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Druthlen
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Posted - 2014.03.26 12:20:00 -
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I had no idea it was this bad. I always had respect for the New Order as they combat botters which I hate. However hurting people in real life. Well, I would really like to meet erotica one in real life. I want to know if he is a bad ass as he seems to think he is. Might be a cool guy you never could tell from this though. |

Druthlen
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Posted - 2014.03.26 12:37:00 -
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Erotica1 took this out of game. It is nolonger a game or playstyle. Its just a psychopath being a psychopath. Psychopaths hurt people. CCP wont ban him because they enjoy watching him hurt people. Its as simple as that. |

Druthlen
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Posted - 2014.03.26 13:33:00 -
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Well, I commonly forward information to several news agencies about real world events and since this crossed over to the real world I forwarded the information. Hopefully one of them will do a piece on cyberbullying and how responsible CCP is for all this. |

Druthlen
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Posted - 2014.03.26 13:45:00 -
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You seem to forget there is a hostage in all of this. The persons online assets. Which are forfeited if he doesn't play along. He believes at least for a time he can recover his stuff if he goes along with the humiliating hazing like activities. |

Druthlen
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Posted - 2014.03.26 21:02:00 -
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Xuixien wrote:Warmonger Murderalt wrote:Xuixien wrote:Warmonger Murderalt wrote:
That's the problem with this community though, it's so isolated that it seems to have lost touch with what's acceptable and what is not. It has stewed in its own toxic pool for so long that people seem to have accept such behavior as the norm.
Acceptable in what setting? I can suicide gank/pod you all day, but IRL if I destroyed property or hurt someone I'd be in jail pretty fast. So really your statement... is nonsense without some context behind it. The fact is: If it's not against the EULA/TOS or any laws... it's acceptable in EVE. Sorry if you don't find it personally acceptable - but that's your failure, not EVE or EVE's community. Let me make things simple on this point: You can suicide gank/pod me all day if you like as that is an in game mechanic, and in real life if you hurt someone you'd be in jail, because one is a supported in game mechanic that has benefits and consequences and the other is in real life exactly as you said. While there are many things to be argued about the behavior involved, as stated, when he took it out of the game and into real life an obvious line was crossed where now we find the community in this mess. And there are many things that are not allowed in EVE that are neither illegal in most countries nor specifically stated in the EULA/TOS as being forbidden but are covered by more general terms. But that's besides my point, which is that the behavior is being dragged into the public eye against the wishes of those who believe this is acceptable and that should it be dragged into the public eye it will hurt the image of EVE and CCP will be forced to react and everyone involved will end up much worse off than they would have had they responded correctly in the beginning. He didn't take it "to real life". It was on TeamSpeak. Is TeamSpeak "real life"? Is the Internet "real life"? He used an out of game communication tool, but everything was still within the context of EVE Online. Had it been on EVE Voice vs TeamSpeak your argument would be invalid. Your argument is based on something that's just incidental. This is why you're argument is weak and falls apart. If anything, Ripard Teg should be punished for creating so much bad publicity for CCP out of an event that goes on in the game... pretty much on a weekly basis that has never drawn so much inter-media attention.
How ignorant this person is. People have killed themselves over facebook. Others have even been executed. |

Druthlen
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Posted - 2014.03.26 22:06:00 -
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What makes me really sick is that these psychopaths are trying to convince themselves this was gameplay even though they had absolutely nothing to gain from continuing once they had his assets. After that it was all about the tears and was completely personal attack on a human being. They cant see that. They cant tell where the char ends and the human begins. I wonder if they would consider drama at an eve event emergent gameplay. After all its an eve event and therefore ingame following their logic. |

