see this coming. CCP has wasted all thier time and energy dealing with the PK problem, they have not been addressing any content or game mechanics issues of any relavence that would help keep subscribers renewing, or to bring in more players. I knew this would happen with an all out PvP system, but during beta I really thought the sec rating would keep PK'ers inline. CCP did not implement the sec rating system to it's full potential, now the game may as well be two separate servers 1.0 & 0.0 I have not played in two weeks, and am wondering if paying $13/mo is worth it for training skills, in the hope that someday I get re-intersted in the game? NO! YOU CAN NOT HAVE MY STUFF! *** OFF! I would melt all my ships, modules and items, then quit taking my millions of ISK with me... Just out of spite for all the ***** players in this game. "Trust No One"
Ashton Black	Posted - 2003.09.19 11:07:00 - [2] Seriously.... can I have your stuff? hehehe.... bye
Jarjar	Posted - 2003.09.19 11:07:00 - [3] I can't see any problems with PK's, they only limit me from traveling through certain systems. Once in a while I meet a pirate somewhere (in local), but that doesn't get you killed, does it? Note that I HAVE lost a ship to a pirate - my first merlin when I had no clue at all. My first week btw
Skokeh	Posted - 2003.09.19 11:08:00 - [4] its basic economics.... if new people cant get into the game - the whole thing will dissapear.....
McWatt	Posted - 2003.09.19 11:14:00 - [5] yes, it s all the pk s fault. ccp had to waste all energy to put sentry guns everywhere. this was such a huge effort that everything else got messed up. i m glad that you are gone WD.
Lola	Posted - 2003.09.19 11:17:00 - [6] You're such a carebear. It's people like you, not the "griefers" who caused this chasm between 1.0-0.1 and 0.0. You whiny bastards come cry on the forum as soon as you got shot at instead of being prepared and not getting in over your head. Go play SWG where you have to ask people nicely if they would care to join you in a bit of PvP and let us grown-ups play. Seriously... go away. ----------------------------------------- Sig rented by Drethen Nerevitas.
WhiteDwarf	Posted - 2003.09.19 11:20:00 - [7] "i m glad that you are gone WD" I'm not gone yet. As a matter a fact, I may just stick around to make the griefers gaming experience as miserable as possible. Thank you, you just gave me a reason not to quit! Nothing would make me happier than getting more griefers to quit, maybe that will be my new mission... (not too different from my old one however...) "Trust No One"
Bogusheadbox	Posted - 2003.09.19 11:21:00 - [8] Maaate, what drugs are you on. Without PK'ers, the market would be truly Phuked. At least the PK'ers create a bit of supply and demand and make up for the rest of the crap market. Mate you have no idea. Your comment is both lacking in vision and direction and you have not made or provided any valid point that verifies your post. Why don't you try playing smarter? ----------- Dip me in
cold lazarus	Posted - 2003.09.19 11:22:00 - [9] i would like something cleared up for me what is a greiver??? A) Someone who play's the game to its fullest and enjoys it. if that means pking so be it its allowed. B) someone who is stupid enough to go into a pk hot spot thinking they will live and get podded then complain about it ? I blame the PK'ers (aka griefers) for ruining this game how they play the game and play it hard. the people who have started to ruin this game are the AFK miners AFK trade runners and all the i want i want i want crew who cry for devs to stop the nasty pirates from shooting me. And as there are more of them about filing petitions crying on the forums complaining instead of playing the game as it is. And you are right in a way WhiteDwarf the pk'ers are part to blame cos if they wernt in the game all the (i think the term is carebear) would have nothing to cry to the devs about. just my thoughts
DB Preacher	Posted - 2003.09.19 11:23:00 - [10] In response to you getting bored... Don't like the pirates? Do something about them. Don't like being a pk'er? stay in high sec space, there is very little reason to travel out to 0.0 unless you are looking for a fight. In response to your point about pirates being the problem for the game getting stale, i don't think it is stale in the slightest. There are wars raging across the galaxy, tech 2 is about to be released. Once CCP nail down the little bugs and lag caused during massive battles, i would hope they go on another recruiting run for the game. Personally, i don't think pk'ers are griefers unless they are using exploits to kill people. Running a blockade SHOULD be a part of the game, its damn exciting and there are ways around it. If there wasnt any pk'ers then the game WOULD get stale a lot quicker. Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
WhiteDwarf	Posted - 2003.09.19 11:23:00 - [11] "You whiny bastards come cry on the forum as soon as you got shot at instead of being prepared and not getting in over your head" I was never podded by a pirate, outsmarted thier lame tactics every time. Still does not justify the griefer play-style, I still hate them. I never whined about being podded etc, just wanted to let CCP know how a small group of griefers was destroying the gameplay for so many others, I WAS RIGHT. "Trust No One"
Lola	Posted - 2003.09.19 11:33:00 - [12] The most fun, most memorable experience I've had in this game was evading PKs. No silent miner or trader has given me even a slightly elevated heart beat. If I wanted to interact with the computer or just chat with people I'd go elsewhere because there are far less frustrating and buggy ways to do that. I suggest that's what you should do. ----------------------------------------- Sig rented by Drethen Nerevitas.
WhiteDwarf	Posted - 2003.09.19 11:33:00 - [13] "there is very little reason to travel out to 0.0 unless you are looking for a fight" Oh, so I can mine Bistot in high sec space now? Where? Plz tell me! "Trust No One"
McWatt	Posted - 2003.09.19 11:35:00 - [14] Quote: The most fun, most memorable experience I've had in this game was evading PKs. No silent miner or trader has given me even a slightly elevated heart beat. If I wanted to interact with the computer or just chat with people I'd go elsewhere because there are far less frustrating and buggy ways to do that. I suggest that's what you should do. good post lola. if i wanted only to chat, i d go to a place where i d the chance to talk to real girls once in a while...
Bogusheadbox	Posted - 2003.09.19 11:37:00 - [15] White dwarf, if you don't like the game then leave. But stop chucking a tantrum on the forrums cause you are bitter. YOu can make plenty of money without going to 0.0 space. But you will have to be prepared to be shot at if you do. That is the way the game works. That is how it IS supposed to be. <points to door> Use it pall !
cold lazarus	Posted - 2003.09.19 11:37:00 - [16] Quote: "there is very little reason to travel out to 0.0 unless you are looking for a fight" Oh, so I can mine Bistot in high sec space now? Where? Plz tell me! Is there a pirate in all of 0.0 space i dont think there is i fly 0.0 space to 10 space on a daily basis and have yet to be set upon by pirates so please dont tell us you cant mine bistot you can.
