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Icylce
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Posted - 2014.03.26 11:20:00 -
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Big Lynx wrote:Erotica 1 wrote:Big Lynx wrote:Erotica 1 wrote:I certainly do hope many of my critics here take the time to read www.minerbumping.com because you will find thousands of examples of utter filth spewed by highsec miners. I assure you, we are the good guys. Take a look. Fourth attempt: Ok mate. Let's talk like adults. Concerning self-reflection, do you think you and your friends have gone too far? read back a few pages. I have read every single post here. Please show me some respect and do the same. A simple YES or NO would be nice. U will never get such an answer. Because when aswer is simple, u cant hide behind elaborate and long walls of texts and spin your story when its convenient. |

Icylce
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Posted - 2014.03.26 12:07:00 -
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So from what Ive gathered so far from this topic
Considering Erotica1:
1.Erotica1 knows that there is high chance that he will get insulted by eveplayer if he does something considered "evil"(link to minerbumping + empyric experiece from various scams).
2. Erotica1 scams person, then puts him into bonus round.
3. Erotica1 puts the player in bonus round in helpless state (takes all assets) and aplies psychical pressure.
4. Erotica1 is surprised when said person breaks and insults him.
Conclusion:
Its up to u to make. |

Icylce
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Posted - 2014.03.26 12:38:00 -
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Clara Pond wrote: 1. Ero engineers a game with complex rules that is designed to be hard but not impossible to win
2. Person qualifies for a bonus round (higher stakes, harder version of game) for any of a number of reasons including 100th client 3. Ero plays the game with the client in some cases for six hours after he has all their assets, thus debunking any possibility it is a scam 4. Ero is completely unsurprised when a majority can't complete the deliberately complex game, and uses their losses to pay out the small number of winners as well as making a profit, the majority of which is donated to the New Order 5. Blogger throws a losing client under his publicity bus to wage a hilariously melodramatic and over-reached vendetta against gameplay he personally considers distasteful, alongside the many other gameplay elements he considers distasteful.
Yes it is a game, to Erotica1 anyways. Because Erotica and his friends claim there have been winners does not mean there were any winners.
Even if we assume u can win the game, the way it is constructed is worrying to say at least. Erotica basically pays for the right to harras a person and trample his dignity as human beeing and then on top of it makes this humilation public.
Just because some blogger has agenda with Erotica and makes this more known than it was, does not make Eroticas behaviour right. |

Icylce
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Posted - 2014.03.26 14:20:00 -
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Clara Pond wrote:
Quite right, you have no idea of these things in an MMO. They are a capsuleer name, an alliance ticker, a shiptype. They are a mark, a target. The person you undercut with your market trade may have been on their last ISK and suffering manic depression. Who knows what your callous undercut could trigger? You argue that people are responsible for the jilted lover screaming "if you don't take me back I'll kill myself". People are not responsible for the reactions of others.
-¿ Wrong. Parents are responsible for reactions and actions of their kids. In your example, the ex-lover may be held responsible for not trying to prevent suicide had he known the other person is mentally unstable. Your generalisation is missleading. |

Icylce
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Posted - 2014.03.26 15:14:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Just out of curiosity, do you think that 3rd parties have a right to record your telephone conversations without your consent? TS isn't a private phone line.  Its not the line thats private it is the conversation. |

Icylce
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Posted - 2014.03.26 15:19:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Would that 3rd party not vphave to confirm consent from you and the pereon you are calling in order to do so? Firstly consent was given as far as I can tell, secondly you're blindly ignoring that in real life there are 3rd parties who can, and often do record private phone calls without either parties consent; you may even have heard of these 3rd parties, or voted for them, they're called U.S. government.
Fixed it for u.
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Icylce
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Posted - 2014.03.26 18:23:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote: Then perhaps you should not have that private conversation on an app that has a built in record function SPECIFICALLY so that those conversations can be recorded and shared.
Obtuse arguments like this only seve to invalidate any point you folks are trying to make.
Right, because if medium u use to have private conversation on, has build in record function u give consent to third party to record your private. Your interpretation of privacy protection is rather amusing. |

