Well, you lied to her.

What happened to him is the following by analogy:

Your daughter comes out of a store with a lollipop inhand, happy as can be.

A grown man comes up to your daughter and promises her that if she gives him her lollipop, he will give her two back in return.

Your daughter thinks about this for a moment, and decides that two lollipops are indeed better than one.
She complies and gives him her lollipop.

The grown man, now holding her lollipop, then additionally informs her that in order for her to get the double lollipop deal, she has to get off the street she is on, and follow him down this dark alley.

Your daughter thinks that "but he is still holding my lollipop! and maybe its true that I will still get the second one".

So she complies and follows him down the dark alleyway.

There suddenly more grown men appear, and begin demanding that she performs various degrading and humiliating activities in order to get back her lollipop. They also record the entire 2hr activity for their own and their "friends" enjoyment.

I leave the rest to your imagination.

That is what happened here.

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Don't blame me, blame the public school system. But I did ask you to clarify and you refused. Doesn't seem very nice. I thought you were nice? I guess I was wrong 2 times today.

so why aren't you laughing at the racist who was robbed of 1bn isk of assets? clearly you should be, apparently that's what makes you happy.

you're the biggest hypocrite in this thread, and people like you are undermining any shred of credible argument being put forward by the witch-hunters.

RAAAAAAAAAAAWRRRR two hours of systematic psychological and emotional abuse

Fine.

Ill stop pretending, when you stop pretending that the entire activity isnt designed as a victim selection process.

Only someone who was already stupid enough to fall for the ingame legit scam, can be coerced out of the game into the Bonus Room torture situation, on the false premise that younwill, in that out of game context , return their ingame assets if they perform the demeaning and humiliating demans you place upon them.

You then carefully keep a stoic pokerface while furiously fapping to the suffering you elicit and urging them on till eventually they crack and begin with the profanities, at which point your sadistic needs are fulfilled and you can finally orgasm whereas ou normaloy cant even get an erection.

Then you use the profanities you elicited from duress of 2hrs of psychological torture, as an excuse to call THEM the monster.

Howsnthat for pretending.

Have you been in the out of game "Bonus Room"?

You're gonna need to provide a recording.

Moi Kirsi.

Its insane to spend 2hrs tormenting someone and their wife for no profit whatsoever.

Listen again to the recording, every time Erotica1 bullies, threatens, shouts or does anything remotely bad drink a glass of water.
Every time the supposed victim shouts, swears, threatens someone or is just a terrible person, have a j+ñgerbomb.

You'll be pissed, I guarantee it.

Haven't read the whole thread
but have anyone already mentioned that Salvos Rhoska is definitely Mr Sohkar from the record
so his pretending to be on a moral high ground here after making real life death threats and racist remarks on the record is kind of questionable

Dude, people have DIED playing wow. Does it therefore follow that WoW should be banned from the civilized world?

You cannot calibrate a social structure based on the response of the mentally unstable outliers. If you did, all of society would live in a padded cell.

Friendly reminder to all you trolls that asking to sings songs/read text DOES NOT EVER EQUAL any of the following;

- ****
- Torture
- psychopathy
- Duress (albeit it does equal durr hurr durr)
- the holocaust
- ******
- waterboarding
- taking advantage of disabled people
- etc...

On the other hand, DEATH THREATS AND RACISM = NOT GUD.

Thanks for not reading.

D.

It is you who in fact must really get a life and inform yourself about what such techniques are consisted of.

This is not a joke. I'm not laughing.

Hi, my name is Joe.
I have a reputation for kicking small children in the face.
A week ago this boy of age 7 stood in front of me in the grocery store line so I kicked him in the face.
Kid should have known better than to stand in front of me, after all I do have a reputation.
To punish his stupidity I kicked him in the face and stomach several more times.

I never said they were the same thing.
I'm making an analogy to harm here.

So tormenting someone for hours on the promise of giving them their stuff back is acceptable to you?

That's pretty obviously false.

"Sleep deprivation. Check.
Creating a state of learned helplessness. Check.
Subjecting the victim to interrogation for long periods. Check.
Isolating or surrounding the victim psychologically. Check.
Inflicting pressure through greed or blackmail. Check.
Exploitation of phobias, such as -- say -- making a man with an admitted speech impediment perform long periods of public speaking. Check."