Sybylle	Posted - 2003.09.19 11:45:00 - [17] Personally, althought not being one, I think pirate have to be ingame. I played the beta and I must say that there have been a lot of changes since there (bad or good, all mixed together). But if their was no pirates ingame, I think Eve would only be a boring mining/trade game... AFK or macro mining is stupid. Go back to solo games to do that, or clearly the game will get boring for U, and then you gonna whine on forums about the lack of content, bad pirates killing you, griefers... Damn...With pirates game is a little more spicy. Just my 2 cents... (\_/) (O.o) (> <)=Oveur (proof) "Jumping 50 systems I can like, have sex 150 times during that period"
WhiteDwarf	Posted - 2003.09.19 11:46:00 - [18] If all of you think that I am wrong, then why has CCP taken the acion(s) they have taken? I tell you why, they need to hold on to the playerbase. The playersbase is at least 1/4 the size they were shooting for, they failed. I knew from the outset that 5000 players online at any given time was not going to allow the market to funtion properly. Then I saw what m0o was doing, and I saw FAILURE written all over this game. If I'm so wrong, why all the senrty guns in empire space? They are there to prove to you all that I am not wrong. BTW, I do mine in 0.0 space, all the time. I have been in 0.0 space now for like 6 weeks, I live there. Does not mean the pirates tactics are any less lame boardering on griefing out in 0.0. Gate camping is and always will be the main staple of "pirating" this game will ever see. What a shame... "Trust No One"
Daan	Posted - 2003.09.19 11:48:00 - [19] dude i got something for you https://secure.eve-online.com/login.asp go there, click "cancel subscribtion" it will make us all feel better ty
Krazy Karl	Posted - 2003.09.19 11:50:00 - [20] without pk there would be no reason to mine
Bogusheadbox	Posted - 2003.09.19 11:52:00 - [21] Urrrrrrgh Mate. I think you should stop playing games. I think you have forgotten it is a game. All i can say is you are wrong. the game needed moo. Moo provided a plot and story line when there was none. I would be **ed if i lost my ship to a blockade, but i know that we need them there. look at all the stories, aliances, battles that these corps have created. to say they are not needed in eve is about as smart as sticking a shopstick up your nose. You understanding is limited. If you just let go and say bye gracefully or stick around and play it like the game it is, then great. The problem with eve is not the griefers, for without them we would be bored, the problem is with instability and error issues. ------ Dip me in chocolate and throw me to the *****s.
WhiteDwarf	Posted - 2003.09.19 11:54:00 - [22] "The problem with eve is not the griefers, for without them we would be bored" Hmmm, CCP seems to dissagree... "Trust No One"
Daesdemona	Posted - 2003.09.19 12:01:00 - [23] white dwarf, you are the definition of Carebear. I am sorry, I usually don't say this to people. ----------------------------------------------- Bart: "Do you even have a job any more?" Homer: "I think its obvious that I Don't" -----------------------------------------------
cold lazarus	Posted - 2003.09.19 12:04:00 - [24] Quote: If all of you think that I am wrong, then why has CCP taken the acion(s) they have taken? I tell you why, they need to hold on to the playerbase. The playersbase is at least 1/4 the size they were shooting for, they failed. I knew from the outset that 5000 players online at any given time was not going to allow the market to funtion properly. Then I saw what m0o was doing, and I saw FAILURE written all over this game. If I'm so wrong, why all the senrty guns in empire space? They are there to prove to you all that I am not wrong. BTW, I do mine in 0.0 space, all the time. I have been in 0.0 space now for like 6 weeks, I live there. Does not mean the pirates tactics are any less lame boardering on griefing out in 0.0. Gate camping is and always will be the main staple of "pirating" this game will ever see. What a shame... I'll tell you why because all your carebear players cry for more. they were not happy with pirates in 0.0 space they cried give us protection they were not happy with blockades they cried give us protection they were not happy about pirates in 0.5 space they cried give us protection thatÆs what they do when things donÆt go their way they cry everyone else gets on with it. fight back, move base's become more vigilant in their chosen profession. but you carebears cry make my life easy please ccp change the code to give me more protection ( causing mass dismay in crashes) Lets take a look at a big point Carebear "WWWHHHAAAAA I have to make many jumps to get anywhere ccp I donÆt want to interact with others I donÆt want to hire haulage firms to haul my minerals make it easy for me" CCP "hey presto superhighways" crashy buggy superhighways ThatÆs whatÆs killing this game Devs forced to waste time implementing stupid things for the carebears without fixing the real bug issues. Oh an one more point What the hell is the use of camping a planet????? you see many haulers and ships warp to a jumpgate via all the planets in the system ? no you dont the gates are where the profit is
Lola	Posted - 2003.09.19 12:06:00 - [25] If you aren't going to leave at least make a valid point. You keep crying about "griefers" and keep saying how "right" you are but you really haven't made any solid points or proven anything. Shut up about m0o, they all quit, like you should do. Leave or have a valid argument, that's all I ask. You are the weakest link. ----------------------------------------- Sig rented by Drethen Nerevitas.