Druthlen
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Posted - 2014.03.26 22:21:00 -
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Ais Hellia wrote:Iudicium Vastus wrote: Leaving will be to turn your back on all that time and effort you've spent working for what you have.
Why would you work in a game in the first place? Instead of having fun which is itself a reward for time spent. In other words the outcome of your gaming activity is your satisfaction with the process or accomplishment not "space pixels" if you consider your time spent in EVE as "work" you are doing something wrong and it's not even a matter of different tastes or interests
Talk about hypocrisy. Who are you to judge why or how someone plays inside the game. Outside the game we are now talking about morality. Some people cant recognize when they are outside the game. Ganking inside the game imo is really cool and I loved the New Order for it. I thought it was hilarious to see freighters explode. Outside the game torturing a human being just for the lulz. Sick. |

Druthlen
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Posted - 2014.03.26 22:27:00 -
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tiberiusric wrote:I have been playing this game for many many years now, and have never really been comfortable with the whole scamming thing. I think it spoils the game and actually drives people away. Scamming as become so prevalent in Eve its over taken the good aspects of it. Look at jita every single post in chat is a scam.
I dont like the fact that goonswarm do this constantly to a point its part of their culture, and sometimes the way they do it is a little creepy and weird and wrong.
But this is a whole new level, and its just not about a scam, its cyber bullying, torture at is very worse. I am sure this is certainly not the first case of this and its happening to others by other eve players.
You can hear from the start where this was going, and Erotica1 sounds really creepy tbh. They carried on for 2 hours, even when they knew the guy was getting upset, this is when you stop. Actually it should of never started.
This is for me the real darkside of eve, and where scamming takes it past gameplay. I have never played or seen a game that allows this to happen, or even breeds that type of person. The very idea of scamming has created these people, and CCP certainly has to take brunt of the blame for this as they endorse this type of behavior, but its gone a a step too far. as stated I am sure there are many Erotica1s lurking about.
This is just not scamming, its parasidic and morally wrong. Personally i would of called the police and given them the recording as people are now getting prosecuted for this type of thing. What gets me most is that there have been a few cases on twitter etc where people have committed suicide because of people like this. What if this guy did?
CCP has a duty just like twitter and others to protect its users.
However being a veteran player of this game, even after the time an investment i have made, every moral fibre in me is twitching. I am now seriously thinking do i want to pay, play or be a part of this game, ccp and its community if this is something that is happening to people. I certainly do not want to be associated with an organisation or game that endorses such actions and game play anymore.
I totally agree. Its one thing to be a pixel villain. I enjoy it. Paying to support E1s emergent gameplay that I consider morally sick and wrong is another thing.
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Druthlen
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Posted - 2014.03.26 22:31:00 -
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Navi Annages wrote:Druthlen wrote:Ais Hellia wrote:Iudicium Vastus wrote: Leaving will be to turn your back on all that time and effort you've spent working for what you have.
Why would you work in a game in the first place? Instead of having fun which is itself a reward for time spent. In other words the outcome of your gaming activity is your satisfaction with the process or accomplishment not "space pixels" if you consider your time spent in EVE as "work" you are doing something wrong and it's not even a matter of different tastes or interests Talk about hypocrisy. Who are you to judge why or how someone plays inside the game. Outside the game we are now talking about morality. Some people cant recognize when they are outside the game. Ganking inside the game imo is really cool and I loved the New Order for it. I thought it was hilarious to see freighters explode. Outside the game torturing a human being just for the lulz. Sick. Sick? Maybe. Immoral? Maybe. Legal most likely because the adult named sohkar consented to everything.
What I consider the worst is that minors who are very influencable have been taken in by this cult. We have minors who dont have a solid right and wrong participating in this sick torture of another human being. They need to be exposed and parents notified so they can get help if they think this is normal or fun. |

