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IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2014.03.26 23:30:00 -
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olan2005 wrote:im off the bed
To put this in summary points
1.The VICTIM Is at fault for falling for the scam
2. The SCAMMER took it too far, with this bonus room shenanigans.
3. There will be no criminal investigation ( just wont happen)
4 . CCP should intervene , and clarify rules with regards to scamming and greifing that is related to in-game content ( e.g assets ) using out of game mechanism like Teamspeak
5. The fact that after the narcissistic player continued after receiving all possible assets simply for TEAR EXTRACTION , means in m OPINION he took it to far and should be punished.
6. SCAMMING IS LEGAL AND SHOULD STAY THAT WAY
7 . This kind of brutal humiliation of people and psychological bullying through ransom of assets , needs to be stated by CCP to be illegal when using out of game mechanisms. BASICALLY MAKE IT ILLEGAL TO INVITE PEOPLE TO TEAMSPEAK SO FORTH WHEN YOUR SCAMMING THEM . This keeps everything within the EULA by keeping it in-game. As such it can be handled by CCP within the EULA framework
8. CCP should only intervene when there is clear intent to cause psychological harm , to a player not when discord arises as a result of personal disputes relating to everyday in game events. Think B-R local was full of insults put it was not directed at any one person and was both in and out of game .
Okay so if you can't use Teamspeak or Ventrilo to scam or grief that would ban pretty much all corp and alliance spying and griefing. Most corps and alliances require you to get on Teamspeak now... Making it where you use it as part of your scam or griefing bannable is just a terrible idea.
Bottom line is griefing and scamming is legal with the exception of noobs in the noob systems. Obviously he wasn't a noob since he had assets worth scamming out of.
If anything they should make it very clear when you start the game about scams and griefing in the tutorials... Wait most of the people that fall for scams do so based on the greed of instant gratification... These people would be too lazy to complete the tutorials...
I didn't listen to the entire thing because it's just to boring. If he told the guy to "go kill yourself" or any crap like that he should be banned for life. If he humiliated him based on part of his real life he should be punished. For example if he made fun of him because of him being gay in RL. Thats taking it beyond the game.
You should be able to do all the griefing you want long as it's in game content. This means if he convinced the guy to send him $300 in the mail he should be banned. If he told him to hang himself he should be banned. If he convinced him to hand over or destroy all his in game ISK and assets oh well that's Eve. |
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.03.26 23:42:00 -
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olan2005 wrote:To deal with the Scammers and griefers i believe a policy of only allowing the use in-game tools and a stronger EULA and TOS is necessary .
So just eliminate corp and alliance griefing and spying? Most require you to join TS. If you made scamming or griefing in Teamspeak ALL would require it. So if you scammed or griefed their alliance/corp you would be banned for TOS violation.
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IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
735
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Posted - 2014.03.26 23:51:00 -
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Victor Markov wrote:I see a lot of people using law and rules as a shield as if this was some kind of government. There are no laws saying what he did was wrong and so he can't be punished sort of thing. Fallowed by arguments saying if you punish him you change the laws and people will exploit those laws.
Eve is not a government it is more like a home or a store. If I don't like your attitude I will ask you to get out of my home. Stores kick people out for being rude all the time and they don't even have to break any rules to be kicked out.
One of the CSM's asked what stops them from banning homosexuals or homophobics. The answer to that is nothing... nothing stops them now however.
If this was my game/house I would ban the lot of them even the victim at least temporarily. It might not be breaking the rules but you don't get to come in to my house and **** up the place and I just so happen to have the right to refuse service to anyone for anything... that part is even in the rules.
Umm wait are you comparing in game behavior to RL??? I would be in prison for murder if RL laws applied to Eve.
Bottom line is if he scammed him out of in game assets and didn't attack his RL person there's nothing wrong. |
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
736
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Posted - 2014.03.26 23:57:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:
He decided to stay and try to get his 'stuff back and when that failed he THREATEN THE LIFE of anohter human being, racially absued someone who identified himself as being of African descent and went crazy.
In other words, the reaction was worse than the cause, and the reaction removed from sensible people any sense of sympathy we would have had for the 'victim'.
Yeah, whatever. By your own reasoning it doesn't count because it was made outside the game and thus breaks no rules. What's good for the goose...and all that stuff. Mr Epeen  I'll ask you the same thing I asked the other guy who said that: Are you sure you are replying to the right person? I haven't made much of an issue about it being in game vs out. I do't really care about that. I care that people think a scammer scamming (even using ts) for isk and tears is somehow the devil yet the person who actually threaten the life of others and proved to be both racist and homophobic is ok because he was somehow "under duress".
If one of them made RL threats, racist/ or homophobic comments CCP should take action. I think that's just inexcusable. It doesn't matter if it's in local chat or on Teamspeak. I'm all for the in game content for example you should be allowed to kill in game... NOT in RL... If someone can't separate the two perhaps they shouldn't play Eve or any other MMO where they could harm other people in RL |
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
736
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Posted - 2014.03.27 00:02:00 -
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Jill Chastot wrote:
Last i checked it's not illegal to be rascist or homophobic, just socially unacceptable,
Oh wait thats what this entire thread is about....
Cultural and social acceptabilities in an online game...
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/enlightenment
Not illegal... Just against the EULA... It won't get you jail... Just banned. |
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.03.27 00:06:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:dexington wrote:Jenn aSide wrote: He could also be angry at E1, but most of his anger should have been at himself for being dumb. Great logic... you should join the bonus round table of interviewers, i can easily pictures you sitting there telling a person who has just been scammed out of everything and ridiculed for hours, that he should be angry at himself for being a dumb ****... I absolutly will. Because that's what's wonrg with people, they always want to blame others for their failures. The problem with blaming others is that you never learn to stop doing the dumb crap you were doing. After 40 years on this earth, I know what I'm talking about. I used to blame my Ex's for their infidelities and ruining our marriages. Then I realized that the common denominator was me. I fixed the problem by, rather than being a victim, simply refraining from marrying whores, which is why I and wife #3 just celebrated anniversery #8 where as the 1st 2 (note, also don't get married twice before you turn 22) lasted 10 months TOTAL.
You know what they say. You can't turn them into housewives!  |
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.03.27 12:45:00 -
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It always amazes me to see "sensitive" people coming out of the woodwork when you get a post like this. Come on guys this is a game that encourages stealing and destroying other players stuff. It even rewards people that kill other players. All of this costs a lot of in game currency to recover. Welcome to Eve!
If the attack was in game such as kept to the topic of in game items I don't see the problem. Should I file a complaint against the player that tricked me to warp to him then killed me? I was two months old and didn't know better. Or how about the jerks that blew up my faction/ deadspace fitted Nightmare?? My feelings were definitely hurt! |
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
743
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Posted - 2014.03.28 01:24:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:KnowUsByTheDead wrote:Out of curiousity, if we added a disclaimer that said: *If you are unable to control your ****, and act like a sane, composed human being, you must disclose such and forfeit your isk that led to your Bonus Round victory. Have a nice day!!! Would this work?  A good point was raised earlier. Nothing stopped you from leaving the comm. Hows that for a disclaimer.
It wasn't his fault. He was forced to fall for this scam and stay on coms. |
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