Stavros	Posted - 2003.09.19 12:13:00 - [26] go drink something posionous, for example bleech or some kind of acid. Thanks Stavros -- "Keep On Flaming Lamers, Like Your Ships Did When We Ended You"
Daesdemona	Posted - 2003.09.19 12:21:00 - [27] Edited by: Daesdemona on 19/09/2003 12:21:58 Quote: go drink something posionous, for example bleech or some kind of acid. Thanks Stavros Stav, I know you kow its bleach. Second time you make this mistake, I figured I'd let you know in case you ever put it on your resume. "Work Experience: Got several people to eat bleech as a consequence of my posts. Oh, and a few good acids would be Hydrocloric (everyone knows) and Baric ----------------------------------------------- Bart: "Do you even have a job any more?" Homer: "I think its obvious that I Don't" -----------------------------------------------
WhiteDwarf	Posted - 2003.09.19 12:23:00 - [28] "thatÆs what they do when things donÆt go their way they cry everyone else gets on with it. fight back, move base's become more vigilant in their chosen profession" I've done all that. As I said, I live in 0.0 space. How come pirates are the only ones who feel they don't have to adapt? They want thier gate camping, and they want it to be easy. I started out in this game in LoneTrek, mining in 0.0 space. After about a day of that rubbish, I moved to Nonni, and mined there for a while. This is about the time m0o decided to block mara/passari. I still went through the gate, defiant as ever, was not gonna let griefers ruin my gameplay, so I adapted with instajump bookmarks. Nothing better than watching a griefer cry cuase he can't kill a Bestower loaded with ore, or a frig with 5 mill worth of skills... I decided to try my hand at trading, robotics, electrical components, etc. All was going well until remote buy orders were put in place, so my trading days ended. At this time my corp found itself at war with SI, and I was being harrased by those numbnuts in LoneTrek, so I decided to move out of empire space, I needed to mine better ore anyways, so I moved out to .2 space. I mined out there for a while, running some blockades once in a while, etc. Then I decided it was time for our corp to mine some Bis, so I setup a deep space mining op to get mega. Now I live in 0.0 space, and find these alliances and extreme gate camping quite an annoyance, but I can adapt and deal with it with MWD + gate instajup bookmarks. The mega was flowing. Now I've done a lot of adapting, even tried NPC pirate hunting and farming, that seemed cheesy, so back to mining. Now I'm just simply bored. All these alliances are kind of a joke, and they don't impress me. "Trust No One"
Daesdemona	Posted - 2003.09.19 12:27:00 - [29] try sabotage. Or espionage, or agent missions, or exploring, or PVP hunting. There is a lot out there. ----------------------------------------------- Bart: "Do you even have a job any more?" Homer: "I think its obvious that I Don't" -----------------------------------------------
Darth Tom	Posted - 2003.09.19 12:28:00 - [30] Quote: I tell you why, they need to hold on to the playerbase. The playersbase is at least 1/4 the size they were shooting for, they failed. I knew from the outset that 5000 players online at any given time was not going to allow the market to funtion properly. Then I saw what m0o was doing, and I saw FAILURE written all over this game. Then why are you still playing? Seriously? I do wonder about the mental capabilities of someone who claims they were so visionary, so RIGHT about the impending doom of a game - that they kept on playing it, kept on throwing money at it. I shall now eagerly await your standard rebuttal, which is usually along the lines of "I'm still playing occasionally to see if CCP have acknowledged my genius and made this the game I demanded!" Cheers, TOM
Carbon	Posted - 2003.09.19 12:34:00 - [31] Guys, WhiteDwarf is upset. There is no need to flame him. If you cannot/willnot entertain his argument in a civilized manner, and simply shout "carebear," I suggest not participating in the discussion. I can see past his emotional outbursts to what he feels is a problem - I will try to elaborate based on my interpretation: EVE has great potential. EVE's open PK system (non-level based) is usually only found in ROLEPLAYING games where there are severe death penalties and appropriately severe penalties for killing. These games also traditionally have a strict roleplay enforcement system to ensure griefers do not ruin the game atmosphere. The designers/developers obviously aren't familiar with the extreme level of depravity in other countries (and perhaps within their own) when deciding on using this PK system - some people really want to hurt, maim, kill and disrupt gameplay regardless of the theme of the game. You can find these types of people in ANY multiplayer game. These players usually cling to some part of the game rules to justify their actions - while at the same time admitting to finding the game "boring" and anyone who doesn't like to be bothered by "lamers" (or in this case "carebears"). When proper roleplaying guidelines are enforced, these players are very less obvious and do not distrupt gameplay.. when such rules are not in place, some people will always find some exploits in the game to intentionally upset other players. Or, they become those 'leet PK psychos that are obsessed with the highest damage possible, and seek out any potential target to demonstrat their mastery of killing, no matter how unbalanced the fight. Don't know if you've ever played a Godwars MUD (very juvenile PK flavour of a game), you may see some disturbing similarities to EVE. Unlike other MUD builds/models like Diku/Envy, there are no level limitations or options to be PK registered or not - everyone is a target no matter what level differential. There are also "safe" areas similar to high-sec space. The Godwars type of MUDs are actually limited to a single type of player - the PK enthusiast. Roleplayers cannot function in such an environment. There are so, so many parallels between such a MUD PK system and EVE's.. and I worry the whole Roleplaying element of the game will eventually drown in pointless playerkilling. For thos who don't know: MUD = Multi-User Domain (or Dungeon) and are text-based games.
cold lazarus	Posted - 2003.09.19 12:36:00 - [32] Quote: "thatÆs what they do when things donÆt go their way they cry everyone else gets on with it. fight back, move base's become more vigilant in their chosen profession" I've done all that. As I said, I live in 0.0 space. How come pirates are the only ones who feel they don't have to adapt? They want thier gate camping, and they want it to be easy. I started out in this game in LoneTrek, mining in 0.0 space. After about a day of that rubbish, I moved to Nonni, and mined there for a while. This is about the time m0o decided to block mara/passari. I still went through the gate, defiant as ever, was not gonna let griefers ruin my gameplay, so I adapted with instajump bookmarks. Nothing better than watching a griefer cry cuase he can't kill a Bestower loaded with ore, or a frig with 5 mill worth of skills... I decided to try my hand at trading, robotics, electrical components, etc. All was going well until remote buy orders were put in place, so my trading days ended. At this time my corp found itself at war with SI, and I was being harrased by those numbnuts in LoneTrek, so I decided to move out of empire space, I needed to mine better ore anyways, so I moved out to .2 space. I mined out there for a while, running some blockades once in a while, etc. Then I decided it was time for our corp to mine some Bis, so I setup a deep space mining op to get mega. Now I live in 0.0 space, and find these alliances and extreme gate camping quite an annoyance, but I can adapt and deal with it with MWD + gate instajup bookmarks. The mega was flowing. Now I've done a lot of adapting, even tried NPC pirate hunting and farming, that seemed cheesy, so back to mining. Now I'm just simply bored. All these alliances are kind of a joke, and they don't impress me. So WTF you crying about ? your bored ? go elswhere. you have adapted and changed yes so have the pirates they changed just like you did. they have had to deal with changes in code.