The only purpose of the bonus room is to humiliate the victim for as long as possible. The assets are already taken so there's no other point to it.

EVE terms of service...
1. You may not abuse, harass or threaten another player..

Sure seems like abuse to me.

Thanks for reminding me how glad I am to be out of your shithole of an alliance.

It's pretty cute, this.
How Ero 1's supporters keep vacillating about whether this was in-game or not in-game.
He was in-game when it suits his claim of no wrongdoing, and not in-game when it doesn't.

So teamspeak is a magical fairy tale land where you can get away with saying literally anything.
That's wonderful news.

What's wrong with death threats? It happened on TS3 man, you can say anything.

Almost 200 pages of people arguing whether psychologically tormenting someone is right or wrong???

What a joke society has become

I'm also especially curious about this because it seems to me the people defending Erotica 1 are many of the same people who more or less wanted The Mittani burned at the stake two years ago.

the behaviour and predatory nature of Erotica1!!

it made me physically sad

Wrong, Sir.

Erotica1 played on Sokhar's greed, and got him to make a idiot of himself. That does not justify his reaction in any way.

Since this thread is full of BS analogy, let me throw one out there for you people.

There's something adults who are able to form complete sentences like to think about sometimes, and it's called "escalation of force." For example - in many places of the world, if you are attacked in a bar fight by a drunk gentlemen throwing right hooks, and you respond by pulling a Glock and shooting said gentleman in the face, you very well may be going to prison for murder.

Erotica1 making Sokhar look like a fool by playing on his greed - I could see that justifying a "f-you, buddy!" or a simple disconnect from TS3, a block, and moving on with life. I see it justifing adding Erotica1 to your watch list, gathering your friends, running location agents, and camping his station down 23.5/7. Attempting to justify actual RL death threats and some of the most awful racist ranting I have ever personally heard is beyond silly.

Again, Sokhar could have all the e-sympathy in the world if he would simply HTFU, and admit that the death threats and nbombs were uncalled for, that he regrets what he said, and that he is sorry we all heard him engage in that kind of behavior.

I've already offered him every single dime that Erotica1 scammed out of him, and I am sure others would match me.

You forgot that he never agreed to being provoked and humiliated.
He agreed to singing (et caetera).

There's a difference between agreeing to dig a well and then being told to dig ten.

I should know better than arguing with people like you; I can't show you that which IS NOT THERE.

Hours of humiliation is clearly abuse.

Abuse is clearly against the terms of service.

Violation of terms of service is legitimate grounds for banning.

Where is the confusion?

I didn't read anything but will just post the same weeping drivel some others have posted and call it original.

I'm curious. Why is everyone (well a good percentage, anyway) using a guys racial slurs and death threats made after the fact to negate everything that led up to it?

Strange way to justify what a freakin' sick douche does for jollies.

Mr Epeen

I just keep torturing you poor guys with my posts... Sickening. No different to real-life **** or pedophiles luring victims over the internet.

Erotica sends many female signals in a male processed voice. Every man, gay or straight is socialized to react to gender confusion. gays get excited I guess and straight men get angry. Victim didn't act any different that 96% of world male population does.

i like fun as much as anyone, but theres a line between sick and fun. this is nothing the victim can look back to and have a laugh about in a week or two..

Anyway you look at this, and how he got taunted and led into this social experiment leaves him as a victim of a brutally executed plan.

And its pretty common knowledge that people in panic do and say uncontrolled things..

E1's alt / sycophant is losing it.

NEWSFLASH - online predator threatens his victim a second time in effort to avoid banhammer.

"It's funny and he deserved it because he was stupid. Also because it was funny."
The way you take this personal pleasure in how the victim was treated makes you a creep to my eyes.

Let's do this the other way around.

Doesn't becoming an ATC require some sort of psych exam?

If yes, then Ero1's antics managed to have somebody whose psychological stability has been proven lose their wits.

And you still think it's okay for him to do that?

If the answer is yes, it makes me ashamed to share gene pools with the likes of you.

What exactly and specifically must the victim do in order to win the Bonus Round?

Is it so, that it is required that the victim must submit to commensurate abuse, humiliation, degradation, and the assignment of arbitrary demands, in order to win?

What exactly and specifically must the victim do in order to win the Bonus Round?