Icylce
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Posted - 2014.03.26 20:16:00 -
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So Ive listened to the recording. Its obvious what Erotica and his croonies do. Its disqusting, he is deliberately provoking him when he knows he is angry and humilates him. I dont think this warrants a ban for them nor do Sokhars threats deserve jailsentence.
Eroticas problem will solve itself alone anyways, when he bonus rooms someone who has the resources to find him and confront him IRL (not that I aprove of this type of behaviour) unlike Sokhar who just spews empty threats. |

Icylce
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Posted - 2014.03.27 07:03:00 -
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Hello Monument Visitor wrote:I just want to summarize a bit for my own sake and maybe others. There really are a lot of posts about this now! Please indicate where I may have gone wrong...
- E1 baits gullible and / or vulnerable people in EvE with a scam.
- Once a potential victim is found and has shown sufficient vulnerability, they are invited to continue out of game on TS (the bonus room).
- The scam continues for a few minutes on TS until the victim has been scammed out of all in-game assets.
- E1 then ransoms the victim's assets through a series of humiliating & escalating non-game related actions & tasks, picking up on any possible weaknesses the victim may have (speech impediment for example).
- E1 continues this process for as long as it takes for the victim to display alarming levels of psychological torment & distress and snap into outrage.
- The whole process is recorded and sometimes made public.
What I gather from reading many (but not all) comments is that the player base in general are OK with 1 & 2 as it's all a part of the game we play. Most are still OK with 3 but some don't like taking it out of game (mainly due to subsequent steps I think, might be wrong here though). 4 is beginning to push certain limits that people have, mainly based around extending an EvE scam into real world actions. 5 is seen as thoroughly reprehensible. 6 isn't mentioned too much - some see it as pawn for E1's pleasure, some as further psychological torment of the victim. That's my rough summary of the most common views from the players. A minority try to validate E1's actions with things like "the victim should be banned for making threats", "HTFU, it's EvE", "he deserved it", "It's not illegal or in contravention of the EULA" (that's possibly the most common one) and possibly the most outstandingly appalling one is "E1 only did it to this extent once, other times weren't as bad so it's an outlier and is therefore OK". For what it's worth, I'd say the majority of the EvE player base are morally sound people. The poor reputation that EvE's player base has is undeserved and is based on a very small minority. Reading this thread is evidence of this.
6. IS illegal if u dont have consent of person u record.
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Icylce
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Posted - 2014.03.27 07:23:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote: In real life, people choose to go to casinos, even though it is well established that mathematically, the house always wins. It is a loosing game, but greed or other motivations lead them to choose to play.
So too here. Every step of the way, the "victim" had a choice. He chose to get his isk doubled, though he suspected a scam. He chose to enter the bonus room. He chose to read the articles provided to him. He chose to sing. He chose to leave. He chose to return. He chose to threaten. He chose to leave again. He chose to return again.
You can disagree with his choices, but they were his to make every step of the way. At every step he could stop. And he did, not once, not twice, but thrice.
You can say that E1 manipulated him into staying and returning, but that disenfranchises the victim in our analysis. It removes his agency as an actor. You turn him from being a human being to being merely cattle, and I do not believe that is the case here. My opinion of the victim is not so low.
Yes, lets not analyze events in all their complexity but pick isolated parts to make our judgement.
"Ad absurdum" By your logic someone who kills other person will alway be charged for murder and circumstances of the case will be ignored because even if he had to choose between death of his family and death of unknown person, the responsibility for the choice is solely his . The ppl who made him choose dont have anything to do with it.
Ofc it is obvious the victim did wrong too with his unnecerilly expresive language at the end, but bear in mind, he eventually apologizes. Erotica and his croonies just make excuses and shift blame.
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Icylce
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Posted - 2014.03.27 07:26:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote: Cite the precise rule E1 broke and reread my last, bolded paragraph regarding coercion and manipulation. Please. I didn't ignore it, I attacked it head on. You chose not to read it.
Naive. Sometimes human beeings are turned into puppets. Your seeing things too idealistically. |
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