Daesdemona	Posted - 2003.09.19 12:38:00 - [33] I just think he is overinflating a non-existant problem, that comes out because of the failure of some people to adapt to situational hazards. ----------------------------------------------- Bart: "Do you even have a job any more?" Homer: "I think its obvious that I Don't" -----------------------------------------------
WhiteDwarf	Posted - 2003.09.19 12:38:00 - [34] "and I worry the whole Roleplaying element of the game will eventually drown in pointless playerkilling" Eventually? It has been like that from day one! I'm all for role playing, but what good does it do you when you run into a bunch of griefers???? "Trust No One"
cold lazarus	Posted - 2003.09.19 12:39:00 - [35] Quote: "and I worry the whole Roleplaying element of the game will eventually drown in pointless playerkilling" Eventually? It has been like that from day one! I'm all for role playing, but what good does it do you when you run into a bunch of griefers???? go elswere dude eve aint for you
Kalle Port	Posted - 2003.09.19 12:39:00 - [36] Quote: As a matter a fact, I may just stick around to make the griefers gaming experience as miserable as possible. Thank you, you just gave me a reason not to quit! Nothing would make me happier than getting more griefers to quit, maybe that will be my new mission... (not too different from my old one however...) So you are going to become a griefer yourelf now? Well you already were but now you even state it on the forums -gate camping. Well according to CCP being a pirate is a possibility in the game. But the only place you can actually BE a pirate is at a jumpgate. Only some players were griefing the players who wanted to roleplay a pirate by abusing the game mechanic of instajumps. The way i see it (and i am NOT a pirate but i do partake in corporation wars) CCP had to waste time both on solving real griefing but even more time on the silly requests of the carebears like you. Why oh why do we need highway gates? Because 'some' players where complaining they couldn't travel the whole galaxy in less than an hour, result? the market is fubar, you can buy everything everywhere at almost the same price. This 'baby' roid problem. Lots of carebears whining about it when they can solve it themselves. Try moving a few systems and mine the hige roids. But NO, lets whine to CCP in stead of doing that little extra effort. Why use industrials to move ore around when we can simply whine to CCP to reset the roid fields? Its both the 'real griefers' as the carebears that are to blame for the current state of the game.
Daesdemona	Posted - 2003.09.19 12:43:00 - [37] Quote: "and I worry the whole Roleplaying element of the game will eventually drown in pointless playerkilling" Eventually? It has been like that from day one! I'm all for role playing, but what good does it do you when you run into a bunch of griefers???? You don't Listen, even when you roleplay you can run into things that just want to kill you, you try talkign to them, you try reasoning, NO, they just want your blood, NPC rats are the same, except they are not as strong or well organized as PC players, they do not adapt in real-time to your tactics, they do not pose an interesting challenge. Now, if its the whole lag-jump thing you are talking about, immagine this: You are a group of brigands, you want to steal ** from people that have to go through a mountain pass, You find the ideal location, then you drop rocks on them unseen and kill them to rob them of their goods. Their chance = 0 BUT IT STILL HAPPENS. Now, had they been smart they would have sent a scout ahead, and maybe realized that going through the pass was not such a good idea. ----------------------------------------------- Bart: "Do you even have a job any more?" Homer: "I think its obvious that I Don't**" -----------------------------------------------
WhiteDwarf	Posted - 2003.09.19 12:45:00 - [38] "I just think he is overinflating a non-existant problem, that comes out because of the failure of some people to adapt to situational hazards" I've adapted just fine thank you very much. The only time I was podded was when I foolishly tried AFK minnning with my alt, never did AFK anything, ever again LOL. What I want, is what I paid for, I paid for a ponetially great and immersive game, all I see is lag, bugs, empty promises and griefers telling me that because I'm not a PK'er, or am not happy to be cannon fodder for a PK'er, I should leave cause I don't have a clue how to play. Do I have to wait 1 year, and fork over $60 + $13*12 = $216 for a game to deliver what was promised? If that's how MMO's work, damn, talk about a scam... "Trust No One"
Daan	Posted - 2003.09.19 12:48:00 - [39] you still here? pls leave
Daesdemona	Posted - 2003.09.19 12:48:00 - [40] Depends on what it is you want. List your biggest problem with EVE. Griefers? if so define what griefs you out of liking this game. ----------------------------------------------- Bart: "Do you even have a job any more?" Homer: "I think its obvious that I Don't" -----------------------------------------------
cold lazarus	Posted - 2003.09.19 12:50:00 - [41] Quote: What I want, is what I paid for, I paid for a ponetially great and immersive game, all I see is lag, bugs, empty promises and griefers telling me that because I'm not a PK'er, or am not happy to be cannon fodder for a PK'er, I should leave cause I don't have a clue how to play. so what do you want?? it seems to me you just dont like the game or its mechanics. Give a list of what YOU want to be able to do in eve.
WhiteDwarf	Posted - 2003.09.19 12:51:00 - [42] "This 'baby' roid problem. Lots of carebears whining about it when they can solve it themselves. Try moving a few systems and mine the hige roids" It took my corp about 7 days to mine out all the Bis in a system with about 9 belts. We have moved on, it's been 2 fukking weeks and those roids are still babies. If they would just tell us that the Bis is never coming back fine, but CCP has admitted that it's a bug, or a design flaw. Don't think I just sit and ***** when things get difficult, I've adapted as much or more than most players would. I just don't see things getting better, they get more fukked up with every patch. I don't see any light at the end of the tunnel, and the ones who caused this whole chain of events are the players like m0o. "Trust No One"
Lola	Posted - 2003.09.19 12:53:00 - [43] Quote: Guys, WhiteDwarf is upset....<snip> He's been on the forum a while and he's always screaming about griefers but he comes off as the type of person who would call a person with a hotel on boardwalk a griefer. His definition of grief play is not the real definition. Grief play is harassment. Harassment will get you banned. Pirates are a part of the game. You are supposed to fight each other in EVE. He doesn't make valid points. The back of the box says: Dauntless fleet commander, or the most nefarious pirate ever to terrorize the galaxy-- be and do anything you'd never dare imagine. This game just is not for him if he can't stand to have someone shoot at him from time to time. I'm sick of hearing him cry and I'm sick of how lame things are getting because of all the people who instead of fighting back file petitions. 0.1 security space is as safe as 1.0 now. What more does he want? ----------------------------------------- Sig rented by Drethen Nerevitas.