Is it so, that it is required that the victim must submit to commensurate abuse, humiliation, degradation, and the assignment of arbitrary demands, in order to win?

Being coerced to sing songs is humiliating and degrading as someone with a speech impediment being made to orate in various accents is as well

Massaging food items onto yourself falls under that as well

In other words: There are no rules and Ero decides on a whim whether someone is a "winner".

co-+er-+cion (k+ì-++rGǦzh+Ön, -sh+Ön)
n.
1. The act or practice of coercing.
2. Power or ability to coerce.

http://money.howstuffworks.com/ebay-ban.htm

http://scholarship.law.duke.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1180&context=dltr

I think you missed the bit where Ero1 screwed with the guy's head for like an hour and a half, made fun of his speech impediment, and in general acted like a massive a**hole - you know, the bit that people are actually talking about.

But hey, you've already picked your side, so keep right on posting! The threadnaught needs more repetition!

Faith is a subjective immaterial quantity.

There is no way to "show" faith. You cannot pull faith out of your pocket and show it to people.

Therefore this cannot have been the condition fulfilled, and shown, by the winners, in order to win the Bonus Room, because it is impossible to do so.

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I repeat:

What exactly and specifically must the victim do in order to win the Bonus Round?

Is it so, that it is required that the victim must submit to commensurate abuse, humiliation, degradation, and the assignment of arbitrary demands, in order to win?

One other question, if E1 is such a great guy and has done no wrong, what the hell did he do to get kick out of the goons TWICE?

Lets all be honest here, when it comes to great well thought out scams and emergent gameplay, the Goons are on the top of the pile by a long distance.

I love the way the goons have made scamming, emergent and meta gaming into a an art form and Eve is better off for it, but why does a group of people who pride themselves on these things and the whole HTFU culture (which again I love) kick out E1 twice?

What did E1 do that was so out of line that they kicked him twice?

After according to some in this thread E1 is a hero of Eve and should be applauded for his efforts yet a group of people who have helped put Eve on the map with this style of gameplay have found reasons to kick him twice.

Did I ever mention torture?

Oh, right, I never did, because this is not torture.

I DID, however, refer to it, several times, as harassment outside the scope of gameplay, which the bonus room obviously is. And if it were conducted within a CCP-run VOIP or chat channel, it would be a cut-and-dry violation of the EULA ("Specifically Prohibited Behavior" section 5, if you want to look it up).

Go post elsewhere, you're making GD worse, which is honestly must take some serious effort.

What exactly and specifically must the victim do in order to win the Bonus Round?

Is it so, that it is required that the victim must submit to commensurate abuse, humiliation, degradation, and the assignment of arbitrary demands, in order to win?

I Can't read. I can't think for myself, heck, I could just as well be sokhar

Whatever happened to the good ole' "I hold my breath till you stop" ??

If there is no win condition, then all the Bonus Room constitutes, is an arena for abuse of the victim.

Do you, are there accually any legal evidence that the victim is in fact 27? or might he just as well be a minor lying?

Here's a simple scenario that I've seen happen. Your corp CEO goes AFK for a bit of time, nobody knows where he is, but the corp wallet keeps growing due to ratting taxes and the like. Some of the things that are usually done with this money -- POS fuel, ore buyback, SRP, whatever -- grind to a halt. People start bitching about it on TS, but nobody can really be bothered to form a new corp.

Then one day the CEO logs in, empties the corp wallet, kicks everyone, and closes the corp. People feel a bit cheated, but they haven't lost much other than was stored in POS arrays and the like. But then somebody starts to think about all that money sitting in the wallet.

So a couple guys get together on another TS server and make a recording. One pretends to be the former CEO, and demands that the other player read from websites and sing songs in order to "get the corp wallet back". They go on for an hour or two, and then the other person pretends to lose it, threatens suicide, uses foul language, gets his wife to plead with the "CEO" for the money.

None of it is real, but they submit the recording to CCP anyway and ask that the former CEO be banned and that ISK be returned to them.

CCP has no ability to tell which recordings are real and which ones are fake. They can't tell one player's voice from any other's. If all it takes is one purported recording of "unacceptable torture" to get someone banned, revenge recordings will be a dime a dozen before the end of April, all with the aim of getting someone banned.

So pls tell me how he can profit after he was given all isk? Or are you admitting it was all about out of game humiliation. Which is different then ingame blowing up ships. I don't think you'll understand until your shown out of game humiliation. Narcissist never understand until it happens to them and then its totally unfair.