Druthlen
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Posted - 2014.03.26 22:40:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:Upde wrote: that is not even in the same ballpark. Posting a kill mail publicly v posting a recording of someone going through a humiliation aren't even in the same town sport.
Still trying to grasp how volunteering to sing songs is humiliation. Posting kill mails is clearly meant to humiliate the victim, especially in a gank, and the perps don't even ask you if you're ok with them posting your loss.
Can you really be this ignorant of inside game and outside game? Or are you trolling? I cant tell. I wonder if you can even tell anymore? |
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Druthlen
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Posted - 2014.03.26 22:50:00 -
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Again Anonymity and privacy laws buddy. No laws broken then the Anonymity blanket is warm and soft. Good luck trying to get a foreign country to hand over any private data on players. Especially after the Snowden ordeal.
Now in a real sense maybe you have lost touch with truly how gutless, vulgar, and dark the world really is. Lucky for us the constitution allows people to be as conceited as they want. If you don't like it I urge you to take it up with your congressmen. Btw you'll just get some auto response email. Happens all the time. :D [/quote]
I wonder if your this smug in real life. Or is it that blanket of anonymity that makes you so superior?
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Druthlen
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Posted - 2014.03.27 12:02:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:
That's it, I'm calling your babysitter.
This with other childish rants I think proves you are a minor. |

Druthlen
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Posted - 2014.03.27 12:10:00 -
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Danalee wrote:Wulfy Johnson wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:
If he was 'subjected' to anything then he subjected himself. Y U NO UNDERSTAND CONCEPT OF CONSENT???
Do you, are there accually any legal evidence that the victim is in fact 27? or might he just as well be a minor lying? Bloody murder!? Who cares? How could anyone involved know for sure? How could anyone you shoot your lazors at ingame not be a little baby seal/puppy, YOU MEAN MEAN BULLY! No victims = no crimes. Deal with it. I'm gonna post this every time someone beats the poor dead horse; What happend;Ero: Give me your isk and I double it. Adult ATC: Here's all my isk Ero: haha, you need to come on teamspeak and win a bonus round where I invent the rules as we go Adult ATC: ok Ero: read this text please Adult ATC: Ok, N-BOMB, Gaybash, shout, scream, rant Ero: Sing songs Adult ATC: NO! N-BOMB, Gaybash, shout, scream, rant Adult ATC: I'l gonna kill you! Adult ATC: My wife will come and scream at you some more How it should have been;Ero: Give me your isk and I double it. Adult ATC: Here's all my isk Ero: haha, you need to come on teamspeak and win a bonus round where I invent the rules as we go Adult ATC: Wait what? Naaaah... You scammed me, well played. What normal people do:Ero: Give me your isk and I double it. Adult ATC: No way dude, I know it's just pixels but I want to buy space bling with them. D. 
So pls tell me how he can profit after he was given all isk? Or are you admitting it was all about out of game humiliation. Which is different then ingame blowing up ships. I don't think you'll understand until your shown out of game humiliation. Narcissist never understand until it happens to them and then its totally unfair. |

Druthlen
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Posted - 2014.03.27 12:12:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:PinkPanter wrote:
Maybe but it's within game rules and it stays in CCP controlled environment. That's what I am talking about yet you all defend somebody going RL and publicly with humiliation in mind.
**** man just send me Wester Union transfer. I'll ******* quadruple it.
In the 200 and whatever pages of this thread nobody can name what EULA and TOS rules E1 has broken. Everything that E1 did in that recording are things that have taken place for the last decade.
I agree cyberbullying has long been a problem and I guess we are tired of being silent about it. |

Druthlen
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Posted - 2014.03.27 12:16:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:PinkPanter wrote: if I read that they use this chat room in a way that can harm people
Many you should stop reading the words of an agitator ffs. You have to be a special kind of stupid to allow a stranger on the internet to have that kind of control over you.
You dont know what is going on in that persons life to make him vulnerable but someday it will happen to you or someone you love. Either way it doesnt change that it is sick to take advantage of the weaker among us and to delight in torturing the weaker of us. Just makes me nauseous. |