WhiteDwarf	Posted - 2003.09.19 12:58:00 - [44] "you still here? pls leave" Stop your whining you fukking carebear! If you don't like your situation, do something about it! Sound familiar? "Trust No One"
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.09.19 12:59:00 - [45] Quote: Edited by: Daesdemona on 19/09/2003 12:21:58 Quote: go drink something posionous, for example bleech or some kind of acid. Thanks Stavros Stav, I know you kow its bleach. Second time you make this mistake, I figured I'd let you know in case you ever put it on your resume. "Work Experience: Got several people to eat bleech as a consequence of my posts. Oh, and a few good acids would be Hydrocloric (everyone knows) and Baric Aqua regis I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
cold lazarus	Posted - 2003.09.19 13:00:00 - [46] Quote: "you still here? pls leave" Stop your whining you fukking carebear! If you don't like your situation, do something about it! Sound familiar? are you on drugs ?
Daesdemona	Posted - 2003.09.19 13:00:00 - [47] so you have a problem with the General forum, not the game. ----------------------------------------------- Bart: "Do you even have a job any more?" Homer: "I think its obvious that I Don't" -----------------------------------------------
Stavros	Posted - 2003.09.19 13:00:00 - [48] my spelling > u -- "Keep On Flaming Lamers, Like Your Ships Did When We Ended You"
Daan	Posted - 2003.09.19 13:01:00 - [49] Quote: "you still here? pls leave" Stop your whining you fukking carebear! If you don't like your situation, do something about it! Sound familiar? leave
Demangel	Posted - 2003.09.19 13:01:00 - [50] Dwarf you tiny little white crybaby... Stop lumping PVP'er and griefers into the same group. I've known MANY more respectable PVP enthusiasts in my lifetime in all the games I've played than respectable Carebear POWER GAMERZ! One side accepts that this is a Damn MMORPG and actually interacts and ever tries to INTERFERE with players goals, while little lamazoids like you roam around playing NPC spawn camping olympics, and mine Veldspar roids in 1.0 sec space with frigging megathrons! So STFU, you ARE the problem... To you this game is nothing more than a super powerful chat program. go back to EQ and leave us alone... As for griefers, I actually agree with you, they hurt ALL games, but a PVP player and a griefer are two totaly different things... The PVP player embraces balanced gameplay and enjoys the challenge, the griefer pods newbs in newbi systems, sets rediculous buy and sell orders, and spams real life racial slurs in local channels. they exploit cheat and use loopholes to get around the rules, and generally have fun at other peoples EMOTIONAL expense, not because it just so happens to annoy people, but precisely BECAUSE it annoys people. for every 1 Griefer there is ALWAYS 10+ respectable PVPers at the very least. So get over yourself, and your holier than though attitude. To everyone else, Sorry about the flame but for some time now Dwarf has had this comin... I'm not a griefer, but in this care bears case I might make an exception... If I ever even see him... Galaxion > If you drove a car shaped like a thorax women would call you Demangel > Dude... I would call.. Demangel > wait that sounded g@y I bet. Galaxion > Just a bit.
WhiteDwarf	Posted - 2003.09.19 13:04:00 - [51] "I'm sick of hearing him cry and I'm sick of how lame things are getting because of all the people who instead of fighting back file petitions. 0.1 security space is as safe as 1.0 now. What more does he want?" A market that works A black market A stock market Player stations Mobile refineries Non "landmark" based navigation No lag (within reason, I understand it's an online game) No crippling bugs (CTD causing bugs) Sec rating and faction standing to actually work as invisioned (this would eliminate a lot of the pirate vs griefers issues) Basically everything that was promised to the people who bought the game. I want to have fun... Right now EVE is not fun, it's work, and it's a pizzing contest between PK'ers and eveyone else... "Trust No One"
WhiteDwarf	Posted - 2003.09.19 13:07:00 - [52] "go back to EQ and leave us alone..." I never played that game... "Trust No One"
Daan	Posted - 2003.09.19 13:12:00 - [53] Quote: "go back to EQ and leave us alone..." I never played that game... try it, anything that makes you leave
WhiteDwarf	Posted - 2003.09.19 13:13:00 - [54] "The PVP player embraces balanced gameplay and enjoys the challenge, the griefer pods newbs in newbi systems, sets rediculous buy and sell orders, and spams real life racial slurs in local channels. they exploit cheat and use loopholes to get around the rules, and generally have fun at other peoples EMOTIONAL expense, not because it just so happens to annoy people, but precisely BECAUSE it annoys people. for every 1 Griefer there is ALWAYS 10+ respectable PVPers at the very least" You would have to prove this to me, because in EVE, it seems like you would have to reverse those numbers... "Trust No One"
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.09.19 13:14:00 - [55] Quote: Guys, WhiteDwarf is upset. There is no need to flame him. If you cannot/willnot entertain his argument in a civilized manner, and simply shout "carebear," I suggest not participating in the discussion. I can see past his emotional outbursts to what he feels is a problem - I will try to elaborate based on my interpretation: There are tons of reason to flame the WhiteDork. The majority of the time he's spent on these forums has been flaming everyone in sight that even looks like they had a negative sec rating. He's a miner. Nothing more. Player pirates are a hinderance to him delivering the fruits of his hours of mindless labor, looking at the pretty colors of his mining laser hit a rock that looks identical to the one he shot weeks ago. And who does he blame for his boredom? The pirates, though he has yet to provide any logical link to how people he swears he evades so easily have the remotest effect on his gameplay. What are they doing, Whitedwarf? Preventing people from coming out and joining you in low sec space so you can all sit in a roid belt and have a race to 100 units of Dark Ochre? Chat channels broken so you don't have anything to keep you distracted when you hear that mind numbing 1 billionth drone of your mining lasers? I care not for Whitedwarf's feelings. He's given more than enough people on these forums the same kicks in the ribs to people laying on the floor like the coward he is. Normally I imagine the ships of people like him to actually be pink. Not his. Canary Yellow I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Demangel	Posted - 2003.09.19 13:15:00 - [56] Then let me restate it White, TRY EQ, and never return... Trust me its exactly the kind of game your looking for. Join a non PVP server and Camp things just as boring as asteroids for the same price, and never have to face another dynamic challenge again. Your problem is you want a massively CO OP Game, Not a Massively Multiplayer Online Role playing game with a PVP focus. I mean what do you want a god damn mining simulator made just for you? GET LOST DWARF! Galaxion > If you drove a car shaped like a thorax women would call you Demangel > Dude... I would call.. Demangel > wait that sounded g@y I bet. Galaxion > Just a bit.
