The stupidity of some people... I'ts almost enough to inspire sympathy. Almost.

But yeah I agree, seize Erotica1's assets and ban the accounts, just to hear HIM rage and cry.
Hell, I'd pay money for such a delicious recording.
Also, Erotica1 sounds bent.

The abuse, death threats, wishes of disease in real life and racism of no one should be tolerated.

They occur on a daily basis in local chat, private conversations and evemails.

Priceless! A ban zealot is on top with 163 posts (6%) on an issue that has absolutely nothing to do with him.

So you think it was right to call out Sokhur for his reaction (because that's what my response related to)?

Sorry, but I don't see how what he did was any different to what happens on a daily basis and none of it really belongs in interaction between adults in a game.

Exactly as I expected.

The clear reason being that you never actually linked any criminal codes as you claimed. If you did, they would be there and they aren't that I have been able to find.

That whole aspect of this thread based around certainty that a judge and jury would rule against Eortica 1 was based on complete fantasy it seems.

There was never any actual legal basis for making those claims and your claim that you linked the criminal codes was false.

The majority of eve players have hardly even heard of the forums let along this latest Erotica thing. They just don't care because its just not all that important.

When did the world decide to create pansies out of everyone?

With this new term 'cyber bullying' being thrown around, I really am shaking my head here. When I was young(tm), people dealt with 'bullies' as a normal part of coming of age, on their own. People dealt with all life challenges in fact, without having to codify it with a marketing term to convert individual fail into victimization...

You want to know why some young people are killing themselves due to 'bullying'?

It's because they were fricken bubble wrapped since birth and grew up without having to develop any adversity management skills, so when the first 'big' challenge did come their way their brains exploded. ****, Johnny didn't invite me to the dance, I will slit my wrists in the tub...

Now I am not talking about putting all kids in the Agoge of Sparta, but what I am asking is aren't these well-intentioned idiots who coin pansification terms like 'cyber bullying' just making more life-neutered pussies?

tldr;
HTFU

Quite right, you have no idea of these things in an MMO. They are a capsuleer name, an alliance ticker, a shiptype. They are a mark, a target. The person you undercut with your market trade may have been on their last ISK and suffering manic depression. Who knows what your callous undercut could trigger? You argue that people are responsible for the jilted lover screaming "if you don't take me back I'll kill myself". People are not responsible for the reactions of others.

If you want to argue for compassion, I'm right behind you. But that is a different thing. Some people just don't have the intellectual or emotional maturity to interact with other humans in a competitive environment and the rest of us are not responsible for their reactions.

Look at the login screen: Online Interactions Not Rated By The ESRB.

absolutely not

But lets be serious here. EVE isn't exactly WoW when it comes to the learning curve of the game. I really think that someone who was impaired enough to not have any idea what is going on around him would have an extremely hard time picking this game up, and would likely leave it out of frustration. Also he claims to be an air traffic controller... Not a job you get if your mentally deficient.

Lets face it, he got greedy, gambled and lost. That simple.

Does that make it right for erotica to treat a person in this matter regardless of circumstance? Absolutely not!!! Just dont expect anything to happen as this happened a while ago and was known to both CCP and the community long before this blog post or this thread.

Yes, I'm apparently one of the few who has. And you are cherry picking mock-outraged soundbites in order to excuse yourself from understanding analogy.

Some of you should realize how close you are to a forum ban and stop name calling (retards, moralfags, etc.) Aside from being childish it diminishes the impact of your opinion.

Are you trolling or actually this stupid? Genuine question.

I would like to point out that it does not matter whether E1 broke the EULA or not.

The point being made by people in this thread is that we do not want to be associated with such a morally wrong and disgraceful example of a human being.

We would like to play Eve.

We would like to think that when such a disgraceful representative of our game boasts publicly about being the scum of the planet, that appropriate repercussions are handed out to state "this is not right, this will not be accepted by anyone and under no circumstances should anyone believe it a good idea to replicate this persons actions "

"CCP, you should ban this person because I do not like them despite the fact that they have done nothing against the rules"

So you are literally saying "CCP should ban anyone I don't like".

You realise that ends with everyone banned right?

You just managed to miss the sole purpose of all explicitly stated rules everywhere in all of the past, present and future.

Kudos.

That is literally how a game works.

Then lets play the recording over speakers at the next Fanfest at the unveiling of the Monument, as a shining testament to that.

It is, afterall, what is advertised, as you say.

"I would like to think that when a person I don't like boasts publicly about being a person I don't like, that appropriate repercussions are handed out to state "I don't like this, this will not be accepted by me and under no circumstances should anyone believe it a good idea to replicate this persons actions "

'We' turns into 'I' since he can only speak for himself. Judgements about E1's status as the 'scum of the planet' are personal opinion and thus can be generalised as above. The result it literally "CCP should ban anyone I don't like".

No, it's not that vague. It's quite specific, actually.

Tell me, you go from telling us that the rules should take second seat to our better judgement to implying that the rules need to be more specific.

How did you even learn to work your keyboard?