Druthlen
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Posted - 2014.03.27 12:25:00 -
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Giovanni erkelens2 wrote:all those conspiracy's and moralfags.
lets just say E1 had a chat with a friend of him who all did this as an act to get massive attention.
realy. this stuff is getting worse every post. proving your own rightness. by imagining.
my god people. get some damn brains. get a glass of water. and try to think just for one damn second.
oh. and stop proving your own goodness. prove who is inocent
How homophobic of you. Can we pls get a ban for homophobic behavior.
Please take 5 secs and realize we are angry about actions that happened outside game. Be as much a douche in game as you want but the second you made it personal you went to far. It had gone beyond what could be profited ingame. It was now about watching a human being emotionally break. Evil is like a cancer. It evolves. E1 isnt satisfied with being evil in game. He had to take in to the next level. He wanted to hear the anguish of his victims. Next he will want to see it. The bonus round will get progressively worse until its having humans hurt animals as he watches for his sick amusement. We are collectively done with this pile of filth. We don't want this evil in our community. We dont want to be a part of this. We dont want eve attached to this kind of behavior. Be a villain the AD says for eve. Yea a villain in game using in game mechanics. Not a RL villain hurting people outside of the game. Wrap your head around that. |

Druthlen
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Posted - 2014.03.27 14:39:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:There is no justification for wanting to see erotica1 hurt so that you can laugh at it.
Period.
This last part....LMAO So ironic since that is exactly what E1 does. Hurt people so he and his friends can lulz. |

Druthlen
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Posted - 2014.03.27 14:44:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Druthlen wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:There is no justification for wanting to see erotica1 hurt so that you can laugh at it.
Period.
This last part....LMAO So ironic since that is exactly what E1 does. Hurt people so he and his friends can lulz. Hurt feelings are not real harm.
Wow, emotional abuse is just as real and hurtful as physical abuse. You are delusional.
It went way past hurt feelings of lost pixels. It went well into emotional distress and abuse caused by E1. |

Druthlen
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Posted - 2014.03.27 14:45:00 -
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Kirsi Kirjasto wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Ssieth wrote:It's pretty pure and simple really. If this is the sort of behaviour that CCP are happy to be associated with EVE then they need do nothing but shrug and say "it's the nature of EVE, live with it".
If they don't want this sort of behaviour to be associated with EVE then they need to take a strong stance (altering EULA if required).
Sittining in the middle doing nothing looks a bit weak no matter what they think. If you're talking about the carebears hauling pitchforks up to Ero's doorstep, then yes, CCP needs to start cleaning up this thread. Better yet, lock it and be done with it. Because no behaviour has been worse than that on display in this thread by the carebears with the pitchforks wishing for harmful things to befall Ero IRL. Not even Sokhar's. Really. It shows how completely worthless the forum moderation is around here. Broken rules generally get threads locked, usually on the flimsiest of pretenses. IE: A thread gets trolled by asshats. If CCP just 'doesn't like' the subject because it puts them in a bad light - BAM - thread locked for trolling. On the other hand, of the mods LIKE the topic - "Hey, lets allow 260 pages of hate slamming Erotica 1 as a pretense for nerfing his playstyle!" - Well, then rules don't matter and the ISD's are directed to go on vacation. Trolling, hate, personal attacks, this thread has it all. But guess what, its still chugging along. CCP Falcon and the forum mods have really shamed themselves here and deserve any lack of respect hey have earned.
Torturing a person in TS is not a playstyle. Its just sick. |

Druthlen
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Posted - 2014.03.27 14:53:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Druthlen wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Druthlen wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:There is no justification for wanting to see erotica1 hurt so that you can laugh at it.
Period.
This last part....LMAO So ironic since that is exactly what E1 does. Hurt people so he and his friends can lulz. Hurt feelings are not real harm. Wow, emotional abuse is just as real and hurtful as physical abuse. You are delusional. It went way past hurt feelings of lost pixels. It went well into emotional distress and abuse caused by E1. What part? The reading the Wikipedia entries, or the Disney song? I know some Disney songs are pretty bad, but I hardly think they count as "emotional abuse". Or are you talking about being laughed at? Because in that case, I'm emotionally abusing you right now. Did nobody ever teach any of you sorry ***** the "Stick and Stones" rhyme?
You are obviously part of this scheme and want it to continue. No human is that ignorant. Barney songs have been used to torture individuals. The person couldn't leave or was drawn back by wanting the return of the hostage(his pixels). Which had obviously alot of intrinsic value. I understand because my pixels have value to me. What I value more is human beings. Obviously something you care nothing for since feelings have no value to you and all we are is a collection of thoughts and feelings. |
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Druthlen
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Posted - 2014.03.27 14:54:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Druthlen wrote:
Torturing a person in TS is not a playstyle. Its just sick.
Tell me.... Have you ever been tortured? Do you understand what torture is? People don't normally submit to it willingly like Sokhar did. If anything, the fact that he consented to everything indicates he was enjoying himself.
It wasn't willing. E1 had a hostage(the pixels) which Sokhar felt he could save. Was Sokhar irresponsible with the pixels yes but he still cared for them. |