WhiteDwarf	Posted - 2003.09.19 13:15:00 - [57] "try it, anything that makes you leave" I thnik I will stay, now that I know it pizzez you off... If you can't beat the griefers, join them, right? "Trust No One"
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.09.19 13:18:00 - [58] Quote: I mean what do you want a god damn mining simulator made just for you? Demangel, if you had ever read Whitedwarf's signature you wouldn't have to ask that question. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Daan	Posted - 2003.09.19 13:19:00 - [59] Quote: "try it, anything that makes you leave" I thnik I will stay, now that I know it pizzez you off... If you can't beat the griefers, join them, right? sure, come to curse
Demangel	Posted - 2003.09.19 13:19:00 - [60] Quote: You would have to prove this to me, because in EVE, it seems like you would have to reverse those numbers... This is the best argument you can make against my opinions? I mean if thats the whole problem maybe your just in the wrong area of space... In my old corp for example everyone woulda come running to help you from the "mean old PVP pirates" and enjoyed doing it. I think your delusional my friend. Did you even READ the faq describing how the game would be played? About the only thing I'm willing to submit that MIGHT be music to your ears, is that to a degree, PVP combat in EVE is about all there is in terms of content so far... Unless your a CEO or somehting maybe. I really suggest you either shut up and leave, or strap some frigging guns to your uber miner battleship or whatever you have, and go shoot someone, or are you afriad it might actually make you feel good for a change? Galaxion > If you drove a car shaped like a thorax women would call you Demangel > Dude... I would call.. Demangel > wait that sounded g@y I bet. Galaxion > Just a bit.
Lola	Posted - 2003.09.19 13:19:00 - [61] Quote: "I'm sick of hearing him cry and I'm sick of how lame things are getting because of all the people who instead of fighting back file petitions. 0.1 security space is as safe as 1.0 now. What more does he want?" A market that works A black market A stock market Player stations Mobile refineries Non "landmark" based navigation No lag (within reason, I understand it's an online game) No crippling bugs (CTD causing bugs) Sec rating and faction standing to actually work as invisioned (this would eliminate a lot of the pirate vs griefers issues) Basically everything that was promised to the people who bought the game. I want to have fun... Right now EVE is not fun, it's work, and it's a pizzing contest between PK'ers and eveyone else... And yet instead of posting that you want those features you came on here and said: Quote: This game has become very stale. I blame the PK'ers (aka griefers) for ruining this game. From the first day of the m0o blockade in mara/passari, I could see this coming. NO! YOU CAN NOT HAVE MY STUFF! ***** OFF! Like you've been crying about since the game went live. WTF do you expect CCP to work on with you going off about griefers all time? It's YOUR FAULT that CCP has been making the game safer and safer every patch instead of working on new content. You haven't been cryng about features, you've been crying about other people who are just playing the game the way it was meant to be played. Stop pointing fingers and look in the mirror. ----------------------------------------- Sig rented by Drethen Nerevitas.
Demangel	Posted - 2003.09.19 13:22:00 - [62] heheh Quote: Demangel, if you had ever read Whitedwarf's signature you wouldn't have to ask that question. Yeah I noticed it some time ago, and in one of his posts about all the "Mining" he does... But thanks for pointing it out, I think the red I was seeing about this care bears "feelings" was interupting my higher brain functions LOL. Oh yeah SEE DWARF!? Jash and I are talking respectfully and civily and with honor! Seeeeeeeeee PVP enthusiasts CAN be good people. come on over to the dark side... you know you want to... Galaxion > If you drove a car shaped like a thorax women would call you Demangel > Dude... I would call.. Demangel > wait that sounded g@y I bet. Galaxion > Just a bit.
WhiteDwarf	Posted - 2003.09.19 13:25:00 - [63] "you've been crying about other people who are just playing the game the way it was meant to be played" That is quite laughable... "Trust No One"
WhiteDwarf	Posted - 2003.09.19 13:30:00 - [64] Edited by: WhiteDwarf on 19/09/2003 13:31:04 Maybe I'll make all of you happy for a while, and avaoid EVE and the forums while I play HomeWorld 2... I'll try to avoid pizzing you guys off for about a nonth or two, and see what it's like when I get back. I don't know why, but somehow I must be a magnet in-game for attracting the "bad" type of PVP'ers (griefers) as opposed to the honorable ones... "Trust No One"
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.09.19 13:33:00 - [65] Quote: Edited by: WhiteDwarf on 19/09/2003 13:31:04 Maybe I'll make all of you happy for a while, and avaoid EVE and the forums while I play HomeWorld 2... I'll try to avoid pizzing you guys off for about a nonth or two, and see what it's like when I get back. I don't know why, but somehow I must be a magnet in-game for attracting the "bad" type of PVP'ers (griefers) as opposed to the honorable ones... I'm not a PK but every post I've seen from you in a thread concerning piracy has made me weigh the price of giving up a corp of pretty good people for the chance to go hunt you down and pod you so often you'd start begging CCP for a way to equip mining lasers on your pod. It'd be the only ship you'd get to keep. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Lola	Posted - 2003.09.19 13:33:00 - [66] Quote: "you've been crying about other people who are just playing the game the way it was meant to be played" That is quite laughable... Take Stavros' advice... seriously. ----------------------------------------- Sig rented by Drethen Nerevitas.
Demangel	Posted - 2003.09.19 13:35:00 - [67] Edited by: Demangel on 19/09/2003 13:37:16 OK white since you recantred a bit and are atleast listening to reason I'll stop flaming you now, out of kindness. But just in case you need more prodding here is some reccomended reading. From the FAQ: 1.11: what will gameplay be like? When the player has mastered the basics of the game, amassed some money and equipment and advanced his/her character through basic skills, the possibilities become almost endless. Players who wish to explore peaceful paths can continue to upgrade their ships to bigger and better-defended cargo vessels, purchase advanced mining or research equipment, and continue to develop their character by specializing in their preferred skills. Others will choose to explore more dangerous path, such as piracy, smuggling or bounty hunting. There will even be ways of making money through such activities as spying on other players and reporting illegal activity. from 1.12: How will the game being massively multiplayer effect game play: Groups of players will be able to build and manage space stations, start up major mining operations on planets and asteroids, manufacture goods and equipment and, no less importantly, fight other groups of players for their bases and resources. But wait there is more! An entire PAGE devoted to something in EVE you obviously hate: COMBAT! link to Faq page about combat Oh no no no, I'm still not done yet... Although much of the info here might be somewhat out of date, the basic premis is still the same: read this entire page about the legal system: Page from the faq on law and order and finaly, as it has some relevance: 7.3 Are wars possible between corporations? Most definitely. One of the main purposes of corporations is to allow formal wars to be fought over resources, trade routes, strategic systems or simple pride. It will be possible to force one warring side to surrender to another, details of which will be released closer to the date of issue. These kind of wars will be legal in the sense that players belonging to the two warring corporations can attack each other without impunity, without losses in security status. Galaxion > If you drove a car shaped like a thorax women would call you Demangel > Dude... I would call.. Demangel > wait that sounded g@y I bet. Galaxion > Just a bit.
