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Berendas
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Posted - 2014.03.26 00:35:00 -
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I can't believe this thread has surpassed 70 pages. Sohkar was a fool and payed for it, as is EVE's way. The humiliation, or "bullying" as some of you insist on calling it, only came about as a consequence of his own willful actions. Sohkar is the only person at fault, for being unfamiliar with the rules of EVE. Erotica 1 did nothing more than separate the chaff from the wheat.
The number of people who have this nanny-minded view of EVE is simply staggering. Why should a player get banned because his/her actions reached an arbitrary designated frustration threshold in another player? Should every player that gets on my lossmail be banned if I can muster up a certain degree of anger about it?
"A scam is what happens when someone takes advantage of your misplaced trust, temporary confusion or ignorance of game rules, and robs you via legal in-game means. When this occurs, there is nothing the Support Team can do for you. Although low and despicable, scams do not violate any game mechanics and can not be compensated for by the GMs, nor can the scammers generally be punished for their actions."
This excerpt from the official EVE knowledge base should be the beginning and end of the entire discussion. |

Berendas
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Posted - 2014.03.26 02:48:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:I'm waiting to see if this goes viral. As I have said before, I always pause before telling people who know about games that I play Eve, because the response is already not very enthusiastic.
If this incident goes viral, then I will be ashamed of playing this game and will have to consider my associations in the long term.
You either hold your fellow gamers and their ability to judge character in very low esteem, or are a colossal drama queen. EVE is a powerful force in the MMO market and gaming news BECAUSE of events like Erotica 1's scams, not in spite of them. |

Berendas
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Posted - 2014.03.26 02:59:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:"C. User Content
The System may allow you to communicate information, such as by posting messages in chat rooms, on bulletin boards and other user-to-user areas (collectively, "User Content").
User Content that you cause to be communicated to the System may not (i) violate any statute, rule, regulation or law; (ii) infringe or violate the intellectual property, proprietary, privacy or publicity rights of any third party"
Erotica1 is communicating, ingame, through means of chat functions and bulletin boards that he provides a service OUTSIDE of the game, namely the "Bonus Room".
What that "Bonus Room" has turned out to be, as evidenced by the recording, is a 2hr psychological torture, coerced by the players seized assets and leveraged against the false promise of its return if the person completes the humiliating, degrading and arbitrary demands issued to him by the persons located in this out of game environment, while simultaneously harassing, ridiculing and insulting him.
The conduct the victims are subjected to in this OUT OF GAME environment....
Seized Assets? Torture? Oh please. The assets were given willingly and Sohkar was taken for a ride like the fool we was. VoIP is hardly an out of game environment, seeing as how EVE has its own voice communication features. Are you saying that if the interaction took place over EVE Voice then it would be okay? |

Berendas
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Posted - 2014.03.26 16:27:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:There's no consent with coercion. Obviously after having his stuff taken and fearing if he didn't do what they said and agreed to what they asked they would not return it there was coercion. No consent at all.
Really irrelevant though unless he sues them. I've seen this stupid line repeated ad infinitum throughout this thread. Sohkar's assets were not taken. They were not seized, filched, embezzled, robbed, or purloined - He willingly gave them up. Once he turns the assets over to E1, they cease to belong to Sohkar. They become Erotica 1's assets. There is no coercion involved, because it is no longer Sohkar's stuff, it is simply a matter of what Erotica 1 chooses to do with what is now his.
Infinity Ziona wrote: No consent at all. Sohkar absolutely consented. There is no way for one player to forcibly withdraw from the personal wallet of someone else or set up contracts on their behalf. Are you sure you know what 'consent' means?
Taken from Merriam-Webster Online -
Consent: to agree to do or allow something : to give permission for something to happen or be done
How is that not exactly what happened?
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Berendas
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Posted - 2014.03.26 16:58:00 -
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Moloney wrote:There are several gaming sites more or less calling the eve player base complete scum. They have already, long before now.
Moloney wrote:Change is needed. No it isn't. |

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Posted - 2014.03.26 17:07:00 -
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"Your rights end where my feelings begin."
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Posted - 2014.03.26 17:14:00 -
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Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Can't sleep myself. I'm supposed to be napping before a 24 hour shift, but the benadryl is doing nothing.
This thread is AMAZING though, viewed through a haze of opiates.
What is your line of work that you have a shift that lasts 24 hours? The only thing that comes readily to my mind are pilots that fly transcontinental routes, and even then they alternate. |

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Posted - 2014.03.26 17:32:00 -
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:I didint imply. I did tip the FBI, and several other agencies.
You might be in for some trouble then friend-o.
18 U.S. Code, Section 1001
(a) Except as otherwise provided in this section, whoever, in any matter within the jurisdiction of the executive, legislative, or judicial branch of the Government of the United States, knowingly and willfullyGÇö
(1) falsifies, conceals, or covers up by any trick, scheme, or device a material fact; (2) makes any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or representation (3) makes or uses any false writing or document knowing the same to contain any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or entry;
shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 5 years or, if the offense involves international or domestic terrorism (as defined in section 2331), imprisoned not more than 8 years, or both. If the matter relates to an offense under chapter 109A, 109B, 110, or 117, or section 1591, then the term of imprisonment imposed under this section shall be not more than 8 years.
Having observed the language you have used to spout nonsense throughout this thread, you may well come away with some legal trouble of your own. |