You dont know what is going on in that persons life to make him vulnerable but someday it will happen to you or someone you love. Either way it doesnt change that it is sick to take advantage of the weaker among us and to delight in torturing the weaker of us. Just makes me nauseous.

A few weeks ago, I got doxed by players in this game. They sent a mail to my personal email, mentioned two of my family members by name, and passively threatened me to leave them alone with a smiley face at the end of it.

I petitioned it, but was told that external evidence cannot be used and is even harder to link to in-game entities. I was told not to discuss it with anyone, and I shouldn't, but now it's important that I talk about it.

If I'd forwarded that email to a game site, or Jester, or someone, on the substantiated belief that the person who doxed me was a dangerous individual and a threat to the community, would that random unknown player, someone not known in the community at all, be under the same scrutiny that Ero is now? No.

The whole lot of you high sec dwellers would all be telling me, 'haha, serves you right, you shouldn't mess with people who don't want to pvp." I've shared the information and in-game identity of the player in question with people I trust, so that they know to watch their backs. I've been forced to close Facebook, email and YouTube accounts and various other accounts around the internet that I'm associated with. But if I'd shared the evidence with Riptard, what would he make of it? Do you think he'd post it in one of his articles about how EVE is dying because of the meanie scammers and gankers? If you're saying yes, then you're wrong: the player in question is an afk miner with five accounts and hubris up to his earballs. Riptard wouldn't do anything to endanger his own people now, would he.

I'll tell you something that no one in the New Order, Goons, or any of these groups that you all so hate with so much passion would never do. They'd never dox you. They'd never threaten your real life entity, and they'd never use your family as leverage.

Want to hear the scariest part? This person actually contacted my mother on Facebook to tell her she was an awful person for raising such an arse of a son. You know what she did?

She called me, apologised for being a horrible mother and cried for three hours before I calmed her down and reminded her that I'm an adult and it's just a game they're talking about. By the end of the conversation, she actually understood what EVE is about, she understood the nature of the game. She's 55 years old and gets this game better than half you 15-20 somethings curled up in your little safety bubbles in highsec do.

Do you know what I did to the last person who made my mother cry? I drove a two-tonne truck straight at him, slammed on the breaks when I realised what I was doing and stopped it with him pinned between a bullbar and a garage door. He was unharmed, thank ****, because I would have been entirely responsible for any injury he sustained. And I would have ACCEPTED that responsibility for my EMOTIONAL reaction.

My point is, the vile person who doxed me and did that to my mother, he's still playing this game. He's out there right now, thinking that what he did has no consequences. He's gonna do it again. Does anyone care? Probably not, no, not until it happens to you anyway.

You think Ero did something wrong here? I submit to you that the most evil people in the game are the carebears who would like nothing more than to foist him on a stake. You need to learn to get some perspective, reconnect to ******* reality and stop being so goddamn entitled.

What about insulting the victim's speech impediment?

You would thing that with so many 'winners' in the bonus round, Erotica will post the recordings as well.
After all, its only his interest for people to see he is 'legit'.

links anyone?

Did.

I would like to point out that it does not matter whether E1 broke the EULA or not.

The point being made by people in this thread is that we do not want to be associated with such a morally wrong and disgraceful example of a human being.

We would like to play Eve.

We would like to think that when such a disgraceful representative of our game boasts publicly about being the scum of the planet, that appropriate repercussions are handed out to state "this is not right, this will not be accepted by anyone and under no circumstances should anyone believe it a good idea to replicate this persons actions "

Exactly so. But the kids who got bullied at school (and now as grown game player think 'there outta be a law') don't see any of this.

No, they just see a 'creepy/sadistic' dude who reminds them of their pasts and desire vicarious revenge. Striking a blow against E1 is striking a blow against bullies everywhere, especially their own bullies that they were to afraid to confront when they were in 4th grade lol.

I'm not thick it's just you have no idea what are you talking about because E1 actions all base from within this game and it is his platform to lure targets out to avoid banhammer.

Strawman. This is about his conduct, not him personally.

Hey hey hey, I have a carrot for you BUT you have to follow me to a place where CCP can't ban me because I know I will **** you up good else why would I leave logged comms?