Danton Marcellus	Posted - 2003.09.19 13:36:00 - [68] Ah, countergriefing, just as valid a word as counterterrorism. Convert Stations
WhiteDwarf	Posted - 2003.09.19 13:42:00 - [69] "I'm not a PK but every post I've seen from you in a thread concerning piracy has made me weigh the price of giving up a corp of pretty good people for the chance to go hunt you down and pod you so often you'd start begging CCP for a way to equip mining lasers on your pod" LOL, it would actually be fun making you guys look bad, LOL Just ask the ENTIRE SI corp, LOL. If they can't get me... "Trust No One"
anora	Posted - 2003.09.19 15:47:00 - [70] BOOHOO cya
Daesdemona	Posted - 2003.09.19 15:50:00 - [71] I jsut played the Homeworld 2 demo. After eve, all other graphics are garbage. ----------------------------------------------- Bart: "Do you even have a job any more?" Homer: "I think its obvious that I Don't" -----------------------------------------------
WhiteDwarf	Posted - 2003.09.19 15:52:00 - [72] "After eve, all other graphics are garbage" Too bad graphics alone is not gonna keep this game afloat... "Trust No One"
Daesdemona	Posted - 2003.09.19 15:54:00 - [73] you are right, people like you leaving is wha is going to do it. ----------------------------------------------- Bart: "Do you even have a job any more?" Homer: "I think its obvious that I Don't" -----------------------------------------------
WhiteDwarf	Posted - 2003.09.19 15:58:00 - [74] "you are right, people like you leaving is wha is going to do it" LOL, I alone am in no way hindering the DEV team. If you are trying to label me as a "carebear" who is wrecking this game, I hate to say it, but if "people like me" keep leaving, the game will not stay afloat. This game should be increasing in number of subscribers, not decreasing. So much for 24,000 simultanious players, that number will never happen, too bad the market & 5000 solar system setup was designed for that number... "Trust No One"
Daesdemona	Posted - 2003.09.19 15:59:00 - [75] are you still here? ----------------------------------------------- Bart: "Do you even have a job any more?" Homer: "I think its obvious that I Don't" -----------------------------------------------
WhiteDwarf	Posted - 2003.09.19 16:05:00 - [76] "are you still here?" You better believe it baby! "Trust No One"
cball	Posted - 2003.09.19 16:09:00 - [77] Quote: You're such a carebear. It's people like you, not the "griefers" who caused this chasm between 1.0-0.1 and 0.0. You whiny bastards come cry on the forum as soon as you got shot at instead of being prepared and not getting in over your head. Go play SWG where you have to ask people nicely if they would care to join you in a bit of PvP and let us grown-ups play. Seriously... go away. --troll post-- typical griefer whine, "waaaa, mommy, the carebears ruined the game when they took out the exploits and cheats I was using, waaaaa!!!" ...fear the evil monkey in your hanger...
Pirindolo	Posted - 2003.09.19 16:20:00 - [78] Quote: This 'baby' roid problem. Lots of carebears whining about it when they can solve it themselves. Try moving a few systems and mine the hige roids. But NO, lets whine to CCP in stead of doing that little extra effort. Why use industrials to move ore around when we can simply whine to CCP to reset the roid fields? What a bunch of stupid words. If you don't know what is happening with asteroids, just shut up.
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.09.19 16:21:00 - [79] Quote: "you are right, people like you leaving is wha is going to do it" LOL, I alone am in no way hindering the DEV team. If you are trying to label me as a "carebear" who is wrecking this game, I hate to say it, but if "people like me" keep leaving, the game will not stay afloat. This game should be increasing in number of subscribers, not decreasing. So much for 24,000 simultanious players, that number will never happen, too bad the market & 5000 solar system setup was designed for that number... Whitedwarf, few people are leaving over getting killed. It doesn't happen all that often. Anyone that thinks the exodus is led by people upset at getting shot by pirates is delusional. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Daesdemona	Posted - 2003.09.19 16:23:00 - [80] carebears whine about "griefers" griefers whine about "carebears" jeez, so sad ----------------------------------------------- Bart: "Do you even have a job any more?" Homer: "I think its obvious that I Don't" -----------------------------------------------
WhiteDwarf	Posted - 2003.09.19 16:24:00 - [81] "Whitedwarf, few people are leaving over getting killed. It doesn't happen all that often. Anyone that thinks the exodus is led by people upset at getting shot by pirates is delusional." Whatever floats your boat dude. Either way, people are going through the door the wrong way... "Trust No One"
Bobby Wilson	Posted - 2003.09.19 16:40:00 - [82] Bah, whatever. I don't like PKing or PKers, but this is now as fixed as it needs to be. 0.5+ is basically safe, 0.1 -0.4 is risky but can't be gatecamped, 0.0 is a wilderness, varying between full of neat ore and NPCs with no player activity, and insanely violent systems requiring an actively suicidal player to attempt. Me, I use the map. Find a dead end star system with no pilots in it and less than 5 jumps to it in 24 hours. You're safe for quite awhile, you just gotta find a safe way home :) So please, let's drop the whole "PKers are destroying EVE" thing. This WAS true. This is NO LONGER true. End of story. BW Originally by: Selim Cool, congrats. Oh, stupid idea by the way.