Berendas
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Posted - 2014.03.26 18:07:00 -
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Ais Hellia wrote:Many comments about bad press here but wasn't it Ripard Teg who brought this matter up and made a big deal out of it? how's he not responsible for a hypothetical bad press that may come out off this? should he be banned alongside Erotica if the only reason to ban erotica is to avoid bad press?  Not alongside, instead of.
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Berendas
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Posted - 2014.03.27 03:55:00 -
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Mike Azariah wrote:Mario Putzo wrote:Ban Ripard Teg his harassment of Erotica and Sohkar can not be denied! Remove him from the the CSM he is unfit to represent this community. Well we can have him removed from the CSM but due process and paperwork is gonna take about 6 weeks. I'll get right on it. m Best of luck and swiftness in accomplishing this. The community will be much better for it. |

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Posted - 2014.03.27 04:08:00 -
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Liese Shardani wrote:Mario Putzo wrote:Mike Azariah wrote:Mario Putzo wrote:Ban Ripard Teg his harassment of Erotica and Sohkar can not be denied! Remove him from the the CSM he is unfit to represent this community. Well we can have him removed from the CSM but due process and paperwork is gonna take about 6 weeks. I'll get right on it. m Good thank you Mike! I appreciate the support in keeping the CSM a respectful embodiment of the EVE community. Umm, the results of CSM9 will be announced May 3rd, which is less than 6 weeks away. I don't think it was a serious suggestion. That makes sense. A well constructed joke on Mike Azariah's part then. That's what I get for not being up on the CSM's goings on. |

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Posted - 2014.03.27 04:22:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Mario Putzo wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Not often we're on the same page, but no kidding. These guys are hilariously uninformed about what's going on in the game they apparently never actually play. Mr Epeen  Two people who don't know the definition of facetious  Actually, I suspected you were just having some fun. But the other two... Mr Epeen  I know what facetious means, but having just come back to EVE from a 5 month break, I wasn't aware of the upcoming CSM change  |

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Posted - 2014.03.27 15:35:00 -
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Anslo wrote:So imma put aside the rage and ask an opinion of both sides;
Almost 300 pages and nary a peep from ccp. No matter what side you're on...ain't that weird? While I doubt the silence will last much longer, I interpret the lack of CCP response as tacit support for E1's position. Scamming and deceit have always been a part of EVE. It's just that this particular instance was chosen to be sensationalized by a delusional few. |

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Posted - 2014.03.27 20:33:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:H aVo K wrote:It is important that you understand that taking part in an unwinnable game doesn't mean you're being tortured Then what is the point of the unwinnable game? There doesn't need to be a point. EVE is a game where a player is free to do as he/she chooses. If that means setting up a fraudulent 'game show' for their own gain then that is entirely legitimate. No reason needs to be offered, nobody owes it to you or anyone else. |

Berendas
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Posted - 2014.03.27 20:40:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:And another business day passes in CCP Iceland with no acknowledgement whatsoever, other that falcon shutting down duplicate threads. Eterne spends his day tweeting about how awesome Fanfest is and commenting on how cute some animae shot also tweeted.
But zero about this scandal, in any way. I know it will take likely take weeks to make some decision on this, but it is terrible business practice from a PR perspective not to acknowledge there is a crisis. The thing is, this should not be a crisis, it shouldn't even register on CCP's radar. People getting scammed, and even being invited to voice comms is a regular occurrence. The only reason this is even a thing is because an influential player took it upon himself to sensationalize and exaggerate this whole matter for his own benefit. What CCP should do is lock this thread and say no more on this issue, because in reality this is just business as usual for EVE. |

Berendas
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Posted - 2014.03.27 20:45:00 -
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Louis Robichaud wrote:Berendas wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:And another business day passes in CCP Iceland with no acknowledgement whatsoever, other that falcon shutting down duplicate threads. Eterne spends his day tweeting about how awesome Fanfest is and commenting on how cute some animae shot also tweeted.
But zero about this scandal, in any way. I know it will take likely take weeks to make some decision on this, but it is terrible business practice from a PR perspective not to acknowledge there is a crisis. The thing is, this should not be a crisis, it shouldn't even register on CCP's radar. People getting scammed, and even being invited to voice comms is a regular occurrence. The only reason this is even a thing is because an influential player took it upon himself to sensationalize and exaggerate this whole matter for his own benefit. What CCP should do is lock this thread and say no more on this issue, because in reality this is just business as usual for EVE. What is Jester gaining here exactly? Are you saying that the bonus room in normal Eve game play? An increase in traffic for his tabloid of a blog. |

Berendas
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Posted - 2014.03.27 20:59:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Really? Is that what they should do? Just lock it? Because you said so? Or should they do what they are doing. Using it for feedback and a time killer while they formulate a response to an issue that would have come to a head sooner or later with or without Ripard as the catalyst. They're giving us the respect of allowing us to post our feelings on this matter unmoderated. How often does that happen? If I were you I'd just back out of the thread now since you are so offended by this rare concession from CCP. Mr Epeen  You seem to be confusing a suggestion for an order. Besides, any posts that would constitute meaningful or useful feedback have long since been lost in this 300+ page leviathan of egregious metaphors and mudslinging. I'm not a particularly active poster in the thread, but as an EVE player I have a interest in what might occur as a result of all this nonsense. I'll continue to keep checking up on it as long as it remains active even if I'm against the thread staying open.
Slightly related: Several pages back someone posted a link to a 'stat' page for this thread. Would anyone kindly supply a link to that page or inform me on how to view/recreate it myself? |

Berendas
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Posted - 2014.03.27 21:54:00 -
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M1k3y Koontz wrote:Desivo Delta Visseroff wrote:Malcanis wrote:Just to inject some factual information:
1) CCP have taken notice of the the issue. 2) So have the CSM. 3) I personally I am very content with the direction the resultant discussion took. All my concerns were dealt with, and the CSM has a unified position.
Great! Time to lock this thread. Agreed, its disintigrating into a typical General Discussion thread. Apparently this sentiment is looked down upon. A lot of posters in here seem to enjoy the bombardment of deceased equines...
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