Now I will hear TS Bette yadda yadda yadda.

This is how people get scammed because even this simple TS excuse sounds so good that you put no doubt about its actual meaning.

So go repost like a turd. It's all you can do bot. Click, post, copy,, paste click post (so opinionated and clever!)

I am not Sohkar.
CCP can confirm this and I can prove it at any request to do so over voice.

Nor have I claiimed anywhere to be either an air traffic controller or a lawyer.

Keep trying.

I am not.

But thanks for confirming by exclusion that is infact what Erotica1 is doing.

That is a lie and libel.

I have at no point here claimed to be a lawyer, nor edited any claim to that effect.
CCP can confirm this.

So you are going to spam the thread?

Mature.

You like to tell grown men how to act, while at the same time showing of you post if a manner similar to a small child running around proudly showing of some doodle it just made.

Says the guy with the friend throwing out N.a.z.i analogies....
You just went full ******.

E1 causes and wants those situations. He isn't a victim.

Losing space pixels to a scam and singing a song makes you a racist bigot. Call the NAACP!

That is not Ripard's fault, he did not call for people to be violent towards Ero. The people in this thread are responsible for their own comments.

Wow, emotional abuse is just as real and hurtful as physical abuse. You are delusional.

It went way past hurt feelings of lost pixels. It went well into emotional distress and abuse caused by E1.

Really ppl are supporting this ? All the in game scamming, pvp and what ever is fine, using Eve to pull someone out of the game so you can bully them isn't.

Even id they avoided the EULA and such this reflectts poorly on the Eve community and saying he did nothing wrong in game so it's fine is laughable. They used Eve to put him in the situation.

Send this to all the gaming sites BBC etc and see what the general response is.

Its not about Eve its about being a decent human being.

Tal

"Since 1973Amnesty International-áhas adopted the simplest, broadest definition of torture:

"Torture is the systematic and deliberate infliction of acute pain by one person on another, or on a third person, in order to accomplish the purpose of the former against the will of the latter."

Erotica1 inflicts systematic and deliberate acute psychological pain, through means of several hours of subjecting the victim to demeaning and humiliating tasks alongside harassment and insulting from himself and his peers, in order to accomplish their purpose of causing the victim to leave the situation, against the will of the victim to fulfill the Bonus Rooms demands for the reward promised in the contract of the Bonus Room between the victim and the perpetrators.

It is not necessary to be restrained or prevented from being able to remove oneself from the situation, for it to constitue torture, and in this incidence, it is exactly that which the perpetrators are leveraging against the victim.

An analogy would be a wife remaining in an abusive relationship with a husband who inflicts upon her systematic and deliberate acute psychological pain, because she knows that if she files for divorce, all the assets, including the house, would remain in the property of her husband, as they are in his name. What the husband is doing to her, though superficially enabled by her remaining, nonetheless constitutes torture, as he is accomplishing the purposes of his will, namely of her remaining there for him to torture, against the will of the latter to leave the situation, as he knows full well she can and will not because then she is homeless and destitute.

That Erotica1 causes the victims acute psychological pain, is evidenced by the psychological state the conduct they are subjected to in the Bonus Room results in. The victims are obviously suffering from it. Of that there is no question.

Reported for spam.

No.

You are trying to make it appear as if Erotica 1 does not do all that mental torture and abuse over Teamspeak for his sick and disgusting pleasure.

Just because a victim shows vulnerability does not make Erotica 1's sadistic ploy and his disgusting mental torture justified.

Being vulnerable is not an offense to anybody. Taking advantage of the vulnerable for your own sadistic pleasure is.

This is why Erotica 1 needs to be cast away from this community until a time that he can establish himself to be reformed and rehabilitated by a certified health care professional.

Asking someone to post naked pictures of their significant other with the false promise that they will get their assets back and having them write your name on their bodies with mayonnaise is far from asking someone to sing a song.

You are trying to whitewash Erotica 1's sadistic ploys and psychopathic mental torture on victims he derives from EVE Online.

Needless to say, you are failing at that. It wouldn't surprise me if you are an Erotica 1 associate or an alt of Erotica 1 himself.

PS. If you are an Erotica 1 alt, it wouldn't surprise me at all if you were abused as a children. Many victims of abuse who go rehabilitated turn to abusing others later in their lives.