Daesdemona	Posted - 2003.09.19 16:42:00 - [83] Repent Repent! the day offa the reckoning is upponna us! Praise Praissssa the Lorrrd! ----------------------------------------------- Bart: "Do you even have a job any more?" Homer: "I think its obvious that I Don't" -----------------------------------------------
Bobby Wilson	Posted - 2003.09.19 16:52:00 - [84] Quote: Whitedwarf, few people are leaving over getting killed. It doesn't happen all that often. Anyone that thinks the exodus is led by people upset at getting shot by pirates is delusional. I agree. Some people are quitting the game because they lost their first cruiser/ battleship/indy/whatever. Most come crawling back a week later though. In general, anyone who is such a sucky baby that they won't play any game without a "save point" allowing them no risk isn't really going to get EVE anyways. As for why most people are really quitting, I've seen some of the most active and powerful players in the game quit, and most players I run into on a daily basis have joined fairly recently. I think boredom and bugs lose us far more subscribers than PKers ATM. And frankly I've lost waaaaay more ships to the cap bug and/or NPC pirates than I've lost to PKers. Maybe we should take the guns away from NPCS too! Then we could all just shoot unarmed NPC indys to get our miner IIs? Or just all of us mine, and buy everything off the market. Like, um, even better mining lasers! YEAH, and maybe even better mining drones! And even bigger cargo expanders! How exciting!!!! Maybe that'd keep people from quitting (sarcasm metre registers 10). BW Originally by: Selim Cool, congrats. Oh, stupid idea by the way.
Captain Carebear	Posted - 2003.09.19 16:53:00 - [85] Carebears are right in blaming the PK'ers for the lack of content. Go back all the way to m0o and the stacked modules incident (you know, when they were "invincible" and whole fleets were lost trying to take them out). m0o acknowledged it was a game flaw but used them anyway. Then we had Tank CEO killing newbies in 1.0 space with his -10.0 security rating. Gate camping and blowing up anything in site. I believe CCP intended pirates to be part of the game. Pirates like the Space Invaders crew early on not PK psycho killers who blow you up for no reason then to get their own jollies. If PK players (not pirates now) weren't in the game look back and ask yourself honestly would we have had these radical changes we've had? The answer is no of course not. These PK players who are the real reason we've got no content should go play counterstrike to murder everyone in sight or they should look at honest piracy. PvP isn't lagging people at a jump in point with eight harvestor drones. Now CCP has to deal with that exploit as well. More time wasted dealing with a very small percentage of the Eve population that cotinually causes trouble and misery for the other 90% who want to play. People confuse PvP with PK. In defending PK your are NOT defending PvP. Your defending a playing style that brings NOTHING to the game. If these people were in real life we'd call them serial killers. I'm not saying get rid of PvP totally I dont think anyone is. But when youve been victimized by lame exploiting griefers for so long of course you combine PvP and PK in your mind and want to see it all eliminated. So PK players, will you start to play as decent pirates, will you play honorably and not go out of your way to find game exploits or design flaws? If you do this CCP wont have to waste so much time dealing with you and can spend time getting content for us. If you dont want to do this Id really like someone to explain what they get out of slaugthering a helpless enemy (often when the enemy is still logging into space)? That isnt PvP at all.
Data Loss	Posted - 2003.09.19 16:59:00 - [86] tell it to them borther!!!! SPEAK ON, POWER TO THE CAREBEARS!!!!
Daesdemona	Posted - 2003.09.19 17:05:00 - [87] so weak ----------------------------------------------- Bart: "Do you even have a job any more?" Homer: "I think its obvious that I Don't" -----------------------------------------------
Data Loss	Posted - 2003.09.19 17:07:00 - [88] your getting behind in posts daes. now your just posting one or two word posts, you can do better than that
Daesdemona	Posted - 2003.09.19 17:13:00 - [89] Ok, let me explain why this argument is so weak, although I'll be repeating the same things everyone knows. Carebears and Griefers are the same, they ***** about what hurts their profession, they say stop whining when something hurts the opposing side, they are not constructive, just like this post is just a string of insults to our intelligence which we bother replying to simply because of boredom. So, keep complaining, keep complaining about the complaining or adapt, or then again, leave, I don't really care. But I still think its [eric cartman] "fcking weak you guys..." ----------------------------------------------- Bart: "Do you even have a job any more?" Homer: "I think its obvious that I Don't*" -----------------------------------------------
Beringe	Posted - 2003.09.19 17:30:00 - [90] Quote: Carebears and Griefers are the same, Bingo. Bad sheep in both flocks. Rotten apples in every batch, and a whole bunch of other clichÚ's I can't be bothered to think of atm. You guys are just different sides of the same coin. But guess what...neither of you are going to ruin this game for me, nor is a bad patch day or three. ------------------------------------------- "My main griveance with the Caldari state was that once I had finished my work for them, they wanted me dead." "No, it's none of your business."
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.09.19 17:32:00 - [91] Quote: Carebears are right in blaming the PK'ers for the lack of content. Go back all the way to m0o and the stacked modules incident (you know, when they were "invincible" and whole fleets were lost trying to take them out). m0o acknowledged it was a game flaw but used them anyway. Then we had Tank CEO killing newbies in 1.0 space with his -10.0 security rating. Gate camping and blowing up anything in site. I believe CCP intended pirates to be part of the game. Pirates like the Space Invaders crew early on not PK psycho killers who blow you up for no reason then to get their own jollies. If PK players (not pirates now) weren't in the game look back and ask yourself honestly would we have had these radical changes we've had? The answer is no of course not. These PK players who are the real reason we've got no content should go play counterstrike to murder everyone in sight or they should look at honest piracy. PvP isn't lagging people at a jump in point with eight harvestor drones. Now CCP has to deal with that exploit as well. More time wasted dealing with a very small percentage of the Eve population that cotinually causes trouble and misery for the other 90% who want to play. People confuse PvP with PK. In defending PK your are NOT defending PvP. Your defending a playing style that brings NOTHING to the game. If these people were in real life we'd call them serial killers. I'm not saying get rid of PvP totally I dont think anyone is. But when youve been victimized by lame exploiting griefers for so long of course you combine PvP and PK in your mind and want to see it all eliminated. So PK players, will you start to play as decent pirates, will you play honorably and not go out of your way to find game exploits or design flaws? If you do this CCP wont have to waste so much time dealing with you and can spend time getting content for us. If you dont want to do this Id really like someone to explain what they get out of slaugthering a helpless enemy (often when the enemy is still logging into space)? That isnt PvP at all. Ooo...look! Fertilizer. If the surgical strike bug occupied so much of the developers time that it delayed content, then CCP needs to close the doors now. Tank killing people in Yulai? The "resolution" wasn't some megacomplicated code fix. CCP just turned the guns on Concord to Tech Level 3. The original solution to m0o? Sentry guns at most empire gates. These aren't things that required massive amounts of coding. So stop with the bull***, eh? I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante

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