Druthlen
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Posted - 2014.03.27 15:00:00 -
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Tor Norman wrote:Kaius Fero wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:...
A cop can put a gun to your head, sure.
Ero didn't put a gun to Sokhar's head, doesn't wear a badge and doesn't carry state-sanctioned authority that Sokhar was bound to obey. A drug dealer will also not draw a gun in order to force you to buy his ****. So space money is narcotics, now?
Lets be honest we pay real money to get access to this space money. It has value. |

Druthlen
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Posted - 2014.03.27 15:01:00 -
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H aVo K wrote:Talon SilverHawk wrote: Its not about Eve its about being a decent human being.
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=18375933What did that poor Caracal pilot do to deserve being ganged up on and killed by you and your friends? How could a decent person kill another just because they had wandered into "the wrong" space?
Oh we have someone that is using ingame villainy to try to justify out of game villainy. So because someone did it in a game should E1 be allowed to hurt others in rl? Please do tell. |

Druthlen
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Posted - 2014.03.27 15:03:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Druthlen wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Druthlen wrote:
Torturing a person in TS is not a playstyle. Its just sick.
Tell me.... Have you ever been tortured? Do you understand what torture is? People don't normally submit to it willingly like Sokhar did. If anything, the fact that he consented to everything indicates he was enjoying himself. It wasn't willing. E1 had a hostage(the pixels) which Sokhar felt he could save. Was Sokhar irresponsible with the pixels yes but he still cared for them. In order for Ero to have them, what does Sokhar need to do? Huh? Think about it a moment. That's right, HE HAS TO HAND THEM OVER WILLINGLY YOU DUMB CHUMP.
Just because he is of questionable intelligence doesnt mean he deserved to be tortured. He still thought he could recover the pixels and thought he could even multiply them. that is why he was in the TS3 and that is why he stayed. Out of game. OUT OF GAME. What do you not understand about that?? |

Druthlen
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Posted - 2014.03.27 15:31:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote: LOL, I got this vision of you typing furiously at the keyboard in fine 'that'll show him" fashion.
Its almost as if he cares about the community. You should take notes. |

Druthlen
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Posted - 2014.03.27 15:45:00 -
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Asuka Langley S wrote:Druthlen wrote:Tor Norman wrote:Kaius Fero wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:...
A cop can put a gun to your head, sure.
Ero didn't put a gun to Sokhar's head, doesn't wear a badge and doesn't carry state-sanctioned authority that Sokhar was bound to obey. A drug dealer will also not draw a gun in order to force you to buy his ****. So space money is narcotics, now? Lets be honest we pay real money to get access to this space money. It has value. Actually we pay money for access to the game. ISK is worthless.
Then please send all your isk to me sense it is worthless......Oh you wont because it holds some value to you. |

Druthlen
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Posted - 2014.03.27 20:06:00 -
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Anne Dieu-le-veut wrote:I would imagine most if not every trade hub scammer, AWOXer, pirate, and "dark side" type that plays this game enjoys inflicting loss on their victim. One of the reasons I hear the most for people liking full loot PvP games like this is because of "meaningful loss", whether it is a 1M ISK frigate or a multi-billion ISK mission runner or capitol ship. What is the point of podding people after you've already destroyed their ship? You have nothing to gain from it (it's not like you can loot their implants), other than a KM and a chance of some more tears. Are we going to start banning anyone that professes to "tear collecting"?
I feel sorry for people that cant distinguish inside game and OUT OF GAME. |
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