So imma put aside the rage and ask an opinion of both sides;

Almost 300 pages and nary a peep from ccp. No matter what side you're on...ain't that weird?

The discussion is not and never was about Sokhar. We are not discussing the victim.
Yet you continue to mention Sokhar, and casually continue to drop bits of what you hint is real life information into your posts.
If you'd like to reach the Erotica 1 standards of psychopathy, please do go ahead and continue acting like this.

To those posting that what happens in the Bonus Room does not constitute torture:

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"Since 1973Amnesty International has adopted the simplest, broadest definition of torture:

"Torture is the systematic and deliberate infliction of acute pain by one person on another, or on a third person, in order to accomplish the purpose of the former against the will of the latter."

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Erotica1 inflicts systematic and deliberate acute psychological pain, through means of several hours of subjecting the victim to demeaning and humiliating tasks alongside harassment and insulting from himself and his peers, in order to accomplish their purpose of causing the victim to leave the situation, against the will of the victim to fulfill the Bonus Rooms demands for the reward promised in the contract of the Bonus Room between the victim and the perpetrators.

It is not necessary to be restrained or prevented from being able to remove oneself from the situation, for it to constitue torture, and in this incidence, it is exactly that which the perpetrators are leveraging against the victim.

It is also not necessary for the victim to have entered involuntarily into the situation in which the torture occurs.
It is immaterial how the victim ends up in the situation in which he is tortured, all that is material, is whether what the victim is subjected to in that situation, constitutes torture as defined above.

An analogy would be a wife remaining in an abusive relationship with a husband who inflicts upon her systematic and deliberate acute psychological pain, because she knows that if she files for divorce, all the assets, including the house, would remain in the property of her husband, as they are in his name. What the husband is doing to her, though superficially enabled by her remaining, nonetheless constitutes torture, as he is accomplishing the purposes of his will, namely of her remaining there for him to torture, against the will of the latter to leave the situation, as he knows full well she can and will not because then she is homeless and destitute.

In Erotica1s Bonus Room torture itself is the MEANS whereby they accomplish their goal of, sooner or later, forcing the victim to leave the situation, at which point Erotica1 wins the Bonus Room. This is achieved by inflicting on the victim systemaric and deliberate acute psychological pain.

That Erotica1 causes the victims acute psychological pain, is evidenced by the psychological state the conduct they are subjected to in the Bonus Room results in. The victims are obviously suffering from it. Of that there is no question.

A Dev has been made to sing for his ship. But he did not suffer acute psychological pain in the process.
It is evident from the recording, however that Sohkar and his wife, did.

Another CSM member aside from Ripard Teg has acknowledged the authenticity of the further proof showing that Erotica 1's psychopathy is more extensive than it was revealed in the original blog post of Ripard Teg, yes.

As a member of a CFC alliance, you have access to GSF forums yourself. And yet you are claiming, rather maliciously, in an attempt to whitewash a psychopathic individual that there is no further proof that he has committed even more sadistic acts on victims he derived from EVE Online.

Erotica 1's posts, joyfully confessing to his psychopathic deeds and providing photographic/audio recordings are there to see.

My question is, are you going to continue to lie about this? Or are you going to feel shame at some point and perhaps even apologize for lying?

You are not proving me wrong. You are rather claiming to prove me wrong in a failed attempt to portray Erotica 1 as a harmless, average and even well wishing EVE player. You are trying to whitewash him. You attack everything to the best of your abilities that consistently reveal that Erotica 1 is a mentally disturbed individual who picks up victims from EVE Online, and abuses, tortures and bullies them over real life means of communication.

You are lying to this community. You are attacking people that are rightfully concerned about the well being and the perception of this community, because your sole motive is trying to portray a psychopath as an 'average, fun guy'.

Go forth and face the shame that you have attained for yourself so far. Meanwhile feel free to explain to the good people of EVE Online how you can claim that I, of all the people, threatened your life.

No amount of lies is going to be enough for whitewashing this guy.

Links to Erotica 1's posts were provided on this thread before and they were authenticated by another CSM member, mynnna.

Are you going to continue lying or are you able to feel shame to a degree that can stop you from lying?

Lol you are talking to a alliance member that kicked E1 beacase of **** like that.
How more stupid can you get blunt razor?