It's not a matter of whether Erotica 1's actions are right or wrong. It's a matter of how "ban people I don't like" can be turned against anyone, including you. Unless someone can present an argument that defines a legitimate reason to ban Erotica 1 that doesn't also adversely affect other players, nothing can be done about it.

Hope for tyranny and injustice. Because that's what you people are asking for.

The existence of the witch hunt crowd should scare everyone here. Look at all these people willing to totally ignore rules, laws, important values of fairness and due process ect ect just to get at someone they don't like.

We've literally fought terrible wars against people who thought like this. Documents like the Magna Carta and the U.S. Constitution exist to stamp out arbitrary use of power (such as 'I don't like you, so now you get to go away').

But there are still plenty of people who think these vile ideas are valid when in fact it's these vile ideas are the true evil and people like E1 are just the side affect and consequence of our freedoms.

If you don't have an actual response I can't really follow up, so I guess we're done.

Not wrong.

What? It works for you to just state 'wrong' without clarifying. I can play 5th grade "you're wrong and I'm right" as well as the next person.

Here's a real challenge for you though.

You say I'm wrong.

Prove it.

For the record, my arguments have been presented both with and without observations made of the person arguing with me. Or, what you call 'insults'. You can ignore the arguments and focus on your hurt feelings all you like, but that would be...


wait for it....


a logical fallacy.

You love pointing out logical fallacies, don't you.

glorifying bullying others isn't against the rules though.

"I don't like people glorifying bullying"
"Ban players whose only purpose is to glorify bullying others"

ergo

"Ban players that I don't like"

To say otherwise would be to infer that you like people who glorify bullying.

No, this is ABSOLUTELY about him personally and has been since before this thread existed. People here weren't born yesterday. If this wasn't just about Ero, and about 'activities', then Sokhar would be copping it as well.

You have lied, demonstrably and repeatedly, throughout this thread. I've said it before and I'll say it again - I definitely believe you when you claim to be a lawyer. But you're not a very good one.

You took the words right out of my mouth. That must be why you're impossible to reason with and why he's done with you.

Ok, lets go there.

What is your problem with "internet bullies"? Which btw is a stupid term as I don't see how you bully someone over something you can turn off at will.

but anyways, please tell us how internet bullies are the scourge of the universe, then tell us where they touched you,

People verbally harassing you IRL can follow you.

Irony is badly spent on you. Noted.

I'm gonna post this every time someone beats the poor dead horse;

What happend;
Ero: Give me your isk and I double it.
Adult ATC: Here's all my isk
Ero: haha, you need to come on teamspeak and win a bonus round where I invent the rules as we go
Adult ATC: ok
Ero: read this text please
Adult ATC: Ok, N-BOMB, Gaybash, shout, scream, rant
Ero: Sing songs
Adult ATC: NO! N-BOMB, Gaybash, shout, scream, rant
Adult ATC: I'l gonna kill you!
Adult ATC: My wife will come and scream at you some more

How it should have been;
Ero: Give me your isk and I double it.
Adult ATC: Here's all my isk
Ero: haha, you need to come on teamspeak and win a bonus round where I invent the rules as we go
Adult ATC: Wait what? Naaaah... You scammed me, well played.

What normal people do:
Ero: Give me your isk and I double it.
Adult ATC: No way dude, I know it's just pixels but I want to buy space bling with them.

D.

Your style of throwing out snarky comments instead of presenting arguments in a coherent manner must win you a lot of debates.

Carry on.

At least I'm providing content, facts and things everyone should know already.
Whereas you and yours are just out for a good hanging facts and consequences be damned.

Mature indeed.

D.

No, that's you, you are defending shokar the racist bigot just because you dislike erotica1.

D;

Don't assume I know what AMTRAK is. Check your privilege americentric scum.

For a second I thought you were LordofDespair and was about to congratulate you on being able to post something beyond a snarky one-liner which doesn't address or counter-argue any points. But I digress.

That's the thing though. You claim that the rules are 'unclear' etc. However, your opening, and subsequent posts, have also stated the desire for Erotica 1 to be perma-banned because his behaviour was distasteful to you.

If the call was for him to be banned because he might 'possibly' have broken the rules, then I would agree with you to an extent. However, using the nature of the activities someone performs as grounds to ban someone comes very close to "CCP should ban that person because I don't like him/don't like what he does".

It's not the topic, more the approach.

What **** analogy? Clearly you missed the point of the quote so, let me spell it out for you.

Social injustice is EVERYONE'S problem, and witch hunting is a social injustice, with the Socialists, Trade Unions and Jews as the witches. You think only ***** hate on Jews? Have you been to Infowars lately?

I would not be surprised, actually, if it was your go-to 'news' service.

All isk, assets, and skillpoints will be freely given up as the bonus round continues. I will read speeches, sing songs, and do other silly things.

EVE is just a game and we should all be able to win and lose stuff without attaching too much seriousness.

Thanks to CCP for an awesome sandbox. When I have a bit more time, I'll write a short 10 or so page response on this matter.