And you know WHY I believe him? Beacuse it's one of extremely few cases where even a goon tries to stay away from it and definitely does not want to be associated with.
That alone is a ******* miracle and solid proof how far E1 is pushing people.

And that's your problem and narrow mindset.
Want to know the FACTS? Keep digging instead of satisfying yourself with the first page of words and ignore everything else.

Bravo. Tabloids must be your daily routine for world news and politics.

Quick! I don't have anything factuous to say, let's shoot a messenger!

If I ask my daughter to sing and I give her a donut, but in the end I dont give here anything.

Is this mental abuse? Should I go to jail because of it?


Tell me about my wrong doings please.

Interesting 3 accounts stopped replying at the same time.



Sorry I'm slow. Just trying to find more news sources I can submit this story to.
Let's see what happens and how outside world sees it. I'm genuinely interested as I'm playing this game long enough and might have my vision skewed.

Nope, I have really bad hearing in real life, are you saying that Jester made that part up?

It's obviously not the same thing is it.

To summarize the situation:

1) Most players are willing to accept that the following continues in EVE Online:

Pilots are able to advertise to double, triple, or quadruple any ISK you give them. We all know it's a scam but if you time it right you MIGHT come out on the right side. But most people will ignore and /or 'block'.

Pilots who give ISK to these 'scammers' but don't receive any ISK back may get angry and send EVE mails or do in-game text making comments commonly known as tears or 'QQ'.

'Scammers' may choose to quote some of the victims comments or 'QQ' in their pilot's Bio sections, Corp description sections, or even onto the forum if that doesn't break any forum rules.

I think most of us are alright with it up to that point and accept that New Eden is cruel, or crueller, than RL.

2) I think most players are not so willing to accept:

Erotica 1's 'bonus room' gimic. I had seen Erotica 1 flying about or in the forum before but hadn't scrolled down to the bottom of Erotica 1's bio so I didn't know it existed. Also I doubt if there have been 100 'donators' to enable the 'bonus' room' to be available.

Opening voice convo either EVE Voice or other voice software to prolong the victims loss. A lot of us have probably fallen victim to scams of numerous types or maybe messed up on a trading or contract interface and given away ISK or stuff we didn't intend to. **** happens as they say. BUT I think most of us are in agreement that once you have scammed someone you should not seek to anger them further on that event by talking to them.

Taking the mickey or verbally harassing someone over their disability. This is the point where Erotica 1 should have realised he had gone too far and ended the convo. When the victims wife took over and stated asking what was going on this really should have been a hammer to his head. Any right thinking person just doesn't do this. The convo had gone way beyond the pale.

A lot of replies are focusing on the angry outburst from the victim once he had reached the end of his tether and sounded near to an emotional breakdown. I would argue that most of us would have exploded like that if they had been in that convo for hours like he was. So to focus on the wording of his barrage of uncontrollable anger is beside the point and is not the issue. The sole issue is that Erotica 1 took things too far and should have engaged his brain.

You lie and say, Erotica 1 did not gather NSFW pictures of his victims from bonus rooms and disseminated them on forums.

You lie and say, Erotica 1 did not have bonus room victims write whatever he wanted on their bodies with mayo, get pictures taken and disseminate them.

Yet these are very well established in both the words of Erotica 1 himself, and in the pictures he disseminated.

If you have reviewed all the evidence, then how come you were ignoring another CSM member, mynnna'a posts in this thread in which he authenticated Erotica 1's further psychopathic acts?

Answer is very simple. You are trying to whitewash a psychopath. You are lying to this great community. You are trying to trick this community to throw whatever little support can be thrown at the back of a sadist and a psychopath.

Shame must be an alien concept to you.

You have won, ladies and gentlemen, you are getting your witch to burn at the stake.

Well done, Ripard, well done indeed.

Good fight.

Everyone should understand this. The victim was only there because his assets were on the line.

False.

See:

"No, its like we will torture you until you leave the Bonus Room, and we win."

Come. Give me all your assets and enter my game.

There I will abuse you for 100hrs if necessary with a unending demands that amuse my sadism, until you leave, and I win.

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So when is Jester being banned and kicked from the CSM?

stuff

Funny, I don't recall mentioning HIS breaking point. Derogatory terms might just as easily refer to what he said to one of the people in that room. Threats were made, were they not?

Both sides crossed lines, as far as I am concerned.

My point?