Nope. Still the same one liner. Try again.

Try again. Dismissing arguments with one liners is pretty weak. I'm sorry if I was brought up to have the decency of reading and responding to the opinions of other people by at least providing coherent points. It's not my fault the way you turned out.

Or as you would put it:
You're stupid and wrong lol

Strawman...

You keep using this word as if you think you know what it means.

Could you tell us please? And also, provide an example. Thanks. Just so that we know how we should be arguing with you from now on.

Since this incident I have been able to use it to start a conversation with multiple people about EVE, then used that to get 2 people to start a trial and another to return to the game.

If used right there is no such thing as bad publicity.

There isn't one. Hence why calls to have Erotica 1 banned are unjustified.

You have to look at things from both ends really. Yes, Erotica 1 and the others running his Bonus Room sadistically humiliate people as much as possible. However, choosing to participate in the bonus room is entirely the player's choice, and they can stop playing whenever they decide enough is enough.

There is a lot of pressure on the victims yes, however like Erotica 1 and his group always say it's just a game. You gave Erotica 1 a huge sum of cash and now he wants you to play a bonus round to get it back? GG well played. Bonus round participants are only those who are so greedy they are willing to make an absolute ass of themselves in a vain attempt at making money. There is as much blame on the participants as there is on Erotica 1.

Another thing, if you took advantage of Erotica 1 playing bonus round to take a look at his wallet journal I did, you'll clearly see that the only people who win the bonus rounds or get sums of 500m + Isk doubled are other ISK doublers and CODE members. The bonus rounds are a total fraud and now we have more than hearsay to prove it. If you are greedy enough to degrade yourself like that, you deserve to lose everything you put in.

Finally, Erotica 1 and his colleagues are sadistic asshats who go out of their way to make things as grueling and embarrassing as possible. They are the same kind of people who force college kids to drink themselves to death as part of an initiation. They are the same people who will goad someone to kill themselves because they think they won't have the balls to do it. They are the same people who will pretend they love someone to get money or sex.

Yes, they're only doing it in EVE, but it's the same type of personality. Manipulative, ambitious, and willing to step on others to get what they want (often entertainment). It's only a matter of time before they push someone too far and something very real and very bad happens as a result. Be it a suicide, killing, or something else that will stop the gaming community from associating EVE with "An MMORPG with spaceships where anything can happen. to "A cestpool of people who want to treat you like ****."

Keep posting this type of stuff, I implore you. It really is making ero's case look better and better.
Yes, yes, asking someone to sing = the systematic and deliberate infliction of acute pain by one person on another.

What happend;
Ero: Give me your isk and I double it.
Adult ATC: Here's all my isk
Ero: haha, you need to come on teamspeak and win a bonus round where I invent the rules as we go
Adult ATC: ok
Ero: read this text please
Adult ATC: Ok, N-BOMB, Gaybash, shout, scream, rant
Ero: Sing songs
Adult ATC: NO! N-BOMB, Gaybash, shout, scream, rant
Adult ATC: I'l gonna kill you!
Adult ATC: My wife will come and scream at you some more

How it should have been;
Ero: Give me your isk and I double it.
Adult ATC: Here's all my isk
Ero: haha, you need to come on teamspeak and win a bonus round where I invent the rules as we go
Adult ATC: Wait what? Naaaah... You scammed me, well played.

What normal people do:
Ero: Give me your isk and I double it.
Adult ATC: No way dude, I know it's just pixels but I want to buy space bling with them.

D.

Others bring up a valid point.

EVE Online is rated TEEN - violence.

CCP simply cant afford to allow a gang of online predators to operate their pseudo-**** ring in this game, as they would be liable when a recording of a mental **** and abuse of a 12-year old kid will come out. Not a matter of if, but when.

Bottom line:

BAN THEM ALL.

The game rating is irrelvent. If you are a child or incompetent you shouldn't be playing it.

E1 didn't make him or anyone else do anything. They do so because they are greedy and/or stupid/incompetent. And that's on them.

+1 real mature stuff here.

Many proofs presented.

NOT.

You are inventing stuff as we go, are you?

D.

It becomes a violation if you use this platform to lure people out of it using predatory / extortion / false promise techniques.

I have just realised where I have seen your name before.

http://i.imgur.com/sX0vX3z.gif


Wow dude, just wow

wot can I say, I got mah crazy stalkers! Even more amusing, he's Evemailed the CSM and MAJOR GAMING NOOZ WEBSITES over it.

It makes me feel wanted.

"scumbag behavior" is one thing, "torture" is another

http://massively.joystiq.com/2014/03/25/heres-some-of-the-cyberbullying-that-happens-in-eve-online/

It's happening.

Those people say the same thing about every scam they see. Also most ganks. And all the fights. Plus that time we deadzoned that station. Also anything goons do.

In short these people will never play a game like EVE anyway.

Of course nether text nor images were used in this case. It was only voice communication.

However cute your post is, that really isn't the whole definition now is it?

yeah I'm sure that a former POW who was subjected to actual torture will most deffo sympathize with this guy