Let us stop the cyclic argument and propose changes to make it better. Let us work to FIX what is broken and keep climbing.

Stop with the lawyering, the definitions, work with me, work wqith each other and find what needs fixing and move the hell on to fix something else. Make your points about the issue, not debating club points off of identifying logical fallacies and naming them like it is some sort of bingo game.

Write to your CSM candidate if you want to make suggestions, run if you want to get even more involved. Some of you have done that already.

That make the point?

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Transfer all your ingame assets to me, and come join me in my Special Basement.

I'll tell you everything you want to know there.

I'm sorry, but I have to ask.

Are you actually even 18?

https://soundcloud.com/johny-snow/pl-comms-after-revenant-loss

There's also this guy, I think his name is "Graath" or something. He said some pretty mean things.

BAN PEOPLE

So what do we do about Graath https://soundcloud.com/johny-snow/pl-comms-after-revenant-loss ?

Gee. You are asking if Ripard should be to blame simply because he brought it up?

For fun, let's play this game for just one more spin.

A known arsonist lights a fire and burned down the city park. The fire burns itself out and the arsonist walks away, but not before posting a big sign in front of the park with pictures of himself lighting the fire, fanning the flames, and p**sing on the ashes.

A few days go by and a local walks by and notices the ruined park. He tells the local journalist, who also happens to be a city councilman, and a story is run. The town's residents show up to the police station and demand the arsonist be made to leave town.


Now, in your world, the police would instead arrest the councilman.

So, I have to be going for a while now.

But so we can keep the hate train rolling, I feel that I should inform you all that while I am gone I will be spending at least 90 minutes sitting on a bench in WalMart, laughing at fat people.

Yours,

Kaarous.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure Widot is a member corporation in the alliance called, you know, Goonswarm Federation. (GSF)

Yes.

But most agree this Bonus Room nonsense goes too far.

So what you are saying is that if a Leading Director in GSF wanted to kick you for example, he would not be allowed to and would have to have your CEO's permission first?

So your CEO could say, get lost, I am not kicking him and that GSF Director would have to live with the CEO decision?

So why didn't the CEO of Widot tell everybody to get lost and refuse to kick E1?

E1 has stated that he was never kicked, he left of his own accord, Mynnna is saying he was kicked.

So taking what you have said, A high Level Director has gone to the CEO of Widot, told to kick him and they must of agreed otherwise E1 would still be a member.

Or of course he could of just been told by his CEO that he was getting kicked and then rushed to claim he was leaving just before the boot hit him on the ass

So avoiding the answer, interesting.

Also, if what E1 is doing is okay and fine, then why leave?

What was the problem, nobody should of been upset with him because apparently what he is doing is fine

Do you know any CCP developer that felt compelled to send Erotica 1 pictures of a boyfriend/girlfriend? Or any CCP developer that felt compelled to write Erotica 1 on his/her body with mayonnaise?

This is very similar to claiming criminals are prosecuted in the courts of law because you know, victims or victim families have ~personal agendas~ against culprits.

Can you point out examples?

Am I the CEO of Widot? You are asking questions that I don't have answers to.
But here is an easy way to validate the claims. If Erotica 1 was asked to stay in Widot, then surely he can rejoin and stay in Widot, right?

Can Erotica 1 please rejoin Widot and stay there for a while?

Is somethingawful subforum FYAD the official forum of GSF or CFC? No.
Are there any EVE related posts there? No.
Do you really think you are deceiving anybody here?

Uh, has any director of Goonwaffe, Goonswarm Federation, or CFC posted here anything remotely resembling your theoretical situation?

But hey, I saw the posts of a certain EVE player called mynnna. This might be news to you, but mynnna is a director in Goonwaffe, Goonswarm Federation, and CFC. Maybe you have heard of him?

Oh wow, surely the victims who got into that TEAMSPEAK BONUS ROOM happened to waltz in there through sheer coincidence and not because they were told to do so through EVE Online.

Of course it is of no concern because you have no answer.

Very similar to a child who sticks there fingers in their ears and stamps their feet when they do not want to hear what mummy and daddy have to say.

You asked why he got kicked/he left and we told you. We will not be feeding you with any more info on this matter as it was an internal dispute and not relevant with this topic in any way.

Empty posting to help Ero achieve the record for #1 longest mega-tear-threadnaught in EVE Online history.